A conservative group with a history of climate change denial has hired a German YouTuber to challenge Greta Thunberg's 'climate crisis'

  
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By:   Paulina Cachero

A conservative group with a history of climate change denial has hired a German YouTuber to challenge Greta Thunberg's 'climate crisis'
"I have good news for you. The world is not ending because of climate change," Seibt says in a YouTube video for the Heartland Institute. "People are being force-fed a very dystopian agenda of climate alarmism that tells us that we as humans are destroying the planet and that we, the young people especially, have no future."

Global warming is a hoax.  Man made climate change is a fraud.  They who advocate these ideas manipulate science and use censorship to suppress other views.  The Competitive Enterprise Institute and The Heartland Institute are correct on individual liberty, competition, capitalism, and environmental matters.  


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Naomi Seibt, a German YouTuber, has been hired by a conservative think tank to help spread climate denialism.

  • The Heartland Institute, a conservative think tank with ties to the Trump administration, has a history of promoting climate denialism. 

  • Most recently, the organization has enlisted the help of a 19-year-old German YouTuber named Naomi Seibt and framed her as a challenger to climate activist Greta Thunberg. 

  • Although Seibt detested her "anti-Greta" label, she claims that Thunberg and other youth climate activists are spreading views that are not based on science. 

Nineteen-year-old German YouTube Naomi Seibt says she, too, once believed the world was in the midst of a global crisis and rallied behind environmentalist policies and the uprising of youth climate activism — but not anymore.

Seibt now finds herself on the warring side of Greta Thunberg's climate justice movement, working for a conservative American think tank with ties to the Trump administration to combat what she claims is "climate alarmism." 

"I have good news for you. The world is not ending because of  climate change ," Seibt says in a YouTube video for the Heartland Institute. "People are being force-fed a very dystopian agenda of climate alarmism that tells us that we as humans are destroying the planet and that we, the young people especially, have no future." 

For decades, the Heartland Institute has promoted what it calls "climate realism" and spreading doubts about the overwhelming science supporting human's role in causing climate change. The organization cited "science backing climate realism" from the Nongovernmental International Panel on Climate Change, a riff on the UN's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change which they sponsor themselves. 

One of its senior fellows, William Happer, objected to a US intelligence official's finding that climate impacts could be "possibly catastrophic" when serving on the White House National Security Council, the  Washington Post reported. 

The conservative think tank has recently come under scrutiny for its shadowy funding stream through Donors Trust, an organization that has allowed wealthy contributors to donate millions of dollars to conservative causes anonymously. Mother Jones referred to the organization as the " dark-money ATM of the conservative movement.

recent investigation  by German journalists believed they unveiled a plot by the Heartland Institute to utilize Seibt to undermine climate protection measures in Germany — but James Taylor, the director of the Arthur B. Robinson Center for Climate and Environmental Policy at the Heartland Institute, claims the organization has nothing to hide. 

"We're always looking to advance individual freedom and better human health and welfare in the United States and around the world," Taylor told Insider. "Even for folks who think they need to undercover to get that information for me. I'll be happy to have that interview today."

In a new effort, the Heartland Institute has enlisted the help of a YouTube influencer to continue to "spread the truth" about climate change. The organization has pitted Seibt against the face of the climate justice movement: Swedish activist  Greta Thunberg.

"Greta Thunberg took the world by storm with her doomsday climate predictions. Naomi Seibt, a rising star, advocates for proper scientific discourse over climate change," read a caption on a YouTube video featuring Seibt and Thunberg. "Who seems like the more reasonable advocate to you?"

Naomi Seibt, the self-proclaimed "climate realist"


Seibt's crusade against "climate alarmism" online began in 2019 after Thunberg's activism won her a Nobel Peace Prize nomination and Time Magazine's "Person of the Year" Award, the youngest person to earn the title. In addition to challenging what she calls the "mainstream" climate narrative, Seibt also raised questions about feminism and immigration on her channel that echoed far-right views. 

Her views caught the attention of a conservative German think tank with ties to the nationalist Alternative for Germany, and later Taylor.

Taylor saw Seibt speak at a conference in Germany and believed she could help further Heartland's agenda of advocating for "free markets" and "individual liberties." 

"Here we have a 19-year-old young lady with tremendous poise tremendous intelligence," Taylor told Insider of its decision to hire Seibt as a digital media specialist. "Essentially, we are helping to provide resources so that she can continue to spread the message advocating individual freedom, which includes economic freedom, as well as climate realism."

Seibt, a former "climate alarmist" herself, claimed her skepticism began with Thunberg's own Fridays for Future movement. While she disagrees with Thunberg, she emphasizes that she is not the "anti-Greta."

"I'm not this evil opposite of Greta — she might be a really nice girl and I would love to talk to her someday," she told Insider.

However, Seibt claimed Thunberg and other youth climate justice activists espouse views that are not based on science.

"The main issues that I have with the climate change is the narrative. There's a lot of fear-mongering going on. Climate change is not something we're allowed to question anymore," Seibt said. 

She said her own research suggests that the role of manmade greenhouse gas emissions in destroying the planet has been inflated by the UN's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. The international body is made up of world-renowned scientists who have reached a consensus on the detrimental effects of human greenhouse gases and contribute to reports on how to mitigate climate change.

"I do not believe that the climate is changing because of manmade CO2 emissions. And if it was, I don't believe that would have such a detrimental effect," Seibt told Insider, who did not cite where her own research derived from. 

