With his 10,000 lies, President Trump is the most dishonest politician ever

  
Via:  john-russell  •  3 months ago  •  178 comments

With his 10,000 lies, President Trump is the most dishonest politician ever
to even suggest that anything Democrats have done over the years — or even to suggest that what other Republicans have done over the years — is on par with what Trump has normalized since he was sworn in is simply laughable.Richard Nixon, the Republican president who was run out of office for covering up the Watergate break-in, was not as dishonest as Trump. Not even close. Nixon’s arc bends closer to “Honest Abe” Lincoln than it does to a serial liar like Trump.

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He tells lies about immigration. He tells lies about trade. He tells lies about Stormy Daniels, and he tells lies about the Mueller investigation. He tells lies about his taxes. He tells lies about your taxes.

He lies about big things. He lies about small things.

In a recent interview he said 45 things that just weren’t true. In a campaign speech, he told 61 lies.


With his 10,000 lies, President Trump is the most dishonest politician ever


Joseph Gerth, Louisville Courier JournalPublished 11:02 a.m. ET May 2, 2019 | Updated 6:02 p.m. ET May 2, 2019











The Washington Post has documented more than 10,000 times when President Donald Trump has made false or misleading claims.

They won’t call them lies. I will.

Trump has repeatedly made stuff up out of whole cloth.

He tells lies about immigration. He tells lies about trade. He tells lies about Stormy Daniels, and he tells lies about the Mueller investigation. He tells lies about his taxes. He tells lies about your taxes.

He lies about big things. He lies about small things.

In a recent interview he said 45 things that just weren’t true. In a campaign speech, he told 61 lies.

He lies so often, he probably doesn’t even realize he’s lying.

He LIES.

LIES.

LIES.

LIES.

LIES.

That’s why I was stunned recently when I read Scott Jennings' column in the Courier Journal in which he went back 21 years to document six false or misleading claims — or perhaps lies — by Democrats, to convince you they are just as dishonest as Trump. They aren’t.

Don’t get me wrong. Democrats don’t always tell the truth. They’ve told some whoppers over the years.

They are politicians, and some politicians will say anything to get elected or reelected.

It doesn’t matter if they are Whigs or Tories or members of the United Socialist Party of Venezuela. Or Democrats. Or Republicans.

Some of them are going to lie. Maybe a majority of them are going to fib.

But to even suggest that anything Democrats have done over the years — or even to suggest that what other Republicans have done over the years — is on par with what Trump has normalized since he was sworn in is simply laughable.

Richard Nixon, the Republican president who was run out of office for covering up the Watergate break-in, was not as dishonest as Trump. Not even close. Nixon’s arc bends closer to “Honest Abe” Lincoln than it does to a serial liar like Trump.

Trump’s arc bends more toward James “Honest Dick” Tate, the Kentucky state treasurer who fled the state in 1988 with two tobacco sacks full of taxpayers’ gold and silver.

You'd trust Charles Ponzi or Bernie Madoff before you'd trust Trump. 

I'd trust Jeffery Dahmer with a scalpel before I'd trust the perjurer-in-chief.

Jennings noted that President Barack Obama was given PolitiFact’s “Lie of the Year” award in 2013 for saying that under Obamacare, “If you like your health care plan, you can keep it.”

He failed to mention that Trump was given the “Lie of the Year” award in both 2015 and 2017.

The first award was not for a single lie but was for the sheer volume of lies Trump told. PolitiFact said that 76 percent of Trump’s statements that it checked that year were “mostly false,” “false” or “pants on fire.”


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Kentucky Gov. Matt Bevin greets President Donald Trump as he lands in Lexington on Oct. 13, 2018. (Photo: James Crisp, Special to the Courier Journal)



“In considering our annual Lie of the Year, we found our only real contenders were Trump’s — his various statements also led our Readers’ Poll. But it was hard to single one out from the others. So we have rolled them into one big trophy.”

In 2017, he was given the award for saying that Russian election interference was a “made-up story.”

“When the nation’s commander-in-chief refuses to acknowledge a threat to U.S. democracy, it makes it all the more difficult to address the problem. For this reason, we name Trump’s claim that the Russia interference is a hoax as our Lie of the Year for 2017,” PolitiFact wrote.

And in 2016, when "Fake News" was named the Lie of the Year, PolitiFact singled Trump out as a "willing enabler" of that fake news. 





Sarah Huckabee Sanders was at a rally for Pres. Trump when she addressed how she was treated at last year's White House Correspondents' dinner. Wochit




Jennings clutches his pearls because “Democrats lie all the time about stuff that matters; they just don’t pay the same price as Donald Trump for their untruthfulness.”

Nor should they. Nor should Republicans.

Many of them make false and misleading statements when they are trapped or cornered or don’t have a better answer.

Trump lies when he doesn’t have to. He lies when the truth is a better answer.

Trump’s first instinct is to lie.

In his effort to make you fear and hate brown people, he has claimed there are as many as 34 million illegal immigrants in the United States while researchers pin that number at about 11 million.

In his effort to make you hate Muslims, he said he watched as thousands in New Jersey cheered as the World Trade Center fell. Did. Not. Happen.

He has wrongly claimed that there is not a system in place to vet refugees entering the United States — a disgusting effort to make you despise poor people who are simply seeking a better life here.

These aren’t garden variety lies.

This isn’t, “Read my lips. No new taxes.”

It’s not even, “I did not have sexual relations with that woman.”

While Trump tells many lies that don’t matter — how can he not, averaging 12 whoppers per day — these are lies that tear at the heart of our country. They are lies that are designed to divide us and make us hate one another.

And they’ve had an impact. Just look at the rise of white supremacy in the United States, including last week’s attack on the Poway Synagogue in California.

When someone tells you a politician or a political party doesn’t have moral standing to talk about Trump’s lies, It’s just because they don’t want to talk about Trump’s lies. All 10,000 of them.

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JohnRussell
1  seeder  JohnRussell    3 months ago

In a nutshell, this is why Trump can never be and will never be accepted by a majority of Americans. 

Trumpsters say "why can't you accept he won the election and is president?"

This is why. 

 
 
 
Greg Jones
1.1  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @1    3 months ago

What a weak and lame article based on nothing but lie after lie after lie.

The majority of Americans have accepted him and the agenda he represents.

An even greater majority will reelect him. The left wing obsessives have told nothing but lies about him and he still keeps winning

I can't think of one lie he has told because I don't give a crap about such trivia.

The majority of Americans don't either. All the progressives can do is bark at the moon and otherwise make a lot of noise.jrSmiley_99_smiley_image.jpg

 
 
 
JohnRussell
1.1.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Greg Jones @1.1    3 months ago
The majority of Americans have accepted him and the agenda he represents.

Total nonsense. He has never had a majority of Americans support him. 

 
 
 
Greg Jones
1.1.2  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.1    3 months ago

That's not true.

A majority elected him in the first place.

All those bogus votes for HRC don't count.

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.1.3  Tessylo  replied to  Greg Jones @1.1    3 months ago
'The majority of Americans have accepted him and the agenda he represents.'

Nope, that would be the 35% who are Rump supporters.

He's never had a majority, NEVER.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.1.4  Tessylo  replied to  Greg Jones @1.1.2    3 months ago
'All those bogus votes for HRC don't count.'

Of course not!  Those three million votes!  

 
 
 
lady in black
1.1.5  lady in black  replied to  Greg Jones @1.1.2    3 months ago

You learn well from your master, keep lying to yourself.

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
1.1.6  Freedom Warrior  replied to  Greg Jones @1.1    3 months ago

The Washington Compost lost all credibility when they became propagandists for the DNC.

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.1.7  Tessylo  replied to  Freedom Warrior @1.1.6    3 months ago

When did that happen?

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
1.1.8  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Greg Jones @1.1    3 months ago

The majority of Americans have accepted him and the agenda he represents.

Horse muffins.  His current approval rating is 34%.  So much for your majority rationale.

 
 
 
Ronin2
1.1.10  Ronin2  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @1.1.8    3 months ago

Still trust polls?

Thought everyone would have learned after Hillary lost to Trump.

Polls can say anything the pollsters want them to.  Just use slanted questions, over poll a selected demographic, and finally take it as gospel that people aren't lying.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
1.1.11  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Ronin2 @1.1.10    3 months ago

Nice try.  If the polls said his AR was 80 percent, you would be dancing in the aisle.   Your golden boy is little more than iron pyrite.

 
 
 
MrFrost
1.1.12  MrFrost  replied to  Greg Jones @1.1    3 months ago
What a weak and lame article based on nothing but lie after lie after lie.

Well, you nailed it. Trump is literally one lie after another. Even fox news has said, "Trump has a complicated relationship with the truth". 

 
 
 
Jack_TX
1.2  Jack_TX  replied to  JohnRussell @1    3 months ago
Trumpsters say "why can't you accept he won the election and is president?" This is why. 

That's just bullshit.  When he does say things that are true, liberals everywhere scream, yell, weep and protest.

If every word that proceeded out of his mouth were true, you'd still hate him.  Probably more.

 

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.2.1  Tessylo  replied to  Jack_TX @1.2    3 months ago

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When has the turd told the truth?  About anything?

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
1.2.2  Freedom Warrior  replied to  Jack_TX @1.2    3 months ago

Ain't that the truth.  They really don't hate his mendacity as much as they hate when he tells the truth.

