Why Arabs Hate Palestinians

  
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Why Arabs Hate Palestinians
"The Palestinian cause is no longer an Arab concern. We fund the Palestinians, and they respond by cursing us and behaving badly. The Arabs and Muslims no longer applaud the Palestinians. We should not be ashamed to establish relations with Israel."

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Why Arabs Hate Palestinians



by  Khaled Abu Toameh , Gatestone Institute, September 9, 2019

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Saudi writer Mohammed al-Shaikh has called for banning Palestinians from performing the Islamic  hajj  pilgrimage to Mecca, after a video surfaced showing Palestinians, during the recent  hajj , carrying Palestinian flags and chanting, "With blood, with soul, we redeem you, Al-Aqsa Mosque!" Saudi Arabia has strict rules banning political activities during the  hajj . Pictured:  Hajj pilgrims in and around Mecca's Grand Mosque and on its roof, during night prayers. (Image source: Al Jazeera/Wikimedia Commons)

Is it true? If so, why? Sadly, the Palestinians are known for betraying their Arab brothers, even effectively stabbing them in the back. The Palestinians, for example,   supported   Saddam Hussein's 1990 invasion of Kuwait – a Gulf state that, together with its neighbors, used to give the Palestinians tens of millions of dollars in aid each year.

This disloyalty is precisely how a growing number of Arabs, particularly those living in the Gulf states, have been describing the Palestinians for the past few years.

In recent months, however, Arab criticism of the Palestinians, mostly aired through traditional and social media, has further escalated, and sometimes turned ugly.

Some Arab writers and journalists   expressed   outrage over the Palestinians' opposition to peace plans, particularly the US administration's yet-to-be-announced "Deal of the Century."

They   accused   the Palestinians of losing countless opportunities and said that the "Deal of the Century" could be the Palestinians' "last, best chance to achieve a state."

Khalid Ashaerah, a Saudi,   denounced   the Palestinians as "traitors" and expressed hope that Israel would be "victorious" over the Palestinians.

The Arab attacks on the Palestinians reflect an intense and increasing disillusionment in the Arab world with the Palestinians and anything related to them.

At the core of this deep sense of disillusionment is the Arabs' belief that despite all they did to help their Palestinian brothers for the past seven decades, the Palestinians have proven to be constantly ungrateful toward the Arab and Muslim people and states.

Such a widespread view as that now being expressed in various Arab states accuses the Palestinians of betraying their Arab and Muslim brothers. As an Arab saying goes, it accuses them of spitting in the well they have been drinking from. The image refers to the financial aid that Palestinians have received for decades from many Arab states.

Until a few years ago, it was the Egyptians who were spearheading the anti-Palestinian campaign in the Arab world. Prominent Egyptian media personalities, journalists, writers and politicians seemed to be competing for a blue ribbon on who could attack Palestinians harder.

The Egyptians focused their criticism against the Palestinian terror group Hamas, which controls the Gaza Strip -- a coastal enclave that has a shared border with Egypt. The Egyptian critics, who are mostly affiliated with the regime of Egyptian President Abdel Fattah el-Sisi, see Hamas -- an offshoot of the Muslim Brotherhood organization now outlawed in Egypt -- as a threat to Egypt's national security and stability.

These critics also seem incensed at Palestinian criticism of Sisi for having alleged good relations with Israel and the US administration.

The Palestinians seem to believe that Sisi is conspiring against them, together with Israel and the US administration. They point out, for example, that last May, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu   called   Sisi "my friend." Netanyahu had thanked Sisi after Egypt sent two helicopters to help extinguish wildfires in Israel. "I would like to thank my friend the Egyptian president, Sisi, for sending the two helicopters," Netanyahu announced.

"Instead of defending their cause, the Palestinians are insulting Sisi and the Egyptian people," a prominent Egyptian journalist, Azmi Mujahed,   said .


"I have a message to send to the Palestinian beggars who sold their land and honor: You are cursing Egypt and its army and president. You are a group of despicable folks. Whoever insults our president insults all of us."

