The real impeachment bombshell? How to pronounce ‘Kyiv.’

  
Via:  it-is-me  •  2 weeks ago  •  17 comments

By:   Nina Jankowicz - Washington Post

The real impeachment bombshell? How to pronounce ‘Kyiv.’
“Wait so Kiev is pronounced KEEVE (rhymes with Steve)?!?,”

Someone needs to set up a new Committee to investigate why those that can't say the Capital Of Ukraine correctly. keep doing it !

This is "SERIOUS" ! jrSmiley_19_smiley_image.gif


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As the first public impeachment hearings transfixed the country last week with revelations on a recalled ambassador and quid pro quos, America’s collective mind was blown by another bombshell.

“Wait so Kiev is pronounced KEEVE (rhymes with Steve)?!?,” star political forecaster Nate Silver wondered as many others online marveled that they had been pronouncing the Ukrainian capital wrong their whole lives. I made a 30-second video explaining the lesson in post-Soviet politics: Kiev is a transliteration from Russian, Kyiv is the preferred Ukrainian transliteration, and after simplifying Ukrainian’s guttural vowels for American speakers, the proper pronunciation is “Keeve.” It’s now my most popular tweet ever; apparently, this is the content Impeachment Twitter craves. 

Beneath this quirky language lesson, however, lies a battle over the pages of history that Ukrainians in the era after their Maidan revolution — which began six years ago Thursday — have been struggling to rewrite. 

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Though Ukrainians may not expect Americans to master the guttural first syllable, they are rightfully offended when they see a spelling of their capital that has been defunct for nearly 25 years bandied about in print and on the international stage. And as inaccuracies abound, their country is once again thrust into the limelight, perceived as a football, or worse — a casualty in a battle between great powers. But Ukrainians have agency. The least we can do is refer to their capital by its official name.

Since the quid pro quo drama began, at least, both The Post and the New York Times finally announced they would use the Ukrainian spelling. For Kyiv, perhaps there is a silver lining, however thin, in the impeachment cloud. 

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It Is ME
1  seeder  It Is ME    2 weeks ago

I can't believe the "intelligence" community has given this a "Pass" ! jrSmiley_42_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
1.1  Vic Eldred  replied to  It Is ME @1    2 weeks ago

I was struck by it myself - the State Department lefties now have changed the pronunciation. They strive to sound intelligent, though they are not.

 
 
 
It Is ME
1.1.1  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1    2 weeks ago
They strive to sound intelligent

Ukraine Officials must have put "Pressure" on the Post and the New York Times (Quid-Pro-Quo).

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
1.1.2  Vic Eldred  replied to  It Is ME @1.1.1    2 weeks ago

The pronunciation of Kiev has always been the same, from grammar school history lessons to WWII documentaries. Leave it to the overpaid State Department hacks to make the cute little change.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2  JohnRussell    2 weeks ago

When I first heard this, I assumed, I think rightly, that this name change was similar to what China did when they changed Peking to Beijing.  If Ukrainians want it to be  so then it is so.

What is really interesting on this seed is the laughably lame attempt to "blame"  "left" diplomats for the change. From the seeded article

Since 2014, when Russia illegally annexed Ukraine’s Crimean Peninsula and fomented a war in the country’s eastern Donbas region, authorities in Kyiv have made a concerted effort at re-Ukrainianization, even down to the name of the capital city itself. It is not just a difference of transliteration but one of history, Ukrainians argue. The legendary founder of Kyiv, from whom the city gets its name is Prince Kyi, not Prince Kie. The name also has political implications. The Ukrainian Ministry of Foreign Affairs launched the #KyivNotKiev campaign last year to gain recognition for the Ukrainian spelling of the country’s cities. “Under the Russian empire and later the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (USSR),” the ministry wrote , “Russification was actively used as a tool to extinguish each constituent country’s national identity, culture and language. In light of Russia’s war of aggression against Ukraine, including its illegal occupation of Crimea, we are once again experiencing Russification as a tactic that attempts to destabilize and delegitimize our country.”

The government of Ukraine authorizes and promotes the new spelling and pronunciation. So what do right wingers on NT do? They try and mock the new pronunciation and spelling as "leftist" 

There is no end to their bamboozling, although I think they are mainly bamboozling themselves. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
2.1  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @2    2 weeks ago
What is really interesting on this seed is the laughably lame attempt to "blame"  "left" diplomats for the change.

At least you didn't try and contest the fact that the diplomats are leftist. You may recall that Fiona Hill at least admitted it - with the qualifier that the European left is different from the US left.

 
 
 
It Is ME
2.2  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  JohnRussell @2    2 weeks ago
What is really interesting on this seed is the laughably lame attempt to "blame"  "left" diplomats for the change.

Where ?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
3  JohnRussell    2 weeks ago

I think a good question for this discussion would be

"are those who object to the spelling Kyiv and the pronounciation "Keeve" on social media Russian bots? 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
3.1  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @3    2 weeks ago
"are those who object to the spelling Kyiv and the pronounciation "Keeve" on social media Russian bots? 

Then I guess we can ask "if those who put forth leftist narratives are hate-filled progressives?"

 
 
 
JohnRussell
3.1.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1    2 weeks ago

Vic, let's be honest. This seed is highly deceptive in intent.  The government of Ukraine changed the name and spelling of the name of the city, not leftist US diplomats. 

The seed is bamboozling. 

Is that all you guys are going to do now? 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
3.1.2  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.1    2 weeks ago
Vic, let's be honest. This seed is highly deceptive in intent. 

It's intent was to find out why State Department officials were using the new pronunciation. You went so far as to go look into it. By your own statement you didn't know either. Lets not make it something it wasn't.

 
 
 
Tessylo
3.1.3  Tessylo  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.1    2 weeks ago
'Is that all you guys are going to do now?' 

Well, that's all they got.  

 
 
 
JohnRussell
3.1.4  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.2    2 weeks ago

Vic, what I copied and pasted IS IN THE SEEDED ARTICLE.  I didnt "look into it", I opened the seeded article. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
3.1.5  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.4    2 weeks ago

Good for you!

 
 
 
It Is ME
3.1.6  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.1    2 weeks ago
This seed is highly deceptive in intent.

Did you try to "Read between the lines" again ? jrSmiley_78_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
3.1.7  Vic Eldred  replied to  It Is ME @3.1.6    2 weeks ago

Or maybe it's a Schiff style parody of the truth.

 
 
 
WallyW
4  WallyW    2 weeks ago
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