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.2.3  Tessylo  replied to  Freedom Warrior @1.2.2    3 months ago
'when he tells the truth.'

When has the turd done that?  

 
 
 
Jack_TX
1.2.4  Jack_TX  replied to  Tessylo @1.2.3    3 months ago
When has the turd done that?

Truth:  He's a famous billionaire with a history of trading in trophy wives for younger models.  There are a number of women who will let him grab anything.

Truth:  There is a problem at the Mexican border and some of those people are in fact criminals.

Truth:  Unemployment is at it's lowest in 50 years.

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.2.5  Tessylo  replied to  Jack_TX @1.2.4    3 months ago

The billionaire part is a lie.  

I love your abridged version of the 'truth'.  HIlarious.  

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
1.2.6  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Jack_TX @1.2.4    3 months ago

 Unemployment is at it's lowest in 50 years.

 Under Trump, more than 93,000 jobs have been certified by the Department of Labor as lost to outsourcing or trade competition.  Just ask Carrier and Harley Davidson.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
1.2.7  Trout Giggles  replied to  Jack_TX @1.2.4    3 months ago

Those are not comments made by trmp

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
1.2.8  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @1.2.6    3 months ago
Under Trump, more than 93,000 jobs have been certified by the Department of Labor as lost to outsourcing or trade competition

lose some and gain even more.  that is the way it goes.  and does not change the fact that unemployment is at historic lows across the board.

the shift from globalism to nationalism will create some bumps and bruises along the way as with any major shift like that, it is expected. but OUR country is already doing better and this is just the beginning.

our country was held back for near 60yrs by globalism.

it will take more than a minute to catch up with that much lost time.

 
 
 
Texan1211
1.2.9  Texan1211  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @1.2.6    3 months ago

So because companies closed plants, we should simply ignore the data showing lowest unemployment in 50 years?

 
 
 
Sunshine
1.2.10  Sunshine  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @1.2.6    3 months ago
Under Trump, more than 93,000 jobs have been certified by the Department of Labor as lost to outsourcing or trade competition.  Just ask Carrier and Harley Davidson.

At a 3.6% unemployment rate if someone does not have a job it because they don't want one.

 
 
 
Texan1211
1.2.11  Texan1211  replied to  Sunshine @1.2.10    3 months ago
At a 3.6% unemployment rate if someone does not have a job it because they don't want one.

I believe that 100%.

We can not hire and keep enough workers.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
1.2.12  Jack_TX  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @1.2.6    3 months ago
Under Trump, more than 93,000 jobs have been certified by the Department of Labor as lost to outsourcing or trade competition.  Just ask Carrier and Harley Davidson.

It's probably more than that.  You're citing a 2017 statistic. 

That does not address the fact that we've added 5.4 million jobs with Trump in the WH, including a quarter million in April.  It also does not address the fact that wage growth is stronger than under the previous president. 

That's not to say Trump is a better president than Obama was.  I don't believe that's the case.  It simply points out that the facts indicate he's not nearly the catastrophe that liberals try to convince everyone he is.

I had very similar conversations 8 years ago with my friends who were rabidly anti-Obama.  It's a fascinating bit of deja-vu.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
1.2.13  Jack_TX  replied to  Sunshine @1.2.10    3 months ago
At a 3.6% unemployment rate if someone does not have a job it because they don't want one.

Not at all.

Lots of people don't have jobs because our public school system patted them on the head and gave them a diploma so they would "feel good" about themselves.  Now they're stuck unless they're strong enough to dig ditches or load boxes, because they're too ignorant to be of any use in an office.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
1.2.14  Jack_TX  replied to  Trout Giggles @1.2.7    3 months ago
Those are not comments made by trmp

I don't generally speak as crudely as Trump.

But if you're going to press the issue.... when he said "you can grab them by the pussy"... he was telling the truth.

When he said “When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best,”... that was true.  You don't find Mexican dentists or PhD's crossing the river in the middle of the night.

When he tweeted "African American unemployment is the lowest ever recorded in our country." ...that was actually true.

When he said Haiti is a "shithole country", that was accurate.  NBC News, attempting to counter Trump's statement, did a photo essay on Haiti the next day.  They included a photo with a beautiful little Haitian girl jumping over a puddle of raw sewage in the street on her way to school.

Donald Trump is rude, crude, boorish, contemptible and without character.  He prevaricates and exaggerates frequently.  However the idea that he never tells the truth is idiotic.  Further, the things he says that are most objectionable to liberals are not the lies he tells but the unhappy truths they don't want to hear.

 
 
 
MrFrost
1.2.15  MrFrost  replied to  Jack_TX @1.2    3 months ago
When he does say things that are true, liberals everywhere scream, yell, weep and protest.

That's and extraordinarily rare event. Trump lies constantly, that's a fact. I mean, if you do a comparison, trump lies more than Hillary, GWB and Obama combined. But here is the real question, Jack...

How much do you believe trump? Do you believe him because what he tells you is something you want to hear? Or do you believe what he says because you want to believe what he says is the truth?

I get it....all politicians lie, we expect that but if we are going to compare them?

Obama: 26% lies.

Hillary: 41% lies.

Trump: 83% lies. 

In no way, none, can you claim trump lies less than any....ANY politician.... When it comes to lying, trump is in a league all his own.... 

So tell me, why do you believe ANYTHING trump says? 

 
 
 
Jack_TX
1.2.16  Jack_TX  replied to  MrFrost @1.2.15    3 months ago
How much do you believe trump?

Not at all.  But I never have.  He's a NY real estate developer.  He's been full of shit since the 1970s. 

Do you believe him because what he tells you is something you want to hear? Or do you believe what he says because you want to believe what he says is the truth?

Why do you presume I believe him?   I am the vanguard and archetype of Generation X.  I grew up during Watergate. I don't believe anybody, least of all politicians.

I get it....all politicians lie, we expect that but if we are going to compare them?

My point exactly. All politicians lie.  All of these people who have spent the last 2+ years in a seemingly constant state of hysteria squealing about how "Trump lies" are just pathetic. 

News flash folks...you've all been lied to before....all of your lives.  You survived it quite well.  You just didn't mind because the liars in question didn't hurt your "feelings" so much.  Grow up, grow a spine, and get on with your lives.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
1.2.17  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Jack_TX @1.2.16    3 months ago
You survived it quite well.  You just didn't mind because the liars in question didn't hurt your "feelings" so much.  Grow up, grow a spine, and get on with your lives.

what if we're coruscations with many frustrations due to the fact that you're patheticisim ,

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Freedom Warrior
1.3  Freedom Warrior  replied to  JohnRussell @1    3 months ago

Except you have to accept reality of his election at some point.  As for the rest of the words, it doesn't really matter.  It's about what he actually does that counts.

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.3.1  Tessylo  replied to  Freedom Warrior @1.3    3 months ago

What is it that the turd Rump actually does?

 
 
 
Jack_TX
1.3.2  Jack_TX  replied to  Tessylo @1.3.1    3 months ago
What is it that the turd Rump actually does?

Very little.  Which is why he does not deserve the attention he gets.

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.3.3  Tessylo  replied to  Jack_TX @1.3.2    3 months ago
Very little.  Which is why he does not deserve the attention he gets.

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I should have said, besides golf and lining his own pockets.  

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
1.3.4  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  Tessylo @1.3.1    3 months ago
What is it that the turd Rump actually does?

we could list things like the lowest unemployment in decades, or the death of the TPP and the  paris trade agreement, removal from the UN small arms agreement, in general telling globalists to fuk off, protecting our nations sovereignty, "the ICC is dead to us", the wall is being built...  etc, etc, so on and so forth. but that would take too long. and things might be left out.

so, to be succinct I will simply say.

 trump has done everything that pisses you off today, everything that pissed you off in the past, and everything that will piss you off in the future.    and that should cover just about everything trump has done or will ever do :)

 
 
 
Jack_TX
1.3.5  Jack_TX  replied to  Tessylo @1.3.3    3 months ago
I should have said, besides golf and lining his own pockets.  

BTW, there isn't any way he's as good at golf as he claims.  You can add that to the list of things to tattle about.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
1.3.6  Jack_TX  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @1.3.4    3 months ago
trump has done everything that pisses you off today, everything that pissed you off in the past, and everything that will piss you off in the future.    and that should cover just about everything trump has done or will ever do

Pretty much this.

I'm sure she's working on a way to blame him for the charge of the Light Brigade.

 
 
 
lib50
1.3.7  lib50  replied to  Tessylo @1.3.1    3 months ago
What is it that the turd Rump actually does?

'Executive time' on the throne (tweet time), hours of Fox, hamberders and covfefe.  Maybe a phone call from Putin with his new orders.  I believe they spoke today.  Listen for the new propaganda, I'm sure it will make its way here soon too.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
1.3.8  Jack_TX  replied to  lib50 @1.3.7    3 months ago
Executive time' on the throne (tweet time), hours of Fox, hamberders and covfefe.

Would you rather he was spending time actually implementing his policies?

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.3.9  Tessylo  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @1.3.4    3 months ago

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Tessylo
1.3.10  Tessylo  replied to  lib50 @1.3.7    3 months ago

Twitter shitter time

 
 
 
MrFrost
1.3.11  MrFrost  replied to  Jack_TX @1.3.5    3 months ago
BTW, there isn't any way he's as good at golf as he claims.  You can add that to the list of things to tattle about.

