At the Altar of the Gun: High School Shootings and the Sin of Blood Atonement

  
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At the Altar of the Gun: High School Shootings and the Sin of Blood Atonement
On a recent trip to Honduras, I visited the ruins of an ancient Mayan culture. I saw the temple, and just outside it, the altar where they used to make human sacrifices to the sun god. Several times a year, they would round up a group of tributes and slaughter them on this stone. They believed that offering up a human life would save them from the scorching rage of their deity, instead yielding rain, crops and abundance.

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Last night, my 8-year-old sat down with an atlas and an open browser and decided where he’s going to live when he grows up (Nashville); where he’s going to college (Vanderbilt); and what he’s going to major in (mechanical engineering and baseball). He wants to invent things and solve global problems. I know he’s little and might change his mind a few dozen times. Then again, maybe not. Either way, he’s got many paths wide open to him, he’s enthusiastic about everything, and any way he goes, it will be fun to watch.

As he excitedly researched his future, I had one of those overwhelming grateful mom moments—at the miracle of this kid, and the utterly confounding wonder that I get to be his mom. Within all that, I also held a deep sadness for a mother in Colorado who had all that taken away from her yesterday. All of her dreams for her child, gone. Any number of imagined futures, vanished on the wind. Another day in America, another kid killed at school.

On a recent trip to Honduras, I visited the ruins of an ancient Mayan culture. I saw the temple, and just outside it, the altar where they used to make human sacrifices to the sun god. Several times a year, they would round up a group of tributes and slaughter them on this stone. They believed that offering up a human life would save them from the scorching rage of their deity, instead yielding rain, crops and abundance. They would intentionally offer up the “best” of the community—the smartest, the strongest, the best athletes—because, as our tour guide noted, what kind of god would want the losers?

That sounds insane to us, right? Totally bonkers. Who would do that??

And yet … in the 20 years since Columbine, there have been 230 school shootings in the United States. Well. 231 now. When we look at those numbers, I don’t know how we can scoff at the insanity of an ancient ritual—that custom is really no crazier than the wealthiest country in the world letting nearly 3,000 kids die by gun violence every year—many of them at school.

Every child killed in a school shooting is a sacrifice to the god of the gun, at the church of the NRA. I’m not talking in metaphor. Our masses of dead children are a literal, actual blood sacrifice. Like the Mayans of Copan, we somehow figure that the death of these children is the price we must pay for our twisted notion of freedom; some capitalist orgy of abundance that can only come to pass when the bounty of this great land is protected by civilian artillery.

It’s nuts. But we keep doing it. Marching the kids off to school like lambs to the slaughter, where their underpaid teachers double as human shields. Where they have a greater chance of dying by violence than in any other country in the developed world.

And still, the guns themselves are protected with religious fervor.

It’s easy enough to blame the NRA. Or the gun manufacturers and investors, or anybody that profits from the industry. We can blame politicians, whose cowardice and fealty to the gun lobby continues to block common-sense legislation that most Americans support. But there’s a hard truth we rarely name:

The Church also plays a role.

“Blood atonement,” or sacrificial atonement, is the idea that Jesus had to die to somehow save us from the wrath of God. This dangerous notion lies at the heart of popular Christianity; and as the Christian narrative has shaped our nation’s culture in many ways, this problematic theology may be found at the root of many of our shared evils. For instance, our attachment to the death penalty, even when all other civilized nations have evolved past the barbaric practice. Or in the idea of corporal punishment, the once popular and still accepted idea that a child might somehow be saved by violent discipline.

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Our love of war might be traced back to the same doctrine; our belief that might makes right, and our ability to so often justify force over diplomacy. We can also cite the many-layered issues within our criminal justice system, one that is rooted more in retribution than restoration. Within all of these greater social issues, we find imbedded the same notion of God as raging tyrant—not a loving, nurturing creator, but a callous deity demanding blood, blood, and more blood … in return for the gift of NOT damning us to eternal hellfire.

If you believe in a God that needs blood sacrifice in order to preserve your soul from hell, then perhaps you are more comfortable with student lives being the “cost” of a nation’s freedom. I doubt most folks would make that connection at a conscious level, but it is beneath the surface and at work in our shared narrative.