The Egyptians' attacks on the Palestinians reached a peak in 2014, when several prominent writers and journalists called on their government to expel Palestinians and launch a military strike against the Gaza Strip. The fierce attacks came amid reports that the Hamas rulers of the Gaza Strip were providing support to ISIS-inspired terrorist groups waging war on Egypt's security forces right in its Sinai Peninsula.

Egyptian writer Lamis Jaber   urged   the Egyptian government to expel all Palestinians and confiscate their property. She also called for arresting anyone who sympathized with the Palestinians. "We give aid to the Gaza Strip, and in return they [Palestinians] kill our children. They are dogs and traitors."

Jaber further pointed out that while Palestinian patients are being   treated   in Egyptian hospitals free of charge, the leaders of Hamas are enjoying themselves in "seven-star hotels" in Turkey and Qatar.

Jaber is just one of several leading Egyptians who have been waging a campaign against the Palestinians in recent years -- a move reflecting Arab disappointment with Palestinians' "ungratefulness" and "arrogance."

The message the Egyptians are sending to the Palestinians is: We are fed up with you and your failure to get your act together and behave like adults. We are also fed up with you because after all these years of supporting you and fighting for your cause, in the end you are spitting in our face and offending our president.

Now it seems that it is the Saudis' turn to "tell it like it is" to the Palestinians. Like their Egyptian colleagues, many Saudi writers, bloggers, activists and journalists have taken to social media to denounce the Palestinians in an unprecedented manner. Some Saudis, for instance, are   describing   the Palestinians as terrorists and accusing them of selling their land to Israelis.

These denunciations are coming not only from Saudis, but from a growing number of Arabs in other Arab and Muslim countries, particularly in the Gulf.

Like the Egyptians, the Saudis seem enraged by the recurring Palestinian attacks on the royal family in Saudi Arabia, especially Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman. In the past two years, Palestinians have burned Saudi flags and photographs of bin Salman during demonstrations in the West Bank and Gaza Strip. Why? The crown prince is seen by Palestinians as being "too close" to Israel and the US administration.

Like the Egyptians, the Saudis feel betrayed by the Palestinians. Saudi Arabia for years has given the Palestinians billions of dollars in aid, but this has not stopped the Palestinians from bad-mouthing Saudi leaders at every turn.

The Saudis are now saying that they, too, are fed up. Their outrage reached its peak last June, when Palestinians   assaulted   a Saudi blogger visiting the Al-Aqsa Mosque compound in the Old City of Jerusalem. The Palestinians spat in the face of the blogger, Mohammed Saud, and   accused   him of promoting "normalization" with Israel by visiting the country.

Since that incident at the holy site, many Saudis and citizens of Gulf states have been waging daily attacks on the Palestinians, mostly on social media.

Saudi blogger Mohammed al-Qahtani   wrote :


"To all those in Israel who are listening to our voice: We call for transferring the custodianship over Al-Aqsa Mosque from Jordan to the State of Israel so that the despicable assault on the Saudi citizen, Mohammed Saud, will not recur."

This is an extraordinary statement from a Saudi writer, and would have been totally unthinkable just a few years ago. A Saudi national is saying that he prefers to see an Islamic holy site under Israeli custodianship (rather than Jordanian custodianship) because only then will Muslims feel safe to visit their mosque.

Other Saudis seem extremely unhappy with the Palestinians' relations with Iran. Hamas and Islamic Jihad, the two terror groups controlling the Gaza Strip, receive financial and military aid from Iran and political backing from Turkey. The Saudis and other Gulf states see Iran, not Israel, as the major threat to their stability. Because of that, these states have come closer to Israel in recent years. Israel and they have a common enemy: Iran.

