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If Trump Stopped Lying, Would His Followers Worry That There Was Something Wrong With Him?

  

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By:  john-russell  •  6 years ago  •  26 comments

If Trump Stopped Lying, Would His Followers Worry That There Was Something Wrong With Him?
Trump thought he would pander to the voters in Grand Rapids, and made the statement that he was going to give approval to a program that is doing environmental projects on the Great Lakes. 

A couple nights ago Trump held a rally in Grand Rapids Michigan , which is a mid sized city in west central Michigan. There are roughly one million people in the Grand Rapids metropolitan area. 

Michigan is pretty much surrounded by large bodies of water, except at the very bottom of the state where it borders with Indiana and Ohio. I haven't measured it, but just looking at the map I can see that Michigan probably has more shoreline than any state of the Union not named California or Florida. 

So Trump thought he would pander to the voters in Grand Rapids, and made the statement that he was going to give approval to a program that is doing environmental projects on the Great Lakes. 


I support the Great Lakes. Always have. They’re beautiful. They’re big. Very deep. Record deepness, right? And I’m going to get, in honor of my friends, full funding of $300 million for the Great Lakes Restoration Initiative, which you’ve been trying to get for over 30 years. So we’ll get it done. It’s time. It’s time. You’ve been trying to get it over 30 years. I would say it’s time, right? Donald Trump, Mar 28, 2019

Turns out the Great lakes Restoration Intiative has been ongoing since 2010.  Note Trump's exact words 

I’m going to get , in honor of my friends, full funding of $300 million for the Great Lakes Restoration Initiative

According to Fact Check.org , the GLRI has had funding of 300 million  (in one year more) since it started 9 years ago. 

https://www.factcheck.org/2019/03/trumps-great-lakes-whoppers/

But here is the real kicker - until the other day, Trump has been trying to severely cut the funding to the program. 


In his last two budget proposals, including the fiscal year 2020 budget released this month, Trump proposed just $30 million — the equivalent of a 90 percent cut. In his first proposed budget for fiscal year 2018, the president allotted zero funding for the program.

So this clown claims credit for an environmental program that he has actually been trying to destroy. 

And the crowd cheered. 

I think they realize that it is only when he is lying that he is truly their hero. 


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JohnRussell
Professor Principal
1  author  JohnRussell    6 years ago

If his mouth moves he is lying. 

 
 
 
Don Overton
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1.1  Don Overton  replied to  JohnRussell @1    6 years ago

Applies for most congressional republicans also

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
PhD Quiet
2  igknorantzrulz    6 years ago

So this clown claims credit for an environmental program that he has actually been trying to destroy. 

And the crowd cheered. "

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thus Y i am more concerned with Trump supporters/defenders,

more than the idiot himself.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
3  author  JohnRussell    6 years ago

Funny how articles like this get no comments. 

Hard one for them to talk their way out of. 

 
 
 
bbl-1
Professor Quiet
3.1  bbl-1  replied to  JohnRussell @3    6 years ago

Few comments because the obvious answer is-------no.

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
Professor Participates
3.1.1  FLYNAVY1  replied to  bbl-1 @3.1    6 years ago

He does love the uneducated...…!

 
 
 
livefreeordie
Junior Silent
3.1.2  livefreeordie  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @3.1.1    6 years ago

Trump loves everyone who loves America, capitalism, and individualism.   Lots of Trump supporters like myself are well educated.  Leftists consistently belittle anyone who is not a leftist as uneducated.  They have spouted this propaganda for decades.

yet the left counts on the uneducated, promising them other people’s money to get their vote

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
3.1.3  author  JohnRussell  replied to  livefreeordie @3.1.2    6 years ago

Why did Donald Trump lie about the Great Lakes Restoration Initiative ?

 
 
 
livefreeordie
Junior Silent
3.1.4  livefreeordie  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.3    6 years ago

I had never heard of it and I don’t really care what Trump said about it.   Although reading about it now, I oppose any funding of it. The Federal Government should not be involved. It should be left to the states

furthermore your question has nothing to do with my post

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
3.1.5  author  JohnRussell  replied to  livefreeordie @3.1.4    6 years ago
it and I don’t really care what Trump said about it.

My question is about the posted article. The topic is not whether you approve of Donald Trump. This man lies like this virtually every day. He's not fit to be president of the United States, period. 

People who say that he is are doing no service to this country. 

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
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3.1.6  FLYNAVY1  replied to  livefreeordie @3.1.2    6 years ago

Hell, most Trump supporters couldn't hit water if they fell out of flippin boat. 

Trump loves everyone who loves America, capitalism, and individualism.

BTW..... I understand that lying is path to hell as well!

 
 
 
livefreeordie
Junior Silent
3.1.7  livefreeordie  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.5    6 years ago

He has been the best president in the past 90 years. Only the haters disagree.

 
 
 
livefreeordie
Junior Silent
3.1.8  livefreeordie  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @3.1.6    6 years ago

Well count me one who can.  Skindiving at the age of 8.  Helped my dad build boats and served USN 67-70

and what do flyboys know about the water unless they crash in the ocean

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
3.1.9  author  JohnRussell  replied to  livefreeordie @3.1.7    6 years ago
He has been the best president in the past 90 years.

lol. A group of presidential historians named him the worst president in US history. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
3.1.10  TᵢG  replied to  livefreeordie @3.1.7    6 years ago
He has been the best president in the past 90 years. Only the haters disagree.

