How far will Dems go in reversing marijuana policy? Legalization, clemency — even reparations — are on the table.

  
Via:  krishna  •  2 months ago  •  75 comments

How far will Dems go in reversing marijuana policy? Legalization, clemency — even reparations — are on the table.
Nixon aide John Ehrlichman later admitted that the policy was intended to target two of the White House’s enemies: the antiwar left and African-Americans.

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Marijuana-- as American as Apple pie!

THE PROBLEM

Marijuana is a relatively safe drug used by millions of Americans that over the course of this decade has been made legal for recreational use in 11 states and the District of Columbia. The fact that possession and sale remain federal crimes has created a legal gray area, meaning that banks are wary of working with legitimate businesses.

Other states have taken the interim step of decriminalizing the drug, removing jail time for possession, and two-thirds of states allow it for medical purposes.

In 2018, Attorney General Jeff Sessions announced plans to step up federal enforcement of marijuana laws, including in states where it was legal, but backed down after Sen. Cory Gardner, R-Colo., threatened to hold up all Department of Justice nominations.

THE HISTORY

Congress passed the Marihuana Tax Act of 1937, which put a tax on cannabis but kept it legal. In 1970,

Richard Nixon passed the Controlled Substances Act and classified marijuana as a Schedule I drug, along with LSD and heroin. This classification meant that marijuana was judged to have no medical value and considered more dangerous than cocaine and methamphetamine, with “a high potential for abuse.”

In January 1971, Nixon launched a war on drugs, which resulted in a tenfold increase in the American prison population over the ensuing decades. Nixon aide John Ehrlichman later admitted that the policy was intended to target two of the White House’s enemies: the antiwar left and African-Americans.

“You want to know what this was really all about?” said Ehrlichman in a 1994 interview that was published 22 years later. “The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I’m saying? We knew we couldn’t make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities.

We could arrest their leaders, raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did.”

THE POLITICS

Pushing for the legalization of marijuana seems like a sensible platform, based on polling that shows a steady rise in acceptance. A CBS News poll conducted in April found 65 percent support for legal marijuana use, up from 59 percent in 2018 and 45 percent in 2013. Those numbers match up with 2018 surveys from Gallup, which found 66 percent support, and Pew Research, which clocked support at 62 percent. A statewide ballot initiative to legalize marijuana in Michigan, a state that Trump won by 10,704 votes in 2016, passed with 56 percent support in 2018.


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Krishna
1  seeder  Krishna    2 months ago

Richard Nixon passed the Controlled Substances Act and classified marijuana as a Schedule I drug, along with LSD and heroin. This classification meant that marijuana was judged to have no medical value and considered more dangerous than cocaine and methamphetamine, with “a high potential for abuse.

“You want to know what this was really all about?” said Ehrlichman in a 1994 interview that was published 22 years later.. . .

[...]

In 2018, Attorney General Jeff Sessions announced plans to step up federal enforcement of marijuana laws, including in states where it was legal, but backed down after Sen. Cory Gardner, R-Colo., threatened to hold up all Department of Justice nominations.

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.1  Tessylo  replied to  Krishna @1    2 months ago

Mosby here in Baltimore tried to expunge/whatever you call it all the sentences for non violent marijuana offenders/users but Hogan said no. 

That pisses me off.   

 
 
 
Krishna
1.1.1  seeder  Krishna  replied to  Tessylo @1.1    2 months ago

The private prison system is Big Business-- very lucrative for those who invest in it . . . 

 
 
 
Snuffy
1.1.2  Snuffy  replied to  Krishna @1.1.1    2 months ago

And Big Pharma also.  Both industries work to keep marijuana a Schedule 1 drug in order to keep their profits up. Like so many other issues tied to Washington, follow the money.

