IG Report Proves Adam Schiff Has Been Lying About Spygate Since The Beginning

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IG Report Proves Adam Schiff Has Been Lying About Spygate Since The Beginning
Following the inspector general’s FISA report that proved nearly every sentence wrong in Rep. Adam Schiff’s last high-profile report, Schiff’s work should be deemed worthless.

S E E D E D   C O N T E N T

On Friday, Democrats on the House Judiciary Committee approved two articles of impeachment against President Trump: abuse of power and obstruction of Congress. The committee vote   sends   the question to the full House, with a vote expected later this week.

That fast timeline won’t allow for much consideration of the question, however, forcing folks to rely on House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff’s 300-page   report   detailing his committee’s “impeachment inquiry.” But following last week’ release of the inspector general’s report on FISA abuse that proved nearly every sentence wrong in Schiff’s last high-profile report (his self-titled “Correcting the Record—The Russia Investigation”), Schiff’s work product should be deemed worthless.

Schiff issued his “Correcting the Record” minority report on January 29, 2018, following the release of a memorandum by the then-chair of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence (HPSCI), Devin Nunes. In his 10-page response, Schiff contradicted every point Nunes made. Schiff also contradicted reality.

Last week’s IG report made that clear. But it takes a re-reading of Schiff’s left-celebrated memorandum to grasp the extent of deception Schiff peddled at the time.

IG Vindicated Nunes, Damned Schiff

“FBI and DOJ officials did   not   ‘abuse’ the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) process, omit material information, or subvert this vital tool to spy on the Trump campaign,” Schiff’s memorandum began. There’s a lot of lies to unpack in that one sentence—lies Schiff repeats throughout the memorandum. A montage of Schiff’s “no abuse” claims weaved throughout his memorandum contrast sharply with the IG’s findings.

For instance, Schiff assured Americans the “DOJ met the   rigor, transparency, and evidentiary basis   needed to meet FISA’s probable cause requirement.” Then Schiff claims, in bold for emphasis, that the   “DOJ’s October 21, 2016 FISA application and three subsequent renewals carefully outlined for the Court a multi-pronged rationale for surveilling Page.”

He also claimed “DOJ’s warrant request was based on compelling evidence and probable cause to believe Page was knowingly assisting clandestine Russian intelligence activities in the U.S.” “DOJ told the Court the truth,” Schiff promised, and then supported this claim by representing to the public that “current and former senior officials later corroborated” the statements in the FISA applications “in extensive Committee testimony.”

These passages all coalesce to the same false general claim: there was nothing remiss in the FISA applications. The facts prove otherwise. Yes, there was abuse. Yes, the FBI and DOJ omitted material information. Yes, the FBI and DOJ subverted this vital tool to spy on the Trump campaign. No, there was no rigor, transparency, or evidentiary basis for the FISA applications, and the applications did not “carefully outline” the basis for surveilling Page. And, no, the DOJ did not tell the court the truth.

The IG made these points clear over the course of 480 pages, capsulized by these two sentences: “We identified multiple instances in which factual assertions relied upon in the first FISA application were inaccurate, incomplete, or unsupported by appropriate documentation.” “We identified at least 17 significant errors or omissions in the Carter Page FISA applications.”

In addition to the general platitudes of professionalism Schiff spewed, he added several whoppers, such as: “FISA was   not   used to spy on Trump or his campaign.” To back up this falsehood, Schiff relied on the ignorance of the general public concerning FISA surveillance warrants, stressing: “As the Trump campaign and Page have acknowledged, Page ended his formal affiliation with the campaign months   before   DOJ applied for a warrant.”

As a matter of law, Schiff’s statement obfuscates the reality that the FISA warrant   authorized   the government to obtain   prior   communications between Page and Trump campaign officials. The report also confirmed that the FBI obtained emails “between Page and members of the Donald J. Trump for President Campaign concerning campaign related matters.”

Everything Schiff Said about Steele Was Also False

Another fabricated theme in Schiff’s “Correcting the Record” memorandum concerned the Steele dossier. The DOJ “made only narrow use of information from Steele’s sources about Page’s specific activities in 2016, chiefly his suspected July 2016 meeting in Moscow with Russian officials,” Schiff claimed.

But as the IG report made clear, the Steele dossier made the FISA case. Prior to receiving the dossier, the FBI had consulted the various offices charged with determining the propriety of a FISA warrant. At that point, they “determined that more information was needed to support probable cause that Page was an agent of a foreign power.”