Remarkably, a Saudi writer, Turki al-Hamad, did what even many Western leaders refuse to do: he dared to condemn Hamas and other Gaza-based groups for firing rockets at Israel. Al-Hamad,   denounced   the Palestinians for allowing themselves to serve as puppets in the hands of Turkey and Iran. Commenting on a recent barrage of rocket attacks on Israel from the Gaza Strip, he said: "Iran and Turkey are facing a crisis [an apparent reference to economic and political crises in Iran and Turkey] and the Palestinians are paying the price." In other words, the Palestinians have chosen to align themselves with two countries, Iran and Turkey, that support the Muslim Brotherhood and other extremist groups such as Hamas, Islamic Jihad and Hezbollah.

Another Saudi writer, Mohammed al-Shaikh,   repeated   the old-new charge in the Arab world that wherever the Palestinians go, they cause trouble.


"Palestinians bring disaster to anyone who hosts them. Jordan hosted them, and there was Black September; Lebanon hosted them, and there was a civil war there; Kuwait hosted them, and they turned into Saddam Hussein's soldiers. Now they are using their podiums to curse us."

In another comment on Twitter, al-Shaikh called for   banning   Palestinians from performing the Islamic   hajj   pilgrimage to Mecca. His comment came after a video surfaced showing Palestinians, during the recent   hajj , carrying Palestinian flags and   chanting , "With blood, with soul, we redeem you, Al-Aqsa Mosque!"

The Saudis have strict rules banning political activities during the   hajj . Al-Shaikh apparently viewed the Palestinians as using the pilgrimage to Mecca to stage a demonstration, stir up trouble during the   hajj   and embarrass the Saudi authorities.

"The dogs of Hamas," al-Shaikh   said   after viewing the video, "should be banned from performing the   hajj   next year because of their obscene behavior."

Fahd al-Shammari, a Saudi journalist, attacked Palestinians by   calling   them "beggars without honor." He went as far as saying that a mosque in Uganda is more blessed than Al-Aqsa Mosque, which is a Jewish holy site."

The Palestinians can only blame themselves for damaging their relations with the Arab states. Biting the hand that feeds you has always been a policy for which the Palestinians have paid a heavy price.

Burning   photos   of Arab leaders and heads of state on the streets of the West Bank and Gaza Strip has proven to be a big mistake. You simply cannot burn pictures of the Saudi crown prince one day and rush to Riyadh to seek money the next. You cannot shout slogans against the Egyptian president one day and go to Cairo to seek political backing the next.

Many people in the Arab countries are now   saying   that it is high time for the Palestinians to start looking after their own interests and thinking of a better future for their children. They no longer see the Palestinian issue as the main problem in the Arab-Israeli conflict. The Arabs seem to be saying to the Palestinians: "We want to march forward; you can continue to march backward for as long as you wish."

What they see is Palestinian stagnation, mainly thanks to the Palestinian Authority and Hamas leaders, who are too busy poisoning their peoples' minds and ripping each other to shreds to have time for anything positive. The Palestinians may just wake up one day to discover that their Arab brothers can truly no longer be duped.

Ahmad al-Jaralah, a   leading   Kuwaiti newspaper editor, was even more blunt, saying:


"The Palestinian cause is no longer an Arab concern. We fund the Palestinians, and they respond by cursing us and behaving badly. The Arabs and Muslims no longer applaud the Palestinians. We should not be ashamed to establish relations with Israel."

Khaled Abu Toameh, an award-winning journalist based in Jerusalem, is a Shillman Journalism Fellow at Gatestone Institute.

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Buzz of the Orient
1  seeder  Buzz of the Orient    one week ago

Reality is beginning to peek out from behind the clouds, although you wouldn't know it by reading the liberal-controlled western mainstream media.

 
 
 
Ronin2
2  Ronin2    one week ago

The other Arab countries aren't doing anything anyways for the Palestinians, (just ask all of the refugees in Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, Egypt, and scattered across the ME),so they might as well drop the facade. At least they now have an excuse- they are lumping all Palestinians in with Hamas- who is backed by Shai Iran. Sunnis hate Shai, and loathe Iran.