While the 19-year-old believes that the climate is, in fact, changing, she protested the hysteria around the impending climate crisis.  Seibt claimed that the widespread fears about the effects of climate change have not only caused "eco-depression," but has effectively silenced any dissent about the climate crisis.

"To be a scientific skeptic has nothing to be with an authoritarian radical," Seibt, who identified as Libertarian, said. 
"We are not allowed to speak up — people are losing their job in the wake of this supposed 'climate crisis.'"

With the Heartland Institute, she said she hoped to promote climate realism, which claimed is " pro-human ."  

"This mainstream narrative of fear-mongering and climate alarmism is holding us hostage in our own brains," Seibt said in a video for Heartland. "Don't let an agenda that is trying to depict you as an energy-sucking leech on the planet get into your brain and take away all of your passionate spirit."


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Donald J. Trump Fan #1
1.1  seeder  Donald J. Trump Fan #1  replied to  Donald J. Trump Fan #1 @1    one month ago

I can’t wait to see the new Heartland Institute spokesperson speak this week in America at CPAC.  She is so right on.  

 
 
 
evilgenius
2  evilgenius    one month ago

Climate change denialists lost the fight against climate change when Larry Fink wrote his letter earlier this year to CEOs . Businesses will lead the charge until government has no choice but to follow. Before the letter was even released Microsoft (Mr Fink owns 5% of Microsoft) came out with their plan starting a chain reaction of big businesses that rewrote their business plans and opened their wallets. Not all the plans announced will actually do anything but several of them are significant. The tide turned. Now it's about dollars and business.

 
 
 
r.t..b...
2.1  r.t..b...  replied to  evilgenius @2    one month ago
Climate change denialists

   and from the seed..."spreading doubts about the overwhelming science..."

What part of overwhelming science needs explained? So you are correct in stating it's all about the money...when corporations invest in the R&D of alternative sources, and the day it becomes economically feasible will be the day we will witness significant change. Hopefully the clock will not have already run out.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
2.1.1  Greg Jones  replied to  r.t..b... @2.1    one month ago
the day it becomes economically feasible

And when will that be?  Alternative energy sources will never be able to supply all the demand for energy and power going forward in an economical way.

Coal, oil, and NG will continue to be the products used for the foreseeable future. Anyone who thinks otherwise are the real deniers.

 
 
 
Donald J. Trump Fan #1
2.2  seeder  Donald J. Trump Fan #1  replied to  evilgenius @2    one month ago

 
 
 
WallyW
2.3  WallyW  replied to  evilgenius @2    one month ago

The climate change cult, desperately leading a campaign based on hysterical fear mongering, lies, and misinformation, has no practical solution to this problem.

 
 
 
r.t..b...
2.3.1  r.t..b...  replied to  WallyW @2.3    one month ago
a campaign based on hysterical fear mongering, lies, and misinformation, has no practical solution to this problem. [emphasis added]

If there is an acknowledged problem, the overwhelming science is somehow rendered moot? The hysteria resides in the denier camp, for what logical reason is as incomprehensible as their continued obfuscation of fact.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
2.3.2  Greg Jones  replied to  r.t..b... @2.3.1    one month ago

Give us some examples of the "overwhelming" science. Yes there has been some warming the last couple hundred years, but are we supposed to be overwhelmed by predictions created by some computer models that are fed data that we have no way of knowing is accurate and not manipulated, that supposedly show what will happen decades into the future? Why has this one area of science become such an emotional charged issue and politicized with divisive name calling.. If the public is not taking this "coming catastrophe" seriously, it is not their fault. Y'all missed your last best chance to educate and inform.

 
 
 
Donald J. Trump Fan #1
2.3.3  seeder  Donald J. Trump Fan #1  replied to  WallyW @2.3    one month ago

On that we are in complete agreement 

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
2.3.4  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Greg Jones @2.3.2    one month ago
Why has this one area of science become such an emotional charged issue and politicized with divisive name calling.

Probably due to the fact that the "affects" of climate change of noticeable significance won't be seen for years and it's easy to pontificate with "it's going to" and should it happen as the alarmists are telling us it will, very few if any of us here, today, will see the resultant supposed doom and gloom they are projecting so, what they are doing, is getting their agenda in place and start the flow of $$$ while we are still here and can support said agenda. "How dare they" ..............................................

 
 
 
Donald J. Trump Fan #1
2.3.5  seeder  Donald J. Trump Fan #1  replied to  Greg Jones @2.3.2    one month ago

They won’t debate.  They will simply label us, call us names, and censor our sources.   It is good we have end run media to get the message past the UN blockade and that of the msm. 

 
 
 
katrix
2.3.6  katrix  replied to  Donald J. Trump Fan #1 @2.3.5    one month ago
and censor our sources.  

If you'd stop reading sources that do nothing but lie, you wouldn't have to worry about that.

You have your fake news to make sure your conspiracy theories and paranoia remain strong, so there's no actual threat of rationality and facts being imposed on you. The "UN blockade" - Jesus H. Christ.

 
 
 
katrix
2.3.7  katrix  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @2.3.4    one month ago
very few if any of us here, today, will see the resultant supposed doom and gloom

There's clearly a huge difference between people who give a shit about those who come after us, and those who selfishly care only about themselves.

It won't affect me, so fuck everyone else? What a disgusting attitude.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
2.3.8  XDm9mm  replied to  r.t..b... @2.3.1    one month ago
If there is an acknowledged problem, the overwhelming science is somehow rendered moot?

