Game of Thrones Shocker

  
By:  perrie-halpern  •  2 weeks ago  •  140 comments

Game of Thrones Shocker
The apple doesn't fall far from the tree?

Let me start by saying that to say that last nights GOT was a shocker, would be an understatement. I wanted to give fans a chance to discuss the show, and give any thoughts about possible outcomes, and any other thoughts. 

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Perrie Halpern R.A.
1  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.    2 weeks ago

So is Dani just another Targaryen, who is like a coin flip, as warned by Varis?

 
 
 
Transyferous Rex
1.1  Transyferous Rex  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @1    2 weeks ago

Perrie, I went to your article from last week, and commented there. Barristan Selmy told the same thing to Dany, to her face, after she learned he was a King's Guard for her dad and for Robert. I thought that was a cool line to include. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
1.1.1  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Transyferous Rex @1.1    2 weeks ago

I thought it was a cool line too! 

 
 
 
Badfish H҉a҉n҉d҉ ҉o҉f҉ ҉D҉o҉o҉m҉
2  Badfish H҉a҉n҉d҉ ҉o҉f҉ ҉D҉o҉o҉m҉    2 weeks ago

She is no longer my Khaleesi, I have disavowed her now. I'm putting my foot down on the GOT role playing with Mrs. Fish, there will be no more Khaleesi tortures the fish as Jon Snow.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
2.1  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Badfish H҉a҉n҉d҉ ҉o҉f҉ ҉D҉o҉o҉m҉ @2    2 weeks ago

Well, I don't blame ya. She is no longer my Khaleesi either. Bad girl!

 
 
 
TᵢG
3  TᵢG    2 weeks ago

I think the screenwriters have made mistakes trying to rush a finish to the series.   The immaculate appearance of dozens of scorpion weapons with amazing dexterity, accuracy, power and rotating blade dragon piercing arrow heads was too over the top.   Then Daeny taking out all of these scorpions with a single dragon offered a reciprocal hard-to-believe scenario.

But the worst mistake is to have Daeny sitting atop her dragon with the battle won, the surrender reached ... peace at last ... and then throw it all away burning down the city for literally no logical reason.  Daeny could have flown directly to the Red Keep and killed Cersei.   There was no reason to burn down King's Landing and all the innocent civilians.   Makes no sense.   These people did not even have a chance to reject her, they never knew her.  So why take it out on them?

In the past, Daeny had reasons for her brutality.   This was entirely gratuitous and represented an explicable major shift in the character.   One more episode left, but I doubt the screenwriters will make this work.   I think they just screwed up the story.   Sure, this provides the means for Jon to take the throne and a battle in the last episode, but it does so with what seems to be an artificial transformation of one of the main characters.

I wonder how George R. R. Martin will write book 7 (the final book that he has not even started)?    At this point the HBO series might as well be considered an alternate reality from George R. R. Martin's world.

 
 
 
Badfish H҉a҉n҉d҉ ҉o҉f҉ ҉D҉o҉o҉m҉
3.1  Badfish H҉a҉n҉d҉ ҉o҉f҉ ҉D҉o҉o҉m҉  replied to  TᵢG @3    2 weeks ago
Then Daeny taking out all of these scorpions with a single dragon offered a reciprocal hard-to-believe scenario.

Dragons, God of light magical high priestess etc, white walkers, not hard to believe at all. It's pure fantasy.

I was miffed at Jamie Lanaster's hand growing back in the final scene. I will need the writers to fix this in the final episode, it ruins the entire series for all of us.

384

 
 
 
TᵢG
3.1.1  TᵢG  replied to  Badfish H҉a҉n҉d҉ ҉o҉f҉ ҉D҉o҉o҉m҉ @3.1    2 weeks ago

It is believable when magic is present in a character for the character to perform magic.

Was the creation of dozens of scorpions to be viewed as magic or engineering/manufacturing?

Was the destruction of same by a single dragon magic or an unbelievable level of skillful flying, targeting and corresponding ineptitude on the part of those manning the scorpions?

Magic by magical creatures works.   But characters who are supposed to be operating within natural constraints (e.g. the builders and operators of the scorpions) suddenly accomplishing inexplicable feats or becoming complete inept ruins the ability to suspend disbelief.

 
 
 
Badfish H҉a҉n҉d҉ ҉o҉f҉ ҉D҉o҉o҉m҉
3.1.2  Badfish H҉a҉n҉d҉ ҉o҉f҉ ҉D҉o҉o҉m҉  replied to  TᵢG @3.1.1    2 weeks ago

She flew the dragon from a completely different trajectory to carefully avoid the arrows this way, straight nose dive, then from behind. They stood no chance. A wise strategy after losing a dragon.

Made sense to me. I just can't get over the reappearing hand.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
3.1.3  Trout Giggles  replied to  Badfish H҉a҉n҉d҉ ҉o҉f҉ ҉D҉o҉o҉m҉ @3.1.2    2 weeks ago

What are you talking about? That hand in your photo is his left hand. They took his RIGHT hand...his sword hand.

 
 
 
Badfish H҉a҉n҉d҉ ҉o҉f҉ ҉D҉o҉o҉m҉
3.1.4  Badfish H҉a҉n҉d҉ ҉o҉f҉ ҉D҉o҉o҉m҉  replied to  Trout Giggles @3.1.3    2 weeks ago

Look again Trout, that's his right hand in the embrace over her back and it's his normal hand.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
3.1.5  Trout Giggles  replied to  Badfish H҉a҉n҉d҉ ҉o҉f҉ ҉D҉o҉o҉m҉ @3.1.4    2 weeks ago

Oh.....Many pardons. I didn't see that.