Cutting off aide and support to the already weak and corrupt Sunni PA should just about do them in. Iran, Hezbollah, and Hamas will thank them for the help.

Oh and don't pretend that what they are now calling for is Israel to exterminate the Palestinians. 

Khalid Ashaerah, a Saudi, denounced the Palestinians as "traitors" and expressed hope that Israel would be "victorious" over the Palestinians.

I also found this hilarious.

The Egyptians' attacks on the Palestinians reached a peak in 2014, when several prominent writers and journalists called on their government to expel Palestinians and launch a military strike against the Gaza Strip. The fierce attacks came amid reports that the Hamas rulers of the Gaza Strip were providing support to ISIS-inspired terrorist groups waging war on Egypt's security forces right in its Sinai Peninsula.

See the below article. Hamas and ISIS/ISIL are enemies. Wonder who started that rumor in Egypt?/S 

https://www.jta.org/2019/08/30/israel/hamas-and-isis-hate-israel-and-each-other

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
2.1  seeder  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Ronin2 @2    one week ago

Hatred is pretty common, isn't it Ronin2.

"The other Arab countries aren't doing anything anyways for the Palestinians "

I guess you aren't aware of the multi-millions that Qatar has been funding Hamas with.

Qatari millions enter Gaza

Qatar distributes $100 to Gaza families as part of deal after terror groups launch 700 rockets at Israel. 

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/263078

By the way, that's $100 to each family, but the total is in the tens of millions that have already been sent.  My question is whether the whole $100 went to each family or into the pockets of the Hamas officials.

 
 
 
Krishna
2.1.1  Krishna  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @2.1    one week ago
"The other Arab countries aren't doing anything anyways for the Palestinians "
I guess you aren't aware of the multi-millions that Qatar has been funding Hamas with.

You are both right!

Strange as it may seem, to uninformed westerners, for many years (decades actually) the Arabs have not done anything to help them.  In fact, the wealthy oil-rich Gulf states did nothing for years-- they deliberately wanted to keep them living in misery. (Good propaganda against the Jews!)

The contributions to the UN agencies that delivered the hush money to gaza, for example, received lots of money-- from the U.S. and other western countries. 

ILong ago I spent a lot of time researching this. I don't remember all the details, but I do remember that there was a shift-- relatively recently. And now Qatar sends a fair amount ot aid.

 
 
 
Ronin2
2.1.2  Ronin2  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @2.1    one week ago

Yes, I am more than aware of that. Are you aware there is a difference between the PA (that has capitulated in order to stay in power), and Hamas (that is trying to take power completely in the West Bank from the PA)? Also, find one place that I have supported Hamas; or even the PA? Neither are ideal to work with; but those are the groups that everyone is stuck working with.

There is a much larger war coming to the ME. They are choosing sides right now. Qatari is more than a little slow on the uptake. 

https://www.ecfr.eu/mena/battle_lines/qatar_flashpoint

The formation of an anti-Iran alliance comprising Saudi Arabia, Israel, and other states has dramatically changed the Middle East order. The alliance has sought to enlist the help of the United States, convincing President Donald Trump that the campaign against Tehran can only succeed if it marginalises Qatar. Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, Bahrain, and Egypt initially obtained Trump’s permission to do so during his May 2017 visit to Riyadh, before imposing a sea, land, and air embargo on Qatar. One of their key demands has been that Doha end its relationship with Tehran. However, the embargo has been counterproductive, boosting Iranian influence, further polarising Gulf Arab states, and destabilising the region.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jun/06/qatar-saudi-arabia-west-diplomatic-rift-gulf-states

T his week Saudi Arabia, the UAE, Bahrain and Egypt announced that they were again cutting diplomatic ties with Qatar. In a sharp escalation, they have also closed their borders to Qatari aircraft and ships, and the Gulf states have said that Qatari citizens in their countries must leave within two weeks. It is unclear how the standoff will be resolved, but the Saudis and their neighbours are making a clear play for western support, accusing Doha, Qatar’s capital, of backing terror groups including al-Qaida and Islamic State.