When Church has been made comfortable by its place at the center of things, those inside it too rarely question the narratives and images we’ve been given. The Church was meant to exist at the margins, and to challenge the empire. Instead, it has set up shop in the heart of capitalism, adopting the same measures of worth, the same secular parameters of “justice.” But the notion of a punishing God is not entirely biblical, nor is a transactional understanding of atonement. Like many of our misguided western Christian notions, it comes from a surface reading of a few choice scriptures, taken out of context of the wider gospel. It is not a true reporting on who God is; nor of who we are meant to be.

But we keep coming back to this altar. Believing somehow that the cost of freedom is more blood, more death. If we can’t see how twisted that is, or how closely linked our backward theology is to our violent wreck of a social system, then we need to go back to the beginning of something and start over.

Of course, it’s not that easy. We can’t go back. There is no unwinding this carnage; no gifting the babies killed in American classrooms back to their broken parents. There is no worthy apology.

But maybe there can be atonement.

As in so many other instances where the Church has done great harm, the Church also has power to do great healing and transformation. In fact, we have a responsibility to do so. To dig deeper, to ask harder questions; to live for complicated relationships and not easy answers. We are called to put our faith to work around advocacy and action; organizing for change that will reduce guns from their idol status to the inanimate objects that they are. The Christian community has not historically shown up for this fight. As people who claim to follow a revolutionary nonviolent savior, it’s time to change that. But first, we’ll have to reclaim a nonviolent gospel.

The sins of the past cannot be undone, but maybe atonement is possible. Once we learn that true restoration, and the true love of God, comes not with more blood—but with much, much less.

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Bob Nelson
1  seeder  Bob Nelson    2 months ago
Every child killed in a school shooting is a sacrifice to the god of the gun, at the church of the NRA.

I’m not talking in metaphor.

Our masses of dead children are a literal, actual blood sacrifice.
 
 
 
Drakkonis
1.1  Drakkonis  replied to  Bob Nelson @1    2 months ago

Um, actually, it is a metaphor. Anyone with a working brain can see that. Stating that it is not a metaphor doesn't make it true. Still a metaphor. But if only that was all this article was. If only it were only a metaphor given in order to bring about an actual truth. It isn't. It's pretty much a lie from beginning to end. A lie that uses emotion to lead one to accept what is obviously not true so that we can feel good and righteous about believing the lie. 

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
1.1.1  seeder  Bob Nelson  replied to  Drakkonis @1.1    2 months ago

No. Not a metaphor. A metaphor does not kill.

The children are dead.

Our masses of dead children are a literal, actual blood sacrifice.
 
 
 
Sparty On
1.1.2  Sparty On  replied to  Bob Nelson @1.1.1    2 months ago
A metaphor does not kill.

Neither does a gun.

 
 
 
r.t..b...
1.1.3  r.t..b...  replied to  Sparty On @1.1.2    2 months ago
Neither does a gun.

But in the hands of those who are intent, the most lethal end to justify their wicked means. Let us address the mental health aspect of course, but not at the exclusion of addressing the simplicity in accessing the tools of the trade. Any responsible gun owner should not balk at a legislated waiting period, should not balk at legislated safety training, should not balk at having to purchase their weapon from a federally regulated dealer. Small steps to be sure, but ones that cause no demonstrable hardship and may prevent even one disaster. Just a thought.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
1.1.4  Greg Jones  replied to  r.t..b... @1.1.3    2 months ago
The problem is, it is not the responsible gun owners who are the problem. Any person intent on a mass killing spree will not be stopped by such "small steps" Why is so hard for some people to accept the reality of this truth???

 
 
 
Gordy327
1.1.5  Gordy327  replied to  Sparty On @1.1.2    2 months ago

Unless the gun is used to seriously pistachio whip someone. But it's the bullet that kills.

 
 
 
r.t..b...
1.1.6  r.t..b...  replied to  Greg Jones @1.1.4    2 months ago
Why is so hard for some people to accept the reality of this truth???

And conversely, why is is so hard for some people to understand that that reality is unacceptable. Every country has mentally imbalanced individuals and some have had to endure the horror of a 'mass killing spree', but no country experiences the carnage on a scale or the frequency as does ours. If we can't agree on that, than those sacrificed are but collateral damage in some warped fealty to a freedom that should come with greater responsibility.

 
 
 
Sparty On
1.1.7  Sparty On  replied to  r.t..b... @1.1.3    2 months ago

The devil is in the details and in many cases, the devil is writing the legislation.   For the most part, I'm basically for all of that in concept.   I just know many of the people writing the laws aren't.   Not really.   They can't be trusted to not "weaponize" any new guns laws against law abiding gun owners.   No matter how hard any of you try to spin it.    And of course the little detail about criminals not caring in the least about the any new guns laws.   Details, details ....