You're right.

 
 
 
TᵢG
3.1.6  TᵢG  replied to  Badfish H҉a҉n҉d҉ ҉o҉f҉ ҉D҉o҉o҉m҉ @3.1.2    2 weeks ago
She flew the dragon from a completely different trajectory to carefully avoid the arrows this way, straight nose dive, then from behind. They stood no chance. A wise strategy after losing a dragon.

The ambush by Euron which killed Rhaegal illustrated an unbelievably impressive ability to reload, aim and fire those weapons with great accuracy and moving in all directions.   Note that even with the earlier version, Bronn was able to hit Drogon in flight by himself.   Now with dozens of these far more powerful weapons manned by crews and a single dragon, nobody can hit the target?   

This failure to kill Drogon would be believable per your scenario if the GoT storyline had not already established the power and accuracy of these weapons in the prior episode.   I guess I will have to chalk episode 4 up to Euron, et. al. getting extremely lucky hitting Rhaegal three times in a matter of seconds.    Then we can view episode 5 as the more realistic demonstration of the scorpion's power and dexterity.

 
 
 
Badfish H҉a҉n҉d҉ ҉o҉f҉ ҉D҉o҉o҉m҉
3.1.7  Badfish H҉a҉n҉d҉ ҉o҉f҉ ҉D҉o҉o҉m҉  replied to  TᵢG @3.1.6    2 weeks ago

You have a point, maybe the dragon should have died and Khaleesi flew down to the ground shot an army of zombie ewoks out of her mouth to make it more realistic.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
3.2  Trout Giggles  replied to  TᵢG @3    2 weeks ago
This was entirely gratuitous

The writers and producers needed one last big splash to end the show.

 
 
 
TᵢG
3.2.1  TᵢG  replied to  Trout Giggles @3.2    2 weeks ago

I wish they had created a splash that was believable.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
3.2.2  Trout Giggles  replied to  TᵢG @3.2.1    2 weeks ago

Like I said, it was pure rage on her part. She didn't care about the people because she didn't think they loved her anyway. I don't consider the scorpions a big deal because I'm having a hard time with time references (how many years has it been in the Game of Thrones universe?).

And BF gave a good explanation on how the dragon was able to take out the scorpions.

But I must have counted at least 4 or 5 times when I thought Arya finally had her ticket punched.

 
 
 
TᵢG
3.2.3  TᵢG  replied to  Trout Giggles @3.2.2    2 weeks ago
Like I said, it was pure rage on her part.

Understood.  My point is that the rage against the people and the town makes no sense.   It would make sense if they had rejected her - they did not even have a chance to know her.   She killed those people and destroyed King's Landing for no reason.   

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
3.2.4  Trout Giggles  replied to  TᵢG @3.2.3    2 weeks ago

I think what the writers were trying to say is she didn't need a reason. She was pissed off mad and exacted her revenge.

She got the best of Cersei of which I'm glad. Cersei showed nothing but arrogance and stupidity right up until the moment she tried to flee the Red Keep. It was her downfall

 
 
 
TᵢG
3.2.5  TᵢG  replied to  Trout Giggles @3.2.4    2 weeks ago

Revenge against Cersei makes perfect sense.   Destroying King’s Landing and its civilians (who also hate Cersei) does not.   I would understand if upon surrender Daeny flew to the Red Keep to kill Cersei.   

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
3.2.6  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Trout Giggles @3.2.2    2 weeks ago

I agree it was pure rage on her part, but part of that rage is that she felt the people didn't love her. In all her last conquests the people loved her, so I think it is also a bit of an ego thing, which I find disappointing. 

I think that Ayra has a purpose for the ending and that is why she is still alive. 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
3.2.7  Trout Giggles  replied to  TᵢG @3.2.5    2 weeks ago

That's what I was hoping she was going to do was fly to the Red Keep, torch it, kill Cersei, then go have a cup of wine.

I knew something was wrong when she executed Varys

 
 
 
TᵢG
3.2.8  TᵢG  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @3.2.6    2 weeks ago

Arya had direct view of senseless carnage.    No doubt she is after Daeny.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
3.2.9  Trout Giggles  replied to  TᵢG @3.2.8    2 weeks ago

Something Sandor Clegane said to Arya about turning into him when he was trying to get her to leave.

And she looked at him and had an epiphany, I think. She thanked him and left.

Senseless carnage...now she knows what war is.

 
 
 
katrix
3.2.10  katrix  replied to  TᵢG @3.2.5    2 weeks ago

But ... but .... if these are mythical beings, why are you talking about their motives and actions?

(I couldn't resist!)

 
 
 
Badfish H҉a҉n҉d҉ ҉o҉f҉ ҉D҉o҉o҉m҉
3.2.11  Badfish H҉a҉n҉d҉ ҉o҉f҉ ҉D҉o҉o҉m҉  replied to  katrix @3.2.10    2 weeks ago

It's all about the realism of ewoks.

I can't wait for the spin off about the Dothraki. Will Aqua-man return?

 
 
 
katrix
3.2.12  katrix  replied to  Badfish H҉a҉n҉d҉ ҉o҉f҉ ҉D҉o҉o҉m҉ @3.2.11    2 weeks ago

Apparently a bunch of people are learning Dothraki and Valyrian - just like a bunch of people learned Klingon.

