Waste Of Time

  
By:  john-russell  •  one month ago  •  30 comments

Waste Of Time
 


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I know this is an utter waste of time, but I will say it anyway. 

Trump asked Zelensky to announce an investigation of Biden, and then Trump lied about it. 

According to you guys, Trumps lies have no ramifications. 

If the whistleblower had not come forward, there would be an "announced" Ukrainian "investigation" into Joe Biden underway today.  Since there is nothing to investigate, it would be a fake "announced" investigation, being made to ensure that President* Trump would remain amenable to helping Ukraine. The blackmailing of Ukraine would be ongoing. 

The effect in the US would be that Trump would get to preface every mention of Joe Biden , who is leading the Democratic presidential field at this point, with the characterization that Biden is "dirty" because he is being investigated by Ukraine.  No one would know that this this "investigation" by Ukraine was the result of Trump blackmailing them. 

For the rest of the 2020 election Trump would be regularly letting everyone know that Joe Biden was under current investigation by Ukraine, for corruption in that country. 

It is highly possible that, without the whistleblower,  Trump would be able to smear Biden's campaign , and get away with it, at least in the eyes of those who dont care that Trump has lied 16,000 times. 

How many other of those 16,000 lies have led people to misunderstand issues or situations, or disregard the truth in dozens or hundreds of other circumstances? 

It is IDIOTIC to suggest that 16,000 lies by the president of the United States have no effect on anything, unless we have the philosophy that nothing anyone says , ever,  means anything either.  

If Trump's 16,000 lies dont mean anything, then why does it bother you that people mention them, after all, complaints about the lies dont mean anything either, using your logic. 


 





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JohnRussell
1  author  JohnRussell    one month ago

How many other of those 16,000 lies have led people to misunderstand issues or situations, or disregard the truth in dozens or hundreds of other circumstances? 

It is IDIOTIC to suggest that 16,000 lies by the president of the United States have no effect on anything

 
 
 
squiggy
1.1  squiggy  replied to  JohnRussell @1    one month ago

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MrFrost
1.1.1  MrFrost  replied to  squiggy @1.1    one month ago

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1.1.2  squiggy  replied to  MrFrost @1.1.1    one month ago

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WallyW
1.2  WallyW  replied to  JohnRussell @1    one month ago

So....what, if any, dire effects have occurred because of these so called lies?

A lot more than 16,000 lies have been spoken by the democrats during this long and mind numbing impeachment saga.

 
 
 
MrFrost
1.2.1  MrFrost  replied to  WallyW @1.2    one month ago

A lot more than 16,000 lies have been spoken by the democrats during this long and mind numbing impeachment saga.

Factually not true. Also, the "I know you are but what am I" defense is a rather poor one. Trump has now told more lies than the last 4 presidents combined...in 3 years. 

 
 
 
WallyW
1.2.2  WallyW  replied to  MrFrost @1.2.1    one month ago

No one that matters...cares.

 
 
 
MrFrost
1.2.3  MrFrost  replied to  WallyW @1.2.2    one month ago

The right wing spent 8 years screaming that Obama and Hillary were huge liars. Trump takes office and all the sudden, no one cares about lying. Just like no one cares about the debt or how much the president golfs. When Obama was in office, these were DAILY complaints but as soon as trump takes office? All the sudden those whiners shut up despite trump golfing, lying and increasing the debt FAR more than Obama ever did. It may not matter to you now, but when Obama was in office, I am DAMN sure it mattered then. 

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
1.2.4  Freedom Warrior  replied to  MrFrost @1.2.3    one month ago

So you’re complaining that the Republicans have lowered themselves  down to the level of the Democrats corruption and so forth so on, not much an argument particularly given that it’s not really true.

 
 
 
MrFrost
1.2.5  MrFrost  replied to  Freedom Warrior @1.2.4    one month ago
So you’re complaining that the Republicans have lowered themselves  down to the level of the Democrats corruption and so forth so on, not much an argument particularly given that it’s not really true.