Receipt of the Steele dossier changed everything: “Immediately after the Crossfire Hurricane team received Steele’s election reporting,” the IG report explained, the team “reinitiated” its attempt to obtain a FISA surveillance order, and ultimately obtained the first order from the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISC) on October 21. Or, as the IG put it, Steele’s election reporting “played a central and essential role in the FBI’s and Department’s decision to seek the FISA order.”

Schiff’s memorandum continued with several more falsehoods concerning the FISA applications’ discussions of Steele, about Steele’s prior relationship with the FBI, his credibility, and the political motivations of those who hired him. The California congressman then doubled down, heading and underscoring a page-plus discussion of the supposed “DOJ’s Transparency about Christopher Steele:”

Far from ‘omitting’ material facts about Steele, as the Majority claims, DOJ repeatedly informed the Court about Steele’s background, credibility, and potential bias.   DOJ explained in detail Steele’s prior relationship with and compensation from the FBI; his credibility, reporting history, and source network; the fact of and reason for his termination as a source in late October 2016; and the likely political motivations of those who hired Steele.

Schiff then elaborated on each of these points. He started by calling the cryptic footnote included in the FISA applications “an extensive explanation to the Court” of “the political context of Steele’s research,” and then claimed the failure to identify the Democratic National Committee and Hillary Clinton’s funding of the Steele dossier was a purposeful decision by the DOJ not to “unmask” U.S. persons.


Of course, there would be no unmasking in a FISA application filed under seal with the secret court. More significantly, the footnote failed to provide the FISA court a fair understanding of the political bias at play.

The IG faulted the FBI for this omission, just as many on the right have criticized the FBI for intentionally obscuring the DNC and Clinton campaign’s role in funding the Steele dossier. The FBI should have updated the description of the funding source of Steele’s information to “provide greater clarity on the political origins and connections of Steele’s reporting, including that Simpson was hired by someone associated with the Democratic Party and/or the DNC,” the IG report stressed.

Schiff Hides Steele’s Obvious Bias, Unreliability

Further, while Schiff claimed the FBI informed the FISA court about Steele’s potential bias, the IG concluded it was a significant error to omit the fact that Steele was “desperate that Donald Trump not get elected and was passionate about him not being the U.S. President.”

Schiff then moved on to Steele’s credibility, writing the “DOJ explained the FBI’s reasonable basis for finding Steele credible.” “The applications also reviewed Steele’s multi-year history of credible reporting on Russia and other matters, including information DOJ used in criminal proceedings,” Schiff stressed. He then noted that “Senior FBI and DOJ officials have repeatedly affirmed to the Committee the reliability and credibility of Steele’s reporting, an assessment also reflected in the FBI’s underlying source documents.”

However, the IG report detailed additional information the FBI received that raised “significant questions about the reliability of the Steele election reporting.” The IG also faulted the FBI for asserting in the FISA applications that “Steele’s prior reporting had been ‘corroborated and used in criminal proceedings,’” when “his past contributions to the FBI’s criminal program had been ‘minimally corroborated.”

The IG report further noted that Steele’s handling agent noted that “only ‘some’ of Steele’s prior reporting had been corroborated-most of it had not.” Additionally, “Steele’s information was never used in a criminal proceeding.” Accordingly, DOJ Inspector General Michael Horowitz concluded that the FBI “created the inaccurate impression in the applications that at least some of Steele’s past reporting had been deemed sufficiently reliable by prosecutors to use in court, and that more of his information had been corroborated than was actually the case.”

Lies By (Deliberate?) Omission

Next, Schiff focused on Steele’s termination, first claiming   the FBI properly notified the FISC after it terminated Steele as a source for making unauthorized disclosure to the media.” That was half true: The FBI did notify the FISC that it terminated Steele as a source; it’s just that the FBI hadn’t actually terminated him, instead using DOJ attorney Bruce Ohr as a conduit. Or as the IG put it, “the use of Ohr as a conduit between the FBI and Steele created a relationship by proxy” with Steele.