 
 
 
TᵢG
3.2.13  TᵢG  replied to  katrix @3.2.10    2 weeks ago

Yeah, I know.  jrSmiley_82_smiley_image.gif   Funny how the individual of that meme is not involved in this discussion.   This article would be a perfect example for how people can analyze fictional characters.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
3.2.14  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Trout Giggles @3.2.9    2 weeks ago

I really like Sandor. So misunderstood. I was sad to see him die although I knew it was inevitable. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
3.2.15  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  katrix @3.2.12    2 weeks ago
Apparently a bunch of people are learning Dothraki and Valyrian - just like a bunch of people learned Klingon.

Well, then I guess they could have said, "Heghlu'meH QaQ DaHjaj."

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
3.2.16  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  TᵢG @3.2.13    2 weeks ago

True enough, Tig.

But we all did this in English classes in high school... so there's that.

 
 
 
katrix
3.2.17  katrix  replied to  TᵢG @3.2.13    2 weeks ago

Isn't it, though ;)

 
 
 
TᵢG
3.2.18  TᵢG  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @3.2.16    2 weeks ago

( Aside:  yeah, it is amazing what some people will try to pass off as logic:  'how can you analyze that which you do not believe exists?' )

Well this article should make it perfectly obvious how one can (easily) analyze characters in a fictional story.

 
 
 
Badfish H҉a҉n҉d҉ ҉o҉f҉ ҉D҉o҉o҉m҉
3.2.19  Badfish H҉a҉n҉d҉ ҉o҉f҉ ҉D҉o҉o҉m҉  replied to  katrix @3.2.12    2 weeks ago
Apparently a bunch of people are learning Dothraki and Valyrian - just like a bunch of people learned Klingon

Yeah, what better way to make sure you never have sex with another person. These weirdos collect memorabilia,  dress up at conventions, LARP, etc.

I have a salesman that will stand out in front of Walmart in costume to get the free t shirt with a DVD release. You guessed it, he couldn't get laid in a brothel with a pocket full of cash.

What ever floats your boat I suppose. 

 
 
 
katrix
3.2.20  katrix  replied to  Badfish H҉a҉n҉d҉ ҉o҉f҉ ҉D҉o҉o҉m҉ @3.2.19    2 weeks ago

Oh, you should read up on the people that dress up in furry costumes.  Not related to any particular show, as far as I know.  It's all the fault of mascots, I tell you!  See what this has brought us to!

 
 
 
Ender
3.2.21  Ender  replied to  TᵢG @3.2.18    2 weeks ago

People analyze books all the time. I see no difference with this.

 
 
 
TᵢG
3.2.22  TᵢG  replied to  Ender @3.2.21    2 weeks ago

Agreed

 
 
 
Transyferous Rex
3.2.23  Transyferous Rex  replied to  Badfish H҉a҉n҉d҉ ҉o҉f҉ ҉D҉o҉o҉m҉ @3.2.11    2 weeks ago
Will Aqua-man return?

Only if there are a sufficient number of stallions to mount.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
3.2.24  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Trout Giggles @3.2.2    one week ago
But I must have counted at least 4 or 5 times when I thought Arya finally had her ticket punched.

That last scene of her pulling herself out of the wall debris and dust should have had her look at the camera and then show one eye glow red... Skynet has come now that the blue eyed Night King has fallen!

 
 
 
Transyferous Rex
3.3  Transyferous Rex  replied to  TᵢG @3    2 weeks ago

I've agreed with the sentiment all season, and perhaps longer. I allowed myself to enjoy last night's episode though. 

I agree, if they are going to have Dany burn everything down, maybe a battle between the opposing ground forces first, because the super weapon prevents Dany from getting close enough, until such time that  the unsullied are able to take out the scorpions. Then, crazy rides in and scorches the earth, and everyone is like...WTF. Instead...hold my beer. We get a meme, instead of a work. Only 2 episodes left, we got no time for conflict. 

They had me early though, when Varys repeats Barristan Selmy's line about the coin flip. Harking back to some old foreshadowing. Same as the dwarf's dreams, and Jenny's Song, Dany's trip through the house of the undying. Apparently, Dany is the savage giant in the castle built of snow, and Sansa is coming in to take out the mad queen?  

I was less disappointed last night, than I was with 3 and 4. Maybe my expectations have diminished. 

 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
4  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.    2 weeks ago

I totally agree about the rushing of the story and those scorpion weapons appearing suddenly. And how could Dani have missed those weapons the first time around and lose a dragon, and then take them out the second time around without any problem?

And again, I agree that Dani could have just taken out Cersei without killing the town folk. But she said she felt unloved by those people, and I think that was a big hint. Also, now everyone she has ever trusted is gone, so I think she is lost without her compasses. 

I am not sure Jon will become King. Remember Theon's sister is also an heir to the throne and she is out there somewhere. Also, I think we will be facing Tyron's death since she said that she would not take any more betrayals from him, and he did let his brother go, knowing this possible outcome. I think he might have some bigger role to play as well as Arya. 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
4.1  Trout Giggles  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @4    2 weeks ago

Theon's sister Yara is an heir to the Pike throne, not the Iron Throne. I think Yara is now a forgotten character like many other characters the writers and producers left alongside the King's Road

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
4.1.1  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Trout Giggles @4.1    2 weeks ago

They made a point of showing Yara going back this season, so I don't think she is out of the picture. And she had more right to the throne than Cersei, although she might just come to the aid of Jon.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
4.1.2  Trout Giggles  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @4.1.1    2 weeks ago

How does Yara have more right to the throne than Cersei? Yara is a Greyjoy many houses removed from Barathion, Lannister, or Targaryen.