Oh please, most republicans have literally lowered themselves so much they have to look up to see whale shit. Remember all those scandals, lawyers, lawsuits, angry 3am tweets, lies, attacks on the media and fellow Americans including gold star families when Obama was in office? Oh wait, he never did any of that shit, that was all trump. Republicans lost the moral high ground when they voted for trump. Sorry bubba, that's just reality. 

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XDm9mm
2  XDm9mm    one month ago

Hey JR....   yeah YOU.

Go back to the thread you originally posted this diatribe on and view my responses there.  I've already wasted enough time doing it and won't do it again.

Bye-Bye

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2.1  author  JohnRussell  replied to  XDm9mm @2    one month ago

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Larry Hampton
3  Larry Hampton    one month ago
post-truth
/ˌpōs(t)ˈtro͞oTH/
adjective
  1. relating to or denoting circumstances in which objective facts are less influential in shaping public opinion than appeals to emotion and personal belief.
 
 
 
WallyW
3.1  WallyW  replied to  Larry Hampton @3    one month ago

The democrat strategy all along, thanks for reminding us.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
3.2  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Larry Hampton @3    one month ago

The lying and bamboozling on social media, such as NT, by Trump supporters, is out of control. 

 
 
 
XDm9mm
3.2.1  XDm9mm  replied to  JohnRussell @3.2    one month ago
The lying and bamboozling on social media, such as NT, by Trump supporters, is out of control.

Coming from the master of it, that's hilarious there JR, hilarious.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
4  Vic Eldred    one month ago

"If the whistleblower had not come forward, there would be an "announced" Ukrainian "investigation" into Joe Biden underway today. "

You mean the mere thought of an investigation by the Ukraine triggered the whistleblower to act?  I wonder what he was afraid of?

 
 
 
MrFrost
4.1  MrFrost  replied to  Vic Eldred @4    one month ago

Lots of rumors out there that the whistleblower is Kellyanne Conway. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
4.1.1  Vic Eldred  replied to  MrFrost @4.1    one month ago
Lots of rumors out there that the whistleblower is Kellyanne Conway. 

His name is Eric Ciaramella

 
 
 
MrFrost
5  MrFrost    one month ago

So all these "crimes" that the biden's allegedly did, (according to trump, with absolutely no evidence at all), happened in 2015.

Trump signed the Ukraine aid in 2017 with no hold. 

Trump signed it in 2018 with no hold. 

Trump signed it in 2019, but held it just a couple weeks after Biden announced he was running for president, and he was crushing trump in the polls, (as reported by fox fake news). 

Naw, nothing fishy about that at all..

[eye roll]

/s

 
 
 
XDm9mm
5.1  XDm9mm  replied to  MrFrost @5    one month ago
Trump signed the Ukraine aid in 2017 with no hold. 

Trump signed it in 2018 with no hold. 

Trump signed it in 2019,

With a new President coming into power.  Yeah, nothing unusual about that.

 
 
 
MrFrost
5.1.1  MrFrost  replied to  XDm9mm @5.1    one month ago

With a new President coming into power.  Yeah, nothing unusual about that.

Then why wait three years? Seriously, you don't find it at all odd that it only happened after Biden said he was running for president? That's literally the only thing that changed. Do you think trump would have asked the Ukraine to investigate the Bidens had Joe not decided to run? Of course not, if that was the case, he would have asked for the investigation back in 2017. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
6  author  JohnRussell    one month ago

After Russian troops seized and occupied the Crimean peninsula in the spring of 2014 — the first post-Cold War territorial takeover by Moscow — Ukraine rose to the top of the Obama administration agenda. Obama essentially outsourced the portfolio to his vice president — a task, by most accounts, Biden enthusiastically embraced.

“Ukraine was the top, or one of the top three, foreign policy issues we were concentrating on,” said Mike Carpenter, Biden’s foreign policy and defense policy advisor at the time. “He was front and center.”