The devil is in the details.

 
 
 
Sparty On
1.1.8  Sparty On  replied to  Gordy327 @1.1.5    2 months ago

Nope, bullets don't kill either.

 
 
 
Gordy327
1.1.9  Gordy327  replied to  Sparty On @1.1.8    2 months ago

When they enter the body, they generally do.

 
 
 
Sparty On
1.1.10  Sparty On  replied to  Gordy327 @1.1.9    2 months ago

How do they enter the body?

 
 
 
XDm9mm
1.1.11  XDm9mm  replied to  Gordy327 @1.1.9    2 months ago
When they enter the body, they generally do.

Not really.   If they strike a vital organ, possibly.  But 'generally' is a gross exaggeration.

 
 
 
Gordy327
1.1.12  Gordy327  replied to  Sparty On @1.1.10    2 months ago
How do they enter the body?

By a gun. So in effect, guns do kill people.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
1.1.13  XDm9mm  replied to  Gordy327 @1.1.12    2 months ago
By a gun.

Not all the time.

While OCONUS, I was at one facility where a local laborer found what he thought was a dud DHsK (pronounced like 'dishka') (12.7x108mm roughly the equivalent of a .50cal) round and he commenced to pounding it in the head of a tool to use it as a wedge to keep the tool on the handle.

Well, long story short, it went off.  Fortunately for him, the case also exploded so a lot of energy was lost, but the bullet still flew down, hit a rock and ricocheted back up hitting him in the shoulder. 

So, two points, not all people "shot" are hit by the projectile coming from a gun, and second not all people shot die. 

 
 
 
Gordy327
1.1.14  Gordy327  replied to  XDm9mm @1.1.13    2 months ago

I think you know we're talking about typical gunshots. Not some idiot pounding a bullet with a hammer. Although, that sounds like it can be a segment of America's Dumbest.... Lol.

And I know not everyone dies from a gunshot wound. But gunshots are still effective in killing.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
1.1.15  XDm9mm  replied to  Gordy327 @1.1.14    2 months ago
But gunshots are still effective in killing.

But so are many other things.   You know that as well as I do.

Unfortunately, whenever someone dies, the focus always seems to train on the gun involved, unless the means of death is executed by another means, then the focus is trained on the individual.  It's almost as if some people believe that the hunk of steel and wood or polymer has some form of mind control over the person forcing him/her to use the gun to kill.

Now, as someone who professes to always be so logical, can you possibly explain that conundrum?   Killer with gun, blame the gun.  Killer with bomb, truck, knife, blame the individual killer.  

 
 
 
Sparty On
1.1.16  Sparty On  replied to  Gordy327 @1.1.12    2 months ago

We've already covered this material Gordy.   Guns don't kill people.

Try again.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
1.1.17  seeder  Bob Nelson  replied to  Sparty On @1.1.16    2 months ago
Guns don't kill people.

Guns kill thirty thousand Americans every year.

 
 
 
Sparty On
1.1.18  Sparty On  replied to  Bob Nelson @1.1.17    2 months ago

Not by themselves they don't

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
1.1.19  seeder  Bob Nelson  replied to  Sparty On @1.1.18    2 months ago

No tool does anything by itself.

A hacksaw doesn't cut by itself... and the pipe doesn't get cut without the hacksaw.

An airplane doesn't fly by itself... and the distance isn't covered without the airplane.

A gun doesn't kill by itself... and the victim isn't killed without the gun.

... thirty thousand Americans killed every year... with guns.

 
 
 
Sparty On
1.1.20  Sparty On  replied to  Bob Nelson @1.1.19    2 months ago

Thats right.  

Just like any other inanimate object, guns can not kill without an operator.  

An inconvenient fact for many here apparently

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
1.1.21  seeder  Bob Nelson  replied to  Sparty On @1.1.20    2 months ago

A drill is for making holes. A gun is for killing.

The purpose of a drill is to make holes. The purpose of a gun is to kill.

 
 
 
Sparty On
1.1.22  Sparty On  replied to  Bob Nelson @1.1.21    2 months ago
A drill is for making holes. A gun is for killing.

Nope, while that might make for a great sound bite for the gun control crowd it's simply not true.  

A gun is made to shoot.   What it shoots is completely, 100%, operator controlled.  