Of course, you have as much right to the throne as Cersei. Anybody has as much right to the throne as Cersei.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
4.1.3  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Trout Giggles @4.1.2    2 weeks ago

Now I may be wrong. but the Lannister's were not a royal family, but the Greyjoys and the Targaryens were. The Lannisters were money lenders and people of influence, but not actually ever on any throne, right?

If that is true, then a Greyjoy would be more entitled, not that I see that happening.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
4.1.4  Trout Giggles  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @4.1.3    2 weeks ago

Ok, I see your point. You're right. The Greyjoys were the "Kings" of the Iron Islands tho that was a title they made up for themselves.  At one time or another a bunch of people called themselves kings, but I don't think the Lannisters as a family did that.

 
 
 
Dulay
4.1.5  Dulay  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @4.1.3    2 weeks ago

Have you forgotten about Gendry Baratheon? 

 
 
 
Ender
4.1.6  Ender  replied to  Dulay @4.1.5    2 weeks ago

I mentioned that one time and someone told me that a bastard could not be king.

 
 
 
Dulay
4.1.7  Dulay  replied to  Ender @4.1.6    2 weeks ago

Well he's no longer a bastard, he's a Lord. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
4.1.8  TᵢG  replied to  Trout Giggles @4.1.4    2 weeks ago

Remember that there were 7 kingdoms before Aegon the Conqueror united them all:

House Stark Torrhen Stark, King in the North.
House Arryn Ronnel Arryn, King of Mountain and Vale.
House Hoare Harren Hoare, King of the Isles and the Rivers.
House Lannister Loren I Lannister, King of the Rock.
House Gardener Mern IX Gardener, King of the Reach.
House Baratheon Argilac Durrandon, the Storm King.
House Martell Meria Martell, Princess of Dorne.

So one could argue that any descendant from the above houses could assume the throne if there is no obvious rightful heir.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
4.1.9  Trout Giggles  replied to  TᵢG @4.1.8    one week ago

Thanks for that list. I had forgotten what and where the 7 kingdoms were and who.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
4.1.10  Trout Giggles  replied to  Dulay @4.1.7    one week ago

I kept telling Arya to go Storm's End and marry Gendry and have beautiful blue eyed babies

 
 
 
Badfish H҉a҉n҉d҉ ҉o҉f҉ ҉D҉o҉o҉m҉
4.2  Badfish H҉a҉n҉d҉ ҉o҉f҉ ҉D҉o҉o҉m҉  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @4    2 weeks ago

I can't watch movies based on comic book heroes or super heroes. I hated star wars but Game of Thrones over all has been leagues above the childish drek that passes as science fiction or fantasy in the last 30 years.

Seriously the first time i saw an ewok i wanted to vomit.

 
 
 
TᵢG
4.3  TᵢG  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @4    2 weeks ago
But she said she felt unloved by those people

They did not even know her.   She earned the love of people in the past.   Slaughtering her people before they even knew her makes no sense.   I could see this if she had saved them and then they rejected her.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
4.3.1  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  TᵢG @4.3    2 weeks ago

While I agree with you assessment Tig, that is not what she actually said. She said that the people didn't love her and I think this is a bit of an ego thing. 

 
 
 
Badfish H҉a҉n҉d҉ ҉o҉f҉ ҉D҉o҉o҉m҉
4.3.2  Badfish H҉a҉n҉d҉ ҉o҉f҉ ҉D҉o҉o҉m҉  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @4.3.1    2 weeks ago

Let's not forget that her family built the red keep some 300 years prior. Many contributing factors to her behavior for certain. She felt alone, and when you are going to rule alone you have but one way to do it, with fear.

They were not going to love her. Her only hope is that the next generation would.

 
 
 
TᵢG
4.3.3  TᵢG  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @4.3.1    2 weeks ago

The writers have Daeny rejecting oppressed people before they even know her.   This is a major change for her character to target and kill innocent people - especially those who also hate Cersei, and especially when there is no tactical advantage.   

No doubt they rationalized this as madness emerging from the fact that no matter what she does the people will favor Jon.  

I would have had her directing her rage at Cersei and her supporters.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
4.3.4  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  TᵢG @4.3.3    2 weeks ago
I would have had her directing her rage at Cersei and her supporters.

So are you agreeing about killing the citizens? I am confused.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
4.3.5  Trout Giggles  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @4.3.4    2 weeks ago

I think he means Cerseis' guard and her advisers. 

I was beginning to think it was going to take a dragon to kill the Mountain.

 
 
 
TᵢG
4.3.6  TᵢG  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @4.3.4    2 weeks ago
So are you agreeing about killing the citizens? I am confused.

The citizens did not support Cersei:

TiG @4.3.3. - This is a major change for her character to target and kill innocent people - especially those who also hate Cersei, and especially when there is no tactical advantage.  

Her supporters are those fighting to defend her.   

 
 
 
TᵢG
4.3.7  TᵢG  replied to  Trout Giggles @4.3.5    2 weeks ago
I was beginning to think it was going to take a dragon to kill the Mountain.

I am not sure he is dead (half joking, no reason for the storyline to keep him going).   A dagger through the brain and he pulls it out after pulling out a sword that went through his guts and not even bleeding??    WTF?

