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Montreal to take down 80-year-old crucifix from city chambers

  

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Via:  bob-nelson  •  5 years ago  •  11 comments

Montreal to take down 80-year-old crucifix from city chambers
Councillor stresses city’s ‘secular character’ as influence of Catholic Church abates

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For more than 80 years , a crucifix has overseen the civic business of Canada’s second-largest city from its perch above Montreal’s city council chambers.

320 Next month, it will come down for good as the the centuries-old building prepares for renovation – and city councillors have decided that it will not be returned.

Saint Joseph’s Oratory of Mount Royal in Montreal. Quebec is struggling to balance its Catholic past with its secular present.
Daniel Slim/AFP/Getty Images

The crucifix’s removal comes as Quebec struggles to balance its Catholic past with a decidedly secular present day – and in the midst of a debate in the province over the place of religious symbols such as the hijab in public .

“We were going to take the crucifix down during the renovations anyways, so we asked ourselves if we were going to put it back up, and we decided that we won’t,” said city councillor Laurence Lavigne Lalonde, who oversees the city’s democratic institutions. “The context in which it was placed there no longer applies. We need to reaffirm the secular character of the chamber.”

The city purchased the half-metre-sized depiction of Jesus Christ for $25 in 1937. It was put in place at the behest of alderman (and fervent Catholic) Joseph-Émile Dubreuil to remind his colleagues of their allegiances to God as they went about their civic duties.

Religious artefacts are not uncommon in public buildings in the province, which is home to the lion’s share of Canada’s Catholics – and to myriad villages, towns and cities named after saints. In Montreal, a 31-metre illuminated cross sits atop Mont Royal, the tree-lined home to the city’s soul.

But since the early 1960s, during a great, modernising push known as the “Quiet Revolution”, the Catholic church’s influence over Québécois has slackened.

A more recent debate over the place and space given to religious minorities – seen by some as a threat to this hard-fought godlessness – has also prompted questions about the province’s own, very visible religious history.

The province’s right-of-centre CAQ government will soon introduce legislation banning the wearing of religious symbols by any provincial employee with “coercive powers”, including police officers, prison guards and, bizarrely, elementary school teachers. Provincial teachers’ unions and school board have worried this will unfairly target hijab-wearing teachers in the province.

Yet until recently the same government refused to remove the crucifix from Quebec’s National Assembly, where it has kept watch since 1936. A similar size to its Montreal cousin but coloured gold, this particular crucifix was “a historical object”, said Quebec immigration minister Simon Jolin-Barrette recently. Media types and academics have taken to calling this apparent double standard ‘Catho-laïcité’, or ‘Catho-secularism.’

Soon after Montreal announced the removal of the crucifix, the Quebec premier, François Legault, said he was open to doing the same thing in Quebec’s National Assembly.

Should he do so, it will likely be an even more fraught an exercise than in Montreal. When La Presse columnist Rima Elkouri received many positive emails after she wrote in favour of the city hall crucifix’s removal. But she also received incredulous missives wondering why she wasn’t worried about the effect of the crucifix’s removal on people “born here”. (Elkouri was born in Montreal.)

“Religious symbols really divide people in Quebec,” Elkouri said. “When I write about the issue, I get these emails from people accusing me of wanting to tell Quebecers what to do. People are more and more vocal in their racism.”

Montreal’s crucifix will be on display in a museum area once the newly renovated city hall reopens in 2022. “It’s going to be part of an exposition, not just hidden in a cabinet somewhere,” said Lavigne Lalonde. There are no similar plans to remove the building-sized cross staring down from Mont Royal, however.



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Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
1  seeder  Bob Nelson    5 years ago

IMNAAHO, no religious symbol has any place in any publicly-owned property.

 
 
 
epistte
Junior Guide
2  epistte    5 years ago

This is a significant action in the province of Quebec that was founded as a Catholic outpost and with Catholic money to fund the expedition.

The bishops of Quebec, the Canadian province which for centuries was the greatest bastion of French Catholic piety outside the motherland, have just published a booklet. It urges students of the faith to ponder the examples of six pioneering figures, four female and two male. As teachers, missionaries and founders of religious orders, the six all helped make francophone North America into a very devout place. Among the listed heroes is Jean de Brebeuf, a Jesuit from Normandy who befriended the Huron people and was killed by their foes, the Iroquois, in 1649.

 I applaud their action as a separation of church and state and a public statement that all people, regardless of religious belief are equal in the eyes of the government. 

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
2.1  seeder  Bob Nelson  replied to  epistte @2    5 years ago

The debate in France over banning the full-face hijab was epic! It passed. In the five-six years since, there have been only a half-dozen fines for non-compliance.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
3  Ed-NavDoc    5 years ago

What France and Canada do in their countries is their own business.

 
 
 
epistte
Junior Guide
3.1  epistte  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @3    5 years ago
What France and Canada do in their countries is their own business.

If the same crucifix was in a government building would you support removing it or do you believe that it should be kept, despite the First Amendment

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
3.1.1  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  epistte @3.1    5 years ago

As there should be separation of church and state in my belief, they should all be removed in all fairness.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
Professor Expert
4  Buzz of the Orient    5 years ago

And all sheriffs must trash their 6-pointed stars because they look like the Jewish Star of David. 

Canada is at this time also in the process of trying to pass a law that no religious symbols can be worn by workers in public companies.  That means no crosses or Stars of David on necklaces or earrings, no hijabs, no kippas....

 
 
 
epistte
Junior Guide
4.1  epistte  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @4    5 years ago
And all sheriffs must trash their 6-pointed stars because they look like the Jewish Star of David. 

I cannot find anything that suggests that a 6 pointed star badge has any Jewish connotations to it. It is just a tradition.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
4.2  seeder  Bob Nelson  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @4    5 years ago

I don't know what Canada is doing.

The French ban is for "ostentatious" displays. I small cross/crescent/star on a necklace is okay. Oversized, no.

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Guide
4.3  Split Personality  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @4    5 years ago

Most sheriffs stars are 5 pointed.

Not all, but most. it would not be a financial hardship to achieve.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
4.3.1  seeder  Bob Nelson  replied to  Split Personality @4.3    5 years ago

Oh!

A pentagram!

They're Wiccans!

 
 

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