Faked Pelosi videos, slowed to make her appear drunk, spread across social media

  
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Faked Pelosi videos, slowed to make her appear drunk, spread across social media
Distorted videos of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), altered to make her sound as if she’s drunkenly slurring her words, are spreading rapidly across social media, highlighting how political disinformation that clouds public understanding can now spread at the speed of the Web.

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Faked Pelosi videos, slowed to make her appear drunk, spread across social media





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Pelosi videos manipulated to make her appear drunk are being shared on social media

Altered videos of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), slowed down to make her sound sluggish and slurred, are spreading across social media. (Blair Guild, Elyse Samuels/The Washington Post)

Distorted videos of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), altered to make her sound as if she’s drunkenly slurring her words, are spreading rapidly across social media, highlighting how political disinformation that clouds public understanding can now spread at the speed of the Web.

The video of Pelosi’s onstage speech Wednesday at a Center for American Progress event, in which she said President Trump’s refusal to cooperate with congressional investigations was tantamount to a “coverup," was subtly edited to make her voice sound garbled and warped. It was then circulated widely across Twitter, YouTube and Facebook.

One version, posted by the conservative Facebook page Politics WatchDog, has been viewed more than 1.4 million times, been shared more than 32,000 times, and garnered 16,000 comments with users calling her “drunk” and “a babbling mess.”

The origin of the altered video remains unclear but its spread across social media comes amid a growing feud between congressional Democrats and Trump. In addition to links from multiple YouTube and Twitter accounts, the video has appeared in the comments sections of message boards and regional news outlets.

Analyses of the video by Washington Post journalists and outside researchers indicate that the video has been slowed to about 75 percent of its original speed. To possibly correct for how that speed change would deepen her tone, the video also appears to have been altered to modify her pitch, to more closely resemble the sound of her natural speech.

The altered video’s spread highlights the subtle way that viral misinformation could shape public understanding in the run-up to the 2020 election. Spreaders of misinformation don’t need sophisticated technology to go viral: Even simple, crude manipulations can be used to undermine an opponent or score political points.

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Clipping politicians’ speech into videos designed to undermine or embarrass them is nothing new. But the outright altering of sound and visuals signals a concerning new step for falsified news, as presidential campaigns and their supporters battle to boost political messages and influence people online.

“There is no question that the video has been slowed to alter Pelosi’s voice,” said Hany Farid, a computer-science professor and digital-forensics expert at University of California, Berkeley.

“It is striking that such a simple manipulation can be so effective and believable to some,” he added. “While I think that deepfake technology poses a real threat," he said, in reference to more sophisticated computer-altered videos, "this type of low-tech fake shows that there is a larger threat of misinformation campaigns — too many of us are willing to believe the worst in people that we disagree with.”

Owners of the Politics WatchDog page and representatives from Facebook did not respond to requests for comment. Pelosi’s office and Twitter declined to comment.

YouTube spokesman Farshad Shadloo said the Pelosi videos violated company policies and have been removed. They did not appear prominently on the site, he added, and searches for Pelosi-related videos surface content from more authoritative sources.

Pelosi’s voice was distorted in a separate YouTube video, posted earlier this month by a conservative channel with more than 28 million total views. That video slowed a speech Pelosi had given to the American Road & Transportation Builders Association to make her words sound notably slurred. That video appeared to be a version of another video with roughly 200,000 views, in which a man laughed over of a spliced montage of her speech. The original audio shows no such distortion.

Such minor manipulations have become a growing obstacle for covering and understanding Washington. In November, a video of CNN reporter Jim Acosta holding onto a microphone while a White House intern attempted to retrieve it was subtly altered to make the altercation look more dramatic. The edited clip, originally shared by a creator of conspiracy-theory videos, was then shared widely across social media, including by White House press secretary Sarah Sanders.

Pelosi has been the target of similar efforts before. A video last year from The Next News Network, a conservative YouTube channel with more than 1 million subscribers, said Pelosi was “fumbling” her speech because she was drunk or “pretty sick." The channel’s owner did not respond to requests for comment.

A YouTube channel called The American Mirror posted a video saying Pelosi garbled her words and suffered an “awkward 5-second brain freeze” at a speech earlier this month. That channel, which is almost entirely dedicated to videos crafted to criticize or embarrass female Democratic leaders such as Pelosi and Hillary Clinton, has more than 30 million total views.

Kyle Olson, who runs the channel, said he found it "interesting" that "not a single reporter asks any questions when she suffers brain freezes." The videos, he added, "get hundreds of thousands of views because they speak for themselves: there is something not right with her."

Pelosi’s deputy chief of staff Drew Hammill said, “We’re not going to comment on this sexist trash.”




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JohnRussell
1  seeder  JohnRussell    3 weeks ago

link to faked video

https://twitter.com/oypy11/status/1131350176218714113

 
 
 
MrFrost
1.1  MrFrost  replied to  JohnRussell @1    3 weeks ago
https://twitter.com/oypy11/status/1131350176218714113

This person has a whopping 66 followers. Probably not even a female. Most likely a Russian troll. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
1.2  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @1    3 weeks ago

Despite the fake video, she has been showing signs of age when she speaks, at times slurring her words and making mistakes. The same can be said of Biden.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
1.2.1  Bob Nelson  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2    3 weeks ago
Despite the fake video, she has been showing signs of age when she speaks

Can you back this assertion up?

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.2.2  Tessylo  replied to  Bob Nelson @1.2.1    3 weeks ago

'Can you back this assertion up?'

Of course not!

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.2.3  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2    3 weeks ago

Ms. Pelosi and Mr. Biden can run rings around the turd of a 'president' verbally and intellectually.

What's the 'president's' excuse when he slurs his words and makes many, many, many, many, many mistakes on a daily basis?

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
1.2.4  Freedom Warrior  replied to  Bob Nelson @1.2.1    3 weeks ago

I can back it up. Of course it should come with a warning.  You might be at risk for demented mental manifestations if you listen too long to PelosiSpeak.   So you'll have to sign a waiver.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
1.2.5  Greg Jones  replied to  Bob Nelson @1.2.1    3 weeks ago

No need to back it up.

It's so obvious when you watch her stumble and mumble her words any time she speaks.

Very obvious signs of deteriorating mental function and approaching senility.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
1.2.6  Greg Jones  replied to  Tessylo @1.2.3    3 weeks ago

Can you give us some examples?

He speaks clearly and to the point.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
1.2.7  Bob Nelson  replied to  Greg Jones @1.2.5    3 weeks ago
No need to back it up.

So it's just your opinion, without grounds. Whatever that may be worth...