Relatedly, Schiff argued Nunes “cites no evidence that the FBI, prior to filing its initial October 21, 2016 application, actually knew or should have known of any allegedly inappropriate media contacts by Steele.” The IG, though, chastised the FBI for not questioning “Steele about his role in a September 23, 2016   Yahoo News   article entitled,   U.S. intel officials probe ties between Trump advisor and Kremlin .” It was not just the FBI’s uncanny lack of curiosity the IG condemned, but that “the FBI assessed in the Carter Page FISA applications, without any support, that Steele had not ‘directly provided’ that information to   Yahoo News .”

It also seems likely that Schiff repeated another falsehood from the FISA applications, in this portion of his memo:


While what the DOJ told the secret FISA court in subsequent renewals is redacted, the sentence indicates it is about “Steele’s reporting about Page’s Moscow meetings.” And the IG report highlighted several problems with the FISA applications’ discussion of this meeting.

First, Steele’s primary sub-source “contradicted key assertions” related to the alleged meeting between Page and the Kremlin-connected Igor Sechin. Second, two of the renewal applications summarized the FBI’s discussion with the sub-source deceptively, stating: “In an effort to further corroborate Steele’s reporting,” the FISA applications stated they met with the primary sub-source and found him to be “truthful and cooperative.” The IG found that including this statement without also noting that the primary sub-source had contradicted key assertions in Steele’s reporting, “left a misimpression that the Primary Sub-source had corroborated the Steele reporting.”

Schiff highlighted the supposed “multiple independent sources that corroborated Steele’s reporting” in subsequent FISA renewals. By then redacting nearly three full paragraphs, Schiff created the impression that highly classified information in fact backed up Steele’s dossier.

The IG’s report, though, made clear that “the FBI did not have information corroborating the specific allegations against Carter Page in Steele’s reporting when it relied upon his reports in the first FISA application or subsequent renewal applications.” To the contrary, the IG found that the FBI had interviewed Steele and two of his sub-sources that those interviews “revealed potentially serious problems with Steele’s description of information in his reports.” For instance, in January 2017, the FBI interviewed Steele’s primary sub-source and determined his statements “were inconsistent with multiple sections of the Steele reports, including some that were relied upon in the FISA applications.”

Deceptive Allusions and Hints

Schiff’s memo also repeated the misrepresentation the DOJ and FBI made in the FISA applications concerning Page’s prior connections with Russian intelligence: “In fact, the FBI interviewed Page in March 2016 about his contact with Russian intelligence, the very month candidate Donald Trump named him a foreign policy advisor,” Schiff wrote. Schiff also dedicated an entire two paragraphs to what the Democrat captioned, “Page’s Connections to Russian Government and Intelligence Officials” and “Page remained on the radar of Russian intelligence and the FBI.”

Those paragraphs portrayed Page’s contacts with Russian intelligence contacts as nefarious and providing an “independent basis for investigating Page.” Schiff also added several redacted passages which he explained the “DOJ described in detail to the Court,” suggesting there was even more damning evidence against Page before the FISA court.


The first of seven “significant inaccuracies and omissions” Horowitz detailed in the IG report destroy Schiff’s portrayal of Page as a compromised compatriot of Russian intelligence agents. The FISA applications “omitted information the FBI had obtained from another U.S. government agency detailing its prior relationship with Page,” Horowitz wrote, “including that Page had been approved as an ‘operational contact’ for the other agency from 2008 to 2013, and that Page had provided information to the other agency concerning his prior contacts with certain Russian intelligence officers, one of which overlapped with facts asserted in the FISA application.”

The IG called this omission “particularly concerning” because the National Security Division’s Office of Intelligence specifically asked whether Page had a current or prior relationship with the other agency, and the FBI case agent misrepresented Page’s relationship. Further, “Page had disclosed to the other agency contacts that he had with [Russian intelligence agents] and the other agency had positively assessed Page’s candor.

It’s even worse than that: When the other agency reminded the case agent of Page’s past status with that agency, “instead of including this information in the final renewal application, [the attorney] altered an email from the other agency so that the email stated that Page was ‘not a source’ for the other agency, which the FBI affiant relied upon in singing the final renewal application.”

Repeating False Claims from a Debunked ‘Dossier’

Schiff then proceeded to repeat the claims Steele made in his dossier, concerning Page’s supposed July 2016 secret meetings with Sechin and Igor Divyekin, two high-level Kremlin-connected Russians. “Sechin allegedly discussed the prospect of future U.S.-Russia energy cooperation and an associated move to lift Ukraine-related western sanctions against Russia.” “Divyekin allegedly disclosed to Page that the Kremlin possessed compromising information on Clinton (‘Kompromat’)” and noted “the possibility of its being released to [Trump].”