Well, that and he said he would be too busy working to golf....(But then goes on to golf more in two years, than Obama did in 8 years... Weird that Hannity, after crying about how much Obama golfed literally had NOTHING to say about trumps constant golfing). But let me guess...fox is "fair and balanced"? Weird! 

 
 
 
Jack_TX
1.3.12  Jack_TX  replied to  MrFrost @1.3.11    3 months ago
Well, that and he said he would be too busy working to golf....(But then goes on to golf more in two years, than Obama did in 8 years...

Excellent.  Seriously.  In a perfect world, every elected official would spend half their time golfing in a foreign country.  Think about the amount of damage we could avoid.

Weird that Hannity, after crying about how much Obama golfed literally had NOTHING to say about trumps constant golfing). But let me guess...fox is "fair and balanced"? Weird! 

Why are you listening to Hannity?  Why do you give 1/4 of a fuck what he says?  Why would you give that man one iota of your life?

More to the point....why would his bias be remarkable?

Think of it like this: somebody meets Marc Gasol and is astonished at how tall he is.  Then every day for the next 4 years they say "I can't believe he's so tall", or "have you seen how tall he is", or "do realize he's like...really tall?"  Well...after about 30 days of this, I'm starting to wonder if that person is mentally retarded.  After 60 days, I'm actually saying "WTF is wrong with you?"

That's how I see the "Trump is a liar" crowd.  Yes.  He lies.  We all get it.  What rock have these people been living under that they think this is news?

 
 
 
cjcold
1.3.13  cjcold  replied to  Jack_TX @1.3.5    3 months ago

He has a fairly average drive but blatantly cheats on his short game.

 
 
 
lib50
1.3.14  lib50  replied to  Jack_TX @1.3.12    3 months ago

I feel sorry for you if you think liars and the lies they tell are just nothing. 

 
 
 
Jack_TX
1.3.15  Jack_TX  replied to  lib50 @1.3.14    3 months ago
I feel sorry for you if you think liars and the lies they tell are just nothing. 

I would say I feel sorry for you driving yourself to angst over something as mundane as politicians failing to tell the truth, but that's just not true.

First, I don't feel sorry for people who make themselves unhappy by choice.  You could easily ignore his bullshit and...trust me....it improves your day.

Secondly, this isn't about lies.  This is about your dislike for the person telling them, whose most offensive comments aren't actually lies anyway.  The lies are just an excuse you use to talk about how terrible Trump is while pretending you aren't beating a dead horse.

 
 
 
lib50
1.3.16  lib50  replied to  Jack_TX @1.3.15    3 months ago

I hope you aren't a psychiatrist, you suck at it.  Wrong on every count. 

First, I'm not unhappy, I'm a person who doesn't lie and accept lies from others, I consider trust and honesty important, sad you don't.  It's also not mundane to notice the top office holder is a flaming liar who you can't trust. What he says and does has a direct impact on all Americans.  I don't ignore that bullshit, and I'd be unhappy if I did, because it is wrong and my moral compass won't let me.  Especially when he has a band of liars repeating his lies on a daily basis. And morons who believe them. 

Second, and again, you are wrong.  This is about lies.  And stupidity.  And followers who believe and promote the lies.  And Russian trolls who promote the lies.   People who don't care about truth, honesty and character must have a reason.   Sounds like yours is pure willful blindness and denial so you can stay in your happy bubble. 

 
 
 
Jack_TX
1.3.17  Jack_TX  replied to  lib50 @1.3.16    3 months ago
It's also not mundane to notice the top office holder is a flaming liar who you can't trust.

Of course it is.  

"If you like your doctor...."

"I didn't have sex with that woman"

"Read my lips, no new taxes".

"I am not a crook."

“We are not about to send American boys 9 or 10 thousand miles away from home to do what Asian boys ought to be doing for themselves.”

Good gravy.  The list is endless.  And those lies were actually significant.  Almost nothing Trump says actually matters.

Second, and again, you are wrong.  This is about lies. 

Riiiiiight.  Because you cared so much about all those other presidents telling lies.  *eyeroll*   Oh...hang on...you didn't.  You cared about it when an obnoxious asshole started talking about pussy grabbing and shithole countries.

People who don't care about truth, honesty and character must have a reason.

Yes.  Again....pragmatism.  I'm not sure why a simple concept like pragmatism is so difficult for you to accept.  If you can figure out a way to get Trump to tell the truth, then by all means make it happen.  Until that happens, I intend to set my expectations in accordance with observable reality.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
1.4  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  JohnRussell @1    3 months ago

John, seems like no matter what anyone says your hatred of Trump and the conservative right is so great you would never believe a single positive thing about Trump anyway. So why bother. You go out of your way to refute things, and then get highly upset when others do not share your views. I am not a Trump supporter and did not vote for him, but I refuse to lay all the problems with this country at his feet and those of the right  like you do while giving the progressive left a free pass. My apologies if I offend, but this is just my opinion whether it is worth anything or not. Have a good day.

 
 
 
lib50
1.4.1  lib50  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @1.4    3 months ago

What exactly has Trump done well, and what did progressives get a free pass on?   Just curious.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
1.4.2  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  lib50 @1.4.1    3 months ago

I never said he did things well so you are asking a loaded question and you know it. As far as the liberals getting a free pass just read the current headlines for yourself.  You want examples, just read about the antics of the comedy team of AOC and Omar, and others. I won't do your homework for you. Have a good evening.

 
 
 
lib50
1.4.3  lib50  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @1.4.2    3 months ago
never believe a single positive thing about Trump anyway.

I was referring to this sentence and want to know a positive thing about Trump. 

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
1.4.4  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  lib50 @1.4.3    3 months ago

One thing comes to mind. President Trump has made sweeping recommendations and changes to the current VA system to improve care for vets and revamp and speed up claims.

 
 
 
lib50
1.4.5  lib50  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @1.4.4    3 months ago

He also wants to make budget cuts to the VA.  Any cuts to the VA budget and its increases are bad.  We've had decades of wars and need more money, not less.  My son is a veteran and doesn't support Trump at all.  And they want to begin privatization, which would be the worst possible long  term idea.  I'm not against letting vets get care outside the system at all.  But all war related injuries must be monitored for specific types of problems and care.  But I appreciate the example, you bring up a rare example of at least saying  something I can agree needs done.  You might be the first.

https://www.stripes.com/news/veterans/va-secretary-has-begun-planning-budget-cuts-requested-by-trump-1.556017

 
 
 
mocowgirl
1.4.6  mocowgirl  replied to  lib50 @1.4.5    3 months ago
And they want to begin privatization, which would be the worst possible long  term idea.

Privatization began in 2014 when Obama was POTUS.  My husband was eligible for the program and never enrolled because I was skeptical and disapproving of the push to privatize VA services by anyone whether they were Democrat or Republican.   I would have been ranting against the policy if I had been aware that it was based on creating  middleman corporations that received $295 or more for each doctor's appointment scheduled.  Where the HELL are the financial watchdogs that should be overseeing this type of waste?  I am positively overjoyed that at least Trump is receiving the scrutiny that was omitted when this program was vetted and passed under Obama.

My motto is:  ALWAYS follow the MONEY.  Maybe more people are adhering to this motto and that is one of the reasons that there is a rise in the number of people who identify as Independents.

https://psmag.com/social-justice/privatizing-the-v-a-is-not-cheap

Since 2014, 1.9 million former service members have received private medical care through a program called Veterans Choice. It was supposed to give veterans a way around long wait times in the VA. But their average waits using the Choice Program were still longer than allowed by law, according to examinations by the VA inspector general and the Government Accountability Office. The watchdogs also found widespread blunders, such as booking a veteran in Idaho with a doctor in New York and telling a Florida veteran to see a specialist in California. Once, the VA referred a veteran to the Choice Program to see a urologist, but instead he got an appointment with a neurologist.

The winners have been two private companies hired to run the program, which began under the Obama administration and is poised to grow significantly under Trump. ProPublica and PolitiFact obtained VA data showing how much the agency has paid in medical claims and administrative fees for the Choice Program. Since 2014, the two companies have been paid nearly $2 billion for overhead, including profit. That's about 24 percent of the companies' total program expenses—a rate that would exceed the federal cap that governs how much most insurance plans can spend on administration in the private sector.

According to the agency's inspector general, the VA was paying the contractors at least $295 every time it authorized private care for a veteran. The fee was so high because the VA hurriedly launched the Choice Program as a short-term response to a crisis. Four years later, the fee never subsided—it went up to as much as $318 per referral.

"This is what happens when people try and privatize the VA," Senator Jon Tester of Montana, the ranking Democrat on the Senate veterans committee, said in a statement responding to these findings. "The VA has an obligation to taxpayers to spend its limited resources on caring for veterans, not paying excessive fees to a government contractor. When VA does need the help of a middleman, it needs to do a better job of holding contractors accountable for missing the mark."
 
 
 
lib50
1.4.7  lib50  replied to  mocowgirl @1.4.6    3 months ago

Totally agree, and I've also been against it no matter who tries to do it.  There are some instances where distance is a factor accommodations can be made, but to get the best treatment for war injuries, the VA needs all the resources.  Private contractors suck the money and the care goes down for profit.  We have the same 'follow the money' motto too. 