 
 
 
Kathleen
1.2  Kathleen  replied to  Krishna @1    2 months ago

You have to admit, it alters your senses.  It’s dangerous to drive just like alcohol and smoking it is extremely bad for your lungs.  It is not good for your brain cells. I am aware many other things may not be either. If used  medical purposes, I can understand.  I don’t like it around children either. Some of these parents smoke it and could careless.  Also, if you are going to use pot, do not drive, have some consideration.

Not meaning this to you personally....

 
 
 
Ozzwald
1.2.1  Ozzwald  replied to  Kathleen @1.2    2 months ago
You have to admit, it alters your senses.

Like alcohol.  Is alcohol illegal?

It’s dangerous to drive just like alcohol

See above...

and smoking it is extremely bad for your lungs.

Not that bad.  Putting anything foreign in your lungs is a bad thing to do, however it is much, Much, MUCH less deadly than legal tobacco.

It is not good for your brain cells.

There is no study showing it is bad for your brain cells with 2 exceptions:

  1. Pregnant women smoking marijuana can effect the brain cells of their unborn children, similar to the effects of alcohol and tobacco.
  2. Adolescents smoking marijuana can effect their own brain cells, however adolescents smoking marijuana is still illegal in every state of the nation.
I don’t like it around children either.

And nobody should smoke marijuana around children, or drink alcohol to excess around children, and especially smoke tobacco around children.  With tobacco there is a definite issue with 2nd hand smoke, marijuana does not have that problem.

Some of these parents smoke it and could careless.

You are correct, but once again, 2nd hand tobacco smoke is still carcinogenic, not marijuana smoke.

Also, if you are going to use pot, do not drive, have some consideration.

And do not drink and drive since alcohol is more available and socially acceptable.

Not meaning this to you personally....

Of course not, and not taken as such since I have never taken marijuana myself, or my wife, or my daughters.  I just have issues with false info that is floating around and considered as fact.

 
 
 
Kathleen
1.2.2  Kathleen  replied to  Ozzwald @1.2.1    2 months ago

Give me a break, it’s NOT good for you.

Helping out in school, we always told the kids “ stay away from drugs” that was one of them.  

I do not know why alcohol is legal and pot is not. I did say alcohol is not good either. 

No one should not use pot and drive, not just alcohol.

In high school I remember at parties smelling the disgusting stuff, it stinks and when someone talks to you with it on their breath, it’s rank.

I know tobacco is bad too, but I will not use that as a example to say it’s worse then pot.  They are both bad.

 
 
 
Krishna
1.2.3  seeder  Krishna  replied to  Kathleen @1.2    2 months ago

You have to admit, it alters your senses.  It’s dangerous to drive just like alcohol

I have known users of Marijuana over the years. They generally argue that unlike Alcohol, driving under the influence of Pot is OK-- totally safe. At this point I don't know if that's true or not, but I'd tend to agree with you: It is a drug, one  that alters perception. 

I think we will finally have a definitive answer to that question soon as several of the states that legalized it early on will be getting enough data from auto accidents to see if there's a pattern (an increased danger of vehicle accidents by stoned drivers-- or not)

and smoking it is extremely bad for your lungs.  

Again, the people I know who use it mainly say that, unlike Tobacco, it does not harm lungs.But it seems to me that inhaling (& holding in) very hot chemical smoke of any kind probably damages sensitive lung tissue.

(I do know a user who tries to overcome that consideration by only getting high by consuming Hash Brownies which she bakes herself. But that has other drawbacks).

It is not good for your brain cells.

I have read that that is true-- from several good sources

BTW since most of the articles people seed on controversial topics are seeded in order to argue for a particular POV, it would be logical to assume I seeded this in order to promote the case for legalization. But actually I didn't do that-- mainly I was interested in generating an interesting discussion to see how people feel about it, and why.

 
 
 
Krishna
1.2.4  seeder  Krishna  replied to  Krishna @1.2.3    2 months ago

I should also mention this-- I have experimented with several "recreational drugs" when I was in my 20s and early 30s:  I used each of them only a few times, except I did smoke Marijuana occasionally off and on during my college years (undergrad only).