 
 
 
lib50
1.2.8  lib50  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2    3 weeks ago

Lol, Vic.   There is no way in hell the gop spins this while they've got Trump at the helm. Good grief, did you watch him yesterday?   Holy shit.

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.2.9  Tessylo  replied to  Greg Jones @1.2.6    3 weeks ago
He speaks clearly and to the point.

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Jasper2529
1.2.10  Jasper2529  replied to  Bob Nelson @1.2.1    3 weeks ago

Deleted by Jasper.

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.2.11  Tessylo  replied to  Freedom Warrior @1.2.4    3 weeks ago
'I can back it up.'

So you can't back it up then.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
1.2.12  Jasper2529  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2    3 weeks ago
Despite the fake video, she has been showing signs of age when she speaks, at times slurring her words and making mistakes. The same can be said of Biden.

Yes they have, and Laura Ingraham succinctly lays it out for all to see. (Notice Nancy Pelosi holds up 2 fingers as she says "3 things".)

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/laura-ingraham-blasts-pelosi-out-of-step-with-america-and-has-lost-a-step

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.2.13  Tessylo  replied to  Jasper2529 @1.2.12    3 weeks ago

So that  nasty bitch Ingraham has one instance of Ms. Pelosi making one mistake?

Hilarious!

What about the 2 tracks that Rump was talking about?

He stated 3 tracks. . . 

Like Stephen Colbert said, and he still went off the rails.  

So again, you can't back it up.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
1.2.14  Jasper2529  replied to  Tessylo @1.2.13    3 weeks ago

I provided one recent example. If you want to see more, they're readily available on the Internet.

Like Stephen Colbert said

I don't rely on comedians for the news.

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.2.15  Tessylo  replied to  Jasper2529 @1.2.14    3 weeks ago

'I don't rely on comedians for the news.'

I rely on them for their satire, not the news.  

 
 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
1.2.16  Galen Marvin Ross  replied to  Greg Jones @1.2.6    3 weeks ago

Sure he does, here he is speaking clearly and, to the point. jrSmiley_10_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
1.2.17  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2    3 weeks ago

making mistakes

Add Trump to your list.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
1.2.18  Vic Eldred  replied to  Bob Nelson @1.2.1    3 weeks ago

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
1.2.19  Vic Eldred  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @1.2.17    3 weeks ago

That was no mistake. He's gonna be around for a long time

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.2.20  Tessylo  replied to  Galen Marvin Ross @1.2.16    3 weeks ago

He just keeps repeating the same shit over and over again.  This investigation isn't bad for our country, it's bad for Rump and everyone in his corrupt cabinet

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
1.2.21  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @1.2.3    3 weeks ago
Ms. Pelosi and Mr. Biden can run rings around the turd of a 'president' verbally and intellectually.

When politicians support things like the "green new deal" and felons voting, it can be argued that they don't have any intelligence at all

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
1.2.22  Vic Eldred  replied to  Jasper2529 @1.2.12    3 weeks ago

I saw it. I think Laura has really done a number on them. Can't wait for the DNC debates.

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.2.23  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2.22    3 weeks ago

Nasty bitch hasn't 'done a number' on anyone 

 
 
 
Jasper2529
1.2.24  Jasper2529  replied to  Galen Marvin Ross @1.2.16    3 weeks ago

Nice try. Your first video clip is from a Sept.6, 2018 rally in Billings, MT and is doctored. Here's the unedited/undoctored video of that rally:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fbg4Cs7wgZc

Re: 2nd video - Trump clearly says origins.

Come on, Galen ... you're better than this!  jrSmiley_7_smiley_image.png

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.2.25  Tessylo  replied to  Jasper2529 @1.2.24    3 weeks ago

He said origins kind of clearly maybe once

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
1.2.26  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @1.2.23    3 weeks ago

What about the school boy who was going to force her sponsors to drop her?

Where is he these days?

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.2.27  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2.26    3 weeks ago

What the fuck are you talking about?

 
 
 
pat wilson
1.2.28  pat wilson  replied to  Jasper2529 @1.2.24    3 weeks ago

I saw it live. He said "oranges" several times. One time he did say "origins".

 
 
 
Dulay
1.2.29  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2    3 weeks ago

What do you think are the 'oranges' of the problem? 

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.2.30  Tessylo  replied to  Dulay @1.2.29    3 weeks ago

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tomwcraig
1.2.31  tomwcraig  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2    3 weeks ago

Just watch one of Nancy Pelosi's press conferences from just this past week! She constantly stumbles over the simplest words, slurs her speech, and sways like she is drunk without any editing whatsoever! An exaggeration of a behavior is not misleading, it HIGHLIGHTS it. Everyone is condemning Trump for releasing an edited video that highlights what you will see on an EVERY DAY BASIS regarding Nancy Pelosi. The people up in arms about it are the partisan hacks whom cannot stand back and take an honest look at how Pelosi acts on a daily basis.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
1.2.32  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  tomwcraig @1.2.31    3 weeks ago

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tomwcraig
1.2.33  tomwcraig  replied to  JohnRussell @1.2.32    3 weeks ago

Why should I be?  I stated fact about Pelosi and those reacting negatively to the exaggeration of her behavior.

 
 
 
Dulay
1.2.34  Dulay  replied to  tomwcraig @1.2.33    3 weeks ago

So now 'exaggerations' are facts. Wow...somebody needs a fucking dictionary. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
1.2.35  Vic Eldred  replied to  tomwcraig @1.2.31    3 weeks ago
Just watch one of Nancy Pelosi's press conferences from just this past week! She constantly stumbles over the simplest words, slurs her speech, and sways like she is drunk without any editing whatsoever!

There's no question about it. She's not exactly Phyllis McGuire.  She's old and dare we say "feeble". It is her last term.

 
 
 
Don Overton
1.2.37  Don Overton  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2    3 weeks ago

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Don Overton
1.2.38  Don Overton  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2.35    3 weeks ago

Your comments are nothing but lies make to elicit a fight

 
 
 
Don Overton
1.2.39  Don Overton  replied to  Jasper2529 @1.2.14    3 weeks ago

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Don Overton
1.2.40  Don Overton  replied to  Jasper2529 @1.2.14    3 weeks ago

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Dulay
1.2.41  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2.35    3 weeks ago
There's no question about it.

Thanks for your uninformed proclamation. 

She's not exactly Phyllis McGuire. 

What has Phyllis McGuire done to serve this country? 

She's old and dare we say "feeble".

Yet she's still cleaning Trump's clock. 

Hilarious. 

It is her last term.

Pelosi was elected with 86.8 % of the vote. No one touched her in the primary. She'll be the Congresswoman from the 12th District of California as long as she wants to be. 

