6 Ways Bill Clinton Is Lying About His Assault Weapons ‘Ban’

  
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6 Ways Bill Clinton Is Lying About His Assault Weapons ‘Ban’
“Reinstate the Assault Weapons Ban Now,”

S E E D E D   C O N T E N T


It comes as no surprise that on Aug. 9 Time magazine published former president Bill Clinton’s op-ed calling for Congress to “reinstate” his so-called “ban” on so-called “assault weapons.” For decades, Time has been one of the media’s most extreme opponents of the right to keep and bear arms.

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In his new op-ed in Time, “Reinstate the Assault Weapons Ban Now,” Clinton points out that mass shootings were less frequent during the 10 years his “ban” was in effect, 1994-2004. But there are six important things he doesn’t point out, and four of them are reasons why, in this instance, the word “ban” needs to be surrounded by quotation marks.

First, Clinton’s “ban” did not confiscate existing “assault weapons.” It instead exempted the many hundreds of thousands of “assault weapons” that Americans already owned.

Second, while Clinton’s “ban” was in effect, the number of firearms that anti-gunners thought were going to be banned from manufacture instead increased.

Third, while Clinton’s “ban” also targeted so-called “large” ammunition magazines—anti-gunners’ term for standard-equipment magazines holding more than 10 rounds, including those for handguns—it did not order their confiscation. Magazines Americans already owned were exempted.

Fourth, while Clinton’s “ban” prohibited the domestic manufacture of those magazines, it allowed their importation. Therefore, the number of the magazines increased by the millions. To illustrate how many magazines Americans buy, when California’s magazine ban was temporarily lifted by a federal court ruling in Duncan v. Beccera last year, cargo jets filled with magazines quickly flew to California, where their contents were offloaded and transported to vendors throughout the state.

Fifth, Democrats are not interested in “reinstating” Clinton’s “ban.” The “assault weapon” legislation that Democrats have been pushing for the last 15 years would ban the manufacture of rifles like the AR-15 and a whole lot of other firearms regardless of how many external attachments they have.

Sixth, Joe Biden and some of the other Democrats running for president this year have said they support going even further: a law requiring government confiscation of so-called “assault weapons,” which now number well more than 10 million in the United States.

Twenty years ago, Clinton was held in contempt of court by a federal judge because, the judge said, Clinton gave “false, misleading and evasive answers that were designed to obstruct the judicial process.” Today, the same habitually dishonest Clinton is mischaracterizing his "ban" to help Democrats impose one with far more severe consequences.

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It Is ME
1  seeder  It Is ME    one month ago

The "Lefts" idea that Clintons idea of gun "Ban" was great, need to do better in the "thinking" and actually "reading about it" realm of reality.

Clintons "BAN" was nothing more than a 3 letter word that, like the word "Racist" these days, didn't mean squat.

But the "Left" sure does like that little 3 letter word though ! Then they're happy campers.....as nothing changes anyway. But the "Word" is there.

 
 
 
MrFrost
1.1  MrFrost  replied to  It Is ME @1    one month ago

Crime rate dropped for 8 years in a row while clinton was in office. 

 
 
 
It Is ME
1.1.1  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  MrFrost @1.1    one month ago
Crime rate dropped for 8 years in a row while clinton was in office.

He piled in the cops, which isn't a good thing now.

#metoo = "Fry them like bacon !

 
 
 
KDMichigan
1.1.2  KDMichigan  replied to  MrFrost @1.1    one month ago

Well yeah because Clinton brought all the Super Predators (Blacks) to heel by throwing them in prison for frivolous crimes.

So today you are proud of that?

 
 
 
Tacos!
1.1.3  Tacos!  replied to  MrFrost @1.1    one month ago
Crime rate dropped for 8 years in a row while clinton was in office.

The general crime rate is only impacted in trace amounts by legislation affecting so-called "assault weapons." Such weapons are used in about 2% of crimes. So, at most, getting rid of all of them entirely might lead to a 2% decrease in crime. In reality, though, criminals who can't get those guns simply use some other gun or some other weapon entirely.

Other factors, like policing, sentencing, the overall economy, social morality, population density, the age of the general population, and even climate have a much more significant impact on the crime rate than how many "assault rifles" are out there.

 
 
 
MrFrost
2  MrFrost    one month ago

 The Clinton Presidency:  A Historic Era of Progress and Prosperity     

    • Longest economic expansion in American history
      The President's strategy of fiscal discipline, open foreign markets and investments in the American people helped create the conditions for a record 115 months of economic expansion. Our economy has grown at an average of 4 percent per year since 1993.

