Winnable war: Supremes uphold cross

  
Via:  heartland-american  •  4 months ago  •  31 comments

Winnable war: Supremes uphold cross
The Bladensburg Peace Cross is perfectly constitutional without any question. Let's be grateful to the God of the Bible that the Supreme Court sees it the same way.

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The Supreme Court today rejected a challenge to the constitutionality of the Bladensburg Peace Cross. Good for them. It is simply impossible for this cross to violate the Constitution in any way.

It was erected in Maryland in 1925 to honor the memories of 49 local men who gave their last full measure of devotion defending our liberties during World War I. It was financed and constructed by the American Legion.

The complaint against the cross, which has stood unmolested for 94 years, came from just three people who complained of "unwelcome contact" with the cross, which means they could see it from their car when they drove to work. But as Clarence Thomas has frequently pointed out, the minimum thing you must have for a violation of the First Amendment is some kind of coercion. Well, nobody here is forcing anybody to do anything. Nobody is obligated to look at the cross, venerate it, believe what it stands for, or even drive by it.

1bladensburgcross_350x219.jpg Humanists challenged it before the Supreme Court as a violation of the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment. The Associated Press , in its garbled coverage, says this clause "prohibits the government from favoring one religion over others."

But that is not at all what the Establishment Clause prohibits. It does not prohibit Congress from "favoring one religion over others," it specifically and only prohibits Congress from passing a law that picks one Christian denomination and makes it the official church of the United States. As long as Congress does not do that, it cannot possibly violate the Establishment Clause.

The Constitution prohibits Congress, not Maryland, from establishing religion. You have to work at it to overlook this since "Congress" is the first word in the First Amendment. It is Congress that is restrained by the First Amendment and nobody else.

States under the Founders' Constitution were allowed to do anything they wanted with regard to religious expression. They still are, since the First Amendment has never been amended and means the same thing today it meant the day it was adopted.

bladensburg-peace-cross.jpg That only Congress was forbidden to establish religion is indisputably plain from the early history of the Republic. Even after the Constitution and the Bill of Rights went into full effect, in 1789 and 1791, 10 of the 13 states (at a minimum) had established religions in their states. That is,

they had selected one Christian denomination (or "sect," to use their word) and passed a law establishing it as the official state church. What was prohibited to Congress was permitted to the states.

Maryland is not Congress, and a cross is not a law. Maryland couldn't establish a national church even if it wanted to. If we use the Constitution as written by the Founders, it's impossible for Maryland to violate the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment.

And the federal government – including the judiciary – is further forbidden by the First Amendment to "prohibit … the free exercise" of religion. The people of Maryland were exercising their religious liberty when they erected this cross. The Supreme Court is forbidden by the federal Constitution from restricting religious liberty anywhere. If the justices had ruled against the cross, then whatever else they would have been doing, they would have been prohibiting the free exercise of religion, which they are expressly forbidden to do.

Since Congress – and by extension, the entire federal government – is forbidden to intrude into the religious affairs of any state, this case should not even have been in a federal court at all. The Supreme Court should have rejected this case when it was presented to them on grounds that it simply has no jurisdiction in a case like this. The Court should have kicked it back to Maryland for its Supreme Court to decide based on its own constitution.

As our national anthem has it, this is the "land of the free." The cross is perfectly constitutional without any question. Let's be grateful to the God of the Bible that the Supreme Court sees it the same way.



Bryan Fischer hosts "Focal Point with Bryan Fischer" every weekday on AFR Talk ( American Family Radio ) from 1:00 - 2:00 p.m. (Central). He  is author of  The Boy to Man Book: Preparing Your Son for Manhood .

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Heartland American
1  seeder  Heartland American    4 months ago

Liberty: War on veterans' memorials is over

Charlie Butts (OneNewsNow.com)

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Attorney Mike Berry of First Liberty Institute reacts to the U.S. Supreme Court's decision. "We're thrilled – this is a landmark victory for religious liberty. [It's] a major Supreme Court win," he tells OneNewsNow.

Berry believes the decision will have an impact on future decisions by atheists and other groups to use the courts to destroy the cross. "I think [it will discourage that], at least in terms of seeing activist groups using the Establishment Clause as a sort of weapon to target veterans' memorials, Ten Commandments displays, public prayer, and that kind of stuff," he adds.

In other words, atheist and humanist groups are forewarned by the decision – but what about Arlington National Cemetery where over 14,000 soldiers are buried?

"Anybody who reads this decision should come to the conclusion that Arlington Cemetery is off limits," Berry responds, "[and] that any legal attacks from this point forward that somebody tries to launch against some of these veterans memorials that happen to be … in the shape of crosses and Arlington Cemetery, those lawsuits are going to lose now."