 
 
 
MrFrost
1.2.42  MrFrost  replied to  pat wilson @1.2.28    3 weeks ago
I saw it live. He said "oranges" several times. One time he did say "origins".

But but but.........he has the best words!!!!!! (Many of which other humans have never even heard). 

 
 
 
tomwcraig
1.2.43  tomwcraig  replied to  Dulay @1.2.34    3 weeks ago

No, I said that her actual press conferences are similar to the exaggeration in the video.  The fact is that her behavior mimics what was in the video and that behavior occurred just this week.

 
 
 
pat wilson
1.2.44  pat wilson  replied to  tomwcraig @1.2.43    3 weeks ago

The exaggeration in the video was subtle and that was intentional. Hence your innacurate observation.

 
 
 
tomwcraig
1.2.45  tomwcraig  replied to  pat wilson @1.2.44    3 weeks ago

My so-called inaccurate observation is actually based on MULTIPLE UNEDITED news conferences by Pelosi this PAST WEEK!  I saw a clip of the edited video and immediately remarked on how it wasn't inaccurate if you actually took the time to WATCH and LISTEN to ANY of her news conferences.  She is constantly stumbling over the simplest words and sounds, sways like she is drunk, and slurs most of what she says to the point it is almost pointless for her to speak because she almost cannot make a coherent sound.

 
 
 
pat wilson
1.2.46  pat wilson  replied to  tomwcraig @1.2.45    3 weeks ago

You're spending an inordinate amount of time studying Nancy, kinda odd.

 
 
 
pat wilson
1.2.47  pat wilson  replied to  MrFrost @1.2.42    3 weeks ago

Would you like a covfefe with your hamberder ?

 
 
 
Dulay
1.2.48  Dulay  replied to  tomwcraig @1.2.43    3 weeks ago
No, I said that her actual press conferences are similar to the exaggeration in the video.

Since they're the same video they'd have to be similar.

You're seeing what you want to see. 

Carry on. 

 
 
 
tomwcraig
1.2.49  tomwcraig  replied to  Dulay @1.2.48    3 weeks ago

The videos I have seen are not the same video, since they were of MULTIPLE Press Conferences held by her not the one that was edited.  Pay attention.

 
 
 
tomwcraig
1.2.50  tomwcraig  replied to  pat wilson @1.2.46    3 weeks ago

How is that kinda odd, since she is the Speaker of the House of Representatives and in line to be President after Pence should something happen to Trump?  Shouldn't we be observing her to see if she is fit to hold the office?

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
1.2.51  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  tomwcraig @1.2.50    3 weeks ago
Shouldn't we be observing her to see if she is fit to hold the office?

But completely ignore our responsibility to do the the same with the current occupant?

"She is constantly stumbling over the simplest words and sounds, sways like she is drunk, and slurs most of what she says to the point it is almost pointless for her to speak because she almost cannot make a coherent sound."

I have never heard her sounding or looking drunk. She sounds a lot like most of the 79 year old grandmothers I insure. Does she stutter occasionally when trying to find the right words to express her frustration with a man baby President? Yes, it's happened. But what you refer to as "exaggeration" was just some bold faced lying bullshit and you know it.

The video manipulation was as much exaggeration as me slowing down a picture of you blinking and stopping it half way and saying "Look! He's a stoner!" and then trying to defend it by saying "So what if I 'exaggerated' the video, your eyes look half closed all the time, for a half a second, every time you blink, so you know, I'm not wrong, must be a stoner...".

 
 
 
nightwalker
1.2.52  nightwalker  replied to  Jasper2529 @1.2.14    3 weeks ago

"I don't rely on comedians for the news."

Sure you do, except they pretend to be newscasters and pundits.

 
 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
1.2.53  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  pat wilson @1.2.28    3 weeks ago
One time he did say "origins".

And the very next time he tried to say it "oranges" came out again.  You could see the panic in his eyes realizing the wrong word kept coming out of his shithole of a mouth.  It was the realization that he had dementia.  

 
 
 
Dulay
1.2.54  Dulay  replied to  tomwcraig @1.2.49    3 weeks ago
Pay attention.

Be more articulate. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
1.2.55  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  tomwcraig @1.2.33    3 weeks ago
I stated fact about Pelosi and those reacting negatively to the exaggeration of her behavior.

In my opinion those who adhere to conspiracy theories and praise Trump for "exaggerating" alleged traits of his political opponents should be ashamed. On Newstalkers we are not allowed to say such things. 

I think this forum is at a low point. 

It is impossible to separate the malfunctions lies and ignorance of the Trump presidency without referring to his most devoted supporters. His supporters are the ones who supply his bizarre ramblings with whatever small amount of credulity they achieve. Without his devoted supporters Trump would have no choice but to stop. 

We have here the president of the United States actively and enthusiastically spreading fake news. Any video of Pelosi that edits her statements to make them seem more stumbling or halting , or slow, than they really were is fake news. So we have a president spreading what is KNOWN to be fake news. 

This is not defensible. The fact that Trump supporters try and defend it is only one more reason to despise them. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
1.2.56  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @1.2.55    3 weeks ago
On Newstalkers we are not allowed to say such things.

And yet, your own words contradict you.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
1.2.57  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Texan1211 @1.2.56    3 weeks ago

You never know when your comments are going to be deleted here.

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.2.58  Tessylo  replied to  JohnRussell @1.2.55    3 weeks ago

All the fake news the turd 'president' rants on about is coming from him and his supporters.  

 
 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
1.2.59  Galen Marvin Ross  replied to  Jasper2529 @1.2.24    3 weeks ago

Jasper, I don't know what you're smoking but, I hope one day you share it, Trump slurred his speech in both video's and, they were not doctored.

 
 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
1.2.60  Galen Marvin Ross  replied to  Dulay @1.2.29    3 weeks ago

Maybe this?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2  seeder  JohnRussell    3 weeks ago

This is the political right's way to try and win. It reminds of the smear campaign about Hillary's health that used doctored videos and other fake documents during the 2016 campaign. Sadly we even saw these fake news hoaxes posted here on Newstalkers. 

 
 
 
Greg Jones
2.1  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @2    3 weeks ago

Hillary really was in very bad health, in addition to being an alcoholic.

Most likely she drugs too. Certainly not fit to be president.

 
 
 
MrFrost
2.1.1  MrFrost  replied to  Greg Jones @2.1    3 weeks ago
Hillary really was in very bad health, in addition to being an alcoholic. Most likely she drugs too.