    • More than 22 million new jobs
      More than 22 million jobs were created in less than eight years -- the most ever under a single administration, and more than were created in the previous twelve years.

    • Highest homeownership in American history
      A strong economy and fiscal discipline kept interest rates low, making it possible for more families to buy homes. The homeownership rate increased from 64.2 percent in 1992 to 67. 7 percent, the highest rate ever.

    • Lowest unemployment in 30 years
      Unemployment dropped from more than 7 percent in 1993 to just 4.0 percent in November 2000. Unemployment for African Americans and Hispanics fell to the lowest rates on record, and the rate for women is the lowest in more than 40 years.

    • Raised education standards, increased school choice, and doubled education and training investment
      Since 1992, reading and math scores have increased for 4th, 8th, and 12th graders, math SAT scores are at a 30-year high, the number of charter schools has grown from 1 to more than 2,000, forty-nine states have put in place standards in core subjects and federal investment in education and training has doubled.

    • Largest expansion of college opportunity since the GI Bill
      President Clinton and Vice President Gore have nearly doubled financial aid for students by increasing Pell Grants to the largest award ever, expanding Federal Work-Study to allow 1 million students to work their way through college, and by creating new tax credits and scholarships such as Lifetime Learning tax credits and the HOPE scholarship. At the same time, taxpayers have saved $18 billion due to the decline in student loan defaults, increased collections and savings from the direct student loan program.

    • Connected 95 percent of schools to the Internet
      President Clinton and Vice President Gore's new commitment to education technology, including the E-Rate and a 3,000 percent increase in educational technology funding, increased the percentage of schools connected to the Internet from 35 percent in 1994 to 95 percent in 1999.

    • Lowest crime rate in 26 years
      Because of President Clinton's comprehensive anti-crime strategy of tough penalties, more police, and smart prevention, as well as common sense gun safety laws, the overall crime rate declined for 8 consecutive years, the longest continuous drop on record, and is at the lowest level since 1973.

    • 100,000 more police for our streets
      As part of the 1994 Crime Bill, President Clinton enacted a new initiative to fund 100,000 community police officers. To date more than 11,000 law enforcement agencies have received COPS funding.

    • Enacted most sweeping gun safety legislation in a generation
      Since the President signed the Brady bill in 1993, more than 600,000 felons, fugitives, and other prohibited persons have been stopped from buying guns. Gun crime has declined 40 percent since 1992.

    • Family and Medical Leave Act for 20 million Americans
      To help parents succeed at work and at home, President Clinton signed the Family and Medical Leave Act in 1993. Over 20 million Americans have taken unpaid leave to care for a newborn child or sick family member.

    • Smallest welfare rolls in 32 years
      The President pledged to end welfare as we know it and signed landmark bipartisan welfare reform legislation in 1996. Since then, caseloads have been cut in half, to the lowest level since 1968, and millions of parents have joined the workforce. People on welfare today are five times more likely to be working than in 1992.

    • Higher incomes at all levels
      After falling by nearly $2,000 between 1988 and 1992, the median family's income rose by $6,338, after adjusting for inflation, since 1993. African American family income increased even more, rising by nearly $7,000 since 1993. After years of stagnant income growth among average and lower income families, all income brackets experienced double-digit growth since 1993. The bottom 20 percent saw the largest income growth at 16.3 percent.

    • Lowest poverty rate in 20 years
      Since Congress passed President Clinton's Economic Plan in 1993, the poverty rate declined from 15.1 percent to 11.8 percent last year — the largest six-year drop in poverty in nearly 30 years. There are now 7 million fewer people in poverty than in 1993. The child poverty rate declined more than 25 percent, the poverty rates for single mothers, African Americans and the elderly have dropped to their lowest levels on record, and Hispanic poverty dropped to its lowest level since 1979.

    • Lowest teen birth rate in 60 years
      In his 1995 State of the Union Address, President Clinton challenged Americans to join together in a national campaign against teen pregnancy. The birth rate for teens aged 15-19 declined every year of the Clinton Presidency, from 60.7 per 1,000 teens in 1992 to a record low of 49.6 in 1999.