But these claims were not corroborated and the FISA court was never told that Page denied having met “Sechin and Divyekin,” yet a further problem for the “transparent” application.

Another area of deception concerned Schiff’s discussion of former Trump advisor George Papadopoulos. Specifically, Schiff claimed there was “evidence that Russia courted another Trump advisor, Papadopoulos, and that Russian agents previewed their hack and dissemination of stolen emails.” Schiff also spoke of “Papadopoulos’s interaction with Russian agents.”

But, as the IG report made clear, there was no “preview” of hacked or stolen emails. Rather, what a “Friendly Foreign Government,” known from the popular press to be Australia and its former London-based diplomat Alexander Downer, told the FBI is that Papadopoulos had “received some kind of suggestion from Russia that it could assist . . . with the anonymous release of information during the campaign that would be damaging to Mrs. Clinton (and President Obama).”

The individual who made that suggestion to Papadopoulos, Joseph Mifsud, wasn’t a Russian agent—or if he was, he was the worst in the combined history of the USSR and Russian Federation, as he   allowed   the United States access to his two Blackberry smartphones.

Scrutiny of Known Falsehoods Isn’t Scrutiny

Schiff also defended the FISA applications by stressing that senior DOJ and FBI officials appointed by both the Obama and Trump administrations certified the FISA applications, and that four different federal judges, all appointed by Republican presidents, approved them, which the California democrat claimed “received independent scrutiny” from the judges.

But, as the IG report explains, “the Crossfire Hurricane team failed to inform Department officials of significant information that was available to the team at the time that the FISA applications were drafted and filed. Much of that information was inconsistent with, or undercut the assertions contained in the FISA applications that were used to support probable cause and, in some instances, resulted in inaccurate information being included in the applications.”

That various DOJ officials approved the applications under these circumstances means nothing. The same holds true for the FISA court judges: The four judges authorized the surveillance based on false and misleading evidence and material omissions. That they were all “Republican” judges means nothing

Beyond the false and misleading applications, however, there is a real question concerning how much “independent scrutiny” the applications received from the court given the importance of Steele’s claims concerning Page, and the fact that “Steele himself was not the originating source of any of the factual information in his reporting.” It is difficult to fathom an application based on evidence from uncorroborated sub-sources withstanding judicial scrutiny once, much less four times.

Wiretaps Useful to the Democratic Party

Schiff’s claim that “the Court-approved surveillance of Page allowed FBI to collect valuable intelligence” and that “the FISA renewals demonstrate that the FBI collected important investigative information and leads by conducting Court-approved surveillance” also crumble when considered in light of both the IG report and the special counsel report. There was no valuable intelligence discussed in either the Robert Mueller special counsel report or the IG report flowing from Page’s surveillance.

Further, when Horowitz testified before the Senate Judiciary Committee last week, the IG swatted down that same suggestion when Sen. Richard Blumenthal raised it. “Based on your experience and your report, there’s a reason why warrants are renewed,” Blumenthal began. “They are renewed because they are producing useful information, correct?” “And your review of those warrants would indicate that they were producing useful information,” Blumenthal continued. IG Horowitz responded, “I’m not sure that’s entirely correct.”

Blumenthal pressed the point, saying “they were producing information,” to which IG Horowitz acknowledged “they were producing information,” but that he was “not sure how I would characterize how they were helpful or not.” However, given that nothing has come of that evidence, it would seem the answer is clear.

But one would also think that since nothing came of the two-plus year Russia collusion investigation, even with the appointment of a well-funded special counsel, Democrats would give up on their attempts to undo the 2016 election. The impending impeachment vote proves otherwise.


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The People's Fish
1  seeder  The People's Fish    3 months ago

Why did Adam Schiff lie to us for two years?

1.1  loki12  replied to  The People's Fish @1    3 months ago

But trump has lied X thousand of times deflection in 3....2.....1......

The People's Fish
1.1.1  seeder  The People's Fish  replied to  loki12 @1.1    3 months ago

Yes because the media that lied for two years about the Russia Hoax told us so.

1.1.2  Ozzwald  replied to  The People's Fish @1.1.1    3 months ago

Yes because the media that lied for two years about the Russia Hoax told us so.

What Russian hoax?