Prove.....ANY of that BS? 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
3  seeder  JohnRussell    3 weeks ago

https://www.washingtoanpost.com/technology/2019/05/23/faked-pelosi-videos-slowed-make-her-appear-drunk-spread-across-social-media/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.f08ed8476a42

 
 
 
MrFrost
4  MrFrost    3 weeks ago

Not very shocking actually, considering they faked the PP videos as well, (which resulted in a mass shooting, killing three). 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colorado_Springs_Planned_Parenthood_shooting

(Sorry for straying a tad from the topic John). 

 
 
 
Greg Jones
4.1  Greg Jones  replied to  MrFrost @4    3 weeks ago

It's all in good fun, wouldn't be surprised if it was AOC posting the video.

Nope....the PP videos were not faked.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
4.1.1  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Greg Jones @4.1    3 weeks ago
Nope....the PP videos were not faked.

Some on the right have a long history of actions that I believe they defend and justify by believing the "ends justify the means". They fake videos, lie, cheat, break campaign finance laws, whatever it takes to get their chosen ideologue in a position of power. It's frankly disgusting, but there it is, the supposed alt-righteous crawling on their yellow bellies, mouths full of lies and deceit. 

"The videos showed how abortion providers made fetal tissue available to researchers, although no problems were found with the legality of the process. All of the videos were found to be altered"

"CMP disputed this finding, attributing the alterations to the editing out of "bathroom breaks and waiting periods."

"The analysis' 'concluded that the longer version was also edited, with skips and missing footage"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planned_Parenthood_2015_undercover_videos_controversy

"workers at offices of the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN), a non-profit organization that had been involved for nearly 40 years in voter registration, community organizing and advocacy for low- and moderate-income people, were secretly recorded by conservative activists Hannah Giles and James O'Keefe – and the videos "heavily edited" to create a misleading impression of their activities"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ACORN_2009_undercover_videos_controversy

"A photo of a woman protesting Brett Kavanaugh’s nomination to the U.S. Supreme Court has been manipulated to make it look like former Vice President Joe Biden was there and kissed her."

https://www.factcheck.org/2019/05/doctored-photo-adds-biden-smooch/

"A viral meme attempts to undercut the evidence of climate change by using an edited cover of Time magazine — and regurgitating a misleading claim about “global cooling.”

https://www.factcheck.org/2019/05/manipulated-time-cover-on-climate-recirculates/

Right wing websites falsely attribute quote to AOC “Owning guns is not a right, if it were a right it would be in the constitution,”

There is no evidence that Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez said “owning guns is not a right,” contrary to what a viral meme claims.

https://www.factcheck.org/2019/04/a-phantom-ocasio-cortez-quote-on-gun-ownership/

They truly know no shame.

 
 
 
MrFrost
4.1.2  MrFrost  replied to  Greg Jones @4.1    3 weeks ago
Nope....the PP videos were not faked.

Actually they were. They were heavily edited to distort what was actually said. Example? In the original video, the PP workers stated over 40 times that an aborted fetus is not sold for cash, in the edited video? It's not said once. FAKE videos by project veritas. Nothing but a bunch of liars. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
4.1.3  Sean Treacy  replied to  MrFrost @4.1.2    3 weeks ago

y edited to distort what was actually said. Example? In the original video, the PP workers stated over 40 times that an aborted fetus is not sold for cash, in the edited video

Nope.

FAKE videos by project veritas. Nothing but a bunch of liars. \

Project veritas didn't take the videos.

othing but a bunch of liars.

Projecting?

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
4.1.5  Sean Treacy  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @4.1.1    3 weeks ago

Speaking of people who know no shame, let's discuss people on the left who continue to claim that the PP videos were deceptively edited:

http://www.ca5.uscourts.gov/opinions/pub/17/17-50282-CV0.pdf

Says the 5th Circuit Court of Appeals:

The record reflects that OIG had submitted a report from a forensic firm concluding that the video was authentic and not deceptively edited. And the plaintiffs [Planned Parenthood] did not identify any particular omission or addition in the video footage. 

They revel in gaslighting. 

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
4.1.6  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Sean Treacy @4.1.5    3 weeks ago
Says the 5th Circuit Court of Appeals

"Judge Edith H. Jones of the 5th Circuit criticized Sparks for being too “dismissive” of a report by the Texas Health and Human Services Commission’s Office of Inspector General that served as the basis for booting the organization from Medicaid and revoking $3.4 million in funding."

"Sparks had all but crumpled up that report and thrown it in the trash. He noted that the people who led the report — a lawyer and orthopedic sports-medicine surgeon — had no background in reproductive health care"

"Jones, an appointee of President Ronald Reagan, said Sparks was wrong to make these judgments. She said Texas’s report should have been given "deference” over the outside testimony from Planned Parenthood’s experts — regardless of Sparks’s opinions of the authors' qualifications."

"Jones, in particular, has openly criticized the Supreme Court’s decision in Roe v. Wade. In this ruling, she included a graphic photo of bloody fetal tissue that came from the video footage, apparently for dramatic effect, Chandler said."

"The report concluded Planned Parenthood had diverged from “standards of medical ethics" based on the video footage, which was produced by the Center for Medical Progress, an antiabortion group."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/01/18/court-rules-against-planned-parenthood-texas-sting-videos-case-bringing-it-step-closer-getting-defunded/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.5825223280f1

"the “smoking gun” of the original video occurs at the 12:24:00 mark when Nucatola states a price of “$30 to $100,” but it’s unclear exactly what she is talking about. In the unedited version, Nucatola adds a little clarification: “It has to do with space issues, are you sending someone there who is doing everything, or is their staff, what exactly are they going to do, is there shipping involved or are you coming to pick it up.”

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/pp-baby-parts-sale/

So the long and short is, yes the videos were cut and edited, but the 5th court ruled they were not "deceptively edited" to change what was shown. And from what is shown, some religious conservative Judges who already disagree with Roe v Wade decided that the parts of the video showing bloody fetal tissue was enough to claim Planned Parenthood had diverged from “standards of medical ethics" based on the video footage which is what the appeal was all about, getting some foothold in an effort to refuse them the $3.4 million in Medicaid funding for cancer screenings, health check ups and contraceptives for low income families, men and women who rely on Planned Parenthood for their reproductive health needs.

Sad that some religious conservatives think they should have the right to force their religious views and conscience on everyone around them. They think themselves so superior that they have to make laws to keep anyone from offending their conscience because they just can't trust people to be able to make those personal decisions for themselves. "Drunkenness is a sin against God! So if there's a chance someone might get drunk, then we have to ban all alcohol!", that's what the old abolitionists used to claim. "Abortion is a sin against God! So if there's a chance someone might get an abortion we have to ban all abortions!". Just more tired same ol' same ol' haughty busybodies ramming their noses in everyone's else's business making sure no one is offending their imagined God.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
4.1.7  Sean Treacy  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @4.1.6    3 weeks ago
but the 5th court ruled they were not "deceptively edited" to change what was shown

Game, set, match..