    • Lowest infant mortality rate in American history
      The Clinton Administration expanded efforts to provide mothers and newborn children with health care. Today, a record high 82 percent of all mothers receive prenatal care. The infant mortality rate has dropped from 8.5 deaths per 1,000 in 1992 to 7.2 deaths per 1,000 in 1998, the lowest rate ever recorded.

    • Deactivated more than 1,700 nuclear warheads from the former Soviet Union
      Efforts of the Clinton-Gore Administration led to the dismantling of more than 1,700 nuclear warheads, 300 launchers and 425 land and submarine based missiles from the former Soviet Union.

    • Protected millions of acres of American land
      President Clinton has protected more land in the lower 48 states than any other president. He has protected 5 new national parks, designated 11 new national monuments and expanded two others and proposed protections for 60 million acres of roadless areas in America's national forests.

    • Paid off $360 billion of the national debt
      Between 1998-2000, the national debt was reduced by $363 billion — the largest three-year debt pay-down in American history. We are now on track to pay off the entire debt by 2009.

    • Converted the largest budget deficit in American history to the largest surplus
      Thanks in large part to the 1993 Deficit Reduction Act, the 1997 Balanced Budget Act, and President Clinton's call to save the surplus for debt reduction, Social Security, and Medicare solvency, America has put its fiscal house in order. The deficit was $290 billion in 1993 and expected to grow to $455 billion by this year. Instead, we have a projected surplus of $237 billion.

    • Lowest government spending in three decades
      Under President Clinton federal government spending as a share of the economy has decreased from 22.2 percent in 1992 to a projected 18.5 percent in 2000, the lowest since 1966.

    • Lowest federal income tax burden in 35 years
      President Clinton enacted targeted tax cuts such as the Earned Income Tax Credit expansion, $500 child tax credit, and the HOPE Scholarship and Lifetime Learning Tax Credits. Federal income taxes as a percentage of income for the typical American family have dropped to their lowest level in 35 years.

    • More families own stock than ever before
      The number of families owning stock in the United States increased by 40 percent since 1992.

  • Most diverse cabinet in American history
    The President has appointed more African Americans, women and Hispanics to the Cabinet than any other President in history. He appointed the first female Attorney General, the first female Secretary of State and the first Asian American cabinet secretary ever.

https://clintonwhitehouse5.archives.gov/WH/Accomplishments/eightyears-01.html

 
 
 
It Is ME
2.1  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  MrFrost @2    one month ago

" The Clinton Presidency: A Historic Era of Progress and Prosperity "

The article isn't speaking of anything more than his so-called "Gun Ban" non-accomplishment.

Nothing More....Nothing Less.

Your comment on this article is meaningless to the SUBJECT ! jrSmiley_76_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
MrFrost
2.1.1  MrFrost  replied to  It Is ME @2.1    one month ago

Read what I posted, it's very relevant.

 
 
 
MrFrost
2.1.2  MrFrost  replied to  It Is ME @2.1    one month ago

If Clinton isn't the subject, what is it? 

 
 
 
It Is ME
2.1.3  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  MrFrost @2.1.1    one month ago

Irrelevant !

 
 
 
MrFrost
2.1.4  MrFrost  replied to  It Is ME @2.1.3    one month ago
How is this not relevant? 

    • Lowest crime rate in 26 yearsBecause of President Clinton's comprehensive anti-crime strategy of tough penalties, more police, and smart prevention, as well as common sense gun safety laws, the overall crime rate declined for 8 consecutive years, the longest continuous drop on record, and is at the lowest level since 1973.

    • 100,000 more police for our streetsAs part of the 1994 Crime Bill, President Clinton enacted a new initiative to fund 100,000 community police officers. To date more than 11,000 law enforcement agencies have received COPS funding.

    • Enacted most sweeping gun safety legislation in a generationSince the President signed the Brady bill in 1993, more than 600,000 felons, fugitives, and other prohibited persons have been stopped from buying guns. Gun crime has declined 40 percent since 1992.

 
 
 
arkpdx
2.1.5  arkpdx  replied to  MrFrost @2.1.1    one month ago

Only in an irrelavent sort of way

 
 
 
It Is ME
2.1.6  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  MrFrost @2.1.2    one month ago
If Clinton isn't the subject, what is it? 

6 Ways Bill Clinton Is Lying About His Assault Weapons ‘Ban’

Get it now ?

Nothing More, Nothing Less.

The article goes no further than that ONE subject.