Links between Trump associates and Russian officials

As of their last update on June 3, 2019, The Moscow Project — an initiative of the Center for American Progress Action Fund — had documented "272 contacts between Trump's team and Russia-linked operatives ... including at least 38 meetings.... None of these contacts were ever reported to the proper authorities. Instead, the Trump team tried to cover up every single one of them."[23]

1.1.3  loki12  replied to  Ozzwald @1.1.2    2 months ago

OMG>>>>>stop the presses Michael Flynn and several others in government had contacts with Russians!  FFS how many contacts do you think that Cunt Hillary had? or Bill? or Bill giving his 2500,000 dollar say nothing speach's? This is her stupid fucking campaign manager for fucks sack.  How many contacts do you think this dick wad had? 

The Podesta Group also represented (as of 2016) the interests of Russia's largest financial institution,  Sberbank of Russia , which controls approximately 30 percent of Russian banking assets. [18]

It's funny how gullible some people are. Sad, but Funny.

1.1.4  loki12  replied to  Ozzwald @1.1.2    2 months ago
Links between Trump associates and Russian officials

HAHAHAHAHAHA..............your link lists Carter Page? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.............He was working as a CIA undercover operative spying on Russia under the Obama administration and you list him?  HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.......

1.1.5  XDm9mm  replied to  Ozzwald @1.1.2    2 months ago
an initiative of the Center for American Progress Action Fund

Ah...   such an unbiased source of information:

  Center for American Progress : This leftist think tank is headed by former  Clinton  chief of staff  John   Podesta , works closely with  Hillary Clinton , and employs numerous former Clinton administration staffers. It is committed to "developing a long-term vision of a progressive America" and "providing a forum to generate new progressive ideas and policy proposals."
1.1.6  Tacos!  replied to  loki12 @1.1.4    2 months ago
your link lists Carter Page

That’s embarrassing. Or rather, it should be embarrassing.

1.1.7  loki12  replied to  Tacos! @1.1.6    2 months ago

Seriously funny how some people can take the fact that people in foreign service come into contact with....wait for it.....foreigners. And make it somehow bad. 

1.2  bugsy  replied to  The People's Fish @1    3 months ago

Well, the liberal media told me for 3 years that Trump is a bad orange man. Because I am a liberal s/, I lemmingly believed every word of it.

Just Jim NC TttH
1.2.1  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  bugsy @1.2    3 months ago


Dismayed Patriot
1.3  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  The People's Fish @1    3 months ago
Why did Adam Schiff lie to us for two years?

He didn't. You probably shouldn't just accept such bullshit opinions from clearly partisan nut jobs. The headline makes a claim that the seed can't back up. All the author of the federalist opinion piece does is throw a bunch of bullshit at the wall hoping a wet kernel of conservative corn will stick.

Basically, the crux of this partisan authors opinion is, Schiff said "narrow" but we partisans believe it was "broad" so Schiff is a liar. What a sad rack on which to hang their hats.

The People's Fish
1.3.1  seeder  The People's Fish  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @1.3    3 months ago

Make your case point by point, he admitted he was wrong this weekend on the diatribe of media interviews. He lied.

He told us there was indisputable evidence of Russian collusion and then the Mueller report came out. He lied.

He told us the FBI did nothing wrong, he lied again.

He lied because he's a liar.

Dismayed Patriot
1.3.2  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  The People's Fish @1.3.1    2 months ago
he admitted he was wrong this weekend on the diatribe of media interviews. He lied.

Admitting you were wrong equals admitting you lied?

"He told us there was indisputable evidence of Russian collusion and then the Mueller report came out. He lied."

So it's a lie simply because Trump sycophants disputed it but he said it was "indisputable"? Hell, there are Trump supporters here on NT who dispute the earth is older than 9,000 years, are we really going to acknowledge them like they might have an actual point? Seriously? Do we call everyone who believe the earth is 4.5 billion years old "liars" because that age is being "disputed" by some folk who apparently lack access to most of their brain tissue?

"He told us the FBI did nothing wrong, he lied again."

"The 434-page report issued Monday by Justice Department Inspector General Michael Horowitz concluded that the FBI had an “authorized purpose” when it initiated its investigation ".