 
 
 
Tessylo
4.1.8  Tessylo  replied to  Sean Treacy @4.1.7    3 weeks ago

In your mind only

 
 
 
Greg Jones
4.1.9  Greg Jones  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @4.1.1    3 weeks ago

The words the "doctor" used while she ate her salad and drank her wine were not faked or inserted.

The Dems started all this fakery, lying, and making stuff up, so now they are going to have to learn to live with it.

 
 
 
MrFrost
4.1.10  MrFrost  replied to  Sean Treacy @4.1.3    3 weeks ago
Projecting?

Common sense? Truth? Intelligence? 

Yep, you bet. 

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
4.1.11  Thrawn 31  replied to  Greg Jones @4.1.9    3 weeks ago

Removed

 
 
 
nightwalker
4.1.12  nightwalker  replied to  Greg Jones @4.1.9    3 weeks ago

And the Dems started that crap exactly how and when? I thought it was a fux entertainment invention.

Share your research with us.

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
4.1.13  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  nightwalker @4.1.12    3 weeks ago
Share your research with us.

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"research"

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Badfish H҉a҉n҉d҉ ҉o҉f҉ ҉D҉o҉o҉m҉
5  Badfish H҉a҉n҉d҉ ҉o҉f҉ ҉D҉o҉o҉m҉    3 weeks ago

How do we tell drunk Nancy from sober Nancy?

Tough....

And hilarious.

 
 
 
MrFrost
5.1  MrFrost  replied to  Badfish H҉a҉n҉d҉ ҉o҉f҉ ҉D҉o҉o҉m҉ @5    3 weeks ago

Speed up the video to normal speed. 

 
 
 
lib50
5.2  lib50  replied to  Badfish H҉a҉n҉d҉ ҉o҉f҉ ҉D҉o҉o҉m҉ @5    3 weeks ago

I wonder how desperate a party has to be to use such doctored videos so many time.   No wonder that pimp O'Keefe and lying Deleiden use the same tactics, it must be in the starter kit.  How does it feel to be played so many times?

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
5.3  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Badfish H҉a҉n҉d҉ ҉o҉f҉ ҉D҉o҉o҉m҉ @5    3 weeks ago

How do you tell a hopped up Trump from a non hopped up one?

Not so tough.....

And sadly pathetic. 

 
 
 
Don Overton
5.4  Don Overton  replied to  Badfish H҉a҉n҉d҉ ҉o҉f҉ ҉D҉o҉o҉m҉ @5    3 weeks ago

[delete]

 
 
 
MrFrost
6  MrFrost    3 weeks ago

This has James O'Keefe written all over it. What a scumbag..

 
 
 
lib50
6.1  lib50  replied to  MrFrost @6    3 weeks ago

Did the pimp learn to fake videos from the gop or the gop take the wheel from the pimp?  Inquiring minds want to know. 

 
 
 
MrFrost
6.1.1  MrFrost  replied to  lib50 @6.1    3 weeks ago
Did the pimp learn to fake videos from the gop or the gop take the wheel from the pimp?

Either way, the answer is yes. 

 
 
 
 
Badfish H҉a҉n҉d҉ ҉o҉f҉ ҉D҉o҉o҉m҉
7  Badfish H҉a҉n҉d҉ ҉o҉f҉ ҉D҉o҉o҉m҉    3 weeks ago

Oh wow so serious. I thought the one with Trump and Obama were funny but then again I am not so uptight that I can't laugh at politicians.

I think they are all worthy of ridicule, satire and comedy.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
7.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Badfish H҉a҉n҉d҉ ҉o҉f҉ ҉D҉o҉o҉m҉ @7    3 weeks ago
I think they are all worthy of ridicule, satire and comedy.

You have posted dozens of "comedy" posts and seeds about the Democrats, Obama, Clinton, Pelosi, Harry Reid, etc. and basically zero about Republicans. 

I think most us see through your concept of "all". 

 
 
 
Badfish H҉a҉n҉d҉ ҉o҉f҉ ҉D҉o҉o҉m҉
7.1.1  Badfish H҉a҉n҉d҉ ҉o҉f҉ ҉D҉o҉o҉m҉  replied to  JohnRussell @7.1    3 weeks ago

John you are so partisan you cannot laugh at anything inside your party.

There are tons of these videos up on YouTube. Some funny and some stupid.

Get over it. It's not going to stop.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
7.1.2  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Badfish H҉a҉n҉d҉ ҉o҉f҉ ҉D҉o҉o҉m҉ @7.1.1    3 weeks ago

1. You don't make fun of "all", you make fun of one party exclusively. If you disagree, show us your portfolio of "satire" about Trump. 

2. Whether the video is "funny" or not, it is presented on social media as a factual matter. The twitter post I showed here has no indication whatsoever that the video is a prank, rather the twitter post says Pelosi "is a drunk".  The feeble minded among your compatriots on the right very well may be fooled by the video into thinking it is real. 

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
7.1.3  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  JohnRussell @7.1.2    3 weeks ago
Whether the video is "funny" or not, it is presented on social media as a factual matter

...and some on the right are sooo stupid they believe these supposed innocent jokes. That's why we had one of Trumps faithful showing up with a gun at a pizza parlor looking to stop the imaginary child sex ring being run by Hillary Clinton.

If they want to put these out as funny jokes, then they should be labeled as such, then only the dumbest would ever be mislead and there wouldn't have to be people that have to verify a videos authenticity like they had to do with this doctored Pelosi video. I have no problem with parody, but it obviously should identify itself as such if you want anyone to believe the "oh, this was all in good fun" shtick.

 
 
 
Badfish H҉a҉n҉d҉ ҉o҉f҉ ҉D҉o҉o҉m҉
7.1.4  Badfish H҉a҉n҉d҉ ҉o҉f҉ ҉D҉o҉o҉m҉  replied to  JohnRussell @7.1.2    3 weeks ago

No one gives a shit, congressional approval is beyond low.

Americans despise Congress.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
7.1.5  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Badfish H҉a҉n҉d҉ ҉o҉f҉ ҉D҉o҉o҉m҉ @7.1.4    3 weeks ago

You really have no answers, do you? 

 
 
 
Tessylo
7.1.6  Tessylo  replied to  Badfish H҉a҉n҉d҉ ҉o҉f҉ ҉D҉o҉o҉m҉ @7.1.4    3 weeks ago
Americans despise the majority of the gop congress, bunch of grifters, thugs, thieves  

 
 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
7.1.7  Galen Marvin Ross  replied to  Badfish H҉a҉n҉d҉ ҉o҉f҉ ҉D҉o҉o҉m҉ @7.1.1    3 weeks ago
John you are so partisan you cannot laugh at anything inside your party.