 
 
 
KDMichigan
1.5  KDMichigan  replied to  JohnRussell @1    3 months ago

More fake news from JR. A story from Wapo ? Is it possible to get you info from a more biased left wing rag? 

Date
Trump comment
Washington Post explanation
MarketWatch explanation
4/27/19
“We have cut 30,000 pages of job killing regulations from the Federal Register. That’s an all-time record. It’s never happened before.”
This is a nonsense statistic, as counting pages tells you next to nothing about the impact of a regulation.
Perhaps “nonsense” but it appears to be accurate.
4/27/19
“In my first 100 days in office, I traveled to this very state to sign an executive order declaring that we will live by two simple rules: buy American and hire American right here in Wisconsin.
Trump says his administration believes in “buy American, hire American.” But Trump has a long history of outsourcing a variety of his own products.
He did sign the order, and the fact Trump’s personal track record doesn’t live up to that is irrelevant. If anything, it *supports* his order, since in theory it would force reluctant businesspeople like himself to buy and hire American.
4/24/19
“These newly employed citizens are joining 5.5 million more workers who have found jobs since the election.”
Trump often inflates the number of jobs created under his presidency by counting from Election Day, rather than when he took the oath of office. There have been about 4.9 million jobs created since January 2017, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics. Job growth under Trump in the first two years was little different than Obama’s last two years.
Trump literally said, “since the election.”
4/18/19
“And with Bernie’s, you know, they want to take the wealth that all of the people have made, 401(k)s you have 401(k)s, we all have 401(k)s and they’re at record levels, they’ve done better than they’ve ever done, they want to just dissipate it.”
This is not Bernie Sanders’s plan. The senator has proposed an expansion of Social Security, not an end to 401(k) plans.
Sanders repeatedly talks about desire for corporate taxes to rise. If successful, of course that would hurt 401(k) values. That Sanders doesn’t favor repeal of the tax wrapper isn’t what Trump is getting at.
4/17/19
“Since we passed our historic tax cuts and reforms just over one year ago, wages are rising fast, and they’re rising most quickly for the lowest-income Americans.”
Wages grew at an annual rate of 3.2% in December, but wage growth was consistently higher before 2009. Still, Goldman Sachs found that for the first during an economic recovery that began in mid-2009 that the bottom half of earners are benefiting more than the top half. Whether that can be attributed to the tax cut is unclear.
Not only are wages growing the fastest since the recession, they are fastest for lower-income workers. The cause-and-effect of tax cuts and wage growth is unclear but not definitely wrong.
4/12/19
“By the end of this year, the United States will have 92 5G deployments in markets nationwide. The next nearest country, South Korea, will have 48. So we have 92, compared to 48. And we’re going to accelerate that pace greatly.”
The U.S. is on track to have the most deployments, but according to a report from CTIA, China and others are “ahead in making critical mid-band spectrum available for 5G” and are already conducting “large-scale 5G trails across the country” because of their infrastructure advantage.
The Washington Post’s own analysis says the Trump comment was true!
4/6/19
“When I spoke to you as a candidate three years ago, America’s economy was stagnant.”
This is wrong. Many of the positive economic trends Trump regularly references started under the Obama administration.
Average GDP growth rate last nine quarters has been 2.8%. Average growth rate the prior nine quarters was 2%.
4/27/19
“Remember, President Obama said manufacturing jobs are gone. You need a wand, a magic wand. We found the magic wand because they’re coming and they’re coming fast.”
Trump is misquoting Obama. The former president said in a June 2016 townhall, that “you’re actually seeing some manufacturers coming back to the United States” but that alone won’t help workers whose jobs had been previously outsourced and so “what we have to do is to make sure that folks are trained for the jobs that are coming in now.” The “magic wand” referred to recreating jobs of the past through negotiating “a better deal.”
Manufacturing jobs growth has been stronger during Trump administration than Obama’s, even with recent tailing off.
4/27/19
“The unemployment rates for African-Americans, Hispanic-Americans and Asian-Americans have all reached their lowest levels in the history of our country.”
“The current African American unemployment statistic has been in existence for less than 50 years. It reached a low of 5.9% in May 2018, but rose to 6.7% in March. An older set of government data suggests black unemployment went much lower in the 1950s. The Asian-American statistic has been around for less than 20 years. And while it reached a low of 2.0% rate in May 2018, it rose to 3.0% in March, the most recent month available. Hispanic unemployment has also rebounded. Lately, Trump has been using the word “reached,” perhaps to indicate the lows are in the past.”
The lowest levels in recorded history, yes. His inclusion of the word “reached” makes it accurate. Moreover, the Washington Post is essentially dinging him for comparisons to economic performance in his own administration.
4/24/19
“People that graduate without a high school diploma -- it’s a big group -- lowest in the history of our country.”
This dataset has only be recorded since 1992, so Trump has no basis to claim the “history of our country.” The unemployment rate for high school dropouts reached a low of 5.0% in July 2018, but by the time Trump made this statement it had risen to 5.9%, a figure last reached in 2000.
Lowest in recorded history, and still better now than before the Trump administration.
4/15/19
“So we have low-income and distressed communities, and they’re getting a tremendous incentive to have a lot of money going to those communities. And it’s having a very, very big effect. It’s been great.”
The impact of the Opportunity Zones is not yet clear, according to the Tax Foundation. This is in part because key data collection requirements that would be needed to assess the progress were stripped from the final version of the bill.
It is difficult to tell at this stage. The White House says counties with a large presence of zones had annualized wage growth of 8% in Q2 and Q3 2018, and it says property values in zones have climbed 20%, citing Zillow data. So it’s a defendable claim even if there does need to be more examination.
3/28/19
“The economy is roaring.”
The economy appears to be slowing. The growth rate for the gross domestic product was 4.2% in the second quarter of 2018, 3.4% in the third quarter and 2.2% in the fourth quarter.
“Roaring” is subjective but not false with low unemployment, high GDP.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/washington-posts-10000-trump-untruths-is-about-25-fake-news-2019-04-29
 
 
 
Vic Eldred
1.6  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @1    3 months ago

Courier Journal- "LEFT-CENTER BIAS These media sources have a slight to moderate liberal bias.  They often publish factual information that utilizes loaded words (wording that attempts to [...]"

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/?s=courier+journal


I'd say it was the left wing media that told us 10,000 lies.

Some of the biggest woppers:

1) Trump conspired with the Russians

2) Hillary Clinton was innocent

3) The crisis on the border is manufactured

4) Michael Brown had his hands up

5) There is no spying on Americans (Barak Obama & the MSM)

6)  "Common Core provides your child with a quality, historically-accurate education."

7) "Several viral videos show the young men, nearly all of whom are white and wearing pro-Trump gear, chanting at and mocking the man on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial."

8) AG Barr mischaracterized the Mueller Report

9) "late-term abortions “mostly happen because of a serious fetal anomaly or for the health of the woman.”

10) The Steele Dossier was not used to get a FISA Warrant

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
2  Sean Treacy    3 months ago

Ironic  this story lies and mispresente the opinions of the Washington Post way to slur trump

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @2    3 months ago

"Lies" is a shorthand for lies, falsehoods , misstatements and Trumpian nonsense.   The "10,000" total does include reruns. In other words if he tells some lie about Hillary or something, and then he repeats the same lie a couple months later, it is counted twice, as it should be. 

There are numerous instances of Trump being corrected about a lie he told, and the correction being all over the news, and then at his next rally or unhinged rant he tells the same lie all over again. 

The reason why we are in a "war" in this country is because people like you want to normalize this travesty. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
2.1.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1    3 months ago

ies" is a shorthand for lies, 

The factchecker explicitly denies he's documented 10,000 "lies." 

"factchekcing" is PT Barnum's schtick for the 21st century. Sad anyone takes it seriously.  In this case, it's a liberal pundit dressing up his preferred opinions as "facts" and attacking an opponent for not putting his preferred spin on it.  There was an article the other week by an economist who examined the most recent 100 documented "lies" on the economy and found a significant number of Trump's statements were absolutely true or defensible. The factchecker simply didn't like the Trump didn't include the Democrats preferred spin.

One statement was about an executive order statement Trump issued. Trump accurately described the contents of the order, but the "factchecker" opined it was misleading because in a discussion about a Presidential act,  Trump didn't include derogatory information about his behavior as a private citizen before he was President.  Accurate statements count as lies in the bizarro liberal world.  

Any President or politician can be similarly attacked by a pundit from the opposing camp under these nonsensical standards.  Imagine the amount of "lies" Obama said if Michelle Malkin gets to decide if Obama put his statements in the proper context. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2.1.2  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @2.1.1    3 months ago

Sean, Trump is a pathological liar.   Pick up a biography of him from 20 or 30 years ago and you will see the same thing.  I don't care if it is 10,000 lies or 6,000 lies, he is a constant liar.  In a sane world, that would disqualify him to lead America. But you guys gave up on sanity when you nominated him for president. 

Trump tells lies even after they have been proven to be lies.  He repeats things that have already been publicly debunked. It's embarrassing for our country to have to watch this happening for four or five years. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
2.1.3  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.2    3 months ago

Stooping to calling accurate  statements lies isn't any better than what you accuse Trump of.

It's 2016 all over again, when you support a congenital liar, how can you be surprised others vote for a different liar? 