Trying to nit pick at the miniscule errors made by FBI agents, which occurred on BOTH sides as found by the IG (there was bias found for Trump as much as there was against him) shows how dishonest and hollow your sad Trump defense argument is. Doesn't it get tiresome to have to keep defending such a waste of space? To have to actively work to defend such a universal slime ball must really take its toll on the soul, but then, I wouldn't know, I spend no time defending him or any other vile politician caught with their pants down. I didn't defend Clinton, Mr. or Mrs., so I have no reason to feel guilty about bashing Trump and his continual embarrassing tweets and ignorant speeches daily. I really do not envy the Trump crowd, because as soon as the red meat for them to feast on is gone they will start to eat their own.

1.3.3  MUVA  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @1.3.2    2 months ago

Schitt  lied he has told 1 million in the last year every syllable and consonant and dangling participle he utters is a untruth.

1.3.4  MUVA  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @1.3.2    2 months ago

Your living and learning in alternate reality. 

pat wilson
1.3.5  pat wilson  replied to  MUVA @1.3.3    2 months ago


Freedom Warrior
1.3.6  Freedom Warrior  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @1.3.2    2 months ago

Wow you really do put up a good impression that you actually believe that shit

Sean Treacy
1.3.7  Sean Treacy  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @1.3.2    2 months ago
rying to nit pick at the miniscule errors made by FBI agents

Faking and withholding exculpatory evidence to spy on an American citizen is a "minuscule error?"  Okay Comey.  

Seriouslym do you every stop and think what you are claiming in your rush to score silly partisan points. 

there was bias found for Trump as much as there was against him

Really? Where did the IG say the agents in Operation Crossfire Hurriance were biased for Trump as much as against him? 

That's some shameful shit you are posting.. 

1.3.8  loki12  replied to  Sean Treacy @1.3.7    2 months ago
Faking and withholding exculpatory evidence to spy on an American citizen is a "minuscule error?"  Okay Comey. 

Not once, Not twice, 17 times that he could document. And he could only talk to active duty personnel, anybody else could tell him to pound sand.

Greg Jones
1.3.9  Greg Jones  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @1.3.2    2 months ago

Trying to nit pick at the miniscule errors made by FBI agents....

There were multiple intentional errors with malice aforethought as has been shown to be true by Horowitz himself.

dennis smith
1.3.10  dennis smith  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @1.3.2    2 months ago

Admitting you were wrong equals admitting you lied?

Yes,  if you are a lifetime politician.

1.3.11  WallyW  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @1.3.2    2 months ago

Trying to nit pick at the miniscule errors made by FBI agents


Vic Eldred
1.4  Vic Eldred  replied to  The People's Fish @1    2 months ago

Another great article. The final Horowitz Report, which was fairly lenient on FBI/DOJ offenders, has left us with a lot of facts about conspiracies & coups. The Report absolutely confirms that everything in the Nunes Memo was true and virtually every word out of Adam Schiff's mouth was a lie. Adam Schiff got an earful on impeachment when he returned home for a "town hall meeting". Even in California, where the deck is stacked against citizens, Schiff's constituents blasted him for his outrageous lying.

dennis smith
1.5  dennis smith  replied to  The People's Fish @1    2 months ago

Because he hates Trump.

2  JohnRussell    3 months ago


Dismayed Patriot
2.1  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  JohnRussell @2    2 months ago
He told us the FBI did nothing wrong, he lied again.

Don't expect them to follow the rules, their favorite President is a known liar, accused of sexual assault by more than two dozen women, ran half a dozen businesses into bankruptcy, cheated on all three of his trophy wives, has never worked on honest day in his life, was handed $400 million by daddy, used 5 deferments including a 'spurious' claim of bone spurs to avoid serving our nation, was a close friend of child rapist Jeff Epstein, has lied over 15,000 times since taking office, was happy to receive Russian aid during the 2016 election and told Russia he didn't care about their meddling, but then asked at least two other foreign governments to dig up dirt for him on his political opponents in exchange for better relations with their countries and even the release of congressionally approved foreign aid, he's even a currently unindicted co-conspirator in a campaign finance case where his co-conspirator is already serving time and the only reason he is not in jail himself is because of Justice department rules that don't allow a sitting President to be indicted and can only be held accountable by congress. So anyone with that guy as their proclaimed hero, worrying about their posting the correct picture with their seed is pretty ridiculous.

2.1.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @2.1    2 months ago

The same people who are now etching every comma and period of the IG report in stone, are the same people who ridiculed the Mueller Report and accused Mueller of being "deep state" (ignoring perhaps the inconvenient fact that the IG report shoots down any reality of a "deep state". )

Schiff may have been too eager to believe some explanations that favored his interpretation of the Russian business. Thats life. It doesnt make him a plotter against Trump. 