Pot meet Kettle.

 
 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
7.1.8  Galen Marvin Ross  replied to  Tessylo @7.1.6    3 weeks ago

 
 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
7.1.9  Galen Marvin Ross  replied to  Tessylo @7.1.6    3 weeks ago

Couldn't help it.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
7.1.10  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @7.1.2    3 weeks ago

Nothing on social media can be trusted and true, and I don't think there is a rule that it has to be.

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
7.1.11  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  Greg Jones @7.1.10    3 weeks ago
Nothing on social media can be trusted and true

word.

 
 
 
Don Overton
7.1.12  Don Overton  replied to  Badfish H҉a҉n҉d҉ ҉o҉f҉ ҉D҉o҉o҉m҉ @7.1.4    3 weeks ago

Unlike many on the right most people believe in the Constitution and what it says.  I have doubts about several on here;.

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
7.1.13  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Badfish H҉a҉n҉d҉ ҉o҉f҉ ҉D҉o҉o҉m҉ @7.1.4    3 weeks ago
No one gives a shit, congressional approval is beyond low.

I'd wage that never in the history of polling has the generic Congress approval been above 50% approval. Everybody loves to  hate Congress but generally  likes their particular congressperson.  So these polls are  pretty meaningless to begin with.  That being said, R approval is  about 11 points lower than D right now (38% v 27% in latest Quinnipiac poll).  

 
 
 
MrFrost
7.1.14  MrFrost  replied to  Greg Jones @7.1.10    3 weeks ago
Nothing on social media can be trusted and true, and I don't think there is a rule that it has to be.

I agree, that's why trumps idiotic tweets are nothing more than one lie after another. 

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
7.2  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Badfish H҉a҉n҉d҉ ҉o҉f҉ ҉D҉o҉o҉m҉ @7    3 weeks ago
I think they are all worthy of ridicule, satire and comedy.

It's amazing that you think that line still works for you no matter how often you, yourself, constantly give the lie to it. 

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
8  Bob Nelson    3 weeks ago

The right, nationally [deleted,] has nothing to say. No ideas. No suggestions.

Both nationally [deleted] the right has only attack - ATTACK - ATTACK.

Since there's not much on the left that is worthy of vitriolic vehemence, they "make stuff up". Their texts are nonsensical red meat, and they use the most un-complimentary photos they can find... and when that isn't ugly enough they alter those images.

So... creating fake videos is to be expected.

Honesty is not important for the right. The previous posts to this seed from our right-wing members are proof. The fake videos are not condemned - they are justified.

In a way, we're fortunate here [deleted] to have such a perfect microcosm of the far-right at a national level.

 
 
 
freepress
9  freepress    3 weeks ago

Now if only Fox will air the ACTUAL footage of Trump over the last 2 and a half years where he slurs his words at half of his "rallies" and makes public statements, if they would only air the number of outrageous tweets with poor grammar and his inability to even spell common words, if they would only air the number of times in public he cannot remember the names of people immediately around him or forgets their names like Tim "Apple", or if they would only air the many, many times he has been disoriented getting off the plane not seeing the car or security right in front of him, the times he wanders off, especially the times he has embarrassed our country wandering off the stage, missing cues, and other signs of dementia while representing his office overseas.

Talk about a mess, what a horrible, horrible family to allow their father to deteriorate before the eyes of the world and not once try to step in and get the man some seriously needed help. 

He is suffering, he is suffering from the deterioration of language, he is suffering from early dementia paranoia, he is suffering from short term memory loss unable to remember names, sometimes even forgetting faces in the room.

He is unfit for office beyond the horrible policies that hurt Americans, the man is old and suffering, and I cannot even imagine how much his family must hate him to let this go on. They are afraid of being disinherited and care nothing for him at all.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
9.1  Greg Jones  replied to  freepress @9    3 weeks ago

And horror of horrors, he's going to be reelected. jrSmiley_86_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
lib50
9.1.1  lib50  replied to  Greg Jones @9.1    3 weeks ago

Don't you wonder about a person who would knowingly post FAKE VIDEOS?  Does it cause a tidge of reflection?  If the moron at the top needs to rely on lies and fake videos (and not the first time), one might be wary of believing what he says.  If one cared about the truth. 

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
9.1.2  Bob Nelson  replied to  lib50 @9.1.1    3 weeks ago

[Removed]

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
9.1.3  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  lib50 @9.1.1    3 weeks ago
Don't you wonder about a person who would knowingly post FAKE VIDEOS?

Can't say that I do.  But then again I have better things to do than troll the internet looking for something to be outraged by.

 
 
 
lib50
9.1.4  lib50  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @9.1.3    3 weeks ago

You think one has to troll the internet looking for lies?  We are talking about the president of the country posting lies on a daily basis,   makes me wonder why you don't care.  Sad.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
9.1.5  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  lib50 @9.1.4    3 weeks ago

So basically you're freaking out over a sitting President who, pretty much, has done what every one of his predecessors and every other politician has done.  

And it nice to know that my life intrigues you so much that you wonder what I'm thinking.  You must lead a very boring life.

 
 
 
Texan1211
9.1.6  Texan1211  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @9.1.5    3 weeks ago

Some have been freaking out since November 2016.

 
 
 
Dulay
9.1.7  Dulay  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @9.1.5    3 weeks ago
So basically you're freaking out over a sitting President who, pretty much, has done what every one of his predecessors and every other politician has done. 

That is a desperate failed attempt at normalizing Trump's behavior.

Trump's behavior in office is outlying and abhorrent. The examples of that are too prevalent to list and ongoing.

I can't count how many conservative members here have openly admitted that they do not respect Trump as a person and do not support his behavior, though despite that, they do support many of his policies. That position is at least defendable, attempts at normalization aren't. 

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
9.1.8  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Texan1211 @9.1.6    3 weeks ago

My vote for best fake (from Trump) is the one he did of HRC being hit in the back with a golf ball.  It was just another cheap shot from the Twitter In Chief who has the emotional maturity of a two year old.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
9.1.9  Jasper2529  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @9.1.8    3 weeks ago
My vote for best fake (from Trump) is the one he did of HRC being hit in the back with a golf ball.  It was just another cheap shot from the Twitter In Chief who has the emotional maturity of a two year old.