The only drugs that were available that I refused to do were Acid (LSD) and "Angel Dust".

I have not used any drugs for a while (probably 30 years or so) except about 3 years ago someone offered me a Hash Brownie which I ate (mostly out of curiosity). But I had no desire to do it again...

Currently I am firmly against using any recreational drugs myself...because I believe it would run counter to my personal goals.

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
1.2.5  Freedom Warrior  replied to  Kathleen @1.2    2 months ago

 How about we do this, if I get stoned and I can drive better than you do without it, then you need to stop driving.

 
 
 
Kathleen
1.2.6  Kathleen  replied to  Krishna @1.2.3    2 months ago

Are you sure?  I felt I might have been off topic. 

Sorry, I just can’t see it.  I have known people that tried it or smoked it when they were  young. They said it burned more then tobacco and they said it did make them too relaxed when driving.  Any kind of smoking is bad.  Nothing will convince me that it is safe.  If you all like it it is your business, but I would never do it. 

 
 
 
Kathleen
1.2.7  Kathleen  replied to  Freedom Warrior @1.2.5    2 months ago

So you would drive while under the influence?  Not good. 

 
 
 
devangelical
1.2.8  devangelical  replied to  Kathleen @1.2.7    2 months ago

I did a lot of driving under the influence but the car keys were on the nightstand. get off the high horse  less addictive than alcohol or tobacco and less potential for psychological damage. very popular for decades among the creative people in colleges. bwah ha ha

 
 
 
Krishna
1.2.9  seeder  Krishna  replied to  Kathleen @1.2.2    2 months ago
I know tobacco is bad too, but I will not use that as a example to say it’s worse then pot.  They are both bad.

I have always found it strange that when people want to defend something that has or can have negative characteristics (a recreational drug, guns, unhealthy foods, risky and potentially dangerous behaviours-- heck even using lots of sugar in your coffee and eating sugar all day!!) in order for them to justify negative behaviour they often use the same argument: 

Well, its not as bad as ________ (fill in the blank).

Smoking tobacco really isn't that bad-- after all, its not nearly as bad as smoking Crack  Cocaine! 

I can drive safely after drinking  a beer or two-- after all, its not nearly as bad as hard liquor. 

Sure I might get the flu if I do that-- but cancer is much worse.

Etc.

Its as if while something you're doing is bad, or dangerous-- its not really all that bad if you can find something worse.

So-- its justified!

 
 
 
Krishna
1.2.10  seeder  Krishna  replied to  devangelical @1.2.8    2 months ago
I did a lot of driving under the influence but the car keys were on the nightstand. get off the high horse  less addictive than alcohol or tobacco and less potential for psychological damage. very popular for decades among the creative people in colleges. bwah ha ha

I had friends in college who dropped Acid (LSD). They explained how it was safer than even Tobacco, Not as addicting. What a wonderful-- and very safe!!! drug it was compared to so many other things!!!

(Actually it might not be physically addictive atall-- I don't know, never used it myself). And on and on.

Oh-- and it also gave them great insights!

One day my friend Marshall dropped Acid and realized our everyday world was an illusion. And that we were really potentially powerful-- vet "the system" had brainwashed us "to keep us down".

So he'd show them! he lept out of a third story window (IIRC it was 3rd-- this was a long time ago)-- flapped his arms to fly away. But somehow his wing/arms did let him fly-- he fell to the concrete and was killed. 

Needless to say a lot of us were quite upset for quite a while. 

 
 
 
Krishna
1.2.11  seeder  Krishna  replied to  Ozzwald @1.2.1    2 months ago
but once again, 2nd hand tobacco smoke is still carcinogenic, not marijuana smoke.

Link?

 
 
 
Krishna
1.2.12  seeder  Krishna  replied to  devangelical @1.2.8    2 months ago

very popular for decades among the creative people in colleges.