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"Religious freedom is what allows America to flourish as a religiously diverse country that is peaceful and pluralistic. So for those who maybe dislike [this] decision, having freedom for all people to live according to their beliefs and for there to be public expression … really benefits the entire country and all Americans."....https://onenewsnow.com/ap/legal/supreme-court-upholds-cross-on-public-land-in-maryland

 
 
 
pat wilson
2  pat wilson    4 months ago

This subject was seeded 12 or so hours ago by someone else and it has a lot of comments. You may want to join in on that one rather than plugging up the FP feed with duplicate topics.

 
 
 
Heartland American
2.1  seeder  Heartland American  replied to  pat wilson @2    4 months ago

I went through recent seeds and didn’t see it.  Besides, I posted an opinion article on the topic, not a hard news article which makes it different enough.  

 
 
 
JohnRussell
3  JohnRussell    4 months ago

The writer of this article is a far right , discredited, evangelical nut case named Bryan Fischer. 

Are there no standards for seeding on this forum?

 
 
 
MrFrost
3.1  MrFrost  replied to  JohnRussell @3    4 months ago

Holy shit.... What an effing lunatic. You should seed an article about that idiot. 

 
 
 
Heartland American
3.1.1  seeder  Heartland American  replied to  MrFrost @3.1    4 months ago

That he was the author was a great reason to seed it from the source. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.2  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @3    4 months ago

Did the author misstate the SCOTUS decision?

 
 
 
Heartland American
3.2.1  seeder  Heartland American  replied to  Texan1211 @3.2    4 months ago

Can I answer? The answer is absolutely not.  

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.2.2  Texan1211  replied to  Heartland American @3.2.1    4 months ago

I just get tired of idiots attacking the source of everything they don't like.

Just tells me that they have no real argument so resort to that tired old tactic.

 
 
 
Heartland American
3.2.3  seeder  Heartland American  replied to  Texan1211 @3.2.2    4 months ago

Yep.  Attack the seeder, the author, and the source in any order rather than discussion on the actual article topic.  

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.2.4  Texan1211  replied to  Heartland American @3.2.3    4 months ago

But what else do they really have?

I'm just surprised that this, too, hasn't become Trump's fault somehow.

Give it time……………………………...

 
 
 
Heartland American
3.3  seeder  Heartland American  replied to  JohnRussell @3    4 months ago

Sadly there are but fortunately the source fits within them at least until the standard changes yet again.  

 
 
 
Heartland American
4  seeder  Heartland American    4 months ago

A great victory worthy of celebration. jrSmiley_24_smiley_image.gifjrSmiley_36_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
lib50
5  lib50    4 months ago

How weak the faith is when one has to resort to public idolatry to make sure everybody knows how pious and righteous one is?  In many cases its like they want to poke and gloat over those who don't share their faith.  Which tells a totally different story than they think.  

 
 
 
MUVA
5.1  MUVA  replied to  lib50 @5    4 months ago

It is like your post then.

 
 
 
lib50
5.1.1  lib50  replied to  MUVA @5.1    4 months ago

I notice nobody actually focused on the idolatry and gloating.   Not surprised.  And I don't care personally about the cross.  Doesn't bother me at all.  I'm speaking purely to those who feel a need to push and highlight their faith and take pride when they 'win',  and their need for public symbols.

 
 
 
Texan1211
5.1.2  Texan1211  replied to  lib50 @5.1.1    4 months ago

I'm sure that when the people erected the memorial, they were doing so just to promote their faith, and NOT to honor the soldiers who gave all.

 
 
 
lib50
5.1.3  lib50  replied to  Texan1211 @5.1.2    4 months ago

I'm talking about what is happening TODAY.  Things were perceived differently back in the days it was erected.    My point here is about those today who like to force their faith on the public and take glee in making the other side the loser and themselves the winner.  And its important because this is supposedly people of faith who like to think their shit don't stink.  And exhibit the very characteristics their religion is supposed to be against.  

 
 
 
Texan1211
5.1.4  Texan1211  replied to  lib50 @5.1.3    4 months ago
I'm talking about what is happening TODAY. Things were perceived differently back in the days it was erected.

Well, what is happening TODAY is that a few atheists got their panties all twisted up over a memorial that has been there for damn near 100 years.

My point here is about those today who like to force their faith on the public and take glee in making the other side the loser and themselves the winner.

In the case of the memorial( the topic) no one is having religion forced on them. The ONLY reason there was a "loser" or "winner" is because a few atheists got their panties all twisted up and sued.