That was a re-tweet of a gif that originated on The People's Cube, a political humor and satire site. Politicians typically have thick skin and can take it.  

http://www.watcherofweasels.org/trump-retweets-hillary-golf-ball/

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
9.1.10  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Jasper2529 @9.1.9    3 weeks ago

Politicians typically have thick skin

I guess Trump is no politician then.  

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
9.1.11  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  Dulay @9.1.7    3 weeks ago
That is a desperate failed attempt at normalizing Trump's behavior.

if trumps behavior was normal he would not have gotten elected.

but his behavior is normal for him.

cheers :)

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
9.1.12  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @9.1.11    3 weeks ago

It might be "normal" for him, but not for a POTUS.

 
 
 
Dulay
9.1.13  Dulay  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @9.1.11    3 weeks ago
f trumps behavior was normal he would not have gotten elected.

Perhaps it would behoove you to look up 'normalizing'. 

but his behavior is normal for him.

Hence the concept of outlier. 

cheers

Opa!. 

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
9.1.14  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  Dulay @9.1.13    3 weeks ago

no need. I know what the left means by the term normalizing.  

and there still is no need to normalize what is normal for trump/

we elected him to be not normal, and as normal, he is doing the job.

if every president after him does the same thing? fine by me.

cheers :)

 
 
 
Dulay
9.1.15  Dulay  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @9.1.14    3 weeks ago
no need. I know what the left means by the term normalizing.  

So what does the right mean by the term normalizing? 

and there still is no need to normalize what is normal for trump/

What is normal for Trump is not normal for the vast majority of civilized people. 

we elected him to be not normal, and as normal, he is doing the job.

You must be proud. 

if every president after him does the same thing? fine by me.

So Trump's standard is 'bullshit', do you want the next one to fling the 'F bomb'?

 
 
 
Jasper2529
9.1.16  Jasper2529  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @9.1.10    3 weeks ago
Politicians typically have thick skin I guess Trump is no politician then.  

Trump isn't the one who's whining about the video.

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
9.1.17  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  Dulay @9.1.15    3 weeks ago
does the right mean by the term normalizing?

I can not speak for the whole "right"

but I never use that word unless im being sarcastic, making fun of liberals and such. as far as I am concerned only batschit crazy leftsists us the term in earnest.   but I also understand how the lexicon changes over time so would not be surprised to hear that term from the right...  when I do I will ask them what they mean and get back to ya.

another way to spot a leftwingnut?  "oligarchy"   they freekin love that word also for some weird reason. maybe they think it makes them sound smart?

cheers )

 
 
 
Dulay
9.1.18  Dulay  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @9.1.17    3 weeks ago
I can not speak for the whole "right"

Why not? You had no issue speaking for the left. 

as far as I am concerned only batschit crazy leftsists us the term in earnest.

Well at least they're earnest...

another way to spot a leftwingnut? "oligarchy" they freekin love that word also for some weird reason.

So oligarchy is the lefts version of 'deep state'. 

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
9.1.19  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  Dulay @9.1.18    3 weeks ago
Why not? You had no issue speaking for the left.

I do not speak "for the left...

hell, I do not even speak "with the left.

I only speak "at the left.

cheers :)

 
 
 
Dulay
9.1.20  Dulay  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @9.1.19    3 weeks ago
I do not speak "for the left..

But you know what they mean by the term normalizing. Got ya. 

I only speak "at the left.

I've noticed that. 

 
 
 
Dulay
9.1.21  Dulay  replied to  Jasper2529 @9.1.16    3 weeks ago
Trump isn't the one who's whining about the video.

No he's whining about Nancy being mean to him...

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
9.1.22  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Texan1211 @9.1.6    3 weeks ago

And all because they lost.

It is kind of funny how they blame all the pre-existing problems on the "New Guy".  And when that "New Guy" does exactly like every other politician, it's suddenly wrong.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
9.1.23  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Dulay @9.1.7    3 weeks ago

[deleted] because your side lost the election, if Trump acts the same way Pelosi , it's suddenly wrong?  Kind of a double standard if you ask me.  It's also a good thing he doesn't act like her.  

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
9.1.24  sandy-2021492  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @9.1.12    3 weeks ago
but not for a POTUS.

Nor even for an adult.

 
 
 
Dulay
9.1.25  Dulay  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @9.1.23    3 weeks ago
because your side lost the election, if Trump acts the same way Pelosi , it's suddenly wrong? 

It has NOTHING to do with my 'side' loosing. It has to do with Trump's behavior being an outlier of every other person who has held the office. I went through the shit with Nixon, Reagan and both Bushs and despite some of the horrible shit they did, Trump TRUMPS them, no contest. Trump is disgusting. 

Kind of a double standard if you ask me. 

The double standard is coming from the 'Family values, rule of law' right. 

It's also a good thing he doesn't act like her.  

You're right, Trump doesn't act anything like Pelosi. Pelosi is a focused, successful leader. 

As far as it being good that Trump doesn't act like Pelosi, you're wrong. 

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
9.1.26  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  Dulay @9.1.25    3 weeks ago
It has to do with Trump's behavior being an outlier of every other person who has held the office.

that is the number 1 reason why he was elected.

if we wanted the same ol bs from the same ol politicians? hillary would have won.

 
 
 
Dulay
9.1.27  Dulay  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @9.1.26    3 weeks ago
that is the number 1 reason why he was elected.

Thereby setting such a low bar that even the most incompetent, corrupt and morally bankrupt are viewed as 'worthy'. 

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
9.1.28  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  Dulay @9.1.27    3 weeks ago
that even the most incompetent, corrupt and morally bankrupt are viewed as 'worthy'. 

if the bar was that low hillary could have oozed right under it.

but it was not to be... she is only worthy to be put in jail.

 
 
 
Dulay
9.1.29  Dulay  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @9.1.28    3 weeks ago
if the bar was that low hillary could have oozed right under it.

The point of setting the bar HIGH is for the worthy to be able to get OVER it. This ain't limbo. 

but it was not to be... she is only worthy to be put in jail.

Good luck with that. WTF is taking Trump so long? 

 
 
 
Tessylo
9.1.30  Tessylo  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @9.1.28    3 weeks ago
she is only worthy to be put in jail.

For what?

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
9.1.31  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  Dulay @9.1.29    3 weeks ago
WTF is taking Trump so long?

same thing that took mueller so long.

but with less leaks :)

 
 
 
Dulay
9.1.32  Dulay  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @9.1.31    3 weeks ago
same thing that took mueller so long.

Trump has been calling for Clinton to be locked up since 2015, almost double the time it took for Mueller to investigate. One would presume that he had the evidence required to do so back then. So why is he stalling? 

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
9.1.33  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Texan1211 @9.1.6    3 weeks ago
Some have been freaking out since November 2016.