Yes, there is an acknowledged problem.  The planet we inhabit is ONCE AGAIN going through a climatic change.  As noted "once again", as it has happened before and will always happen.

So, tell us all what the "overwhelming science" is that explains what caused the previous changes (please note plural use of the term) when we did not even exist to cause the "problem"?   

I would suggest we be more concerned with learning and developing ways to COPE with the impending changes rather than try to find ways to stop the unstoppable.

 
 
 
Ender
2.3.9  Ender  replied to  XDm9mm @2.3.8    one month ago

Cutting down rainforest has an impact. Paving over land with concrete and asphalt has an impact. Pollution has an impact.

I will even go so far to say putting solar farms in the desert has an impact on the surrounding area.

I would say completely altering the environment can change the climate.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
2.3.10  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  katrix @2.3.7    one month ago
It won't affect me, so fuck everyone else? What a disgusting attitude.

That is NOT what I am saying at all. FFS. If true, we will never know. If bullshit, we will never know. While I am a proponent of an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure, you cannot deny that this is yet another "just throw money at it" type "solution" like always. And if it is shown to be nothing, there would be a lot of scientists out of work as the research and opinion writing would be moot. 

 
 
 
katrix
2.3.11  katrix  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @2.3.10    one month ago
And if it is shown to be nothing, there would be a lot of scientists out of work as the research and opinion writing would be moot. 

It's already been shown not to be "nothing." I realize that Fox probably doesn't bother showing any of the proven impacts we're seeing, but they exist.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
2.3.12  XDm9mm  replied to  Ender @2.3.9    one month ago
I would say completely altering the environment can change the climate.

Yet you did NOT//NOT indicate what caused the previous changes before we existed.

Thanks for playing and providing nothing of substance.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
2.3.13  XDm9mm  replied to  katrix @2.3.11    one month ago
It's already been shown not to be "nothing."

We ALL acknowledge that the climate IS changing.  However, what many question is what OUR impact is.  It's not like it never happened before when we didn't exist.   Of course, "scientists" totally dependent on GRANT MONEY to further investigate the claims they themselves are making has nothing to do with the claims they make, right?   Hell, even the most ardent climate change alarmist has to at least acknowledge that there is a degree of self interest in scientists being paid to prove what they themselves claim to be true.

I realize that Fox probably doesn't bother showing any of the proven impacts we're seeing, but they exist.

Yes they exist.  And EXACLTY how do you or anyone propose we stop the unstoppable?   When you can answer that, tell us how to stop the moon from orbiting the planet earth, the planet earth from orbiting the sun, and how we can cure the common cold.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
2.3.14  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  XDm9mm @2.3.13    one month ago
Yes they exist.  And EXACLTY how do you or anyone propose we stop the unstoppable? 

Two truths can exist at the same time. It might be unstoppable but we also might be making things worse. Why not investigate and do what we can to make sure that we are not part of the problem?

 
 
 
XDm9mm
2.3.15  XDm9mm  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.3.14    one month ago
Why not investigate and do what we can to make sure that we are not part of the problem?

There's no question about it.  We ARE part of the problem.  Of course having seven plus billion and growing at an almost exponential rate is quite the problem.   

But while we can be a cleaner species, there's nothing we can do to stop the climate from changing.

I've always said our time and efforts would be much better spent trying to develop ways to cope with what will be coming and at least give some of our progeny a fighting chance at species survival as opposed to a total life exterminating event.

 
 
 
katrix
2.3.16  katrix  replied to  XDm9mm @2.3.13    one month ago
We ALL acknowledge that the climate IS changing

Unfortunately, there are still plenty of idiots screeching that climate change is a hoax. They call anything a hoax if they don't want to believe it's true.

 
 
 
katrix
2.3.17  katrix  replied to  XDm9mm @2.3.13    one month ago
Hell, even the most ardent climate change alarmist has to at least acknowledge that there is a degree of self interest in scientists being paid to prove what they themselves claim to be true.

That is not how the scientific method works. That's how things like religion work, but not science.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
2.3.18  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.3.14    one month ago
Why not investigate and do what we can to make sure that we are not part of the problem?

Because that would take many having to swallow their pride, admit they were wrong, and then do the work to change. And they've been fed a steady diet of defeatism by religion since they were old enough to remember, where mankind is weak and cannot fix our own problems. Instead, we have to rely on a deity to save us from ourselves. So it's easier for them to just sit on their hands and do nothing while waiting for their all powerful God to come and fix it than to put in the work needed to change and avoid a manmade climate apocalypse. In fact, in many of their minds, they're excited to think they are living in what they perceive as the end times, they welcome an apocalypse for they have been indoctrinated to believe that's when they get saved and their enemies and those they hate and despise are all killed. They claim it's Gods will, on earth, as it is in heaven, but the reality is they pray for their will to be done, their enemies to be killed, their family to be saved. Trying to make changes to lessen the effects of AGW would, to them, be moving them further from their hoped for future Armageddon.

 
 
 
Ender
2.3.19  Ender  replied to  XDm9mm @2.3.12    one month ago

So do you think an asteroid impact could cause climate change?

Also funny that you do not deny what I said, just basically dismiss it.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
2.3.20  XDm9mm  replied to  katrix @2.3.16    one month ago
Unfortunately, there are still plenty of idiots screeching that climate change is a hoax.

I believe they're actually questioning the causes as opposed to the actual change. Like myself for example.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
2.3.21  XDm9mm  replied to  katrix @2.3.17    one month ago
That is not how the scientific method works. That's how things like religion work, but not science.