Inanimate objects have no preconceived notions or biases.   Be it a drill ,a gun, a baguette .......

 
 
 
r.t..b...
1.1.23  r.t..b...  replied to  XDm9mm @1.1.13    2 months ago
not all people "shot" are hit by the projectile coming from a gun, and second not all people shot die.

That is rather odd rationale in defending the scourge that is gun related deaths in our country. We need to acknowledge and comprehend the actual numbers of our fellow citizens that are murdered daily. If nothing else than to honor their memories, it calls for a serious discussion of how we address the problem. A discussion that will certainly not be forthcoming on a meaningless opinion site, but one that must take place in public forums between candidates, civic leaders, gun advocates and the victims of gun violence. A difficult discussion to be sure, but unless you are content with the status quo and believe it is just a part of life (a jaded and dare say lazy way to see things), it is a debate that must be part of defining just what kind of nation to we want to be.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
1.1.24  seeder  Bob Nelson  replied to  Sparty On @1.1.22    2 months ago

So... you use a drill for cooking, a tv set for a clothes hanger, and a computer as a dorstop....

 
 
 
Sparty On
1.1.25  Sparty On  replied to  Bob Nelson @1.1.24    2 months ago

A drill is made to drill but it can still be used by its operator to kill

A TV set is made for watching and yet it can still be used by its operator to kill

A computer is made to compute and yet it can still be used by its operator to kill

Any more examples of inanimate objects you need clarification on Bob?

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
1.1.26  seeder  Bob Nelson  replied to  Sparty On @1.1.25    2 months ago

A gun can be used as a hammer, but it is made to kill.

 
 
 
Sparty On
1.1.27  Sparty On  replied to  Bob Nelson @1.1.26    2 months ago

Okay, we've come full circle.   Last inanimate object analysis:

A gun is made to shoot but it can still be used by its operator to kill.

And here's a freebie for you Bob:

Hammers are made to hammer but can still be used by its operator to kill.   And hammer kill those operators do.   Hammers (blunt instruments) operators kill more people each year in the US than those scary black rifles ..... which in 2019, are still only made to shoot.

 
 
 
Texan1211
1.1.28  Texan1211  replied to  Sparty On @1.1.27    2 months ago

Trying to outlaw guns because of some nutjobs doing illegal things with them is like trying to outlaw alcohol because some people drive drunk.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
1.1.29  seeder  Bob Nelson  replied to  Sparty On @1.1.27    2 months ago
Hammers (blunt instruments) operators kill more people each year in the US than those scary black rifles...

WTF???

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Why do people say dumb shit that collapses at a simple Google search?

 
 
 
Sparty On
1.1.30  Sparty On  replied to  Bob Nelson @1.1.29    2 months ago

Bob, simmer down and read it again.   My comment is 100% accurate.

No apology necessary though.   I still love you.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
1.1.31  seeder  Bob Nelson  replied to  Sparty On @1.1.30    2 months ago

Why do people say dumb shit that collapses at a simple Google search?

 
 
 
Sparty On
1.1.32  Sparty On  replied to  Bob Nelson @1.1.31    2 months ago

Okay, if you insist.  

Because reading comprehension is apparently not some folks strong suit

 
 
 
Greg Jones
1.2  Greg Jones  replied to  Bob Nelson @1    2 months ago

Using sappy emotionalism is not going to make guns go away.

The perps in the STEM shooting broke into a locked gun case.

The left has seemed to lose interest in this case since some facts are starting to emerge.

The father of the transgender female shooter is an illegal immigrant.

The older male shooter is a registered democrat Trump hating, anti-Christian, antifa type punk.....and gay.

No Christian MAGA hat wearing NRA members were involved.

 
 
 
Goodtime Charlie
1.2.1  Goodtime Charlie  replied to  Greg Jones @1.2    2 months ago
The older male shooter is a registered democrat Trump hating, anti-Christian, antifa type punk.....and gay.

He's also an atheist. John Fenton, a news producer with CBS Denver, wrote that the “car towed from #stemshooting suspect’s home apparently has ‘F*** SOCIETY’ spray painted on the side. Also ‘666’ and a what looks like a pentagram sprayed on the hood.”

 
 
 
Gordy327
1.2.2  Gordy327  replied to  Goodtime Charlie @1.2.1    2 months ago

"666" and pentagrams are not associated with atheists. They have a religious basis. Sound like the shooter was just plain nuts.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
1.2.3  XDm9mm  replied to  Gordy327 @1.2.2    2 months ago
Sound like the shooter was just plain nuts.