 
 
 
MrFrost
2.1.7  MrFrost  replied to  It Is ME @2.1.6    one month ago

So gun sweeping legislation has nothing to do with assault weapons? 

Look, I get it, you want an echo chamber so only posts you like get to stay, while you troll everyone else's article. You have a great day. 

 
 
 
It Is ME
2.1.8  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  MrFrost @2.1.7    one month ago
So gun sweeping legislation has nothing to do with assault weapons? 

Where was that said anywhere here ?

"while you troll everyone else's article."

Nothing in the seed about that.

Still needing to be "OFF TOPIC" ?

 
 
 
It Is ME
2.1.9  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  MrFrost @2.1.4    one month ago

More police is a no, no these days, and the Brady bill was nothing more than :

"a response to the use of a handgun in the attempted assassination of President Ronald Reagan in 1981. Four people were injured in the attacks. The Brady Bill, formally known as the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act, was passed by the Congress in November of 1993 as an attempt to restrict access to guns. The restrictions in the bills were not actually new. The Gun Control Act of 1986 established the laws governing who was able to obtain the weapons."

 
 
 
Don Overton
2.1.10  Don Overton  replied to  It Is ME @2.1.6    one month ago

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It Is ME
2.1.11  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  Don Overton @2.1.10    one month ago
Removed for context - s

Do explain.

 
 
 
SteevieGee
2.1.12  SteevieGee  replied to  It Is ME @2.1    one month ago

You realize that Bill Clinton left office 18 years ago and the assault weapons ban expired in 2004 right?

 
 
 
It Is ME
2.1.13  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  SteevieGee @2.1.12    one month ago
You realize that Bill Clinton left office 18 years ago right?

Yep....But you do realize, this Article came about because of a Bill Clinton Op-Ed from this year, run by the "Times" ?

 
 
 
SteevieGee
2.1.14  SteevieGee  replied to  It Is ME @2.1.13    one month ago

So what's the point of beating a dead horse?  Is the point to just post the words "assault weapons ban" in bold red letters?

 
 
 
It Is ME
2.1.15  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  SteevieGee @2.1.14    one month ago
So what's the point of beating a dead horse? 

You'll have to ask the Democrats Running for President, and Bill Clinton. They're the ones holding the bat right now, to try the Ban thingy again ! 

 
 
 
squiggy
2.1.16  squiggy  replied to  Don Overton @2.1.10    one month ago

“You have a great day.”

So ya went and changed hats.

 
 
 
SteevieGee
2.1.17  SteevieGee  replied to  It Is ME @2.1.15    one month ago

Neither the Democrats running for President or Bill Clinton are the President.  Trump's holding the bat right now and he's swinging at video games.  Republicans have an opportunity right now to make a difference but it appears that the NRA has a (ahem) gun to their heads.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
2.1.18  XDm9mm  replied to  SteevieGee @2.1.17    one month ago
opportunity right now to make a difference

Ok Stevie, exactly what should they do to "make a difference"?

 
 
 
bugsy
2.1.19  bugsy  replied to  It Is ME @2.1.11    one month ago
Do explain.

He won't. He is good for a stupid bomb then slivers back into the shadows, until the next stupid bomb.

 
 
 
It Is ME
2.1.20  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  SteevieGee @2.1.17    one month ago
Neither the Democrats running for President or Bill Clinton are the President. 

Yet Bill MUST speak anyway !

 
 
 
WallyW
2.2  WallyW  replied to  MrFrost @2    one month ago

Totally off topic and merely a distraction

 
 
 
Raven Wing
2.2.1  Raven Wing  replied to  WallyW @2.2    one month ago
Totally off topic and merely a distraction

Not your seed, not your call to make. If you want to call the shots on an article or seed, post your own.

 
 
 
squiggy
2.2.2  squiggy  replied to  Raven Wing @2.2.1    one month ago

It is off-topic, in plain, rational language. That it is allowed to exist can be simply to point out the desperation of the left.

 
 
 
Raven Wing
2.2.3  Raven Wing  replied to  squiggy @2.2.2    one month ago

Squiggy, I am not talking about whether or not the comment is off topic or not. Calling a comment off-topic is for the author's use only.

Click on the red Flag in any comment but your own and you will see that in the list it says, "Off-Topic (author use only)"

384

That is what I am talking about in my comment. No one but the author can call a comment off-topic. I foolishly thought that Members of NT would already know that.