So you're claiming that a "scientist" dependent on financial grants to live does not have a personal bias to prove his/her THEORY using OPM (other peoples money)?

 
 
 
katrix
2.3.22  katrix  replied to  XDm9mm @2.3.20    one month ago

No, people like you do that - but these people outright claim it's a hoax. That we can't prove the earth is warming. A couple of them are right here on NT.

 
 
 
evilgenius
2.3.23  evilgenius  replied to  WallyW @2.3    one month ago
The climate change cult,

So you are saying one of the largest investers in the world all of a sudden joined "the cult?" And then Microsoft, Amazon, American Airlines and several other huge companies just followed along 'cuz? Who's the cult now?

 
 
 
XDm9mm
2.3.24  XDm9mm  replied to  Ender @2.3.19    one month ago
So do you think an asteroid impact could cause climate change?

Of course it can.  As could a massive volcanic eruption or any number of other NON MAN MADE incidents.

But it's interesting that you only now speak of ONE possibility.

I've never denied we don't contribute, but the vast majority of climate alarmists invariably ignore that the climate HAS changed before we existed and never seem to consider that the prior changes have been CYCLICAL and generally happen within a "X" thousand year time cycle.

 
 
 
katrix
2.3.25  katrix  replied to  XDm9mm @2.3.21    one month ago
So you're claiming that a "scientist" dependent on financial grants to live does not have a personal bias to prove his/her THEORY using OPM (other peoples money)?

Believe it or not, most scientists are trying to find where the evidence leads - not trying to skew what they find to prove an answer they already had. Sure, it happens, but it's not how science generally works, and peer review helps ensure that it doesn't work.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
2.3.26  XDm9mm  replied to  katrix @2.3.22    one month ago
No, people like you do that - but these people outright claim it's a hoax.

Is there a point to be made?  Some people believe in God, some do not.   There are many things in life that people will disagree on.

"A couple of them are right here on NT."

 
 
 
XDm9mm
2.3.27  XDm9mm  replied to  katrix @2.3.25    one month ago
Believe it or not, most scientists are trying to find where the evidence leads - not trying to skew what they find to prove an answer they already had. Sure, it happens, but it's not how science generally works, and peer review helps ensure that it doesn't work.

Ok Kat.....   Let me know where to send the deeds to the bridges and tunnels in NY.  I'm running a flash sale since we'll all be dead in twelve years anyway and want to have a blast while I can!!

 
 
 
Ender
2.3.28  Ender  replied to  XDm9mm @2.3.24    one month ago

My point with that was it does not all rely on a cyclical time table.

Many things can cause change, like a nuclear winter and us, how we treat and poison the environment.

 
 
 
katrix
2.3.29  katrix  replied to  XDm9mm @2.3.26    one month ago
I believe they're actually questioning the causes as opposed to the actual change.

You said this. That was the point I was making - that the nutters refuse to even believe it's happening.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
2.3.30  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  WallyW @2.3    one month ago
The climate change cult

Cult: noun - a relatively small group of people having religious beliefs or practices regarded by others as strange or sinister

The vast majority in the US and the world believe in AGW, so they certainly wouldn't be considered a cult from that perspective.

"The survey, conducted last November and December among 1,114 American adults, showed the most dramatic shifts in public sentiment about global warming since Yale and George Mason began sampling opinion on the topic more than a decade ago. It found that 73 percent of Americans now believe global warming is happening , an increase of 10 percentage points from March 2015. And more than six in 10 now accept the scientific consensus that humans are causing the warming that is altering weather and ecosystems."

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/more-americans-believe-global-warming-they-won-t-pay-much-n962001

And their beliefs are based on science, not the pseudoscience coming from religious believers trying to force the science to fit their beliefs. So again, doesn't fit the definition of a cult.

And unless you're a complete moron or some dipshit conspiracy theorist, you can't really believe that believers in the science are "strange or sinister". So again, not a cult.

Now with deniers, they are a small group (check) many use religion to "inform" their beliefs on AGW (check) and their belief that humans cannot save ourselves and thus we must fall on their deity for salvation, which, while not necessarily "strange", it's certainly sinister for all those they believe their God will wipe off the face of the earth when he "saves" them. So there is no doubt that the true group far more fitting for the label "cult" would be those who continue to be in denial about AGW.

 
 
 
cjcold
2.3.31  cjcold  replied to  XDm9mm @2.3.12    one month ago

Of course we know what caused previous climate changes throughout time.

Milankovitch orbital cycles trigger the release of sequestered CO2 which then does all of the heavy lifting of global warming. It's always been about the CO2.

This time around, however, The Milankovitch cycle should be causing the Earth to cool slightly but anthropogenic greenhouse gasses are blowing right through the comparatively weaker orbital effects.  

Only fossil fuel industry paid science deniers, such as the Heartland Institute still deny the reality of this man-made phenomenon. 

 
 
 
XDm9mm
2.3.32  XDm9mm  replied to  Ender @2.3.28    one month ago
My point with that was it does not all rely on a cyclical time table.

Historically, they have been cyclical.  And we're nearing the end point of a cycle now actually.

Here's a quick read.   It's not some anti-climate change radical, but the US Government that provides the info:

I would suggest everyone read not only this short piece, but the troves of additional material they provide in the links and the links within those links, and the...  well, you get the idea. 

https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/abrupt-climate-change/Glacial-Interglacial%20Cycles

 
 
 
XDm9mm
2.3.33  XDm9mm  replied to  cjcold @2.3.31    one month ago
This time around, however, The Milankovitch cycle should be causing the Earth to cool slightly but anthropogenic greenhouse gasses are blowing right through the comparatively weaker orbital effects.  