So was tobacco!

 
 
 
Kathleen
1.2.13  Kathleen  replied to  devangelical @1.2.8    2 months ago

I did not have to worry about that, that’s for sure...

Also, no high horse just common sense.

 
 
 
Kathleen
1.2.14  Kathleen  replied to  Krishna @1.2.9    2 months ago

Exactly, using other bad things to justify it.

I don’t want to sound like a mother hen, but seeing what it can do to people is a bit disturbing.  I just think too many are mis informed or just ignoring it.

 
 
 
Kathleen
1.2.15  Kathleen  replied to  Kathleen @1.2.7    2 months ago

I want to add when you drive, you need complete control.  It’s not fair to other drivers if you decide you don’t give a shit and get behind that wheel high.

 
 
 
pat wilson
1.2.16  pat wilson  replied to  Krishna @1.2.10    2 months ago

I experimented with various drugs when I was young (eons ago). LSD was one I didn't like at all and only did it once. Sitting in someone's apartment and watching the walls and furniture slowly melt was not my idea of fun.

 
 
 
Kathleen
1.2.17  Kathleen  replied to  pat wilson @1.2.16    2 months ago

I remember a girl in school telling me she was on acid and talking on the phone. The person on the other end was laughing. She held out the phone and thought the phone was laughing at her.  I never forgot that.

 
 
 
pat wilson
1.2.18  pat wilson  replied to  Kathleen @1.2.17    2 months ago

That made me laugh out loud !

 
 
 
Raven Wing
1.2.19  Raven Wing  replied to  pat wilson @1.2.16    2 months ago

I never did any drugs or Pot. MJ smelled like vomit to me when in use and I could not even be in the same room with it. jrSmiley_54_smiley_image.gif

I saw what the different drugs did to some of my Friends and I really didn't want to go there. Seeing them like they turned into when taking them made me cry.

Plus the fact, my Father was a police officer and had I ever been caught with any kind of that stuff and my Father found out it would have been way too wet to plow for a very long time. jrSmiley_55_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
1.2.20  Freedom Warrior  replied to  Kathleen @1.2.7    2 months ago

 Better than you 

 
 
 
pat wilson
1.2.21  pat wilson  replied to  Raven Wing @1.2.19    2 months ago

I can see why you didn't. 

I think I was pretty careless when I look back but I was lucky and survived my youth.

 
 
 
devangelical
1.2.22  devangelical  replied to  Kathleen @1.2.13    2 months ago
I did not have to worry about that, that’s for sure...

no doubt about that. 

 
 
 
Raven Wing
1.2.23  Raven Wing  replied to  pat wilson @1.2.21    2 months ago
I think I was pretty careless when I look back

Yeah....I look back at some of the really stupid things my Friends and I did in my teens and wonder how I managed to live long enough to outgrow that phase. jrSmiley_78_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
devangelical
1.2.24  devangelical  replied to  Raven Wing @1.2.19    2 months ago

a DEA agent indirectly supplied my high school and kept everybody higher than a moon rock

 
 
 
devangelical
1.2.25  devangelical  replied to  Krishna @1.2.12    2 months ago
So was tobacco!

yeah, like 70 years ago.

 
 
 
Kathleen
1.2.26  Kathleen  replied to  Raven Wing @1.2.23    2 months ago

I know what you mean.  I can remember getting into a car with a bunch of people in high school and the guy had one hand over one of his eyes.  He was seeing double.

 
 
 
devangelical
1.3  devangelical  replied to  Krishna @1    2 months ago
Sessions announced plans to step up federal enforcement of marijuana laws, including in states where it was legal, but backed down after Sen. Cory Gardner, R-Colo., threatened to hold up all Department of Justice nominations.