Gordy....  would you kindly show me the sane rational person that kills another unless in self defense or war (and war is debatable).

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.2.4  Tessylo  replied to  Greg Jones @1.2    2 months ago

I won't hold my breath for the sources that you never provide for your claims.

 
 
 
JBB
2  JBB    2 months ago

What lie? That more guns in more hands somehow makes us safer? That lie?

If guns made American kids safe American schools would not be war zones...

 
 
 
Greg Jones
2.1  Greg Jones  replied to  JBB @2    2 months ago

Ah yes, the faulty and invalid "more guns" argument.

Like it or not, guns are here to stay, even though the gun grabbers want to take every legal gun away from responsible law abiding gun owners, thus leaving guns only in the hands of criminals.

Like it or not, places such as schools and "gun free zones" will be prime targets for any determined person intent upon committing violence with a gun.  

Like it or not, all these mass shooters were able to make a legal purchase of guns, have a straw buyer provide them, or stole them. Thus, any supposed enhanced gun laws or background checks are useless.

Like it or not, more school shootings will occur until the powers that be accept the fact that the targets will have to be hardened. That would include a few "more" guns in trained and proper hands....meaning law enforcement and certain staff members. Metal detectors and locked doors would help lessen the possibility of entrance.

Like it or not, that's the times we are living in, and if certain people really care about kids, they are going to have to accept some unpleasant truths and make some common sense adjustments to the way they handle things, particularly the way they look at trouble making and problem individuals, who will usually have left a trail of obvious clues about their deranged intentions.

 
 
 
JBB
2.1.1  JBB  replied to  Greg Jones @2.1    2 months ago

The faulty invalid argument is that guns make us safer. Just bringing a gun into any home greatly increased the chances that someone living there dies by gunshot...

 
 
 
XDm9mm
2.1.3  XDm9mm  replied to  JBB @2.1.1    2 months ago
Just bringing a gun into any home greatly increased the chances that someone living there dies by gunshot...

Well duh....  congratulations Einstein.

I'll submit that the only one that needs to worry about smiling for the flash will be the lowlife scumbag thug(s) that enters my home without my permission if I or my wife are present.   Other than that, nope.   And I'll use the last 45 years of married life with guns in my home, and the 10 or so years before that where I had guns in my home.  

NEXT!!

 
 
 
XDm9mm
2.2  XDm9mm  replied to  JBB @2    2 months ago
American schools would not be war zones

American schools are not "war zones" by any stretch of the imagination.  Please stop with the hyperbolic theatrics to try to make your point valid.  It simply displays gross ignorance.

 
 
 
Sparty On
2.2.1  Sparty On  replied to  XDm9mm @2.2    2 months ago

Yeah but it reads well at the weekly "resist movement" organizational meeting ......

 
 
 
XDm9mm
2.2.2  XDm9mm  replied to  Sparty On @2.2.1    2 months ago
Yeah but it reads well at the weekly "resist movement" organizational meeting

And then they can reduce, reuse and recycle by using the paper it was written on to wipe their derrieres after taking a huge dump.   

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
2.2.3  seeder  Bob Nelson  replied to  XDm9mm @2.2    2 months ago
American schools are not "war zones"...

Of course not. They're places where our children get blasted into bloody bits.

 
 
 
JBB
2.2.4  JBB  replied to  XDm9mm @2.2    2 months ago

More American kids killed in school than troops killed in two wars...

 
 
 
r.t..b...
2.2.5  r.t..b...  replied to  XDm9mm @2.2    2 months ago
American schools are not "war zones"

And yet one commonly touted solution is to arm the personnel and have a single point of access that is manned with yet another armed guard. Sounds eerily like any military installation, though civilians are not allowed to be armed on those sites. Perhaps some razor wire...or a moat...or a bigly wall.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
2.2.6  XDm9mm  replied to  JBB @2.2.4    2 months ago
More American kids killed in school than troops killed in two wars...

You do have a source for that bit if insanity don't you?  Post it or admit you're simply lying through your teeth.

Here, I've made life easy for you and will even provide this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States

Now, I hope your math skills are better than your fact skills since even adding the numbers up since the 1800's don't come close to your claim.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
2.2.7  XDm9mm  replied to  Bob Nelson @2.2.3    2 months ago
They're places where our children get blasted into bloody bits.