This time, there are SEVEN PLUS BILLION PEOPLE crawling all over this space rock.   But who's counting, right?

 
 
 
Ender
2.3.34  Ender  replied to  XDm9mm @2.3.32    one month ago
C limate changes in the deep past of Earth provides strong evidence that we
​are in a committed global warming planetary emergency.

The WMO (2017) and latest research  April 2019  (Mid-Pleistocene transition in glacial cycles, 2019 W. Williet  confirms that atmospheric CO2 is the
highest in at least 3-5 million years.

The same research confirms that over this time period surface temperatures have never reached 2C higher than the pre-industrial degree.

2009 research  had found that atmospheric CO2 could be the highest in 15 million years. ​​
Scientists can ​tell the state of past climates by examining ice cores, animal  ​and plant fossils, preserved pollen  and tree rings. 

​The deepest ice core from Antarctica goes back 800,000 years
​​Global temperatures and atmospheric CO2 concentrations have been much higher in the deep past.

​However the ice cores show  that today's atmospheric CO2 methane is far higher than any time in the past 800,0000 years. The rate of global warming today is  extremely high.

​Atmospheric CO2 (411 ppm April 2019) is 37% higher than its 800,000 year limit (300 ppm).

​Atmospheric methane (1800 ppb) is 160% or over two and a half times higher   that its pre-industrial level(722 ppb).  

Furthermore the rate of increase ​in atmospheric CO2  is ​unprecedented (IPCC and WMO).
 
 
 
WallyW
2.3.35  WallyW  replied to  katrix @2.3.11    one month ago

It's already been shown not to be "nothing." I realize that Fox probably doesn't bother showing any of the proven impacts we're seeing, but they exist.

You got links showing some proven impacts

 
 
 
Donald J. Trump Fan #1
2.3.36  seeder  Donald J. Trump Fan #1  replied to  katrix @2.3.6    one month ago

She was prevented from going inside the UN. 

 
 
 
katrix
2.3.37  katrix  replied to  WallyW @2.3.35    one month ago
You got links showing some proven impacts

I'm tired of you constantly asking other people to do your research for you. If you want facts, start reading up on science and stop focusing only on fake news.

If you choose to be willfully ignorant, that's on you. It's not my responsibility to fix.

 
 
 
cjcold
2.3.38  cjcold  replied to  Donald J. Trump Fan #1 @2.3.36    one month ago

Good! There are more than enough Heartland Institute funded liars already in the U.N. as it is. 

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
2.3.39  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  katrix @2.3.6    one month ago
If you'd stop reading sources that do nothing but lie,

Name one of these sources that don't twist the story to fit their narrative.  Just one.

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
2.3.40  Freedom Warrior  replied to  katrix @2.3.37    one month ago

I did the research and that’s why I would never trust an absolutist like you

 
 
 
Kavika
2.4  Kavika   replied to  evilgenius @2    one month ago
Chase’s    new policy    rules out financing oil drilling in the Arctic, as well as new thermal coal mines and coal-fired power projects worldwide. Monday’s announcement follows the release of a    similar policy    update by Goldman Sachs, as well as more than a    dozen    global banks. 
 
 
 
Greg Jones
2.4.1  Greg Jones  replied to  Kavika @2.4    one month ago

Well, there ya have it. What's next, new and improved solar cells? Super efficient wind mills? Wave action? Worldwide geothermal? Nationwide hydropower brought by hundreds of new dams? Lots of new nuclear plants? What about hydrogen....sea water. Tell us what to expect, you have all the answers.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
2.4.2  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Greg Jones @2.4.1    one month ago
What's next, new and improved solar cells?

New, more efficient solar cells are being developed daily.

Super efficient wind mills?

The wind turbines are already quite efficient, but yes, they'll increase their number and continue to make them more efficient.

Wave action?

Why not? Tidal energy systems could be a reliable untapped renewable resource.

Worldwide geothermal?

In the places it works, of course, tap that renewable energy.

Nationwide hydropower brought by hundreds of new dams?

In most places, dams do more damage to our natural resources and while some are good as they play duel roles in power and runoff/snowmelt/water control, there is a limit to the number of damas that can realistically be built.

Lots of new nuclear plants?

As the technology improves, eventually we could have much smaller and much safer nuclear power plants.

Tell us what to expect, you have all the answers.

You seem to be doing pretty well coming up with realistic renewable energy sources, it would seem you don't need anyone telling you what to expect. It seems you just need to be convinced the investment is worth it.

 
 
 
evilgenius
2.4.3  evilgenius  replied to  Greg Jones @2.4.1    one month ago
...you have all the answers.

I'm pretty sure that there will be many many answers by the top minds in R&D that money can buy now that they are committing to change.

 
 
 
Kavika
2.4.5  Kavika   replied to  Greg Jones @2.4.1    one month ago
Tell us what to expect, you have all the answers.

I posted what Chase and a dozen other banks have done. If you don't like it complain to them. They probably have a far greater knowledge of climate change than you do...

Cheers

 
 
 
katrix
2.4.6  katrix  replied to  Kavika @2.4.5    one month ago
They probably have a far greater knowledge of climate change than you do...

As does our DoD, who has identified climate change as a security threat to our country.

 
 
 
Donald J. Trump Fan #1
2.4.7  seeder  Donald J. Trump Fan #1  replied to  Kavika @2.4.5    one month ago

Time to stop investing in those banks..