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
4.3.8  Trout Giggles  replied to  TᵢG @4.3.7    2 weeks ago

He fell at least 20 stories and in a fire pit. He has to be dead. Maybe he's only mostly dead

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
4.3.9  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Trout Giggles @4.3.8    2 weeks ago
 A dagger through the brain and he pulls it out after pulling out a sword that went through his guts and not even bleeding??    WTF? He fell at least 20 stories and in a fire pit. He has to be dead. Maybe he's only mostly dead

He'll be the new Knight King, LOL. 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
4.3.10  Trout Giggles  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @4.3.9    2 weeks ago

Oh that's nightmarely freakish!

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
4.3.11  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Trout Giggles @4.3.10    2 weeks ago

Don't you mean knighmarishly? 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
4.3.12  Trout Giggles  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @4.3.11    2 weeks ago

LOL!

 
 
 
TᵢG
4.3.13  TᵢG  replied to  Badfish H҉a҉n҉d҉ ҉o҉f҉ ҉D҉o҉o҉m҉ @4.3.2    2 weeks ago
Her only hope is that the next generation would.

Burning their ancestors alive is not a great way to get the next generation to love her.

 
 
 
Transyferous Rex
4.3.14  Transyferous Rex  replied to  TᵢG @4.3.3    one week ago
The writers have Daeny rejecting oppressed people before they even know her.

I think this is an aspect that I liked, and what kept me watching. I have never been a Dany fan. Although, truthfully, I could not really put my finger on what about the character I disliked...save now. I found myself begging her to twist off, for nothing more than to justify my dislike. 

Two times I liked Dany. Astapor and last episode. (may actually be more, but those are the instances that stand out) Astapor, to me anyway, a little early foreshadowing of what she would do to get what she wanted, and if you disrespected her. She wants the throne, and all of Westeros, in her eyes, disrespected her, when they followed the usurper. The folks of Kings Landing being the worst of the lot. I never had a doubt that she would raze the city when she got there.

 
 
 
TᵢG
4.3.15  TᵢG  replied to  Transyferous Rex @4.3.14    one week ago
The folks of Kings Landing being the worst of the lot.

That is the part I do not get.   The peasants of King's Landing have always been oppressed by the leaders of King's Landing.   They hate Cersei too.   They never did anything against Daeny.   She was operating on the conclusion that they would support Jon over her.   Likely true.   But, like her past experiences, she must earn the love of her people.   Burning the city alive is not the way to encourage the next generation to love her.

Thus, the best explanation is that she went fully insane while watching the city surrender.   Her subsequent burning of the city was a gratuitous act of madness because it works against her own interests.    Her anger would have been better served flying directly to the Red Keep to eliminate Cersei.

She snapped.    Quickly.    That is the best I can do to make sense of this episode.

 
 
 
Transyferous Rex
4.3.16  Transyferous Rex  replied to  TᵢG @4.3.15    one week ago

Yeah, I'm working hard not to be overly critical. I agree, bells be damned, I'm pissed, Cersei must die, off to the red keep I go, would make more sense. Even if they want her to twist off, Cersei is the target, get her first...then maybe lose it on the rest of Kings Landing. That said, she crazy. Trying to find logic in the acts of a crazy person is folly. 

The exploding walls, ineffective scorpions, Greyjoy's 3 mile swim to shore, complete waste of build up for the golden company, etc. all bug me more than how she arrived at madness though. Frankly, I was a little disappointed in the much anticipated battle between the Mountain and the Hound. I thought it would have been a nice touch to have Arya leave, then come back and try to save the Hound after the battle. Also, I'm still a bit upset with Bronn's appearance the previous episode. Not what I'd expect from Bronn. I'd expect him to seek double the offer from Tyrion, but not with the attitude he displayed. Seemed out of character and forced. 

Still where I was last week. Sansa fulfills the prophecy of the white dwarf dreams told to Beric and Thoros, re: slaying the savage giant in the castle built of snow. I know it's book, but why would the show producers have Pod sing Jenny's Song? That song is important to the dwarf's visions. 

In the end, no fan is safe. There are no winners in the game of thrones. They are truly attempting to subvert everyones expectations. We only thought we knew what a good story was or what a satisfying ending might be. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
4.3.17  TᵢG  replied to  Transyferous Rex @4.3.16    one week ago
I'm still a bit upset with Bronn's appearance the previous episode. Not what I'd expect from Bronn. I'd expect him to seek double the offer from Tyrion, but not with the attitude he displayed. Seemed out of character and forced. 

I fully agree.   Bronn was clearly out of character.

They are truly attempting to subvert everyones expectations. 

Indeed, and have done a great job all along.   My disappointment is the lack of believeability in what seems to be a rush to the finish line.

 
 
 
Transyferous Rex
4.3.18  Transyferous Rex  replied to  TᵢG @4.3.17    one week ago

Oh well. Here is to hoping that Seth McFarlane gets a crack at it. I'd watch the Family Guy version. 

 
 
 
Ender
4.3.19  Ender  replied to  TᵢG @4.3.17    one week ago

What I didn't get, was Arya gave hat sheer Valyrian steel knife to Sansa before Sansa went down into the crypt before the battle of Winterfell yet isn't that what she used to kill the ice king? I could be remembering it wrong of course. Haha   Just seemed like an inconsistency. 

 
 
 
Ender
4.3.20  Ender  replied to  Transyferous Rex @4.3.18    one week ago

I am surprised he hasn't yet.

 
 
 
TᵢG
4.3.21  TᵢG  replied to  Ender @4.3.19    one week ago

I thought that was just a spare dagger.   Would have to go back and look.