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
2.1.4  Freedom Warrior  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1    3 months ago
The reason why we are in a "war" in this country is because people like you want to normalize this travesty. 

That's another example of something I have been forced to accept as normal behavior in the leftist camp.  So often now when I witness Democrats accusing the opposition of something I can almost be certain they are engaging in that same behavior themselves.  The examples are just numerous to ignore anymore.

Accusations of racism, bigotry, hate, collusion, obstruction of justice, extremism, lying, underminging Democracy (yesterday's theme).  All of it could be summed up as PROJECTION.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2.1.5  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @2.1.3    3 months ago

You mouth the banalities of the discredited. 

Look at the writer of the seeded article. I don't know of him, but I doubt if he is a left winger. He is a columnist for a normal mainstream city newspaper, The Louisville Courier-Journal, a newspaper that is 150 years old and the largest news organization in Kentucky. 

His columns are often from a center left perspective but not radical or "leftist". He is a normal American. 

He sees the diseased nature of Trump and his presidency. As did all of the 5 or 6 books that exposed the daily dysfunction in Trump and his White House. 

I have accepted that we are in a war with Trumpism, and we have to see it as that and act accordingly. Good people need to take their country back from Trumpism. End of story. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
2.1.6  Tessylo  replied to  Freedom Warrior @2.1.4    3 months ago
'That's another example of something I have been forced to accept as normal behavior in the leftist camp.  So often now when I witness Democrats accusing the opposition of something I can almost be certain they are engaging in that same behavior themselves.  The examples are just numerous to ignore anymore. Accusations of racism, bigotry, hate, collusion, obstruction of justice, extremism, lying, underminging Democracy (yesterday's theme).  All of it could be summed up as PROJECTION.'

Which is exactly what the 'right' is guilty of.  PROJECTION

 
 
 
Tacos!
2.1.7  Tacos!  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1    3 months ago
The reason why we are in a "war" in this country is because people like you want to normalize this travesty. 

The Washington Post style response to this statement works like this:

Well, we aren't at war. No war has been declared by Congress and they are the only ones with the power to declare war. Therefore, you're lying.

Even if we were to accept the idea that "war" is used metaphorically to describe a conflict, that would imply that there are two clear sides which are in conflict with one another. However recent polls indicate a growing independent group in the electorate so if anyone is at war it may only be the extreme fringes of the Left and Right. It's simply not accurate to say "this country" is at war. And so, again, you are lying.

Finally, even if you want to accept the idea of a war, the phrasing "the reason why we are at war" strongly implies that this is the one and only reason why there is conflict and even a casual analysis could generate multiple reasons. Therefore, this is misleading and incomplete and you are lying.

That's three lies in just the one sentence. That's how the Washington Post Fact Checker works.

 
 
 
lib50
2.1.8  lib50  replied to  Sean Treacy @2.1.1    3 months ago

Try to compare the lies from Obama and Trump.   I look forward to that.  I've never in my life seen a person lie like Trump  Ever.  So get ready to research lies.  Since the gop has been going after dems for decades, I'm sure they have all the Obama material there is.  lol  have fun.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
2.1.9  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  lib50 @2.1.8    3 months ago
Try to compare the lies from Obama and Trump. 

You're just going to hear the "If you like your doctor, you can keep them" over and over and over. It's pretty much all they have. With Trump it's easier to list the rare instances of truth he's told than it is to try and detail his voluminous list of lies.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
2.1.10  Sean Treacy  replied to  lib50 @2.1.8    3 months ago

Try to compare the lies from Obama and Trump.  

When you define "lies" like liberal fact checkers do, it's easy. Just take any statement Obama makes on any subject and if he doesn't frame it exactly as how I would, he's lying. Pretty much every statement Obama ever made on the economy would be a "lie" under the standard the Post holds Trump to.

 
 
 
lib50
2.1.11  lib50  replied to  Sean Treacy @2.1.10    3 months ago

Lol, so, you've got nothin'.  Just want to throw out ..... another lie about Trump's lies. 

But feel free to leave out economic statements if you can't wade through it all.  Pick any area and compare.

 
 
 
KDMichigan
2.1.12  KDMichigan  replied to  lib50 @2.1.8    3 months ago

I will gladly take Trumps lies and booming economy over a socialist shill and a stagnant economy. Of course those that are takers would rather have a POS like obama  giving them handouts. FYI under President Trump people reliant on SNAP have declined by the millions from obama's  historically high numbers. Of course in the land of Unicorns farting rainbows that is a bad thing.

 
 
 
lib50
2.1.13  lib50  replied to  KDMichigan @2.1.12    3 months ago

Oh, look someone who forgot when Obama came into office and the deep recession he had to get us through.   Trump did nothing but jump on the Obama train.  You want to see what Trump really did?  Look at trade stats and the deficit after those tax cuts to the top.  I didn't post those but will if you want me to.

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net-job-creation-rolling-12-month-totals

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
2.1.14  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  KDMichigan @2.1.12    3 months ago
I will gladly take Trumps lies and booming economy over a socialist shill and a stagnant economy.

Stagnant: adjective - showing no activity

Under Obama we saw the GDP go from NEGATIVE 2.5% and when Obama left it was growing at +2.5% (with numerous over 4% growth quarters) which equals a +5% GDP change over 8 years. Since Trump has taken office the GDP has increased by .7% to 3.2% average.

The annual deficit handed to Obama was $1.4 TRILLION and he reduced it by 55%. Since Trump took office he's increased annual deficit spending by 40%.

National unemployment was 10.2% and Obama cut it to 4.7% before leaving office, a drop of 5.5%. Since trump took office unemployment has dropped 1.1%.

Now, I'm all for the continued success started under President Obama, but anyone who thinks the economy was "stagnant" during his two terms have their heads on backwards.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
2.1.15  Sean Treacy  replied to  lib50 @2.1.11    3 months ago
But feel free to leave out economic statements if you can't wade through it all.  Pi

I don't think you understand what's happening.

Let me make it very simple for you. The standard for "lying" employed by the Post means pretty much any statement can call be called a "lie,"even when factually accurate.  Thus pretty much any statement Obama made could be judged a lie if the pundit doing the judging prefers different context.

Here's an example:

Pick a statement where Barack Obama cherry picks a state about the economy when he was President.

Fact checker: Obama's cherry picked statement is technically true, but he left out that the economic recovery from the recession was the worst in American history since the Depression, so we give him 2 Pinocchios. 

If you can't see how fact checkers like the Post manipulate facts to claim someone is lying, you need to brush up on your critical reading skills. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
2.1.16  Sean Treacy  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @2.1.14    3 months ago
nyone who thinks the economy was "stagnant" during his two terms have their heads on backwards.

The worst "recovery" from a recession since the Great Depression.  Pre-Obama, the rule of thumb was the sharper the recession, the better the recovery.    An empty chair as President who did nothing would have generated better economic numbers. 

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
2.1.17  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Sean Treacy @2.1.16    3 months ago
The worst "recovery" from a recession since the Great Depression.

It was the worst recession since the Great depression. The whole bullshit idea of "Well the recovery should have been faster" is so fucking stupid it's truly mind blowing. A Republican President had run up our deficit and thrown $6 trillion in tax cuts to the top 1% falsely inflating the economy while essentially legalizing banks gambling with government guaranteed mortgagees, the economy tanked, the housing bubble burst and without the actions taken by the Obama administration things could have gotten much, much worse. But now we have ungrateful whiners, who strangely appear to be exclusively non-college graduate rural whites, complaining about how things didn't recover "fast enough" without a single fucking word of appreciation for a GDP not dropping like a stone like the Republican President had left it. I see the angry vitriol spit through near foaming mouths at Obama even now two years after his Presidency and I simply can't see how his actual record deserves such unreasoning hate. I can but conclude that it has far more to do with his surface than his substance.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
2.1.18  Jack_TX  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @2.1.17    3 months ago
It was the worst recession since the Great depression. The whole bullshit idea of "Well the recovery should have been faster" is so fucking stupid it's truly mind blowing.

Meh.  It could have been faster, but not much, and the slow and steady groundwork has been more beneficial.

A Republican President had run up our deficit and thrown $6 trillion in tax cuts to the top 1% falsely inflating the economy while essentially legalizing banks gambling with government guaranteed mortgagees, the economy tanked, the housing bubble burst and without the actions taken by the Obama administration things could have gotten much, much worse.

The legalized gambling was enabled under the Clinton Administration. Democrats shouted from the rafters that tax cuts don't stimulate the economy, and there is evidence to support that.  The Obama Administration acted wisely, but their initial actions continued the actions of the Bush Administration.

But now we have ungrateful whiners, who strangely appear to be exclusively non-college graduate rural whites, complaining about how things didn't recover "fast enough" without a single fucking word of appreciation for a GDP not dropping like a stone like the Republican President had left it.

In the same way we have emotional liberals unable to admit that any Democrat has ever made a mistake and thus attempt to recreate history to suit their "feelings".

I see the angry vitriol spit through near foaming mouths at Obama even now two years after his Presidency and I simply can't see how his actual record deserves such unreasoning hate. I can but conclude that it has far more to do with his surface than his substance.

A president cannot tell half the country to go fuck themselves and expect them to accept it.  That was true for Obama and it is true for Trump. 

 
 
 
MrFrost
2.1.19  MrFrost  replied to  Sean Treacy @2.1.10    3 months ago
When you define "lies" like liberal fact checkers do, it's easy.