 
 
 
Kavika
2.4.8  Kavika   replied to  Donald J. Trump Fan #1 @2.4.7    one month ago
Time to stop investing in those banks..

As far as I know, there is nothing stopping you from that. 

Please carry on, I'm sure that the banks will be heartbroken over your stance./s

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
2.4.9  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Kavika @2.4.8    one month ago
As far as I know, there is nothing stopping you from that. 

Other than perhaps an empty wallet...

I have several relatives who've claimed they'll boycott liberal businesses (one was red in the face angry with Starbucks) but when I asked them when the last time was that they actually used said business they have a hard time recalling. Their lack of patronage has little to do with the political stance of the business, it had everything with not being willing to pay $5 for a coffee so regardless of their fantasy boycott the business isn't losing any actual money.

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
2.5  Freedom Warrior  replied to  evilgenius @2    one month ago

It was always the case that if anybody had any really good ideas they would be adopted and things would move in a direction by necessity. At this point something akin to a green new deal has only in reality convinced us that the folks supporting radical changes in our approach to the environment are experiencing a massive brain fart. Or is that massive cow farts?

 
 
 
Ozzwald
3  Ozzwald    one month ago
Global warming is a hoax.  Man made climate change is a fraud.

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Donald J. Trump Fan #1
3.1  seeder  Donald J. Trump Fan #1  replied to  Ozzwald @3    one month ago

 
 
 
cjcold
3.1.1  cjcold  replied to  Donald J. Trump Fan #1 @3.1    one month ago

Yet another paid Heartland Institute science denier. HI is paid to stoop this low (but you already knew that).

She is an obvious lying shill created to counter Greta Thunberg's truth.

The fact that she uses the term "climate alarmist" (and that she is speaking at the Heartland Institute) shows she knows where her Gucci handbag and Bottega heels are coming from.

This is an embarrassingly huge fail of science denying tactics by the Heartless Institute.

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
3.2  Freedom Warrior  replied to  Ozzwald @3    one month ago

Must be hiding his head in shame after those latest climate models failed  so miserably.

 
 
 
Kavika
 
 
Greg Jones
4.1  Greg Jones  replied to  Kavika @4    one month ago

The specifics of the Earth Fund – from tax implications to potential impact – remain unclear. 

 
 
 
Kavika
4.1.1  Kavika   replied to  Greg Jones @4.1    one month ago
The specifics of the Earth Fund – from tax implications to potential impact – remain unclear. 

So to you, they remain unclear. And exactly what does that have to do with the $10billion in funding to fight climate change?

Of course, you could contact Bezos and ask him about it.

 
 
 
DRHunk
5  DRHunk    one month ago

There is a lot of alarmism, hyperbole, and fanatics spreading garbage when it comes to Climate change in general, but the position that humans are causing the earth to change at a more rapid pace then in the past and at a pace that may eventually be to our own determent should not be in question. We all need to band together to clean up pollution and find cleaner ways to produce energy, its just common sense.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
5.1  XDm9mm  replied to  DRHunk @5    one month ago
We all need to band together to clean up pollution and find cleaner ways to produce energy, its just common sense.

That is a given.  However, we need not destroy our economy and way of life to accomplish that.

I have yet to hear one climate change activist tell me exactly how we will "save the planet" from nature and what nature has done previously when we didn't even yet exist as a species, and will do again when we cease to exist.   What or who caused the previous climate changes this planet has experienced?  

Cleaning up after ourselves should have been taught years ago, but then again we are the disposable generations after all.   We got rid of glass bottles because they weighed too much and were too costly to transport and now we have to deal with wax covered non-recyclable cardboard containers.   We change our clothing styles and toss perfectly good clothes into the trash or donate to those not so concerned about current fashion trends.

Our species is it's own worst enemy.

 
 
 
katrix
5.1.1  katrix  replied to  XDm9mm @5.1    one month ago

I think it's clear that we are contributing to the climate change problem - but it would have happened eventually even without our accelerating it. And another ice age will eventually come, and the continents will all collide to form one supercontinent again ...  humanity's very existence will be threatened over and over before our sun destroys the Earth.

That doesn't mean we shouldn't do what we can to limit the damage and find cleaner sources of energy, of course. Not that there are any perfect forms of energy.

 
 
 
r.t..b...
5.1.2  r.t..b...  replied to  XDm9mm @5.1    one month ago
Our species is it's own worst enemy.

Agreed. And confirmed with the commentary accompanying every seed on every topic. Pro or Con, Red or Blue, Incensed or Ignorant. And all so predictable. 

 
 
 
XDm9mm
5.1.3  XDm9mm  replied to  katrix @5.1.1    one month ago
I think it's clear that we are contributing to the climate change problem

Of course we are.  Hell, there has never been seven billion of us crawling over the surface of this piece of space flotsam before.

There are myriad other problems and issues facing us that should have priority over what we have no control over.   But I'm just one of billions so what do my ideas matter.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
5.1.4  XDm9mm  replied to  r.t..b... @5.1.2    one month ago
Agreed. And confirmed with the commentary accompanying every seed on every topic. Pro or Con, Red or Blue, Incensed or Ignorant. And all so predictable. 

True.  There are those of us who are realists and then there's the rest.

 
 
 
katrix
5.1.5  katrix  replied to  XDm9mm @5.1.3    one month ago
There are myriad other problems and issues facing us that should have priority over what we have no control over.