 
 
 
squiggy
2.2.4  squiggy  replied to  Raven Wing @2.2.3    one month ago

Is it beyond Wally’s or my judgement to call it a distraction too? It is what it is - unless, in the mind of the great BJ Clinton, is isn’t is.

 
 
 
Raven Wing
2.2.5  Raven Wing  replied to  squiggy @2.2.4    one month ago

Squiggy...clarify that question with a Mod. 

 
 
 
squiggy
2.2.6  squiggy  replied to  Raven Wing @2.2.5    one month ago

I squared it with my Third Grade English teacher. She would have called it throwing shit into the fan, hoping something would stick.

 
 
 
Raven Wing
2.2.7  Raven Wing  replied to  squiggy @2.2.6    one month ago

Glad you got it clarified for ya. 

 
 
 
Sparty On
2.3  Sparty On  replied to  MrFrost @2    one month ago

C’mon Frosty, tell the whole story.    

As I recall control of both houses went to Republican’s in Clinton’s first mid-term election and stayed there after that for his entire two terms.    He was forced to be more centrist but to his credit he did it.    The last time I can recall the legislative and executive branches compromised to any degree.

The long and short of it ..... Republicans in Congress get credit for that expansion as well.

Thats just the truth of it.

 
 
 
WallyW
3  WallyW    one month ago

The gun grabbers think that criminals will gladly turn in their guns if more "feelgood" common sense laws are passed......or  buy them only from approved stores and gun shows.

 
 
 
It Is ME
3.1  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  WallyW @3    one month ago

Laws are only for the "Law Abiding Citizen" !

What a "Burden" we bear every time they make a new "Feel Good" law to "limit criminals".

Like "Criminals' are going to follow the law. Pffffffft ! jrSmiley_78_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
MrFrost
3.1.1  MrFrost  replied to  It Is ME @3.1    one month ago
Like "Criminals' are going to follow the law. Pffffffft !

Can you buy an assault weapon in CA.? 

No. 

The Garlic Fest shooter used an assault style weapon in CA. How?

He bought it in Nevada and drove to CA. 

 
 
 
XDm9mm
3.1.2  XDm9mm  replied to  MrFrost @3.1.1    one month ago
Can you buy an assault weapon in CA.?  No. 

That's all predicated on "definition".  By definition, a Ruger Mini-14 is not an "assault weapon", but it it the same functional SEMI-AUTOMATIC rifle as the ubiquitous AR-15 which gets everyone's panties in a bunch.  

Same ammunition.

Same firing capability.

BUT...  it doesn't have a "flash suppressor" or a pistol grip.  Oh, and it's not a scary black rifle either.  It has a nice wood stock.

So, MrFrost, exactly what makes the AR-15 more dangerous and banned than the not banned Ruger Mini-14 .  Please be specific.

 
 
 
It Is ME
3.1.3  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  MrFrost @3.1.1    one month ago
Can you buy an assault weapon in CA.?
No.

The Garlic Fest shooter used an assault style weapon in CA. How?

He bought it in Nevada and drove to CA. 

So the "BAN" didn't work on the "Murderer" huh.

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
3.1.4  Mark in Wyoming  replied to  XDm9mm @3.1.2    one month ago

LOL I have 3 30 round mags I bought during the ban years that fit BOTH the AR and the mini -14, usually you cant use ar mags in a mini and vice versa, though I am partial to 20s , only because the ammo comes in boxes of 20 and the military bandoliers are set up in 10 round stripper clips and the pockets hold 2 10 round strippers.

 
 
 
WallyW
3.1.5  WallyW  replied to  MrFrost @3.1.1    one month ago

Can you buy an assault weapon in CA.? 

Not legally.

Illegally, all kinds of sales can and do go on

 
 
 
XDm9mm
3.1.6  XDm9mm  replied to  Mark in Wyoming @3.1.4    one month ago
only because the ammo comes in boxes of 20

Boxes??   Sorry, when I purchase ammo, except for the 45-70 hand cannon my brother gave me, I buy in bulk and more often than not, it comes loose in ammo cans.

Of course, I do get the occasional box of specific ammo for hunting but more often than not, it's bulk.

Oh, have you tried any of the bulk loaders for 5.56?  I've seen them, but haven't had the opportunity to 'test em out' myself.  Load the rounds in the top hopper and just work the lever and bingo it's done.  It LOOKS like a real time saver.

 
 
 
squiggy
3.1.7  squiggy  replied to  MrFrost @3.1.1    one month ago

“He bought it in Nevada and drove to CA.”