On one trip, in February 2014, Biden watched anti-government protesters fill the streets of Kyiv in what became known as the Maidan revolution. Within months, the pro-Russian government was ousted and replaced with pro-Western leaders.

Former aides described Biden’s work after that as a kind of “marriage counseling,” getting the newly elected president, Petro Poroshenko, to cooperate with the prime minister, Arseniy Yatsenyuk, a political rival.

Known for his bluntness, Biden warned them that Ukraine could not be seen as a “basket case” or allies would lose patience. “And then you’d be screwed and left at the mercy of Moscow,” a former aide recalled Biden telling the men.

Ukrainians say Biden’s most important contribution was showing that Washington would support Ukraine as it struggled to remain independent of Russia.

“Vice President Biden stood up strongly for Ukraine, and many of my fellow Ukrainians were very grateful,” said Danylo Lubkivsky, a former deputy foreign minister. “The important thing is that the support that Biden represented was bipartisan.”

Few here doubt that Hunter Biden was offered a lucrative position on the board of Burisma Holdings, a natural gas company controlled by a controversial businessman, because of his father’s prominence.

It’s common in Eastern Europe, and much of the world, to hire a celebrity or relative of a senior official to burnish a company’s image, and to help shield it from official or unofficial shakedowns.

But the optics gave ammunition to Trump and his lawyer, Rudolph Giuliani.  They have falsely claimed that Biden pressed Poroshenko’s government to sack its top prosecutor, Viktor Shokin, to prevent him from investigating Burisma.

Current and former U.S. and Ukrainian officials say Burisma had been under scrutiny for alleged improper acquisition of licenses, a probe unrelated to Hunter Biden’s position on the board.   The investigation went dormant, they said,  before  Biden and a group of U.S. allies pushed for Shokin’s ouster in 2015, arguing he was turning a blind eye to corruption.

In December 2015, Biden gave an impassioned address to the Rada, the parliament, to condemn the scourge of corruption and demand reform of the prosecutor general’s office.

“The parliament exploded in applause,” Boryslav Bereza, who was present, recalled this week. “Even those who were corrupt as hell, they were electrified and sincere in their applause.”

Biden “was like the big brother coming to tell the little brother what to do — a recommendation that you can’t ignore,” Bereza said.

The vice president had planned to announce $1 billion in U.S. loan guarantees for Ukraine. But en route to Kyiv on Air Force Two, Biden changed his mind.

Poroshenko was dragging his feet building the institutions needed to take on corruption, aides said. Biden and his staff rewrote the speech, removing the loan guarantees.

In Kyiv, Biden privately informed Poroshenko of the decision and the demand: Fire Shokin, or you lose the loan guarantees.

“Poroshenko was clearly disappointed,” said Colin Kahl, Biden’s national security advisor at the time.

In an interview, Poroshenko recalled “heated” but cordial discussions with Biden.

He said the loan guarantees were contingent on meeting International Monetary Fund benchmarks, including replacing the prosecutor general. Biden was not alone in his demands, Poroshenko said.

“Pressure on us came from everywhere: the activists, political forces, embassies, international organizations,” he said, adding that the names of Hunter Biden and Burisma never came up.

In the eight days before Shokin was fired in March 2016, Biden phoned Poroshenko four times to reiterate the U.S. position, former aides said. The Ukrainian leader finally relented, and Shokin was sacked.

Western diplomats saw Shokin, who still sometimes wore his old Soviet-style uniform, as a relic of a stultified system and a “pay-to-play” prosecutor. Shokin, who declined to be interviewed for this story, blames his ouster on an illegal foreign intervention in Ukraine’s domestic affairs.

“My actions as General Prosecutor did not suit the interests of the U.S. Vice President Biden and the persons connected to him,” Shokin said in an affidavit filed Sept. 4 in an Austrian court on a separate case. He said Biden was motivated by his son’s connection to Burisma but offered no evidence.

Ukrainian officials say the inquiry into alleged improprieties at Burisma has never been completely closed.