https://www.economist.com/special-report/2018/06/21/why-gulf-countries-are-feuding-with-qatar

The majority of Arab Sunni states are forming an alliance, even one that includes Israel, for the coming perceived war against Iran. Hamas, which is growing in power among the Palestinian youth that are disenchanted with the "peace process" with Israel, is backed by Iran. Therefor the majority of Sunni states have no use for the Palestinians any more. They are now a liability in the upcoming fight with Iran. Arab Muslims governments and Muslim fanatics think in absolutes. Victory = death. Got it?

Want to defang Hamas?  Israel needs to make peace with the PA (no matter how weak and corrupt they are). That means concessions Israel will not like; and has shown no signs of making.  Splitting Jerusalem; creating a land corridor between the West Bank and Gaza and helping the PA enforce it; removing all settlements from the West Bank; helping the PA work border deals with Egypt and Jordan- along with Israel relaxing their own; mineral and water rights; and air space. Then it will take a combination of a right of return within the West Bank, and the Arab states, to empty the Palestinian refugee camps.  Before you say anything, it will be bloody. Hamas will try to attack Israel and the PA- but they are already doing that, It will be far less bloody than forcing the rest of the Palestinians out of the West Bank and Gaza- with no where to go. The ones that escape will run right into the arms of Hamas- and could destabilize Jordan, Lebanon, and take over in Syria. Want a 3 sided war for Israel? Of course Israel could enter all 3 countries and simply wipe out Hamas and the Palestinian refugee camps.   That is what it would take to end Hamas as a power.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
2.1.3  seeder  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Ronin2 @2.1.2    one week ago
"That means concessions Israel will not like; and has shown no signs of making.  Splitting Jerusalem; creating a land corridor between the West Bank and Gaza and helping the PA enforce it; removing all settlements from the West Bank; helping the PA work border deals with Egypt and Jordan- along with Israel relaxing their own; mineral and water rights; and air space. Then it will take a combination of a right of return within the West Bank, and the Arab states, to empty the Palestinian refugee camps."

LOL. That's a pipe dream.  No way in a million years.  I believe that the Jordan Option is the only solution to end the conflict, if it will EVER be ended.

As for a Middle East war?  Bring it on.  I'm getting sick and tired of a 70 year conflict.  I'm getting sick and tired of reading and hearing that everything is Israel's fault, of having the world blame Israel for everything.  Get the damn thing over with.

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dave-2693993
2.1.4  dave-2693993  replied to  Ronin2 @2.1.2    one week ago
Of course Israel could enter all 3 countries and simply wipe out Hamas and the Palestinian refugee camps.   That is what it would take to end Hamas as a power.

I think the other Arab Nations are wising up to the PA terrorist nonsense. Those Arab nations can take care of their own while the world watched with a blind eye.

 
 
 
dave-2693993
2.1.5  dave-2693993  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @2.1.3    one week ago

I don't want war, but your graphic made me laugh.

 
 
 
Ronin2
2.1.6  Ronin2  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @2.1.3    one week ago
I believe that the Jordan Option is the only solution to end the conflict, if it will EVER be ended.

Too bad the Jordanians don't agree. They don't want to become a minority within their own country. Nor do they want to deal with Hamas. Or do you think the Jordanian solution would end Hamas, Hezbollah, or any of the other terrorist factions. It also does nothing for the Palestinian refugees in Syria, Egypt, Lebanon, and elsewhere.

As for a Middle East war?  Bring it on.  I'm getting sick and tired of a 70 year conflict.  I'm getting sick and tired of reading and hearing that everything is Israel's fault, of having the world blame Israel for everything.  Get the damn thing over with.