This isn't something we can just ignore. Our Defense Department has acknowledged climate change as a coming threat to our national security. Just imagine what the forced relocations, the issues with food and water, etc. are going to cause. We can control how we're going to handle that (poorly, if history is any example). 

 
 
 
r.t..b...
5.1.6  r.t..b...  replied to  XDm9mm @5.1.4    one month ago
There are those of us who are realists and then there's the rest.

Forget the 'realist' label as that is totally self-defined...it is tribalism, plain and simple. 

 
 
 
r.t..b...
5.1.7  r.t..b...  replied to  katrix @5.1.5    one month ago
This isn't something we can just ignore.

That is being a realist. 

 
 
 
XDm9mm
5.1.8  XDm9mm  replied to  r.t..b... @5.1.6    one month ago
Forget the 'realist' label as that is totally self-defined...it is tribalism, plain and simple. 

The definition fits just fine thanks.   You might disagree with the realists, but that is your "self-defined" "tribalism", "plain and simple."

 
 
 
r.t..b...
5.1.9  r.t..b...  replied to  XDm9mm @5.1.8    one month ago
The definition fits just fine thanks

"A horse, a horse! My kingdom for a horse!"

Keep riding it 'til dead and continue beating it 'til shred.

 
 
 
cjcold
5.1.10  cjcold  replied to  XDm9mm @5.1    one month ago
Our species is it's own worst enemy.

Only some of us fight for our right to destroy our planet in the name of profit.

Many of us with scientific training are fighting to prevent/slow this inevitability.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
5.1.11  XDm9mm  replied to  cjcold @5.1.10    one month ago
fighting to prevent/slow this inevitability.

FINALLY.    You actually acknowledge that climate change IS FUCKING INEVITABLE.  In other words YOU CAN'T STOP IT.

Hot shit bat man, hell hath frozen over.  A SCIENTIST has ACKNOWLEDGED the TRUTH.

(I can't wait for the "what I meant was,...."  "I didn't mean it that way...."  or any of the other means to walk back the involuntary admission.

 
 
 
WallyW
5.2  WallyW  replied to  DRHunk @5    one month ago

We all need to band together to clean up pollution and find cleaner ways to produce energy, its just common sense.

Who is "we"? The US has cleaned up its air to a greater extent than most other countries.

 

 
 
 
cjcold
5.2.1  cjcold  replied to  WallyW @5.2    one month ago

And Trump is now reversing all environmental regulations simply because Obama was for them. His personal hatred of Obama dooms us all to the ravages of ever increasing pollution in the name of corporate profit.

Instead of healing superfund sites, Trump wants to create more of them.

 
 
 
Larry Hampton
6  Larry Hampton    one month ago

Genesis 2:15

Then the LORD God took the man and put him in the garden of Eden to tend and keep it.

How can one be  a believer in God and not take this seriously? This is one of our primary purpose according to the Bible.

 
 
 
r.t..b...
6.1  r.t..b...  replied to  Larry Hampton @6    one month ago

Stewardship over the gifts we have been given. 

 
 
 
Donald J. Trump Fan #1
6.1.1  seeder  Donald J. Trump Fan #1  replied to  r.t..b... @6.1    one month ago

Most climate change alarmists aren’t about being good stewards.  They are all about control over others lives.  Taking away personal, political, economic freedoms and replacing them with the government and socialism 

 
 
 
Larry Hampton
6.1.2  Larry Hampton  replied to  Donald J. Trump Fan #1 @6.1.1    one month ago

That is a load of crock.

It also still doesn't answer the question about one believing in the God of the Bible, but not taking up the responsibility of tending this great gift bestowed on us. We only have one garden to live in.

 
 
 
r.t..b...
6.1.3  r.t..b...  replied to  Donald J. Trump Fan #1 @6.1.1    one month ago
personal, political, economic

There are instances, and this is one, where the crisis transcends the 'personal, political, economic'.

To limit the ramifications of the scientific data to one, two, or all three of these points is to ignore the core issue...to the point where eventually we will be left unable to address the calamity in any terms, 'personal, political, or economic'.

We have been warned...what we choose to do going forward is to the benefit/detriment of those to follow.

 
 
 
katrix
6.1.4  katrix  replied to  Donald J. Trump Fan #1 @6.1.1    one month ago
Most climate change alarmists aren’t about being good stewards.  They are all about control over others lives.  Taking away personal, political, economic freedoms and replacing them with the government and socialism 

Bullshit. They're trying to save the planet - this may come as a shock to you, but many of us actually give a shit about what will happen to our Earth, the animals who live on it, and the people who come after us. We have these things called ethics and common decency, which may be anathema to Trump supporters.

No science denier is a good steward, that's for sure.

 
 
 
cjcold
6.1.5  cjcold  replied to  Donald J. Trump Fan #1 @6.1.1    one month ago

I never thought of myself as an alarmist. Just an environmental scientist with a few degrees on the wall providing pure data. The data and the empirical evidence of runaway global warming are, however, very alarming.

Only a Heartland Institute employee could deny the obvious.

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
6.1.6  Freedom Warrior  replied to  cjcold @6.1.5    one month ago

Yeah that’s laughable we’ve seen how erroneous all of the climate science models are we see how they have altered the data in order to align their models to horribly flawed predictions. They utilize anti-scientific methods conclusions they Prefer instead of actually implementing  in the scientific method and they don’t behave like anything but a cult and they certainly shun anybody just as we see here that would present an alternative opinion, so he’ll no, definitely not buying the madness of the crowd.