The Colorado legislature separated hemp from medicinal and recreational cannabis as a schedule 1 drug in this state shortly after it was legalized. It allowed farmers to grow it in counties that had opted out of recreational retail outlets and gave them a short nationwide monopoly on hemp production. hemp production in Colorado was about a quarter million acres this year. koch-sucker cory yielded to his now dwindling base in support of hemp production because his daddy owns a tractor dealership in eastern Colorado. his stand in the senate was done prior to trump signing the farm bill legalizing hemp production nationwide. this new industry is a cash cow for the local knuckle dragging dirt scratchers that used to be too fucking stupid to tell the difference between recreational weed and industrial hemp.

Colorado now has the largest hemp processing facility in the US in southeast part of the state and another is being built in the northeast part, both privately owned. the two facilities will have the combined capacity to process more than all the hemp produced in north america. state tax revenue on legal weed crossed the $1 billion mark last year with the majority of those funds going to our public schools, law enforcement, and drug education by mandate of the 64th amendment to the Colorado state constitution. hemp processing and the pharma, paper, fiber, fabric, and animal food industries it spawns will dwarf that figure yearly in the near future.

 
 
 
Krishna
1.3.1  seeder  Krishna  replied to  devangelical @1.3    2 months ago
state tax revenue on legal weed crossed the $1 billion mark last year with the majority of those funds going to our public schools, law enforcement, and drug education by mandate of the 64th amendment to the Colorado state constitution. hemp processing and the pharma, paper, fiber, fabric, and animal food industries it spawns will dwarf that figure yearly in the near future.

I have always thought that legalizing the growing of Hemp would be a win-win for all concerned. Taise employment, increase income for farmers, provide tax revenue for the state. Apparently its a relatively hardy plant, easy to grow. an excellent crop@

 
 
 
Krishna
1.3.2  seeder  Krishna  replied to  Krishna @1.3.1    2 months ago

And its patriotic! (After all, George Washington grew it):

Throughout his lifetime, George Washington cultivated hemp at Mount Vernon for industrial uses. The fibers from hemp held excellent properties for making rope and sail canvas. In addition, hemp fibers could be spun into thread for clothing or, as indicated in Mount Vernon records, used in repairing the large seine nets Washington used in his fishing operation along the Potomac.

At one point in the 1760’s Washington considered whether hemp would be a more lucrative cash crop than tobacco but determined wheat was a better alternative.

 
 
 
devangelical
1.3.3  devangelical  replied to  Krishna @1.3.1    2 months ago

hemp grows in most any soil without irrigation, fertilizer, or pesticides. plant it, forget it, harvest it, without soil depletion and the need of crop rotation.1acre of hemp will produce more paper than 4 acres of aged trees. that one acre of hemp can grow in the same spot every year and makes better paper.

 
 
 
devangelical
1.3.4  devangelical  replied to  Krishna @1.3.2    2 months ago
canvas

an english bastardization of the word cannabis

 
 
 
Krishna
2  seeder  Krishna    2 months ago

  Gardner said in April that he had Trump’s support — although not that of Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell — for his bill with Warren that would allow states to decide their own marijuana policies without federal interference

Trump has said he'd support progressive legislation in the past-- only to reverse his position when confronted by politicians of the alt-Right. 

And I believe most people are familiar with Moscow Mitch's mode of obstructionism (not even allowing proposed bills to come to a vote).

 
 
 
Ender
2.1  Ender  replied to  Krishna @2    2 months ago

Ah the senate as of now. Where bills go to be shelved indefinitely.

 
 
 
Ronin2
2.1.1  Ronin2  replied to  Ender @2.1    2 months ago

Which is no different than the Senate under Democratic rule under Harry "The Crypt Keeper" Reid with Republican bills from the House.

Please stop acting like this is anything new.

 
 
 
jungkonservativ111
2.1.2  jungkonservativ111  replied to  Ender @2.1    2 months ago

All the house passes is garbage while real legislation like USMCA is waiting on Pelosi

 
 
 
Ender
2.1.3  Ender  replied to  Ronin2 @2.1.1    2 months ago

Not anything new. It started in 2015.