So that makes Calvin Coolidge your choice for best PotUS in the last 100 years?

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
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3.1.11  FLYNAVY1  replied to  livefreeordie @3.1.8    6 years ago

Convergence Zones, Sound Speed Profiles, Surface Ducts, Thermal Layer, Bottom Bounce, and countless hours of Soviet Submarine acoustic memorization just for starters.  Toss in other trivial aspects such as survival at sea training, navigation, and maybe you gasp that there is more to water than it being wet.      

This "flyboy" knows a crapload more about water than most any blackshoe or snipe could possibly imagine....    

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
3.1.12  author  JohnRussell  replied to  TᵢG @3.1.10    6 years ago

Coolidge was for a passive, disinterested government. That is why LiveFreeOrDie reveres him. 

 
 
 
livefreeordie
Junior Silent
3.1.13  livefreeordie  replied to  TᵢG @3.1.10    6 years ago

Yes

 
 
 
Nerm_L
Professor Expert
4  Nerm_L    6 years ago

If there were no lies then politics would serve no purpose.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
5  author  JohnRussell    6 years ago

No one else lies that Trump does. Stop saying that.

 
 
 
livefreeordie
Junior Silent
5.1  livefreeordie  replied to  JohnRussell @5    6 years ago

There are no honest politicians.  All are serial liars

 
 
 
Ronin2
Professor Quiet
5.2  Ronin2  replied to  JohnRussell @5    6 years ago

Why? Obama told quite a few whoppers in his time. Whoppers that his followers defended as the truth no matter what the reality.

Trump sucks; but stop trying to pretend that Obama- and all politicians don't tell whoppers to further their own agenda.  Also that their sheeple won't defend those lies to the hilt.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Expert
6  Jeremy Retired in NC    6 years ago

Oh no!!!! A Politician lied!!!!  

Something that has happened and has been "OK" for DECADES is now reprehensible.  TDS at it's best.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
Professor Quiet
6.1  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @6    6 years ago

Yes, we all know politicians embellish, exaggerate, obfuscate, and often don't tell you the whole truth. But Trump has taken what was a careful art-form of politicians being partly right while spinning a narrative to just outright bald-faced lies. Trump tells lies more than he speaks truth and for most Americans, they're sick of it which is why the vast majority disapprove of the job he's doing and just turn him off and tune him out when he starts spouting non-stop self aggrandizing lie after lie.

And saying "Hey, the other guys did it too" is no defense of bad behavior. Trumps lies reveal him to be untrustworthy in all things, anyone trusting Trump will eventually get stabbed in the back like so many before. There is only one person Trump cares about, and that is himself. He would sacrifice every single American including every one of his own children, even Ivanka though she'd likely be last, to the fire if it were to save his own skin. Yet he is a hero of the religious conservatives. Maybe he reminds them of Abraham, willing to kill his own child if the voice in his head told him to.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Expert
6.1.1  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @6.1    6 years ago
Yes, we all know politicians embellish, exaggerate, obfuscate, and often don't tell you the whole truth. But Trump....

"But Trump".  That is where you should have stopped.  You are upset Trump is doing exactly what Obama, Clinton, Bush, and every other politician does because he beat who you "thought" should be in that position.  Since November 2016, you and the rest of the left, have been acting like a spoiled kid in the candy aisle at Walmart.  You didn't get your way so you are pitching one hell of a temper tantrum.  Your tantrum wasted millions on an investigation you knew would turn up nothing and you even throw the Special Council under the bus. 

Since taking office there have been more achievements made than his predecessor had in his 8 years in office.  Record low unemployment, record high stock market, record high jobs (looks like the magic wand Obama mentioned was quickly located and put to use), more has been done against ISIS than his predecessor. 

But, "he lied".  Give me a break.  You all claim to be adults, then act like it. 

 
 
 
Ronin2
Professor Quiet
6.1.2  Ronin2  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @6.1    6 years ago
Yes, we all know politicians embellish, exaggerate, obfuscate, and often don't tell you the whole truth.

In the real world that is called a lie.

Trump tells lies more than he speaks truth and for most Americans, they're sick of it which is why the vast majority disapprove of the job he's doing and just turn him off and tune him out when he starts spouting non-stop self aggrandizing lie after lie.

I am sure you have some poll to prove that. I am also sure that polls said Trump stood no chance of beating Hillary were 100% wrong. 

And saying "Hey, the other guys did it too" is no defense of bad behavior.

Saying only Trump lies is letting every other political hack off the hook. They all lie, period. You just can't stand that Trump doesn't have a D behind his name.

Trumps lies reveal him to be untrustworthy in all things, anyone trusting Trump will eventually get stabbed in the back like so many before. There is only one person Trump cares about, and that is himself. He would sacrifice every single American including every one of his own children,

In other words a typical politician.  Or do you think the Clinton's, Obama's, and Bush's of the world got their power by being sweet, wonderful, caring human beings?

Here is an idea, since the whole impeachment thing isn't working out. Find a good Democratic candidate (with Biden not even being allowed in the bursting Democrat clown car that will be hard). Help them win the party nomination.  Then help them beat Trump in the national elections. Should be easy enough. I am sure there is a poll somewhere stating that any unspecified Democrat candidate would beat Trump easily if the elections were held now. 

 
 

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