 
 
 
Donald J. Trump Fan #1
6.1.7  seeder  Donald J. Trump Fan #1  replied to  cjcold @6.1.5    one month ago

CPAC starts today so it will be interesting hearing what sheddhas to say on C-SPAN.

 
 
 
MonsterMash
8  MonsterMash    one month ago

In 2006 Al Gore said "unless drastic measures to reduce greenhouse gases are taken within the next 10 years, the world will reach a point of no return."

Here we are in 2020, according to Mr. Gore we've reached the point of no return, we're all doomed so why spend billions of dollars and destroy the economy of the world to fix a problem that can't be fixed?

 
 
 
cjcold
8.1  cjcold  replied to  MonsterMash @8    one month ago

It can possibly be slowed with serious fixes, but we have already screwed the pooch.

Considering the fact that what long-lived greenhouse gasses are already polluting our atmosphere will be doing so for the next 50+ years, and considering the fact that mankind is still harvesting and burning fossil fuels without even thinking that the long term health of the planet might be more important than short term profit, I hold out no hope of any sort of utopia on this planet.

Shit will be going from bad to worse environmentally. Which will lead to things going from bad to worse on the global political front. Environmental refugees are coming to a town near you. 

I'd actually rather cage AGW deniers than the climate refugees escaping the reality.

But since the president claims science itself is a hoax, I guess his supporters should use clubs to destroy their computers and stop seeding Heartland Institute propaganda online.

 
 
 
Donald J. Trump Fan #1
8.1.1  seeder  Donald J. Trump Fan #1  replied to  cjcold @8.1    one month ago

naomi.jpg (Image: YouTube screenshot)

A German teenager being touted as the answer to climate activist Greta Thunberg is set to speak to the annual gathering of conservatives at CPAC this week.

Naomi Seibt, who has been called the “anti-Greta,” is set to take the stage at the  Conservative Political Action Conference , joining dozens of speakers including President Donald Trump and Vice-President Mike Pence.

(Source: Heartland Institute)

The 19-year-old “climate skeptic” from Münster in western Germany has been tapped by the Heartland Institute which presented her at the UN climate conference in Madrid in December. The conservative think tank hired her to campaign on its views pushing back on the alarms over global warming.

In a video titled “Naomi Seibt vs. Greta Thunberg: Whom Should We Trust?” Seibt revealed she is not a fan of the “anti-Greta” moniker.

“The reason I don’t like the term ‘anti-Greta’ is that it suggests I myself am an indoctrinated puppet, I guess, for the other side,” she said, telling Insider that she is “not this evil opposite of Greta — she might be a really nice girl and I would love to talk to her someday.”

The so-called “YouTube influencer” believes that there is some truth to the climate change arguments but that activists like Thunberg are exaggerating the climate crisis and creating a panic.

“My main problem with the climate change narrative is that most people who protest do not actually know the science behind it,” Seibt told the Daily Caller News Foundation. “It’s terrifying young people and ruining relationships.”

“I don’t want to get people to stop believing in man-made climate change, not at all,” she told the Washington Post. “Are man-made CO2 emissions having that much impact on the climate? I think that’s ridiculous to believe.”

“It is important that we keep questioning the narrative that’s out there instead of promoting it,” Seibt said. “These days, climate change science really isn’t a science at all.”

In a YouTube video for the Heartland Institute, the German teen said, “I have good news for you: The world is not ending because of climate change.”

“People are being force-fed a very dystopian agenda of climate alarmism that tells us that we as humans are destroying the planet and that we, the young people especially, have no future,” she said. (Source: Heartland Institute)

“This mainstream narrative of fear-mongering and climate alarmism is holding us hostage in our own brains,” Seibt said in a Heartland video. “Don’t let an agenda that is trying to depict you as an energy-sucking leech on the planet get into your brain and take away all of your passionate spirit.”

Seibt will be facing her largest audience yet in her address at CPAC, being held outside Washington, D.C. The annual conservative gathering will also feature speeches from White House officials, such as Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and counselor to the President, Kellyanne Conway as well as U.S. Ambassador to Germany Richard Grenell who was just named acting director of national intelligence.

A wide array of Republican lawmakers, including Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas, Reps. Matt Gaetz, Jim Jordan, Devin Nunes, Mark Meadows, and Dan Crenshaw as well as Chair of the House Republican Conference Liz Cheney. Media personalities, sports figures and more will also be giving speeches and presentations at the event.   https://www.bizpacreview.com/2020/02/26/anti-greta-teen-activist-to-speak-at-cpac-891438

 
 
 
Split Personality
9  Split Personality    one month ago

I well remember the taste of car and bus exhaust growing up in the Philadelphia area but nothing prepared me for life in Los Angeles. Eyes and lungs burning worse than any day on bases in SC when they flew a black flag to limit activity.

Now many, many decades later, having worked in many old military bases, now designated Super Fund Clean up sites, I am amazed at the number of people I have outlived.

Mainly due to strict emission controls on cars , trucks, coal fired power plants, etc. the USA has done a great job turning the tide regionally, but we are not done.

The whole world needs to relearn the same lesson we already have.

This was China's wake up call, December, 2013

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17 Provinces and 600 million people were directly affected by the accumulation of smog from unbridled

building, industrialization and complete lack of emissions controls in the cars they both built and imported from the USA.

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Just as anthropologists can tell if a bone was pre or post Hiroshima, this pollution too, reaches our shore and our lungs.

Many people get all bent out of shape about abortion rights and many of them simply don't give a damn about what

we are all forced to breathe, especially those newborns.

 
 
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