 
 
 
Ender
2.1.4  Ender  replied to  jungkonservativ111 @2.1.2    2 months ago
Republican leaders have slammed Democrats for not getting enough done in Congress even though more than 100 bills passed this year by the House of Representatives currently sit in the GOP-controlled Senate awaiting action.

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Even Republican lawmakers have expressed frustration at the Senate's lack of action in Congress. Senator John Kennedy told lawmakers on the Senate floor on Tuesday that they've done "nothing" but confirm the president's judicial nominations.

"We need to do more, by we I mean the United States Congress," he said. "Other than the nominations, which are important, we have done nothing. Zero. Zilch. Nada.

" https://www.newsweek.com/republicans-democrats-house-senate-100-bills-1433843
 
 
 
Split Personality
3  Split Personality    2 months ago

Reparations?

smh.

 
 
 
Krishna
3.1  seeder  Krishna  replied to  Split Personality @3    2 months ago

A few of the Democratic candidates seem to be in a contest to see who can espouse the furthest left positions-- hoping that will win them the nomination.

While this strategy might work within some Democratic primaries, it would probably assure an election victory for Trump . . . 

 
 
 
Ozzwald
3.1.1  Ozzwald  replied to  Krishna @3.1    2 months ago
A few of the Democratic candidates seem to be in a contest to see who can espouse the furthest left positions

Which far left positions are you looking at?

Medicare for all?  Has almost universal support with a majority of both Democrat and Republican voters.

Wealth tax?  Again, support from voters of both sides.  Our tax laws have been geared to give the rich more than their fair share for decades, about time they start pitching in.

Reparations?  First I've heard of that one, who said specifically reparations?

There are a few that have their own individual beliefs, but they are very few and not viable candidates, they just want their own 15 minutes.  Let's not forget that the right also has their own version of these crackpots as well.

 
 
 
Krishna
3.1.2  seeder  Krishna  replied to  Ozzwald @3.1.1    2 months ago
Medicare for all? 

Well, there's this:

For many years, Kaiser Family Foundation has been tracking public opinion on the idea of a national health plan (including language referring to Medicare-for-all since 2017). 

There has also been relatively stable support for the federal government doing more to help provide health insurance for more Americans since before the passing of the 2010 Affordable Care (Figure 2).

Recently, we have found broad support for proposals that expand the role of public programs like Medicare and Medicaid as well as a government-administered public option (Figure 3).

Overall, majorities of Democrats and independents favor a national Medicare-for-all plan while most Republicans oppose (Figure 4_

(Read it all)

 
 
 
Krishna
3.1.3  seeder  Krishna  replied to  Ozzwald @3.1.1    2 months ago

Reparations?  First I've heard of that one, who said specifically reparations?

There are a few that have their own individual beliefs, but they are very few and not viable candidates, they just want their own 15 minutes.  Let's not forget that the right also has their own version of these crackpots as well.

I don't imagine any Republicans support them. I was not familiar with all the Democratic candidates positions on that so I googed it: If you are interested in the positions of each candidate, they are listed in this article:

Reparations: Where the 2020 Democratic candidates stand

I took a quick look and found these:

Sen. Kamala Harris:   Harris said in an interview on "The Breakfast Club" in February that she supports government reparations for black Americans. 

Sen. Bernie Sanders : Sanders told Rev. Al Sharpton that, if elected, he would support  Democratic Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee's bill , setting up a commission to study reparations. "If the House and Senate pass that bill of course I would sign it ..

Sen. Elizabeth Warren:   She  tweeted in support  of Jackson Lee's bill last month.

Marianne Williamson:   The best-selling author is the only candidate, despite her long-shot bid, to present a plan with specifics. She proposed $100 billion in reparations or $10 billion a year to be distributed over 10 years for economic and educational projects ,  Williamson told CNN in January.

Most of the others tried to avoid alienating either side in the debate mainly saying that they think we shoukld study the matter or that we should take action to appoint people to study it.