Exactly. He broke all the laws he could - and yous people think another boatload of rules will save you. It’s abolition you’re after and where that ain’t gonna happen. 

 
 
 
KDMichigan
3.1.8  KDMichigan  replied to  MrFrost @3.1.1    one month ago
assault style weapon

Lmao

I just ordered a new assault style weapon.

256

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
3.1.9  Mark in Wyoming  replied to  XDm9mm @3.1.6    one month ago

I haven't really had to buy ammo in about a decade now , But I am a reloader so I police my brass for reuse , last time I bought bulk was for my 1911 500 rounds for just under 200 bucks ,  I tend to when reloading package it like I got it for use in the field when I was in the military groups of 20  .makes for easier storage and quick access.

Currently reload 12 ga, 06 , 338 win mag , 45 acp 357 38 special , 454 casull  and 5.56 only time I really think I need to buy ready made is when I have to replace casings to save time. ready made is good enough , but each rifle takes a particular recipe if I want them to be tack drivers.

 
 
 
MrFrost
3.2  MrFrost  replied to  WallyW @3    one month ago
The gun grabbers

Names, please. 

 
 
 
It Is ME
3.2.1  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  MrFrost @3.2    one month ago
Names, please.

https://thepoliticalinsider.com/must-see-5-specific-times-democrats-wanted-confiscate-guns/

"As a reminder, here are 5 times that prominent Democrats have advocated taking away your Constitutional rights:"

 
 
 
MrFrost
3.2.2  MrFrost  replied to  It Is ME @3.2.1    one month ago

ALL guns? No. Nice try. 

 
 
 
It Is ME
3.2.3  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  MrFrost @3.2.2    one month ago
ALL guns?

Were is "ALL GUNS" noted ?

 
 
 
XDm9mm
3.2.4  XDm9mm  replied to  MrFrost @3.2.2    one month ago

There's this.  Dated, but since she's still around, very relevant.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
3.2.5  XDm9mm  replied to  It Is ME @3.2.3    one month ago
Were is "ALL GUNS" noted ?

Doesn't matter.  Feinstein wanted that per her own words. 

 
 
 
It Is ME
3.2.6  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  XDm9mm @3.2.4    one month ago

The "Left" always seem to have short memories. On purpose I'd say.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
3.2.7  XDm9mm  replied to  It Is ME @3.2.6    one month ago
The "Left" always seem to have short memories. On purpose I'd say.

They also run away when confronted with facts.

I have one question for the people that believe one new law will make a difference.

Please show me the one CRIMINAL that didn't break that 'one new law' that was to be the panacea to combat crime.

 
 
 
It Is ME
3.2.8  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  XDm9mm @3.2.7    one month ago
Please show me the one CRIMINAL that didn't break that 'one new law' that was to be the panacea to combat crime.

Well....ya gotta give the Criminals one thing to their credit …… They, unlike the "Left", sure do know "New laws" don't do shit to them. They are as Happy as the "Feel Good" do-gooders, but for a different reason. jrSmiley_86_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Don Overton
3.2.9  Don Overton  replied to  MrFrost @3.2    one month ago

They can't produce any factual information because it doesn't exist except in the the la la land of the NRA and other right wing save the guns idiot

 
 
 
Don Overton
3.2.10  Don Overton  replied to  It Is ME @3.2.6    one month ago

At least the Left have memories unlike righties who forget every thing 5 seconds after it happens 

 
 
 
It Is ME
3.2.11  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  Don Overton @3.2.10    one month ago
At least the Left have memories unlike righties who forget every thing 5 seconds after it happens 

Quick, what did your last post cover. jrSmiley_99_smiley_image.jpg

 
 
 
Don Overton
3.2.12  Don Overton  replied to  XDm9mm @3.2.7    one month ago

[Removed

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.2.13  Texan1211  replied to  It Is ME @3.2.11    one month ago
Quick, what did your last post cover.

LMFAO!!!

jrSmiley_10_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
It Is ME
3.2.14  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  Don Overton @3.2.12    one month ago
BTW I probably own more firearms than you do so try shutting the bullshit up

Is that one of those....My shlong is bigger than your schlong type comment ? jrSmiley_97_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
XDm9mm
3.2.15  XDm9mm  replied to  Don Overton @3.2.9    one month ago
They can't produce any factual information because it doesn't exist except in the the la la land of the NRA and other right wing save the guns idiot

Didn't view the old Feinstein video?  Or is that too factual for your liking.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
3.2.16  XDm9mm  replied to  Don Overton @3.2.12    one month ago
Show the facts XD popgun  and we will discuss the with reality

I did, Donny.  Do try to keep up.