You can try to spin "facts and lies" as being partisan, but reality is that lies are lies, and facts are fact.... Really not that hard...

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
2.1.20  Freedom Warrior  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @2.1.17    3 months ago

What that economic lilliputian obama did was create as many headwinds as he could for an economic recovery.  And we are still paying the price for his fukwadism.

 
 
 
lib50
2.1.21  lib50  replied to  Sean Treacy @2.1.15    3 months ago

You can't compare lies because you know how it will come out.  Maybe try not being simple next time making an inane little comparison about stats and look at bodies of lies.  Or compare Pinocchios.  You won't even try, and we all know why.   Go for it man, and don't keep it simple, make it real and substantial. 

 
 
 
XDm9mm
2.1.22  XDm9mm  replied to  lib50 @2.1.21    3 months ago
Go for it man, and don't keep it simple, make it real and substantial. 

You wouldn't understand.  I tried elsewhere.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
2.1.23  Sean Treacy  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @2.1.17    3 months ago

he whole bullshit idea of "Well the recovery should have been faster" is so fucking stupid it's truly mind blowing.

I'm sorry you find basic economic history "mind blowing."

ubble burst and without the actions taken by the Obama administration things could have gotten much, much worse

Don't be silly. The heavy lifting was done by the time Obama was sworn in.

hiners, who strangely appear to be exclusively non-college graduate rural whites, complaining about how things didn't recover "fast enough" 

Such anger and ignorance combined. You must be a delight at parties!

ow two years after his Presidency and I simply can't see how his actual record deserves such unreasoning hate.

Pointing out facts is unreasoning hate?  Wow

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
2.1.24  Sean Treacy  replied to  MrFrost @2.1.19    3 months ago

You can try to spin "facts and lies" as being partisan, but reality is that lies are lies, and facts are fact.... Really not that hard..

I'm not spinning anything. The fact checker himself admits that he will interpret facts as being "misleading" which in turn gets spun by liberals as "lies."

 
 
 
ArkansasHermit-too
2.1.25  ArkansasHermit-too  replied to  Freedom Warrior @2.1.20    3 months ago
What that economic lilliputian obama did was create as many headwinds as he could for an economic recovery.  And we are still paying the price for his fukwadism.

Instead of kissing Trumps wide butt, for no rational reason, you should be kicking it and asking him "Why the hell aren't you doing as well as that good President we had who I despised so much?!!  You're making my 8 years of vitriolic hate just look stupid!"

Trump tracker: How his first two years have gone - in eight graphics

How has the economy fared under Trump?

During the campaign, Mr Trump vowed to create 25 million jobs over 10 years and become "the greatest jobs president... ever".

He used to claim the actual unemployment rate was more than 40%. Now he's America's CEO, he's embracing the same jobless figures he once dismissed as "phony".

Those figures do show, though, that job creation under Mr Trump during his first two years in office fell slightly when compared to President Obama's final two.

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However, the basic trajectory of the economy under President Trump remains the same as it was under President Obama - the unemployment rate is historically low and wages are growing at a faster rate in recent months.

But there are some concerns for Mr Trump. Global economic growth is down and his decision to start a trade war with China led to retaliatory tariffs on US goods worth hundreds of billions of dollars.

The president has been quick to take credit for booming stock markets over the past couple of years, but they have started to wobble in recent weeks.

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US job growth remains strong and steady in April

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As for the political implications, Donald Trump has now been in office for 27 full months – February 2017 through April 2019 – and in that time, the economy has created 5.4 million jobs. In the 27 full months preceding Trump’s presidency – November 2014 to January 2017 – the economy created 5.85 million jobs. The White House has not yet offered an explanation for why job growth has slowed since Trump took office.
 
 
 
Jack_TX
2.1.26  Jack_TX  replied to  ArkansasHermit-too @2.1.25    3 months ago
You're making my 8 years of vitriolic hate just look stupid!"

Vitriolic hate tends to be stupid.   That doesn't change depending on who lives in the WH.

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
2.1.27  Freedom Warrior  replied to  ArkansasHermit-too @2.1.25    3 months ago

 Not sure what your point is but clearly there’s nothing you can do to refute what I have said, so are you in business and did you have to deal with the fukwadism that Obummer laid down like I have. 

 
 
 
Sunshine
3  Sunshine    3 months ago

The daily red meat article.

Where is the list of the 10,000 lies?

 
 
 
 
Sunshine
3.1.1  Sunshine  replied to  katrix @3.1    3 months ago

WAPO is very generous on what they determine to be lies.  How surprising coming from a bias publication!

Where they this ambitious for Obama?

 
 
 
Tessylo
3.1.2  Tessylo  replied to  katrix @3.1    3 months ago

Always asking for links then disputing the links.  Typical.  

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
3.1.3  Freedom Warrior  replied to  Sunshine @3.1.1    3 months ago

Just about everyday the DNC coordinates their messaging with the various pundits and media outlets, and quite often the message is untruthful.

There is simply no reason to believe anything but what actually occurs in the political realm anymore.

 

 
 
 
Sunshine
3.1.4  Sunshine  replied to  Freedom Warrior @3.1.3    3 months ago
Just about everyday the DNC coordinates their messaging with the various pundits and media outlets,

Yep, repeated verbatim by the puppets.  

 
 
 
Tacos!
3.1.5  Tacos!  replied to  katrix @3.1    3 months ago

I love how they call it a database. So scientific!

 
 
 
lib50
3.1.6  lib50  replied to  Sunshine @3.1.4    3 months ago

Putin's puppets? 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
3.2  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Sunshine @3    3 months ago
The daily red meat article.

The daily bizarre denial. 

 
 
 
Sunshine
3.2.1  Sunshine  replied to  JohnRussell @3.2    3 months ago
The daily bizarre denial.

Yes it is.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
3.2.2  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @3.2    3 months ago

He still hasn't told as many lies as HRC and BO!

Not to mention Pelosi, Schumer, and all the rest of dem gang of fools.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
3.2.3  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Sunshine @3.2.1    3 months ago

Since you are the one in denial you should know. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
3.2.4  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Greg Jones @3.2.2    3 months ago

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Sunshine
3.2.5  Sunshine  replied to  JohnRussell @3.2.3    3 months ago
Since you are the one in denial you should know.

Anyone who clings to articles like this on a daily basis is certainly suffering from denialism. jrSmiley_10_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
JohnRussell
3.2.6  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Sunshine @3.2.5    3 months ago
Anyone who clings to articles like this on a daily basis is certainly suffering from denialism.

Pitiful. 

 
 
 
lib50
3.2.7  lib50  replied to  Greg Jones @3.2.2    3 months ago

I just challenged Sean to prove that.  Now you can too.    Give examples of all those people and their lies, then do Trump.  We can do Trump first if you want, get the ball rolling.  But these flippant accusations about dems as you minimize and ignore daily Trump lies is over.  Put it out for us to see. 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
3.3  Trout Giggles  replied to  Sunshine @3    3 months ago

Do you actually have the time to read all 10,000? I thought you were a busy working mom

 
 
 
lib50
3.3.1  lib50  replied to  Trout Giggles @3.3    3 months ago

I don't think any of them do (like Barr didn't want to read back up evidence in Mueller's report).  They know what they'll find so they prefer to throw out more lies about the other side, those false equivalencies thrown out instead.  They all seem to ignore what Trump actually says and does and try to tell everyone what 'he really means' or some other Trumpsplain.  

 
 
 
MrFrost
3.4  MrFrost  replied to  Sunshine @3    3 months ago

You should learn to use google. All of them are out there, just look.. 

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
4  Freedom Warrior    3 months ago

So don't believe anything he says.  It certainly hasn't had any impact on me.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
4.1  Jack_TX  replied to  Freedom Warrior @4    3 months ago
So don't believe anything he says.  It certainly hasn't had any impact on me.

I don't understand how this isn't the most obvious thing in the world.  I also don't understand the whole thing where people tattle on him hourly like we're all in 2nd grade or something.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
4.1.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Jack_TX @4.1    3 months ago

I dont understand people who PRETEND that having a president who has lied to the public 10,000 times is acceptable. 

 
 
 
Jack_TX
4.1.2  Jack_TX  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.1    3 months ago
I dont understand people who PRETEND that having a president who has lied to the public 10,000 times is acceptable.

For all of your tattling and declaring things "unacceptable"... do tell us all what difference that has made.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
4.1.3  Tessylo  replied to  Jack_TX @4.1    3 months ago

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Greg Jones
4.1.4  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.1    3 months ago

We're not pretending John, we simply don't care.

Nothing you prattle on about here has ever made a bit of differenece in the scheme of things, or changed any hearts or minds.

Perhaps if you could calm down and learn to discuss things on a more rational and mature level, we might be more willing to listen to you.

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
4.1.5  Freedom Warrior  replied to  Tessylo @4.1.3    3 months ago

Of course not.  See how it works is, you don't believe anything they say, you only believe what they actually do.  That's a practice that has worked for decades for me.

For example, when Democrats speak, I know they are full of shit so why would I believe anything they say?  I don't and when they try to ram things up my azz as they routinely do here in CA, then I know to take action.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
4.1.6  Greg Jones  replied to  Tessylo @4.1.3    3 months ago
Well when the turd tells a lie on an hourly basis, we shouldn't note it?