But if you are really interested in knowing about all of them its in the linkedarticle so you can check it out yourself. (Or perhaps you would like to seed an article about reparations? Might be an interesting discussion

.(I myself am more interested in discussing the actual topic of this seed, which is about Marijuana policy).

 
 
 
Krishna
3.1.4  seeder  Krishna  replied to  Ozzwald @3.1.1    2 months ago
Reparations?  First I've heard of that one, who said specifically reparations?

This is from the article:

Another part of O’Rourke’s plan is what his campaign is calling “Drug War Justice Grants,” funded by federal taxation on marijuana with the proceeds going to those “formerly incarcerated for nonviolent marijuana offenses in state and federal prison for a period based on time served.”

So he's for reparations-- but just wants to change the name of the money being paid-- so its no longer "Reparations" but rather "Grants".

 
 
 
It Is ME
4  It Is ME    2 months ago

Those who bring up "reparations", should have to pay for it out of their own and their own voters pocket. Leave the rest of us out of your "Brainy" idea !

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
4.1  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  It Is ME @4    2 months ago

Is that all reparations and not just the subject of this seed?

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
4.1.1  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @4.1    2 months ago

Yes

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r.t..b...
4.1.2  r.t..b...  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @4.1    2 months ago
the subject of this seed?

...don't forget the stems. Desperate times call for desperate measures. 

 
 
 
It Is ME
4.1.3  It Is ME  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @4.1    2 months ago
Is that all reparations and not just the subject of this seed?

I go for the ALL thing. jrSmiley_26_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
4.1.4  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  r.t..b... @4.1.2    2 months ago

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Just Jim NC TttH
4.1.5  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  r.t..b... @4.1.2    2 months ago

"No stems no seeds that you don't neeeeed. Acapulco gold is bad...assed...weed"

Thank you Cheech and Chong.

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r.t..b...
4.1.6  r.t..b...  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @4.1.5    2 months ago
Thank you Cheech and Chong.

'Dave's not here.'    

 
 
 
Krishna
4.1.7  seeder  Krishna  replied to  r.t..b... @4.1.2    2 months ago
.don't forget the stems

I think the disagreement here (which I hadn't intended with this seed) stems from a misunderstanding...tI guess I had planted the wrong idea in some peoples minds!

 
 
 
jungkonservativ111
4.2  jungkonservativ111  replied to  It Is ME @4    2 months ago

They would never give reparations. The left has a tendency of telling the black community what they want to hear until after election time, when they get sent back to the back of the bus, if you will.

 
 
 
JBB
4.2.1  JBB  replied to  jungkonservativ111 @4.2    2 months ago

Reparations in this case are not related to race at all. They are being considered only as a way of helping those people, regardless of their race, who lost many years of their lives due to being incarcerated in marijuana charges to get their long delayed lives back on track. The proposal today is only that a part of the taxes collected on legal marijuana sales to go towards helping those who unfairly suffered over long marijuana sentences to be made whole again...

 
 
 
Ender
5  Ender    2 months ago

Just declassify it and tax it. Not very hard to do.

The only people that would care would be the holier than though, clutching their pearls crowd, perpetually butthurt crowd.

 
 
 
jungkonservativ111
5.1  jungkonservativ111  replied to  Ender @5    2 months ago

I for once agree with you. It's a nice boost for local economies. Only thing I don't like is once it goes federal, in come the monopolies and shut down the local companies. There is money to be made up until then, if they want to be too holy to get in on the action, that's on them.

 
 
 
Ender
5.1.1  Ender  replied to  jungkonservativ111 @5.1    2 months ago

Yeah but that happens with everything. In comes the walmart weed dispensary and there goes the mom and pop operations.

 
 
 
Krishna
5.1.2  seeder  Krishna  replied to  Ender @5.1.1    2 months ago
Yeah but that happens with everything. In comes the walmart weed dispensary and there goes the mom and pop operations.