Oh, I don't give a shit what you own, or don't.  I know what I do and how to use every one.

 
 
 
squiggy
3.2.17  squiggy  replied to  MrFrost @3.2.2    one month ago

“ALL guns? No. Nice try. “

Whom are you trying to fool? Hiliary Clinton said the Australian model was worth looking at. In any of these discussions, when pressed long enough, the libs acknowledge that only total abolition is the long game.

 
 
 
WallyW
3.2.18  WallyW  replied to  MrFrost @3.2    one month ago

Most left wingers 

 
 
 
WallyW
3.2.19  WallyW  replied to  Texan1211 @3.2.13    one month ago

He sure has a hair trigger..

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.2.20  Texan1211  replied to  It Is ME @3.2.14    one month ago

@3.2.14

Well, at least the comparison wasn't BRAINS!!!

No surprise there!!

 
 
 
Sparty On
3.2.21  Sparty On  replied to  Don Overton @3.2.10    one month ago

I can remember the perfume my first girlfriend had on for our first date nearly 45 years ago but I can’t remember where I left my car keys yesterday.

Does that count?

 
 
 
MUVA
3.2.22  MUVA  replied to  MrFrost @3.2    one month ago

You.

 
 
 
Don Overton
3.3  Don Overton  replied to  WallyW @3    one month ago

[Removed]

 
 
 
XDm9mm
3.3.1  XDm9mm  replied to  Don Overton @3.3    one month ago
blah blah blah, nra

Here's the new and improved version of your post;

blah blah blah, Don Overton

You're welcome.

 
 
 
squiggy
3.3.2  squiggy  replied to  Don Overton @3.3    one month ago

“blah blah blah, nra”

Reciprocity is as common sense as driver’s licenses. When you show ip with that, I’ll take off the Peltor 31s.

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
4  Mark in Wyoming    one month ago

personally I don't think the Clinton AWB did a damn thing really statistically crime rates had been and continued in a downward trend and would have continued even if the ban had not been instituted.

 About the only thing that came about from that legislation that included the omnibus crime bill which added more funding for cops , the brady legislation which helped control how guns were sold and the AWB itself  was the institution of the NICS that we still use today when a firearm is bought through a dealer , that's where those six hundred thousand or so felons and prohibited persons got caught buying guns , question is where is all the prosecutions for those people breaking the law?

I think people really have to look at the AWB and see that it actually didn't "BAN" anything , everything was still readily available on the open market and still legal to have and to sell.

The actual problem when discussing a ban of any sorts lies in the definitions and getting people to agree on those definitions , take magazines , what is a high capacity magazine to one person , is a standard issue or standard mag on the market when a firearm is sold. the devil is in the details actually because if the definition is too loose , it can at some point in the future be applied to something it was never intended to affect

 So my question is exactly what did the Clinton era AWB actually do? to me all it did was raise the cost of acquiring something to be purchased , it didn't affect availability , or the legality of having one that wasn't covered in other laws already on the books.

Another thing I would say is if any bans are to be put in place , they need to affect EVERYONE with no exemptions for ANYONE , Meaning if I go in to buy a GLOCK , and am limited to an 8 or 10 round mag , then that's the limit anyone in government is limited to as well. Think the cops are going to want to go back to carrying 6 shot revolvers? they did for many a year.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
4.1  XDm9mm  replied to  Mark in Wyoming @4    one month ago
So my question is exactly what did the Clinton era AWB actually do?

Damn Mark, you already answered your own question.  Or did I not understand and it was rhetorical? 

personally I don't think the Clinton AWB did a damn thing really statistically crime rates had been and continued in a downward trend and would have continued even if the ban had not been instituted.

Seriously, like you I know the Clinton AWB did absolutely nothing.  Had there been ANY benefit to it, it would have been renewed and not allowed to die on the vine.

I've always said that we should enforce the existing laws on the books before we write new laws that will also be ignored.

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
4.1.1  Mark in Wyoming  replied to  XDm9mm @4.1    one month ago

Of course it was rhetorical , but it is also only how I view the subject for myself and myself alone , everyone is free to come to their own conclusions , or if they wish , to try to change my point of view if they think they can without being a waffle twat.