“The Burisma case is still there; it’s up and down,” a senior Ukrainian official said, speaking on condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive matters. “But  the Burisma case and a Hunter Biden case are totally different things, and the latter simply does not exist. 

https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2019-10-05/bidens-visits-to-ukraine-under-scrutiny

 
 
 
 
Sean Treacy
6.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @6    one month ago

Why did Burisma hire Hunter Biden?

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
6.1.2  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  Sean Treacy @6.1    one month ago
Why did Burisma hire Hunter Biden?

In 2006, George W. appointed Hunter to a five-year term on the board of Amtrak. He served as the board's Vice Chairman, but resigned both positions in 2009, after his father became V.P.

Also in 2009, Hunter Biden was hired by the law firm Boies Schiller Flexner LLP.  Burisma retained BSF to handle a few US business dealings, and Hunter was one of the lawyers assigned to the account.       

So, the answer to your question is name recognition and board experience.

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Sean Treacy
6.1.3  Sean Treacy  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @6.1.2    one month ago

Sure. "Name recognition."  In that his name could be brandished around to intimidate opponents of Burisma and make it seem that Burisma had the VP of the United States behind it. Burisma bought the name.

Board experience? Sure A political appointment to an  American government owned business that he wasn't qualified for somehow  qualified Biden  for  a board position on a billion dollar Ukranian Energy Corporation? Good lord, how naive.

It's a perfectly normal career path to get kicked out of the Navy for drug use and immediately fall into a no show job paying millions of dollars that one lacks any practical experience for. Billion dollar corporations love putting drug users on the board of directors.

Oh, and since Biden did legal work for Boies, he was legally ineligible to act as an outside board member for Burisma.  Not that legality matters in theses sort of things.

Please don't tell me you think Biden would have been hired by Burisma if his dad wasn't overseeing Ukranian policy for the Obama administration. 

 
 
 
MrFrost
6.1.4  MrFrost  replied to  Sean Treacy @6.1    one month ago

Why did Burisma hire Hunter Biden?

Why did trump hire Rudy Colludy's son to work in the WH, making 95k a year, (taxpayer money), to literally do nothing at all? 

Also, makes no difference why Hunter was hired. If it's illegal for children of politicians to make money overseas, trumps kids belong in prison. 

Also, so what if Hunter had no experience, Trump has no experience at all yet 60 million people voted for that bottom feeding fucker. 

 
 
 
MrFrost
6.1.5  MrFrost  replied to  Sean Treacy @6.1.3    one month ago
Sure. "Name recognition."  In that his name could be brandished around to intimidate opponents of Burisma and make it seem that Burisma had the VP of the United States behind it. Burisma bought the name.

Do you seriously think that trumps kids aren't making a dime because their dad is the POTUS? Are you ok with it? Ivanka has gotten no bid contracts for voting machines and patents in Saudi Arabia. Don Jr. was selling US Visas in China for 500k a pop right after trump took office, but that's ok? Please...just stop...

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
6.1.6  Sean Treacy  replied to  MrFrost @6.1.4    one month ago
If it's illegal for children of politicians to make money overseas, trumps kids belong in prison. 

what foreign corporation hired a Trump kid? 

so what if Hunter had no experience

Do you think you will ever criticize a Democrat? You'd be the guy saying so what if generic democrat shot someone on 5th Ave...

has no experience at all yet 60 million people voted for that bottom feeding fucker. 

He was elected. You understand the difference?

 
 
 
MrFrost
6.1.7  MrFrost  replied to  Sean Treacy @6.1.6    one month ago
what foreign corporation hired a Trump kid? 

That's not at all what I said. 

Do you think you will ever criticize a Democrat? You'd be the guy saying so what if generic democrat shot someone on 5th Ave...

Deflection. Also, I would be asking for a Dem president be removed it he/she had done a 10th of the bullshit trump has pulled. 

He was elected. You understand the difference?

Yes, that's what I said. Again, you are deflecting. 

Trump had no experience at all, yet was elected. So why is Hunter having no experience a problem? Not like he was running for president. 

 
 
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