And others have been doing so since November 2018.  

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
9.2  Freedom Warrior  replied to  freepress @9    3 weeks ago
beyond the horrible policies that hurt Americans

I'm not hurtby Trump, but then I am a legal US citizen.  But the Dems here in CA continue to fuck us over. 

 
 
 
MrFrost
9.2.1  MrFrost  replied to  Freedom Warrior @9.2    3 weeks ago
But the Dems here in CA continue to fuck us over. 

Fun facts:

1) There are a lot of republicans that live in California, as well. 

2) Without California, 10 red states would starve to death. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
9.2.2  Texan1211  replied to  MrFrost @9.2.1    3 weeks ago
Without California, 10 red states would starve to death.

That's nice. 

Prove it.

 
 
 
cjcold
9.2.3  cjcold  replied to  Texan1211 @9.2.2    3 weeks ago
Prove it.

Google is your friend.

 
 
 
Texan1211
9.2.4  Texan1211  replied to  cjcold @9.2.3    3 weeks ago
Google is your friend.

But, apparently, not the friend of the person making the false, outrageous claim, or yours either, since you didn't prove anything either.

 
 
 
tomwcraig
9.2.5  tomwcraig  replied to  MrFrost @9.2.1    3 weeks ago
2) Without California, 10 red states would starve to death. 

Funny, since California is busy starving its farmers of what is needed most for their crops and animals: Water.  The biggest farming area outside of vineyards is the San Joaquin Valley, and they cannot use the water in the valley because of a bait fish that is endangered.  So, your argument is a bit specious don't you think?

 
 
 
Dulay
9.2.6  Dulay  replied to  tomwcraig @9.2.5    3 weeks ago

Another unfounded proclamation. 

California is busy finding solutions for water usage: 

Last fall, in a historic first, competing water interests came together to produce a voluntary agreement (VA) that will govern water use, habitat projects, and implement new science-based management practices. The Public Policy Institute of California (PPIC) says the VA would, “increase flows in rivers and the Delta and make major investments in habitat. And perhaps most important, create sustainable funding for these efforts (including fees on water diversions), while improving scientific research on and governance of restoration efforts.”
This agreement is the result of years of collaboration between government agencies, water users and environmental interests, conducting scientific studies and projects that put the new science into practice. The VA takes us out of the slow grind of the existing regulatory process and allows us to use scientific structured decision-making to address problems as we go.

https://www.farmwater.org/farm-water-news/statement-voluntary-agreement-water-represents-future-deserves-prop-68-funding/

 
 
 
 
Dulay
9.2.8  Dulay  replied to  tomwcraig @9.2.7    3 weeks ago

Do you know what year it is tom? 

 
 
 
tomwcraig
9.2.9  tomwcraig  replied to  Dulay @9.2.8    3 weeks ago

Do you know how long it takes plants (particularly trees) to bear fruit in quantities needed to have a profit and how lack of water affects said trees?  Remember, that area is the largest almond (along with oranges) growing areas in the country.

EDIT: And, did you notice that the court case was a CONFIRMATION of the water restrictions, not a lifting of them?

 
 
 
Dulay
9.2.10  Dulay  replied to  tomwcraig @9.2.9    3 weeks ago
Do you know how long it takes plants (particularly trees) to bear fruit in quantities needed to have a profit and how lack of water affects said trees? 

Since I'm a horticulturalist, yes.

Do you know that the regulations ruled on in the case you cited are FEDERAL not state? So if you what to whine about 'starving farmers', whine to the Feds. 

Remember, that area is the largest almond (along with oranges) growing areas in the country.

Remember that the area is ARID and that it was in an "exceptional drought' the year of that ruling [2014]. Perhaps the farmers down there should grow shit that requires LESS water instead of demanding that Northern CA supply them with enough water to make a profit on water guzzling crops. ONE almond require 1.25 GALLONS of water to grow. ONE orange takes almost 14 GALLONS. It's unsustainable. 

EDIT: And, did you notice that the court case was a CONFIRMATION of the water restrictions, not a lifting of them?

Why yes tom, YES I did. Did YOU notice that the link that I posted states that SINCE that litigation the state, which you are whining about, has passed a proposition and worked out a VOLUNTARY system that addresses both the environmental and agricultural needs of the state? 

Sheesh. 

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
9.3  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  freepress @9    3 weeks ago
Now if only Fox will air the ACTUAL

I think you are mistaking Fox with CNN.  Hysterics do that.

 
 
 
lib50
9.3.1  lib50  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @9.3    3 weeks ago

You just posted to me you don't care about doctored videos,  why would anybody want to go with your sources?

 
 
 
MrFrost
9.3.2  MrFrost  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @9.3    3 weeks ago
I think you are mistaking Fox with CNN. 

Unlikely. But equally sad is that you'll believe trump when he says CNN is fake news, when trump has told in excess of 10,000 lies in just over two years. If it's fake news? It's coming from trump. 

Notice that trump has stopped screaming that everything he doesn't like is "fake news"? Why? Because 99% of the time when he says something is fake news, it turns out to be true. Remember when Stormy Daniles was, "fake news"? Ooops. 

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
9.3.3  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  lib50 @9.3.1    3 weeks ago

What I posted it I have better things to do than be in constant freak out mode about a woman who has been part of the problem in the Federal Government since the 1980's.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
10  Tessylo    3 weeks ago

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Freedom Warrior
10.1  Freedom Warrior  replied to  Tessylo @10    3 weeks ago

deleted for context.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
10.1.1  Greg Jones  replied to  Freedom Warrior @10.1    3 weeks ago

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lib50
10.1.2  lib50  replied to  Freedom Warrior @10.1    3 weeks ago

deleted for context  

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
10.1.3  Freedom Warrior  replied to  lib50 @10.1.2    3 weeks ago

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luther28
11  luther28    3 weeks ago

I may be incorrect, but I believe Ms. Pelosi does not really drink.

 
 
 
Raven Wing
11.1  Raven Wing  replied to  luther28 @11    3 weeks ago

I may be incorrect, but I believe Ms. Pelosi does not really drink.

I do believe you are correct. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
11.2  Tessylo  replied to  luther28 @11    3 weeks ago

The 'president' doesn't either.

What's his excuse?

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
11.3  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  luther28 @11    3 weeks ago

I think she would give Norm from Cheers a good run.

 
 
 
JBB
11.3.1  JBB  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @11.3    3 weeks ago

Based on what? Dirty trickster's janked-up fakeass tape? That is lame...

 
 
 
luther28
11.3.2  luther28  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @11.3    3 weeks ago

Any particular rational behind your statement, or just because?

 
 
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