Well, why do you listen to him hour after hour. That's just fucking ridiculous. jrSmiley_88_smiley_image.gif

Most of us got more important things to do.

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
4.1.7  Freedom Warrior  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.1    3 months ago

Refer to the expression...

Actions Speak Louder Than Words

 
 
 
JohnRussell
4.1.8  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Greg Jones @4.1.4    3 months ago

Greg your comments are the landfill of Newstalkers. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
4.1.9  Tessylo  replied to  Freedom Warrior @4.1.5    3 months ago

Take action?

How so?

Who has been trying to ram things up your ass?  Have you notified the authorities?

 
 
 
Jack_TX
4.1.10  Jack_TX  replied to  Tessylo @4.1.3    3 months ago
Well when the turd tells a lie on an hourly basis, we shouldn't note it?

If that's how you want to spend your time....you go right ahead.  Out of curiosity, are there other hourly occurrences that you feel the need to tell everybody about?   Things like a Kardashian buying more shoes or an NFL player getting arrested or a Taylor Swift song on the radio, a cow chewing cud?  

 
 
 
Tessylo
4.1.11  Tessylo  replied to  Jack_TX @4.1.10    3 months ago

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cjcold
4.1.12  cjcold  replied to  Greg Jones @4.1.4    3 months ago

Rational and mature are diametrically the opposite of everything Trump. [deleted]

 
 
 
lib50
4.1.13  lib50  replied to  Greg Jones @4.1.4    3 months ago

You sure seem to care when nobody believes Trump or you when you repeat his lies.  When somebody lies that much, nothing coming from those lips is believed.  I hear complaints of being called a liar, but what do you call somebody who repeats lies?  Trump lying might be more important to everybody if they knew why we don't believe squat from anybody who 'doesn't care'.    I'll be damned if I let lying become normal.  Its not.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
4.1.14  Jack_TX  replied to  Tessylo @4.1.11    3 months ago

You're doing that thing where you can't find an intelligent reply so you make your cute little faces.  Awww....  Isn't that sweet.

I'll consider that your concession.

 
 
 
Tessylo
4.1.16  Tessylo  replied to  Jack_TX @4.1.14    3 months ago

Nothing more to say when you spew such nonsense 

 
 
 
MrFrost
4.1.17  MrFrost  replied to  Greg Jones @4.1.4    3 months ago
We're not pretending John, we simply don't care.

So if trump tells you to go shoot up a church, you'll do it? 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
4.2  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Freedom Warrior @4    3 months ago

Thats your problem. 

If Trump drowned babies in his bath tub it wouldnt personally effect you either. 

You will accept a "leader" who lies, to the public,  an average of 12 times a day. Pathetic. 

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
4.2.1  Freedom Warrior  replied to  JohnRussell @4.2    3 months ago

I don't believe anything you say and guess what,  it has no impact on me either.  So it's not really a problem for me is it JR.

 
 
 
Tessylo
4.2.2  Tessylo  replied to  Freedom Warrior @4.2.1    3 months ago

You believe what the turd says and that's not a problem for me either Oliver.  

 
 
 
Jack_TX
4.2.3  Jack_TX  replied to  JohnRussell @4.2    3 months ago
You will accept a "leader" who lies, to the public,  an average of 12 times a day. Pathetic. 

So you don't "accept" him.  Right.  

What difference does that actually make?

 
 
 
Greg Jones
4.2.4  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @4.2    3 months ago
If Trump drowned babies in his bath tub it wouldnt personally effect you either

You're just trolling now. What's pathetic is you're spending so much energy wasting so much time on this non issue.

Sad....

 
 
 
JohnRussell
4.2.5  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Greg Jones @4.2.4    3 months ago

You have made dozens of comments on this forum. I doubt if any of them required any thought. 

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
4.2.6  Freedom Warrior  replied to  JohnRussell @4.2    3 months ago
If Trump drowned babies in his bath tub it wouldnt personally effect you either. 

Keep in mind that it's the abortion enthusiasts who don't seem to have a problem with that scenario whereas we can find examples of Dem leaders who are proponents of similar outcomes that don't have any problem with that reality.

 
 
 
cjcold
4.2.7  cjcold  replied to  Freedom Warrior @4.2.6    3 months ago
abortion enthusiasts

What the hell is an abortion enthusiast?  Who wants to get pregnant just to have an abortion?

Shit happens, and only far right wing extremists don't allow women to control their own bodies. 

 
 
 
cjcold
4.2.8  cjcold  replied to  Freedom Warrior @4.2.6    3 months ago

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cjcold
4.2.9  cjcold  replied to  cjcold @4.2.8    3 months ago

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lib50
4.2.10  lib50  replied to  Jack_TX @4.2.3    3 months ago

It sure seems to make a difference to his supporters when they get called liars for repeating his lies, and they are dismissed because they don't know real from lie (apparently).  I consider honesty and trust at the top of my list, and I wonder wtf is at the top of yours? 

 
 
 
Jack_TX
4.2.11  Jack_TX  replied to  lib50 @4.2.10    3 months ago
It sure seems to make a difference to his supporters when they get called liars for repeating his lies, and they are dismissed because they don't know real from lie (apparently).

I dunno.  I don't pay much attention to them.  Most people I know who voted for Trump held their nose while doing so, so I don't consider them "supporters".  I have one friend who is as rabid a Trump supporter as some of my liberal friends are Trump haters.  They are all actually very similar, in that their emotions control them utterly.

  I consider honesty and trust at the top of my list, and I wonder wtf is at the top of yours? 

Pragmatism.   I would like it very much if the POTUS only said things that were 100% truthful and accurate.  But no POTUS ever has, so I stopped expecting it. 

Meanwhile, the economy is good, almost everybody has a job, wages are rising, and savings are rising.  Bills are getting paid and kids are being raised. Millennials are starting to have families and buy houses and otherwise become real adults.  College attendance is at an all-time high.  I can have pretty much anything in the world delivered to my door within 72 hours.  Even Americans living in abject poverty have air conditioning and big screen TVs.  In another 15 years, my electric car will drive me cross country while I nap in the back seat.

Why on earth would I let a Donald Trump tweet concern me in the slightest? 

 
 
 
lib50
4.2.12  lib50  replied to  Jack_TX @4.2.11    3 months ago
Why on earth would I let a Donald Trump tweet concern me in the slightest? 

Because he represents you.  And me.  And all Americans.   I consider trust important, and you can't trust a pathological liar.  Not one thing he says is believed by the world.  I consider it important.  Character is important.   Trump is the antithesis of every positive character trait.  And his supporters want to pass laws to protect their values over our personal rights?   It seems pretty damn pertinent to me. 

 
 
 
Jack_TX
4.2.13  Jack_TX  replied to  lib50 @4.2.12    3 months ago
Because he represents you.  And me.  And all Americans.

To whom?  Why do you care?

  I consider trust important, and you can't trust a pathological liar.  Not one thing he says is believed by the world.

Probably not.

  I consider it important.

Why?  How does it matter to your daily life if some dry cleaner in Buenos Aires doesn't believe what Donald Trump says?  Short answer...it doesn't.  You can't stand Trump and you're grasping at straws trying to prove to yourself things are as bad as you want to believe they are.

  Character is important.

Clearly it isn't, or we would elect people with it.  We don't, and that's not limited to Trump.

   Trump is the antithesis of every positive character trait.  And his supporters want to pass laws to protect their values over our personal rights?   It seems pretty damn pertinent to me. 

How are his lies pertinent to proposed legislation?  They're not.  You can't pretend he never tells the truth and then choose to believe what he says when it's convenient.

 
 
 
MrFrost
4.2.14  MrFrost  replied to  Freedom Warrior @4.2.6    3 months ago
abortion enthusiasts

Can you name even ONE woman who is an, "abortion enthusiast"? I am honestly not sure what that even means.. 

 
 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
4.2.16  Freedom Warrior  replied to  MrFrost @4.2.14    3 months ago
I am honestly not sure what that even means.. 

Definition of enthusiast

: a person filled with enthusiasm: such as
a : one who is ardently attached to a cause, object, or pursuit a sports car enthusiast
b : one who tends to become ardently absorbed in an interest
 
 
 
lib50
4.2.17  lib50  replied to  Freedom Warrior @4.2.16    3 months ago

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Freedom Warrior
4.2.18  Freedom Warrior  replied to  lib50 @4.2.17    3 months ago

Not true, but that's certainly a tactic out of the left wing playbook that people aren't falling for anymore.

I saw this on you tube.  Maybe it will resonate with you.

"Republicans are always trying to push religion in our faces.  We reject their bigotry.  Religioius people are idiots.  Democrats would much rather you sacrifice yourself on the altar of progressivism."

"The truth is, as a party of empathy, we are just better than everyone else. That's why we spend so much time telling people who don't align with our agenda, that they're not just wrong, but they're bad people."

 
 
 
lib50
4.2.19  lib50  replied to  Freedom Warrior @4.2.18    3 months ago

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luther28
5  luther28    3 months ago

With his 10,000 lies, President Trump is the most dishonest politician ever

Well at least he can finally have what he has craved for so long, to actually be the best at something. Although I am sure there were no lack of competitors, the many tongues of Mr. Trump overcame the pretenders to the throne.

He got his win.