 
 
 
Don Overton
4.2  Don Overton  replied to  Mark in Wyoming @4    one month ago

You should put your entire comment on post cards and ship them out to all the ignorant gun lovers  Do you realize that the military on use a 30 round mag in an m16 not a 100 round

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
4.2.1  Mark in Wyoming  replied to  Don Overton @4.2    one month ago

Don , want to know how I handle trolls on this site now that have nothing meaningful to say? say hello to ignore.

 
 
 
It Is ME
4.2.2  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  Don Overton @4.2    one month ago
Do you realize that the military on use a 30 round mag in an m16 not a 100 round

So the "Civilian" version Isn't a Military type ?

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
4.2.3  Mark in Wyoming  replied to  It Is ME @4.2.2    one month ago

think he also forgot that the "standard issue" for the m-16 and the AR 15 from the factory use to be 20 round mags, and the military flirted with 40 rounders for a time but reliability was a factor in it being turned down so the current 30 rounders were adopted .

 
 
 
XDm9mm
4.2.4  XDm9mm  replied to  Don Overton @4.2    one month ago
Do you realize that the military on use a 30 round mag in an m16 not a 100 round

Do you have a point?   

Do you know the reason for not using a 100 round magazine?  

 
 
 
TTGA
4.2.5  TTGA  replied to  XDm9mm @4.2.4    one month ago
Do you know the reason for not using a 100 round magazine?

Apparently he doesn't, so let's educate him. 

Don, there are two main reasons why the military doesn't use 100 round magazines for the M-16.  First, the 100 round drum for the 5.56 round is UNRELIABLE.  The last thing a soldier needs during a firefight is to have a magazine that jams when it's half empty.  Second is that, when a soldier comes under fire from ambush, his first natural response it to get on the ground and empty his magazine in the general direction of the incoming fire.  If you do that with a full auto M-16 a couple of times, you have melted the rifle barrel down to slag. 

None of that has anything at all to do with limiting the number of targets that can be engaged.

 
 
 
cjcold
4.2.6  cjcold  replied to  XDm9mm @4.2.4    one month ago

Weight and reliability.

Never had a FTF with a 40 rounder and the weight isn't unbearable for a long hump.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
4.2.7  XDm9mm  replied to  cjcold @4.2.6    one month ago
Weight and reliability. Never had a FTF with a 40 rounder and the weight isn't unbearable for a long hump.

The primary factor was reliability.  Early models of 5.56 drum mags, (50 & 100) were continually causing FTF's (magazine jams) and forcing reloads.  Really bad in a combat situation as TTGA noted.

Going forward, they opted for standard type mags to eliminate that problem and to more easily design carriers to accommodate those mags.   They also found 'maneuverability' with a 20 or 30 round mag was better than with a 40 round. 

 
 
 
†hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh
4.2.8  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh  replied to  XDm9mm @4.2.4    one month ago

You can never have enough magazines or ammo. The commie revolution is coming. 

The soycialists are coming too.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
4.2.9  XDm9mm  replied to  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh @4.2.8    one month ago
You can never have enough magazines or ammo.

Hell "commie revolution", it's the Zombie apocalypse you have to watch for. 

Or the hordes running from the cement jungles if the crazies running on the Democrat side happen to win the election.  Besides the "Green New Deal", they'll be picking up on the latest insanity from the UN;

Eat less meat: UN climate-change report calls for change to human diet

Source:  https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-019-02409-7

So, forget the burger......   just pass the fries!!

 
 
 
cjcold
4.2.10  cjcold  replied to  XDm9mm @4.2.7    one month ago

I've heard good reports about the Magpul D60 drum magazine but have yet to try one.

 
 
 
squiggy
4.2.11  squiggy  replied to  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh @4.2.8    one month ago

They’re coming for the deplorables.

 
 
 
Sparty On
4.2.12  Sparty On  replied to  squiggy @4.2.11    one month ago

Make sure to have your t-shirt on for easy recognition.

 
 
 
†hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh
5  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh    one month ago

My AR-10 has a 20 round mag and my AR-15 has a 30 round mag.

 
 
 
Sparty On
5.1  Sparty On  replied to  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh @5    one month ago

Of course, the multiple of two rule.    Everyone knows that one.  

Sheesh!

Exception, in Corps ours was more like the 1.867 rule.    The Marine Corps corrolary to the multiple of two rule

 
 
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