Sorry if your love of war and killing is not being sated. I will never be for a large ME wide conflict that will surely drag the rest of the planet into it. The US already has too many damn troops scattered across the ME; especially in Syria and Iraq. The proxy war in Syria is already more than bloody enough; Iraq is a close second. Imagine that on with the whole ME. Then if Iran obtains nuclear weapons; or Russia, China, and NK decide to back them and nudge them in the "right direction". While I like Nostradamus writings, I have no desire to see them come true.

Israel is doing fine. They have the US, the most powerful nation on earth, backing them financially, militarily, and politically (it doesn't matter which party is in charge). Outside of Iran, and their backed terrorist groups, who in the ME is threatening them?

 
 
 
Ronin2
2.1.7  Ronin2  replied to  dave-2693993 @2.1.4    one week ago
I think the other Arab Nations are wising up to the PA terrorist nonsense. Those Arab nations can take care of their own while the world watched with a blind eye.

Euphemism for mass murder. How about actually fixing the problem of Palestinian refugees in Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, and Egypt- instead of just killing them off? Remove the breeding grounds for Hamas and Hezbollah. But that would take compromise and hard work between the Arab Sunni states and Israel; it would takes years to implement- and would still have it's bloody periods. But better than turning a blind eye and hope Lebanon (take a look at their military- Hamas and Hezbollah will eat them for breakfast); Jordan (might stand more of a chance; but it will still be bloody on both sides); and Syria (please, those "moderate Sunni" factions would rally to Hamas' side if Assad even made the attempt; which he is in no position to do).  Only Egypt could do it without much effort.

Also, please note there is a vast difference between the PA (Palestinian Authority) and Hamas/Hezbollah. The PA is corrupt and weak, but they have capitulated. They need Israel, and every other country that gives them aid, to stay in power in the West bank. Hamas and Hezbollah are backed mostly by Iran; and stay in power by continuing to fight Israel. Hamas is trying to over power the PA in the West Bank.  They are gaining ground.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
2.1.8  seeder  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Ronin2 @2.1.6    one week ago

Oh, I think the Jordanians would agree. It's the King who doesn't and it will be interesting to see how long it takes for him to leave.

Out of curiosity, Ronin2, do you have hairy arms?  Have you ever had a large bandage on a hairy arm?  If so, is your preference to pull it off very slowly, or to just yank it off fast?  Personally, my arms are quite hairy, and I sure as hell prefer to yank a bandage off fast. 

 
 
 
dave-2693993
2.1.9  dave-2693993  replied to  Ronin2 @2.1.7    one week ago
Euphemism for mass murder.

No. That is your interpretation.

I think the other Arab Nations are wising up to the PA terrorist nonsense. Those Arab nations can take care of their own while the world watched with a blind eye.

It is this, the instant anyone but the Arabs are involved, it becomes another Crusade or Holy war, whatever term they want to use. Also, any action of Israel in such an undertaking would be headline "murderous Israeli" and any action by surrounding Arab states would fly under the radar, just as it does today. That coverage pretty much never makes the news in Western countries.

Also, please note there is a vast difference between the PA (Palestinian Authority) and Hamas/Hezbollah.

True. PA is like a poison that requires 2g to kill. Hamas and Hezbollah is like a poison that only requires 1g to kill.

 
 
 
Krishna
2.2  Krishna  replied to  Ronin2 @2    one week ago

The Egyptians' attacks on the Palestinians reached a peak in 2014, when several prominent writers and journalists called on their government to expel Palestinians and launch a military strike against the Gaza Strip. The fierce attacks came amid reports that the Hamas rulers of the Gaza Strip were providing support to ISIS-inspired terrorist groups waging war on Egypt's security forces right in its Sinai Peninsula.

That's not totally accurate-- it went beyond 

fierce attacks came amid reports that the Hamas rulers of the Gaza Strip were providing support to ISIS-inspired terrorist groups

There were attacks from bloodthirsty (a strong word-- but accurate!) Gazans crossing the border into Egypt and murdering both Egyptian soldiers as well as innocent  Egyptian civilians. 