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
5.1  Freedom Warrior  replied to  luther28 @5    3 months ago
President Trump is the most dishonest politician ever

Of course that is most likely a lie as well.  So can we move on now to reality?

 
 
 
Tessylo
5.1.1  Tessylo  replied to  Freedom Warrior @5.1    3 months ago
'Of course that is most likely a lie as well.'
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r.t..b...
5.1.2  r.t..b...  replied to  Freedom Warrior @5.1    3 months ago
So can we move on now to reality?

The reality being, he displays behavior you wouldn't accept in your children. The lying, the bullying, the blatant disrespect for women, the handicapped, and any who dare call him out for his behavior. Dismiss that as you and so many have, but that is just not possible for the many others who expect a modicum of grace, eloquence, and empathy from our President. Cue the tired and stale references to the past or how effective he has been in mirroring your agenda, but we are moving on to today's reality... he is a boor, nothing more, nothing less.

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
5.1.3  Freedom Warrior  replied to  r.t..b... @5.1.2    3 months ago

That's another example of something I have been forced to accept as normal behavior in the leftist camp.  So often now when I witness Democrats accusing the opposition of something I can almost be certain they are engaging in that same behavior themselves. 

Accusations of racism, bigotry, hate, collusion, mysogyny, bullying, disrespect, obstruction of justice, extremism, lying, underminging Democracy (yesterday's theme) and partisan violence.  All of it could be summed up as PROJECTION based on objective analysis.

So you think he's a boor, there far worse things in this life and that's the Hobbesian choice one must face.

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
5.1.4  Freedom Warrior  replied to  r.t..b... @5.1.2    3 months ago

 Except it's not so much of a choice when ...

Actions Speak Louder Than Words.

 
 
 
luther28
5.1.5  luther28  replied to  Freedom Warrior @5.1    3 months ago

So can we move on now to reality?

Unfortunately, this is it.

As an aside, Mr. Trump has been a liar for some time, his Presidency has only allowed him to develop it into an art form.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
5.1.6  Jack_TX  replied to  r.t..b... @5.1.2    3 months ago
The reality being, he displays behavior you wouldn't accept in your children.

The reality being that he's not my child, I have less control over what he says than I have over the mosquitos in my back yard...who matter more than the things he says.

Either he's a liar....or you should worry about what he says.  Taking a liar at his word is folly.

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
5.1.7  Freedom Warrior  replied to  luther28 @5.1.5    3 months ago

You do realize that becoming elected President is essentially a contest to determine who is the best liar in the political realm.

In that regard, the only thing that matters is what they actually do.  A lesson to be learned for many.

 
 
 
r.t..b...
5.1.8  r.t..b...  replied to  Freedom Warrior @5.1.3    3 months ago
All of it could be summed up as PROJECTION based on objective analysis.

Or more accurately rank deflection based on partisan agenda. Your disdain for the 'leftist camp' is so strong, you have aligned yourself with a demonstrably despicable figurehead in a desperate effort to cling to the status quo. The inevitability of change, based on objective analysis, has you shaking in your boots.

 
 
 
luther28
5.1.9  luther28  replied to  Freedom Warrior @5.1.7    3 months ago

I expect a certain level of pie in the sky lies from most politicians, it is the nature of the beast so to say. What we have seen over the course of Mr. Trumps brief political life has reached the point of lying for the sake of lying.

Sorry but our President has become the Liar in Chief.

 
 
 
r.t..b...
5.1.10  r.t..b...  replied to  Jack_TX @5.1.6    3 months ago
Either he's a liar....or you should worry about what he says.

Clever premise, but not mutually exclusive. He is a serial liar to be sure, and as POTUS, everything he says should be worrisome to any who hold dear the promise of truth and justice as foundations of our Republic. 

 
 
 
Jack_TX
5.1.11  Jack_TX  replied to  r.t..b... @5.1.10    3 months ago
everything he says should be worrisome to any who hold dear the promise of truth and justice as foundations of our Republic.

Nonsense. 

It's a republic.  He's not the emperor.  

He's also not the first president to tell some whoppers.  How come it wasn't a national emergency until now?

Further, the lies are not what people find most objectionable.  It's the rare unhappy truths that get the most attention.  People don't like being told what they don't want to hear, especially if it's true.

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
5.1.12  Freedom Warrior  replied to  r.t..b... @5.1.8    3 months ago

There we go, another example of projection.

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
5.1.13  Freedom Warrior  replied to  luther28 @5.1.9    3 months ago
Sorry but our President has become the Liar in Chief.

So it's just about the lies you like versus the ones you don't like.   Again, don't need to believe any of it do you.   What actually occurs is reality. 

 
 
 
cjcold
5.1.14  cjcold  replied to  Freedom Warrior @5.1.3    3 months ago

So a Russian bot defends Trump with whataboutism. How typical.

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luther28
5.1.15  luther28  replied to  Freedom Warrior @5.1.13    3 months ago

No I do not care for them regardless of the source, but from a politician we seem to have accepted it as normal.

If you choose to defend it, then by all means press on.

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
5.1.16  Freedom Warrior  replied to  luther28 @5.1.15    3 months ago

What defense?   I don't believe any of these bastards. I might support eliminating them all in fact. Even more I hate government.  Do you support the government?   

If so, that should be a crime. 

 
 
 
lib50
5.1.17  lib50  replied to  Freedom Warrior @5.1    3 months ago
 So can we move on now to reality?

You have to accept that reality before we can move on, mate.  Still waiting. 

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
5.1.18  Freedom Warrior  replied to  lib50 @5.1.17    3 months ago

You can try playing catch up.

 
 
 
Tacos!
6  Tacos!    3 months ago
The Washington Post has documented more than 10,000 times

It's science so you must accept it as true! 

Maybe the only egos more inflated than Trump of Jim Acosta is that of the people who run the so-called "fact checker" at the Washington Post. The very name "fact checker" is a lie.

 
 
 
It Is ME
6.1  It Is ME  replied to  Tacos! @6    3 months ago

The media KNOWS the "GAME".

Report something.....ANYTHING.....then throw in the name "Fact Checker" reporting facts, after the fact.

Everyone believes Self "Fact Checkers". jrSmiley_87_smiley_image.gif

After all.... Those Self "Checkers" of "Facts", Know everything ….. Before they didn't. jrSmiley_30_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Sunshine
6.1.1  Sunshine  replied to  It Is ME @6.1    3 months ago
Everyone believes Self "Fact Checkers".

Those who refuse to think for themselves.  

 
 
 
It Is ME
6.1.2  It Is ME  replied to  Sunshine @6.1.1    3 months ago
Those who refuse to think for themselves.  

kinda like the Liberal senators and Liberal house representatives that actually think it's smart to note: "Well, The New York Times said"...….. when questioning someone in front of them. WTF ! jrSmiley_32_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
cjcold
6.1.3  cjcold  replied to  It Is ME @6.1.2    3 months ago

The NYT unlike Fox is a reputable source. Fox is all far right wing lies, propaganda and innuendo.

 
 
 
It Is ME
6.1.4  It Is ME  replied to  cjcold @6.1.3    3 months ago
The NYT unlike Fox is a reputable source.

Sure ! jrSmiley_79_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
6.1.5  Freedom Warrior  replied to  cjcold @6.1.3    3 months ago

 That’s the position of an extremist 

 
 
 
cjcold
6.2  cjcold  replied to  Tacos! @6    3 months ago

And we all know that the far right wing hates fact checks for obvious reasons. The truth is not in the far right wing.

 
 
 
luther28
6.3  luther28  replied to  Tacos! @6    3 months ago
The very name "fact checker" is a lie.

Do not need the Washington Post, Fact Checker or the NYT, Mr. Trumps lies are a matter of audio and visual history, right there to hear and see.

I have seen him change stories during the same interview, lying in real time is fairly difficult to ignore.

 
 
 
cjcold
6.3.1  cjcold  replied to  luther28 @6.3    3 months ago

How is it 'fake news' when we see him say it on the 10:00 news?

 
 
 
luther28
6.3.2  luther28  replied to  cjcold @6.3.1    3 months ago

As I mentioned I have seen him switch stories during the same interview. The only fake news is that which does not acknowledge, well let us call them Mr. Trumps short comings.

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
7  Thrawn 31    3 months ago

I just disregard anything that fat sack of shit says. [Removed]

 
 
 
Don Overton
8  Don Overton    3 months ago

Hey Fish it had great value.  

There is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcised nor uncircumcised, . . . slave nor free, but Christ is all and in all. —

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Today's Scripture:

A Washington Post article reported that recent studies into the nature of prejudice found that almost everyone harbors biases, and these attitudes affect even those who actively resist them. A University of Kentucky psychologist says that much of our self-esteem comes from feeling better about ourselves than about others because of the group we belong to. Prejudice is not easy to overcome, even within the family of God.

Paul’s words to the believers at Colosse instruct us today, saying that our speech and behavior toward fellow Christians should reflect our oneness in Christ. “[You] have put on the new man,” Paul said, “where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcised nor uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave nor free, but Christ is all and in all” (Col. 3:10-11). Instead of superiority and favoritism, we should demonstrate compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness, and patience toward each other (v.12). And above all, we are to “put on love, which is the bond of perfection” (v.14).

In the body of Christ, no race, nationality, or class is better than another. Through the cross, Christ has made us one, and we are to treat each other with honesty, dignity, and love.

 
 
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