18,000-year-old pup found in Siberian permafrost

  
Via:  perrie-halpern  •  2 months ago  •  21 comments

18,000-year-old pup found in Siberian permafrost
A prehistoric puppy, preserved in a lump of frozen mud in Siberia’s permafrost, may help scientists understand the connection between wolves and dogs.

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Buzz of the Orient
1  Buzz of the Orient    2 months ago

In case anyone besides me is unable to open nbcnews, Perrie's favourite site for seeds, here is a link to the story in text in the L.A. Times, with a better photo than you see above,

https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2019-12-02/russia-ancient-puppy-permafrost-yakutsk-mammoth-museum

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Kavika
2  Kavika     2 months ago

Pretty amazing find. Siberia seems to be one of the new ''hotbeds'' of discovery. 

This is another recent discovery. 

https://mysteriousuniverse.org/2019/06/another-unknown-human-population-group-discovered-in-siberia/

He added that the scientists were about to do a third round of genome sequencing, which might solve the mystery.

Hopefully, it will solve the mystery or it will open the door to new and exciting leads/discoveries. 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
2.1  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Kavika @2    2 months ago

How could this be?  Isn't the Earth only 6000 years old?  Maybe the Martians imported the fossils and planted them here.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
2.1.1  seeder  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @2.1    2 months ago

Good one, Buzz!

 
 
 
Kavika
3  Kavika     2 months ago

Not only is the earth 6,000 years old it's also flat. 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
4  Buzz of the Orient    2 months ago

Of COURSE it's flat. Here's a picture of it.  Does it look spherical to you? colour-blind-friendly-political-wall-map

 
 
 
Kavika
4.1  Kavika   replied to  Buzz of the Orient @4    2 months ago

See, I told you so.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
4.1.1  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Kavika @4.1    2 months ago

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Gordy327
4.2  Gordy327  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @4    2 months ago

Good one Buzz, Lol

 
 
 
1stwarrior
7  1stwarrior    2 months ago

A question would be - are they going to try to clone the little one to actually determine, not only what it is, but where did it originate?

 
 
 
Freefaller
7.1  Freefaller  replied to  1stwarrior @7    2 months ago
are they going to try to clone the little one

Maybe at some point in time but last I read the technology to do so is not there yet

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
7.1.1  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Freefaller @7.1    2 months ago

Yeah, it can only be done at Jurassic Park. 

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
7.1.2  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @7.1.1    2 months ago
Yeah, it can only be done at Jurassic Park. 

They just need to fill in the missing pieces of DNA with frog DNA and this puppy will be hopping around in no time!

But no, at this time the DNA recovered from frozen tundra mammals have all been to decayed to be usable in any DNA seeding of a surrogate species egg. There was a show on an attempt made to get mammoth DNA from Siberia and they did get pretty close to usable material, but they too came up short. They didn't leave empty handed however as they discovered some new frozen mammals to study.

"Also found was a thirty-thousand-year-old wolf from an extinct breed of ice age wolves. A part of this find suggests human activity as the head of the wolf appears to have been decapitated by hunters."

https://corporate.discovery.com/discovery-newsroom/science-channel-goes-in-search-of-woolly-mammoths-and-other-creatures-frozen-in-time-in-lost-beasts-of-the-ice-age-premiering-sunday-february-24-at-8pm/

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
7.1.3  seeder  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @7.1.2    2 months ago

But that would be so cool.

 
 
 
bccrane
8  bccrane    2 months ago

So I guess the question is, how did the puppy end up in the permafrost basically intact?  This is similar to a woolly mammoth that was found intact, the only way I can see this happening is there was no permafrost at the time of their deaths.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
8.1  seeder  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  bccrane @8    2 months ago

They usually got caught in unexpected snowstorms, died and then the permafrost happened. It was kind of sad to see the pup that way. 

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
8.1.1  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @8.1    2 months ago

With this find, man's best friend will now become his teacher.

 
 
 
bccrane
8.1.2  bccrane  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @8.1    2 months ago

One thing that wasn't mentioned in the article was where the pup was found, was it found in peat like the woolly mammoth?  That suggests bogs not permafrost.  With the glaciers receding there was no permafrost for the ground wouldn't be frozen under a glacier.  I believe the pup died like the woolly mammoth from breaking through a vegetative layer over the bog or falling in and not able to get back out, dying from hypothermia and sinking to the bottom and sediments covering them and preserving them in the peat saving them from predators and weathering.  

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
8.1.3  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  bccrane @8.1.2    2 months ago

The fact that it was found in a lump of frozen mud is evidence of your theory.

 
 
 
Freefaller
8.2  Freefaller  replied to  bccrane @8    2 months ago
the only way I can see this happening is there was no permafrost at the time

The last glacial period peak was approx. 18000 years ago so there was certainly permafrost when the puppy died, however during warmer months there would be some surface thawing allowing the puppy to be buried and subsequently frozen, additional sedimentation in subsequent years would put the puppy below the permanent permafrost layer until now.

 
 
 
The People's Fish
9  The People's Fish    2 months ago

We have to harvest the cells and then clone it creating the saber tooth poodle.

 
 
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