Gaza is a hotbed of extremely vicious and sadistic extremist* Palestinian groups. With the emphasis on sadistic. They influent all sorts of bizarrely cruel tortures on their political enemies-- and whenever israel has been effective at keeping them out and they aren't effective in attacking their rivals within Gaza they cross into Egypt.

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*Hamas is an extremist terror group. They have been attacking Israeli civilians for decades (they mostly avoid attacking soldiers). That being said-- Hamas may be one of the more "moderate" terror groups in Gaza. (Although there are several, Gaza is one of two independence self-governming Arab states formed from part of the British mandate of "Palestine"-- and ruled by Hamas "with an iron fist").

 
 
 
Ronin2
2.2.1  Ronin2  replied to  Krishna @2.2    one week ago
Hamas is an extremist terror group. They have been attacking Israeli civilians for decades (they mostly avoid attacking soldiers). That being said-- Hamas may be one of the more "moderate" terror groups in Gaza. (Although there are several, Gaza is one of two independence self-governming Arab states formed from part of the British mandate of "Palestine"-- and ruled by Hamas "with an iron fist").

I have never argued otherwise. Hamas is a terrorist organization period. They don't care about anyone's life; including those that are forced to live under their rule..Unfortunately, there is only one other choice, and that is the PA to deal with. They are weak and corrupt; but have also capitulated.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
3  seeder  Buzz of the Orient    one week ago

It's now 10 pm here and I'm heading for bed.  I think discretion is the better part of valour so I'll lock this seed for the night.  I'll unlock it about 9 or 10 hours from now.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
4  seeder  Buzz of the Orient    one week ago

This seed is now unlocked.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
5  JohnRussell    one week ago

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Buzz of the Orient
5.1  seeder  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  JohnRussell @5    one week ago

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Krishna
5.2  Krishna  replied to  JohnRussell @5    one week ago

Removed for context 

That's quite an assumption on your part-- how do you know how he'd react?

But then again John-- using that sort of "reasoning" I suppose it would only be fair to say to you:

If someone seeded an article titled "The Ku Klux Klan" Hates Blacks" you would lose your shit, and rightfully so.

Well, perhaps not. Perhaps you do not engage in double standards-- I really don't know!

 
 
 
Krishna
6  Krishna    one week ago

Much of what you read in some of the more "politically correct" western news outlets gives the erroneous impress that Israel completely surrounds Gaza, and imposes an blockade-- letting nothingnthrough.

 But that''s false for at least two reasons:

-Gaza actually borders two countries-- Egypt and Israel. Even if Israel were able to impose a 100% air-tight blockade, it wouldn't necessarily prevent the flow of people and/or supplies in and out of Gaza ...if the Egyptians kept their border open!

-Gaza is not self-sufficient. They rely on imports to survive. And these come in from israel by truck-- via border crossings between Israel and Gaza! (OTOH, most of the time Egypt keeps their Gaza border closed....)

 
 
 
Krishna
7  Krishna    one week ago

Here's a picture of the so-called "Wall" Israel has built on the Gaza border to keep out terrorists:

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MUVA
7.1  MUVA  replied to  Krishna @7    one week ago

They can shoot to kill if you try to scale that wall.

 
 
 
Krishna
7.1.1  Krishna  replied to  MUVA @7.1    one week ago
They can shoot to kill if you try to scale that wall.

Now why on earth would they want to do that? I'm sure that any Palestinian attempting to cross that so-called "WALL" would only becoming to Israel to live in peace!

 
 
 
Ronin2
7.1.2  Ronin2  replied to  Krishna @7.1.1    one week ago

Actually, some Palestinians in Gaza would love to escape Hamas rule; but their options are very limited. It is not like they aren't walled in on all sides; with foreign military that would shoot them in the attempt.

That is the problem, you can't lump all Palestinians in with Hamas. Of course getting rid of Hamas is going to be a very bloody enterprise. It would be better if the breeding grounds for Hamas were fixed (I don't mean killed off either), and the reasons for support Hamas address politically.