Yeah, I checked ... looks like a regular dagger.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
4.3.22  1stwarrior  replied to  TᵢG @4.3.21    one week ago

Nope - look at the handle - deer horn - the color of the blade - black - the pommel - deer horn with blade fitted in center.

1:17:25 - 1:17:33

 
 
 
TᵢG
4.3.23  TᵢG  replied to  1stwarrior @4.3.22    one week ago

Yes Ayra killed the Night King with her Valyrian steel dagger — the one that Bran gave her.   But what she handed to Sansa looked like a normal dragonglass dagger (see 1:08:42 and the original hand-off at 19:38).

 
 
 
Transyferous Rex
4.3.24  Transyferous Rex  replied to  TᵢG @4.3.17    one week ago

So, I was watching Ep. 5, again, and my 6 yo comes in and starts watching with me. Probably can't do that with all GOT episodes, but that one? I think so. Regardless, if you have a 6 year old child available, I'd recommend re-watching. The commentary coming from my son was priceless. I'm always impressed with what the eyes of a young child catch. Never surprised by what comes out of the mouth though. Both comically genius, and pointed. Sad when a 6 year old takes offense at the assault on his intelligence. 

 
 
 
Ender
4.4  Ender  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @4    2 weeks ago

She has always been kind of vicious. I found a good write up about the episode. They said this about her,

Remember Dany’s first instinct when Meereen was under bombardment by the slave cities in season 6? “I will crucify the masters,” Dany declared. “I will set their fleets afire. I will kill every last one of their soldiers and return their cities to the dirt. That’s my plan.” Tyrion talked her out of it. At the time we thought,Well, Dany probably didn’t really mean it. But she did. She’s said other things like this too along the way. In season 2, Dany likewise promised, “We will lay waste to armies and burn cities to the ground.” And in season 6, she asked the Dothraki to pledge to “kill my enemies in their iron suits and tear down their stone houses.” Time and again, we dismissed such talk as bluster. It wasn’t.

In a way she has always talked about destruction. She also crucified a bunch of people.

This part I didn't remember but it was very foreshadowing...

Remember that scene in season 2 in the House of the Undying? Dany had a vision of walking through the Red Keep. The ceiling was broken open and there was this white stuff falling into the throne room. We assumed that was snow and that winter had come to the South. In this episode, at long last, Dany really is in King’s Landing and the Red Keep really is being destroyed. But there’s no snow. We see that white stuff was actually ash, the ash that’s now raining across the city. Dany’s the queen of the ashes. So this turn was foreshadowed from the show’s very early days.
 
 
 
Trout Giggles
5  Trout Giggles    2 weeks ago

That was pure rage on Danys part and on Grey Worm's part.

I hope she has remorse over what she did

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
5.1  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Trout Giggles @5    2 weeks ago

I agree, but that is why Varis' warning about her being a Targaryen and why he was willing to risk his life to have Jon on the throne.

 
 
 
katrix
5.1.1  katrix  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @5.1    2 weeks ago

But Jon is a Targaryen too ... apparently Varys decided that it was clear that Jon wasn't going mad, but considering his age (at least in the books; not sure how old his character in the show is), it could be too soon to tell ....

 
 
 
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5.1.2  Badfish H҉a҉n҉d҉ ҉o҉f҉ ҉D҉o҉o҉m҉  replied to  katrix @5.1.1    2 weeks ago

Was anyone else sad when the Dire wolf didn't go with Jon?  I cried.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
5.1.4  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  katrix @5.1.1    2 weeks ago

He was a Targaryen, but he was raised as a Stark and his life was hard. This made him a different kind of person. He also never wanted to be king, which is another factor. He is not into the power, and ultimately, that is what this show is about; desire for power. Dani with all her bend the knee business of last season showed she was very much about power. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
5.1.5  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Badfish H҉a҉n҉d҉ ҉o҉f҉ ҉D҉o҉o҉m҉ @5.1.2    2 weeks ago
Was anyone else sad when the Dire wolf didn't go with Jon?  I cried.

Actually, I thought that was sad, and I didn't quite get why he did that. Neither did my kids.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
5.1.6  Trout Giggles  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @5.1.4    2 weeks ago

I think that Dany and Jon should have a kid and that kid can become the ruler. They can be co-regents until the kid comes of age

And forgot that Aunt-Nephew business, the Targaryens married brothers and sisters for centuries

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
5.1.7  Trout Giggles  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @5.1.5    2 weeks ago

Because Ghost is a creature of the North. That's where he belongs.

 
 
 
katrix
5.1.8  katrix  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @5.1.4    2 weeks ago

True, but if their insanity is hereditary, that may not matter.

The one thing I hate about this show is the direwolves.  Kill off all the human characters, I don't care - but don't hurt the direwolves!  Ghost is probably much safer at Winterfell than he would have been at King's Landing.

 
 
 
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5.1.9  Badfish H҉a҉n҉d҉ ҉o҉f҉ ҉D҉o҉o҉m҉  replied to  Trout Giggles @5.1.7    2 weeks ago

I know but i liked the cute wolf.

 
 
 
TᵢG
5.1.10  TᵢG  replied to  Trout Giggles @5.1.6    2 weeks ago

I think that ending is now ruined for the HBO version.   Wonder what George has in mind?

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
5.1.11  Trout Giggles  replied to  TᵢG @5.1.10    2 weeks ago

I dunno but I do hope he doesn't let the TV dictate how he's going to finish the books

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
5.1.12  Trout Giggles  replied to  katrix @5.1.8    2 weeks ago
The one thing I hate about this show is the direwolves.