Soon it will be available on Amazon as well :-(

 
 
 
Krishna
5.1.3  seeder  Krishna  replied to  Krishna @5.1.2    2 months ago

Soon it will be available on Amazon as well   jrSmiley_6_smiley_image.png

Ooops-- I spoke too soon!

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Ender
5.1.4  Ender  replied to  Krishna @5.1.3    2 months ago

Just let me grow my own plant or two and I would be happy.

 
 
 
JBB
5.1.5  JBB  replied to  Krishna @5.1.2    2 months ago

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Tacos!
6  Tacos!    2 months ago

Where is the part about reparations and why does the seed link to a muppet video?

 
 
 
Split Personality
6.1  Split Personality  replied to  Tacos! @6    2 months ago

Probably a cut and paste memory issue.  Fixed now.

 
 
 
Krishna
6.2  seeder  Krishna  replied to  Tacos! @6    2 months ago
Where is the part about reparations and why does the seed link to a muppet video?

Someone else asked that question so I checked the article. Sen. Booker has said what seems to be giving reparations-- but he changed the wording to "Grants" (Reparations sounds a bit too emotionally loaded, but calling them "Grants" might pass muster...?)

Muppet video-- re: marijuana? Just checked-- yup, there is one.

Here, for your viewing pleasure:

Muppets_-_Devil_Went_Down_to_Jamaica.mp4

 
 
 
Tacos!
7  Tacos!    2 months ago

It's kind of amazing that marijuana remains so verboten given the strong support for legalizing it.  Congress is way behind the tide on this issue.

I think the problem is campaigning on it. Any candidate who comes out in favor of legalization, will surely have support. However, just as surely, their opponent will start characterizing them as an unfocused, immature pothead. To make matters worse, some of those candidates behave in a way that actually justifies the smear. See: Gary Johnson.

 
 
 
Ender
7.1  Ender  replied to  Tacos! @7    2 months ago

Imo it is like prohibition, except going on a lot longer.

As someone said earlier, it is more lucrative to certain people having a revolving door in the court and prison systems.

What I always thought was ironic, my state is very conservative on issues like this yet one of our colleges has one of the largest federally sanctioned weed farms in the US.

 
 
 
Krishna
7.1.1  seeder  Krishna  replied to  Ender @7.1    2 months ago

Money talks...

BTW I researched this a while back. As you might imagine, there is a lot of money supporting legalization as well as a lot opposing it.

But guess who are the biggest contributers to the campaign against legalizing it?

Yup-- the Mexican Drug Cartels!

(Think about that a minute-- why are they so "anti-drug"? LOL)

 
 
 
Krishna
7.2  seeder  Krishna  replied to  Tacos! @7    2 months ago
It's kind of amazing that marijuana remains so verboten given the strong support for legalizing it.  Congress is way behind the tide on this issue.

Well, you could say the same thing about universal background checks being required to purchase a gun.

 
 
 
Krishna
7.3  seeder  Krishna  replied to  Tacos! @7    2 months ago

It's kind of amazing that marijuana remains so verboten given the strong support for legalizing it.  Congress is way behind the tide on this issue.

I think the problem is campaigning on it. Any candidate who comes out in favor of legalization, will surely have support. However, just as surely, their opponent will start characterizing them as an unfocused, immature pothead.

People are different. I think being pro-pot will help in some districts, hurt in others,

(And besides we regularly elect unfocused. immature fools to Congress-- probably many of them don't smoke grass, they're just born naturally stupid!)

See: Gary "What is Aleppo" Johnson? I'd rather not!

 
 
 
Krishna
7.4  seeder  Krishna  replied to  Tacos! @7    2 months ago
To make matters worse, some of those candidates behave in a way that actually justifies the smear

As Mark Twain oncesaid:

Suppose you were a member of Congress. And suppose you were an idiot.

But I repeat myself. . . 

 
 
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