Trump can do a thousand bad acts and his base and the conspiracy crowd dont see a thing. God help "Democrats" if they placed faith in the FBI. That means they are traitors. It's a bamboozled world. 

2.1.2  KDMichigan  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.1    2 months ago
It's a bamboozled world. 

Only people bamboozled are the types that get there news from sources like the Daily Beast.

I look forward to all the crying when President Trump is reelected, 


2.1.3  JohnRussell  replied to  KDMichigan @2.1.2    2 months ago

Your posts are always remarkably free of facts. 

You do use a lot of memes though.  Some people need visuals to inspire thought. 

Dismayed Patriot
2.1.4  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.1    2 months ago
are the same people who ridiculed the Mueller Report and accused Mueller of being "deep state"

And they are so deluded they believe they can have it both ways. They proclaim Mueller a "deep state" operative, but then his investigation didn't find criminal conspiracy, just 10 clear counts of obstruction of justice. So what do Trump fans do? They proclaim Mueller has exonerated the President while simultaneously claiming we can't trust the obstruction accounts because Mueller must still be a 'deep state" operative. It really is mind boggling, how they can champion what they see as Mueller's conclusions that there isn't sufficient evidence to prove the President committed criminal conspiracy (aka 'collusion'), but then attack the rest of the report which clearly shows an unstable moron trying desperately to cover his ass doing everything from telling staff to fire the investigators to telling them to falsify records. So to them, we should rely on Mueller's exculpatory lack of evidence on which they believe clears Trump of any charges of collusion, but the damning evidence of obstruction Mueller found should be ignored because Mueller's a supposed partisan operative of some fantasy "deep state". You just can't reason with them anymore, I'm not even sure why I bother sometimes. It's a lot like bothering to tell a smoker that cigarettes cause cancer, it's not like they don't know, but they do it anyway and you're just going to get a whiny earful of their bullshit as they defend their obviously destructive habits.

Freedom Warrior
2.1.5  Freedom Warrior  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @2.1.4    2 months ago

You appear as confused as  Mueller was in front of Congress

2.1.6  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.3    2 months ago

Yeah, some people like to use giant bold colored print also!

Greg Jones
2.1.7  Greg Jones  replied to  Freedom Warrior @2.1.5    2 months ago

Willfully ignorant as well. Not going to end well for Comey, Schiff, et al.

dennis smith
2.1.8  dennis smith  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.3    2 months ago

Some just listen to the mainstream media and use that info as their inspiration to think.

2.1.9  WallyW  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @2.1    2 months ago
Lie after lie after lie......   jrSmiley_76_smiley_image.gif

Paula Bartholomew
3  Paula Bartholomew    2 months ago

If you combined all the lies from the hill, they would still be far less than the lies Trump has told.

Freedom Warrior
3.1.1  Freedom Warrior  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @3.1    2 months ago

Yeah meanwhile it only took obummer a handful of lies and he cost me over 100 grand

5  JBB    2 months ago

The IG Report found the Russia Probe "Justified"...

5.1  WallyW  replied to  JBB @5    2 months ago

It was found to be "FAKE"...

It Is ME
6  It Is ME    2 months ago

The Democrats "idea" of "Abuse of Power", is Ignoring their idiotic sham plans !

7  loki12    2 months ago

Here is something that the left has failed at explaining, we keep hearing them bleat that the Probe was justified, do these idiots know that the probe and the FISA warrant are 2 separate things? They lied 17 times in order to get a FISA warrant to tape an American CIA agents phone lines to listen in on the trump campaign. This is an undisputed fact.There is no way anyone can claim this was justified, with the exception of some partisan hack who can't think beyond his provided talking points.  The probe of Russian interference is one thing, lying to spy on the trump campaign is another altogether.   I will wait to see what Durham finds, His job Isn't to protect the Agency, His job is to prosecute for wrong doing.  Hopefully he uses Mueller tactics, if you can't win, just bankrupt them and destroy their lives. 

The Magic Eight Ball
8  The Magic Eight Ball    2 months ago
The four judges authorized the surveillance based on false and misleading evidence and material omissions

investigators at that level do not suddenly forget their SOP's

they knowingly lied to the court. period.

they need to be arrested and prosecuted to the full extent.


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