If I remember correctly, at the beginning of the books the direwolves were pretty much mythical creatures or they had become extinct. Then the Starks find puppies.

Now they're extinct again. 

Where's Nymeria, Arya's wolf?

 
 
 
TᵢG
5.1.13  TᵢG  replied to  Trout Giggles @5.1.11    2 weeks ago

I believe I read somewhere that George has pretty much shrugged off the HBO direction and is doing his own thing.   He does not seem to have any interest in following their lead.

 
 
 
TᵢG
5.1.14  TᵢG  replied to  Trout Giggles @5.1.12    2 weeks ago
Where's Nymeria, Arya's wolf?

Still in the wild.   Last time we saw her, she stopped her pack from tearing Arya apart as she was heading to Winterfell.

 
 
 
katrix
5.1.15  katrix  replied to  TᵢG @5.1.14    2 weeks ago

They weren't with their owners for all that long.  It actually seems more natural at this point for the two surviving wolves to remain in the wild.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
5.1.16  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Trout Giggles @5.1.7    2 weeks ago

By that logic, Jon doesn't belong down south either.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
5.1.17  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  TᵢG @5.1.10    2 weeks ago
I think that ending is now ruined for the HBO version.   Wonder what George has in mind?

Well, we don't know the ending yet. And frankly if it had a perfect ending, I would have hated it. That is not life and despite bits of magic, these are still people with human flaws. If Daeny ends up Queen and hateful, it would make sense, since that is what she came from.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
5.1.18  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Trout Giggles @5.1.12    2 weeks ago
Where's Nymeria?

Right here:

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Here she is.... my daughter's kitten Nymeria.

 
 
 
TᵢG
5.1.19  TᵢG  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @5.1.17    2 weeks ago

I think that the final ending for a series should leave the viewers satisfied.

But I was not talking about a happy ending anyway.   My complaint is an illogical ending.   At this point I have serious doubt that the writers can make this sensible.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
5.1.20  Trout Giggles  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @5.1.18    2 weeks ago

Pretty kitty

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
5.1.21  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  TᵢG @5.1.19    2 weeks ago
But I was not talking about a happy ending anyway.   My complaint is an illogical ending.   At this point I have serious doubt that the writers can make this sensible.

Ah, well that is something else. But I do think they can give it a logical one, but not a satisfying one.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
5.1.22  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Trout Giggles @5.1.20    2 weeks ago

Thanks! She has a twin brother Albus. Can't tell what my daughter is into, right?

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
5.1.23  Trout Giggles  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @5.1.22    2 weeks ago

Is that a cat carrier in the background?

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
5.1.24  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Trout Giggles @5.1.23    2 weeks ago

Yup. It's a Yellow Submarine backpack, LOL. 

 
 
 
1stwarrior
5.1.25  1stwarrior  replied to  Trout Giggles @5.1.7    2 weeks ago

I "think" Ghost is one of the six dire wolves found in the 1st book by Robb Stark.  I "believe" he was the last one found and Jon was the only person who heard him as they were leaving the dead mother.

Robb named his Grey Wind, Sansa called hers Lady, Arya called hers after some witch queen, Rickon called his Shaggydog, Jon, his Ghost, and Bran didn't get a chance to name his before Jaime pushed him out the window.

Kinda curious 'bout something.  In the beginning of the book, Jon and Arya were a close as bread and butter - wonder what happened?

 
 
 
TᵢG
5.1.26  TᵢG  replied to  1stwarrior @5.1.25    2 weeks ago
In the beginning of the book, Jon and Arya were a close as bread and butter - wonder what happened?

They still are extremely close.   What makes you think otherwise?

 
 
 
1stwarrior
5.1.27  1stwarrior  replied to  TᵢG @5.1.26    one week ago

When Jon and Dany had all the "Leaders" in the Great Hall at Winterfell, Jon and Arya didn't even show brother/sister love/bonds.

 
 
 
TᵢG
5.1.28  TᵢG  replied to  1stwarrior @5.1.27    one week ago

Don't you remember the scene when Jon and Arya were reunited (when Jon noticed that Arya still had Needle)?    Nothing in the storyline suggests that their affection for each other would change from that.

 
 
 
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6  Badfish H҉a҉n҉d҉ ҉o҉f҉ ҉D҉o҉o҉m҉    2 weeks ago

I'm just glad the Euron Greyjoy and his creepy mustache met their fate.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
6.1  Trout Giggles  replied to  Badfish H҉a҉n҉d҉ ҉o҉f҉ ҉D҉o҉o҉m҉ @6    2 weeks ago

Oh....and he was wrong about killing Jaimie Lannister.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
6.1.1  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Trout Giggles @6.1    2 weeks ago

LOL, very much so. 

 
 
 
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7  Badfish H҉a҉n҉d҉ ҉o҉f҉ ҉D҉o҉o҉m҉    2 weeks ago

Well heck, it's almost over. Next up the critically acclaimed Zombeavers

The link takes you to the compelling trailer on youtube.
 
 
 
JBB
8  JBB    2 weeks ago

"Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned"...

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
8.1  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  JBB @8    2 weeks ago

Very True!

 
 
 
JBB
8.1.1  JBB  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @8.1    2 weeks ago

I am sort of an authority in the subject in case you were still, um, unaware.

When Jon passed on Dani's advances I knew King's Landing would burn...

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
8.1.2  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  JBB @8.1.1    2 weeks ago
I am sort of an authority in the subject in case you were still, um, unaware.

Burnt a couple of bridges, have ya?

When Jon passed on Dani's advances I knew King's Landing would burn...