And its important because this is supposedly people of faith who like to think their shit don't stink. And exhibit the very characteristics their religion is supposed to be against.

The people of faith who built the memorial are all dead now. I doubt sincerely that you have any clue as to what they thought.

You seem to like to tell others how they should act as Christians. Any particular reason why, and are you an expert on Christianity?

 
 
 
lib50
5.1.5  lib50  replied to  Texan1211 @5.1.4    4 months ago
You seem to like to tell others how they should act as Christians. Any particular reason why, and are you an expert on Christianity?

The same exact expertise as any other person who knows christianity.  I know the same commandments and bible passages and parables and messages.  Current evangelical/christians aren't shy about what they do and don't support (hello Roy Moore!).  Trump as the second coming?  The politicization of religion never works.  Lies ok.  Race baiting hate  ok.  Narcissism  ok.  Adultery  ok.  Sexual abuse  ok.  Treating 'the least of us' like shit?  ok.  Abuse of power  ok.  Can't pretend its not happening and its certainly not Jesus's message.  Its the opposite.   Its why me and millions of others don't want anything to do with organized religion. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
5.1.6  Texan1211  replied to  lib50 @5.1.5    4 months ago

Last I checked, I never asked you to have anything to do with any religion, organized or not.

I am just astounded how many so-called experts on the religion have none of their own.

I don't tell atheists what to believe or how they "should" act.

Why do you?

 
 
 
lib50
5.1.7  lib50  replied to  Texan1211 @5.1.6    4 months ago

You don't like religious hypocrisy being called out.  Then they need to keep their religion out of other peoples business.  They want crosses but not other religions to have the same rights (remember that mosque in NY they had a shitfit about?) They want their religion to usurp mine (when it comes to certain things) and pass laws to enshrine that control of others (example, women).  Since christians want to be the morality police and impose their standards on everybody, it comes with blowback.   A lot of 'anti-choice/lets force our religious brand' conservatives  like to dance around this issue and act surprised when the hypocrisy of their positions gets attention.  Then they go cheering abuse of children in the name of 'the law' (same laws they don't mind Trump breaking).    Standards on how people should act don't stop at christian, they apply to everybody.  Its the christians who seem to think they don't have to follow standards. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
5.1.8  Texan1211  replied to  lib50 @5.1.7    4 months ago

Nice rant, and entirely NOTHING to do with a concerned bunch of citizens who got together almost a hundred years ago to honor those who served and died.

But it was expected.

 
 
 
Texan1211
5.2  Texan1211  replied to  lib50 @5    4 months ago

Oh, yes, how absolutely HORRIBLE that people erected a war memorial in the form of (gasp!) a CROSS!

How weak is the disbelievers "faith" that they can't stand to even LOOK at a (GASP!) cross?

 
 
 
Heartland American
5.2.1  seeder  Heartland American  replied to  Texan1211 @5.2    4 months ago

It was built around 1925 on private land and it wasn’t until decades later that the state got ownership of the land it’s on. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
5.2.2  Texan1211  replied to  Heartland American @5.2.1    4 months ago

I know. Decades and decades of the memorial standing there, not bothering anyone, and NOW it is some big deal to a bunch of atheists?

Too fucking bad--they can just get over it already.

 
 
 
dave-2693993
6  dave-2693993    4 months ago

I don't know about al the left vs right nonsense, blah, bah, blah...

However I do know the Peace Cross was a commemoration to folks from this community who gave the ultimate sacrifice in the first World War.

JMO, anyone who wants to wipe that from history, regardless of the meanderings of property hand changing, can go pound sand.

That's my story and I am sticking to it.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
6.1  Jasper2529  replied to  dave-2693993 @6    4 months ago
wipe that from history

That's the ultimate goal: to erase history by removing monuments, statues, paintings, etc. Just like what the Taliban did.

 
 
 
lib50
6.1.1  lib50  replied to  Jasper2529 @6.1    4 months ago

Lol,  I'm sure the Taliban would love those war monuments to the losing side of a war against America.  Although not too many groups of people want to remember massive war defeats like that.  (ps who loves to burn books and cd's again?)

 
 
 
Heartland American
6.1.2  seeder  Heartland American  replied to  lib50 @6.1.1    4 months ago

Liberals, the SPLC,  and the internet social media, and msm so called fact checkers, snopes, politifact, etc.  

 
 
 
lib50
6.1.3  lib50  replied to  Heartland American @6.1.2    4 months ago

What happened to your affinity with the Constitution?  I see you've changed your avatar to reflect the new republican aspirations to autocracy.

 
 
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