 
 
 
Krishna
7.1.3  Krishna  replied to  Ronin2 @7.1.2    one week ago
It is not like they aren't walled in on all sides; with foreign military that would shoot them in the attempt.

For some time they had tunnels they dug-- allowing them to enter Egypt. But after they started using the tunnels to enter Egypt andkill innocent Egyptians, Egypt destroyed the tunnels!

Egypt floods Gaza's tunnels with seawater

Egyptian military vehicles are transferring Mediterranean Sea water to the Rafah border, to fill a newly-built crude canal, flooding and destroying the lifeline tunnels connecting Egypt and blockaded Gaza.

But the story goes deeper: the Egyptian government is trying to economically crush Hamas, an ally of the Muslim brotherhood.

Local police sources in Rafah told MEE on condition of anonymity that Egypt has destroyed 95 percent of supply tunnels connecting Gaza Strip and Egypt.

Egypt is planning that sea water will flood into any remaining undiscovered tunnels and completely destroy them. Most tunnels are usually 20 meters deep, and can stretch for three hundred meters inside Egyptian Rafah.

 
 
 
Krishna
7.2  Krishna  replied to  Krishna @7    one week ago

Here's a photo of the solid steel fence that Egypt built on their border to keep out terrorists from Gaza. (This photo is from 2008 when the Gazans knocked down the Egyptian barrier).

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The Palestinian group Hamas destroyed a portion of the wall dividing Egypt and Gaza, which has been under a blockade.   Credit Kevin Frayer/Associated Press

Palestinians Topple Gaza Wall and Cross to Egypt

JAN. 24, 2008

RAFAH, Egypt — Tens of thousands of  Palestinians  streamed into northern Egypt on Wednesday after  Hamas  militants blew up parts of the fence dividing Egypt from the Gaza Strip, forcing an end to the closing of Gaza that had followed Hamas’s takeover of the territory last summer.

From the breach of the border wall before dawn until well into the evening, Palestinians crossed from Rafah in Gaza to Rafah in Egypt — the city has been divided by the border since 1982, when Egypt accepted the return of Sinai from Israel but declined to take back Gaza as well.

It pays to note that in most of the politically correct western media you don't hear much about violent terror attacks on Egyptians coming from Gaza-- or about Egypt's efforts to keep them out. But you do hear about Israeli efforts.

Why?

 
 
 
Krishna
7.2.1  Krishna  replied to  Krishna @7.2    one week ago

And why did Egypt want to build a solid steel wall on its border with Gaza anyway? (The Egyptians haven't built one on their border with Israel...)

Aren't the people there fellow Muslims-- Arabs?

 
 
 
Ronin2
7.2.2  Ronin2  replied to  Krishna @7.2    one week ago

That is the reason that tunnels for smuggling are such a big deal between Egypt and the Gaza Strip.

The closed, hard to cross, borders between Egypt and Gaza, and Jordan and the West Bank, are not anything new. I don't think I have ever heard anyone claim that the Arab States have done right by the Palestinian people (not Hamas, or some other terrorist cell).

 
 
 
KDMichigan
7.3  KDMichigan  replied to  Krishna @7    one week ago

This is also the so called wall Israel built on the Gaza border to keep out terrorist. Seems they build the wall in certain areas different to deal with a bigger threat.

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Buzz of the Orient
7.3.1  seeder  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  KDMichigan @7.3    one week ago

Necessity.

 
 
 
Krishna
7.3.2  Krishna  replied to  KDMichigan @7.3    one week ago

That is false-- there is no Israeli wall on the Gaza border. 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
8  seeder  Buzz of the Orient    one week ago

I think I'll lock this seed again for the night, and will unlock it in around 9 or 10 hours, after I've had a night's sleep and made and ate my breakfast. 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
9  seeder  Buzz of the Orient    one week ago

I have now unlocked this article for the day, so it is open for comments.

 
 
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