Got to say, I was surprised since she seemed to be on board when they talked about the bells. 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
9  Trout Giggles    2 weeks ago

The Horse. A Pale Horse.

Who sits the Pale Horse?

Death

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
9.1  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Trout Giggles @9    2 weeks ago
The Horse. A Pale Horse.

Humm... interesting.... that would mean our lady of many faces will be the bringer of death, since she now sits on the horse. 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
9.1.1  Trout Giggles  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @9.1    2 weeks ago

She still has Green Eyes to kill

 
 
 
JBB
9.1.2  JBB  replied to  Trout Giggles @9.1.1    2 weeks ago

Why do you think Arya, who had been a stealth ninja killing machine just two episodes earlier, was so ineffectual last night? It was like she was a completely different person this episode...

 
 
 
TᵢG
9.1.3  TᵢG  replied to  JBB @9.1.2    2 weeks ago

My guess is that the screen writers wanted to establish her empathy for the King's Landing peasants and, accordingly, place Daeny on her list.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
9.1.4  Trout Giggles  replied to  JBB @9.1.2    one week ago

I think it had a lot to do with that short conversation she had with the Hound

 
 
 
1stwarrior
9.2  1stwarrior  replied to  Trout Giggles @9    2 weeks ago

Clint Eastwood

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
10  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו    2 weeks ago

It looks to me like Jon Snow and Daenerys are headed for a final show down but I guess that was the way it was going to be even before the destruction of the King's Landing.

 
 
 
Ender
11  Ender    2 weeks ago

Arya had a killing spree along her way. She just about became an assassin. It kind of marks different paths people can take. Arya decided to let it all go and help people while Dany was consumed with vengeance.

The “right” death for Cersei, narratively speaking, is that she dies due to having made one terrible leadership decision after another — which is exactly what happens and Cersei is literally crushed by the collapsing weight of the building that symbolizes her power (not entirely unlike the way she blew up her enemies at the end of season 6).

Makes me think they were going for symbolism. Cersei was crushed by the weight of the crown and the weight of the decisions she has made and her lust for power. In the end, it all came crashing down.

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
11.1  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Ender @11    2 weeks ago

I have this hunch that Arya will be wearing the crown of the Seven Kingdoms when the final "curtain" drops. 

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
11.1.1  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @11.1    one week ago
I have this hunch that Arya will be wearing the crown of the Seven Kingdoms when the final "curtain" drops

I have a hunch she's going to be the new 'Queen slayer' killing Dany (because she has Sansa executed for treason) who has gone mad and fearful of all around her and Jon will become King but then be forced to arrest and convict Arya of Dany's assassination.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
11.1.2  1stwarrior  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @11.1.1    one week ago

Sansa's dead?????

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
11.1.3  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  1stwarrior @11.1.2    one week ago

Not yet... ;)

 
 
 
1stwarrior
11.1.4  1stwarrior  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @11.1.3    one week ago

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Jack_TX
11.1.5  Jack_TX  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @11.1.1    one week ago
I have a hunch she's going to be the new 'Queen slayer' killing Dany (because she has Sansa executed for treason) who has gone mad and fearful of all around her and Jon will become King but then be forced to arrest and convict Arya of Dany's assassination.

OK....that's really good.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
12  Jack_TX    2 weeks ago

I'm not sure what was surprising.  

As a ruler, Danerys has always been driven by emotion first, has always behaved immaturely and has always made terrible decisions.

She's been evolving as a power-mad Targeryan for several seasons.  Just last week she demanded that the man she supposedly loves keep secret his rightful destiny.  What more foreshadowing did we require?

 
 
 
evilgenius
13  evilgenius    one week ago

I couldn't read all the comments (I'm on my lunch break.) but I do remember the Mother of Dragons burn a building full of Dothraki leaders, a slaver and two Tarly's prior to finding the second man she ever loved betrayed her. She was already broken before this battle.

Arya is the personification of Death on a pale horse going into the last episode. Will she survive? Will John? What's going in Winterfell?

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
13.1  Trout Giggles  replied to  evilgenius @13    one week ago

Yeah, what IS going on in Winterfell?

I want to know what happens to Brienne of Tarth and Samwell Tarly

 
 
 
1stwarrior
13.2  1stwarrior  replied to  evilgenius @13    one week ago

Everybody knows that the Pale Horse was Clint Eastwood - when's he gonna show up?

 
 
 
It Is ME
13.2.1  It Is ME  replied to  1stwarrior @13.2    one week ago
Everybody knows that the Pale Horse was Clint Eastwood - when's he gonna show up?

He's President right now, reeking havoc on the Big-Time Political owners of Congress. jrSmiley_100_smiley_image.jpg

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
14  sandy-2021492    one week ago

So I don't watch GoT, but I seem to be absorbing it by osmosis from my Facebook friends.

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Transyferous Rex
14.1  Transyferous Rex  replied to  sandy-2021492 @14    one week ago

That's funny. I can't get my kids to watch the Princess Bride. I loved that movie. 

Oddly, there have been some ROUS sightings in GOT. And, Jon Snow was only mostly dead.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
14.1.1  sandy-2021492  replied to  Transyferous Rex @14.1    one week ago
I can't get my kids to watch the Princess Bride. I loved that movie. 

Same with my son.  He thinks it's stupid.  I still laugh when I watch it.

LOL at Jon Snow being mostly dead.  He just needed Miracle Max and his chocolate-covered pill.  Have fun storming the castle, boys!

 
 
 
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