Bloody bits?  Wow..   a little melodramatic aren't you?   And that bit of drama is pure hyperbole.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
2.2.8  XDm9mm  replied to  r.t..b... @2.2.5    2 months ago
And yet one commonly touted solution is to arm the personnel and have a single point of access that is manned with yet another armed guard.

That's simply good security measures.   And not all threats come from people with guns, so it is in fact quite prudent.

Sounds eerily like any military installation, though civilians are not allowed to be armed on those sites.

I don't know where you've been, but the military installations I've been to over the last 12 plus years all have multiple entrances.  In point of fact, ALL federal installations I've been to have multiple entrances.  Of course, unless you have the proper credentials, some of those entrances might not permit you entry.

Further, not all armed personnel at military installations are military.  In fact, the non-military armed personnel generally outnumber the military.  Just sayin.

 
 
 
Dean Moriarty
3  Dean Moriarty    2 months ago

Millions have been murdered in China by the communists because they lack the tools needed to protect themselves from the evil communists. Just yesterday we saw an article about the million people they are currently holding in concentration camps because they lack the tools needed to protect themselves. We never would have been able to free ourselves from the tyrannical British government if we did not possess the weapons needed for the revolution to be successful. The gun is the best tool we currently have to protect our freedom. 

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
3.1  seeder  Bob Nelson  replied to  Dean Moriarty @3    2 months ago

Hi Dean,

Thanks for this brilliant analysis.

 
 
 
evilgenius
4  evilgenius    2 months ago

Here's a really good 2 part report on school safety done from Minnesota Public Radio -

https://www.mprnews.org/story/2019/03/27/school-safety-security-policy-minn-researchers-question

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
4.1  seeder  Bob Nelson  replied to  evilgenius @4    2 months ago

Depressing...

 
 
 
evilgenius
4.1.1  evilgenius  replied to  Bob Nelson @4.1    2 months ago

I generally find life depressing. I think it's good that people are actually talking about mental health diagnosis before violence happens among all the other things.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
4.1.2  seeder  Bob Nelson  replied to  evilgenius @4.1.1    2 months ago

Working on mental health can only be good... but it can't be the answer. I assume that other developed countries have similar mental health issues, but they don’t have the gun deaths. So if there's a solution, it's elsewhere.

 
 
 
evilgenius
4.1.3  evilgenius  replied to  Bob Nelson @4.1.2    2 months ago
but it can't be the answer.

When society changes thinking of mental health issues from a criminal issue to a health issue and we move from a criminal state to a rehabilitative state we'll not need as many guns. In the mean time we can close loopholes and add weapon removal to the Baker act.

 
 
 
Sparty On
4.1.4  Sparty On  replied to  evilgenius @4.1.3    2 months ago
When society changes thinking of mental health issues from a criminal issue to a health issue

Very true.   Deal with mental issues in a more proactive fashion and potentially reduce annual gun deaths by up to 60%

Suicide accounts for over 60% of all gun deaths in the USA each year.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
4.1.5  seeder  Bob Nelson  replied to  Sparty On @4.1.4    2 months ago
Suicide accounts for over 60% of all gun deaths in the USA each year.

Other means of suicide are less certain. Poison may fail. A bullet into the brain rarely fails.

 
 
 
Sparty On
4.1.6  Sparty On  replied to  Bob Nelson @4.1.5    2 months ago

It takes a different level of dedication to put a gun to your head and pull.

Much easier to OD on sleeping pills or some other drug with booze.

Over 70,000 drug OD deaths in the US in 2017 and going up ......

 
 
 
r.t..b...
4.2  r.t..b...  replied to  evilgenius @4    2 months ago
Here's a really good 2 part report on school safety

A good starting point. No one is ever hurt by open and frank discussion...it is when blinders, ear plugs and stale rhetoric are employed in avoiding the crux of the debate, while the funeral processions continue unabated, that is dumbfounding. Thanks for the link.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
6  seeder  Bob Nelson    2 months ago
Suicide accounts for over 60% of all gun deaths in the USA each year.

Other means of suicide are less certain. Poison may fail. A bullet into the brain rarely fails.

 
 
 
Sparty On
6.1  Sparty On  replied to  Bob Nelson @6    2 months ago

It takes a different level of dedication to put a gun to your head and pull.

Much easier to OD on sleeping pills or some other drug with booze.

Over 70,000 drug OD deaths in the US in 2017 and going up ......

 
 
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