Clyburn calls for shutting Dem primary down, canceling debates after Biden surge

  
Via:  sparty-on  •  4 weeks ago  •  65 comments

By:   Ronn Blitzer (no relation to Wolf believe it or not)

Clyburn calls for shutting Dem primary down, canceling debates after Biden surge
"I think when the night is over, Joe Biden will be the prohibitive favorite to win the Democratic nomination, and quite frankly, if the night ends the way it has begun, I think it is time for us to shut this primary down,

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House Majority Whip Jim Clyburn, D-S.C., appeared ready to call off the Democratic  primary race Tuesday night and declare former Vice President Joe Biden the victor.

In a conversation with as the results were coming in, Clyburn – who already has endorsed Biden – said that if Biden were to sweep the six contests, it would be best for the party to put an end to the primary race, debates and all.

"I think when the night is over, Joe Biden will be the prohibitive favorite to win the Democratic nomination, and quite frankly, if the night ends the way it has begun, I think it is time for us to shut this primary down, it is time for us to cancel the rest of these debates," Clyburn said, "because you don’t do anything but get yourself in trouble if you continue in this contest when it’s obvious that the numbers will not shake out for you."

Clyburn wasn't the only party elder ready to put an end to the primary brawl.

"This is all about November, these voters want to shut this thing down," famed Democratic strategist James Carville said Tuesday night on MSNBC. "Our mission as a party is to defeat Donald Trump."

But while Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., has not tipped his hand as to his next move, he and his army of supporters have historically bristled at attempts by the party establishment to nudge him to the side. The upcoming debate this Sunday, presuming it goes forward, would mark perhaps his last chance to halt Biden's march to the nomination. With Biden continuing to stumble at times on the campaign trail – with gaffes and repeated clashes with voters, including a profanity-laced argument on primary day in Michiga n – Sanders could hope to trip him up on Sunday.


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Sparty On
1  seeder  Sparty On    4 weeks ago

And the DNC fix continues ......  

 
 
 
XDm9mm
1.1  XDm9mm  replied to  Sparty On @1    4 weeks ago
And the DNC fix continues ......

When has it ever stopped?  The most vile corrupt thugs eating their own.  It actually is very amusing to watch.

 
 
 
Sparty On
1.1.1  seeder  Sparty On  replied to  XDm9mm @1.1    4 weeks ago

One wonders if Bernie is going to take it sitting down again or fight back this time.

 
 
 
Split Personality
1.1.2  Split Personality  replied to  Sparty On @1.1.1    4 weeks ago

Unusual silence from Mr Sanders last night.  Maybe he wasn't pleased with the consolation prize of North Dakota.

 
 
 
Sparty On
1.1.3  seeder  Sparty On  replied to  Split Personality @1.1.2    4 weeks ago

Time will tell.   It will be interesting to watch how he reacts in 2020.

Not sure he will be as easily cowed this time.

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.3  Tessylo  replied to  Sparty On @1    4 weeks ago

What fix?

 
 
 
Sparty On
1.3.1  seeder  Sparty On  replied to  Tessylo @1.3    4 weeks ago

Do try to keep up with current events

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.3.2  Tessylo  replied to  Sparty On @1.3.1    4 weeks ago

No fix.

 
 
 
Sparty On
1.3.3  seeder  Sparty On  replied to  Tessylo @1.3.2    4 weeks ago

Yes fix

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.3.4  Tessylo  replied to  Sparty On @1.3.3    4 weeks ago

No, no fix.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
1.4  Vic Eldred  replied to  Sparty On @1    4 weeks ago

We may have seen Biden speak for the last time until the convention. He will be hidden away. The President can say anything he wants on policy or any subject. The position of the democratic party is simple - Biden is running to replace Trump - he has no positions nor does he wish to speak or debate the President.

That's the election.

 
 
 
Sparty On
1.4.1  seeder  Sparty On  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.4    4 weeks ago
We may have seen Biden speak for the last time until the convention. He will be hidden away.

Which would be very telling in and of itself.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
1.4.2  Vic Eldred  replied to  Sparty On @1.4.1    4 weeks ago

He is committed, of course, to the Sunday night debate with Sanders, which should be a total disaster for Biden. It's worth a few laughs.

 
 
 
Sparty On
1.4.3  seeder  Sparty On  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.4.2    4 weeks ago

No doubt it will be must see TV.  

I might just have to watch my first Dem debate of 2020.  

Now that the clown car is nearly empty.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
1.4.4  Vic Eldred  replied to  Sparty On @1.4.3    4 weeks ago

Be sure to look into Biden's eyes. You may see that very same look Custer's scouts had when they saw all the thousands of hoof prints leading to the Little Big Horn. It will be a long day for Joe Biden!

 
 
 
Sparty On
1.4.5  seeder  Sparty On  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.4.4    4 weeks ago

Lol, I expect dilated pupils.

They'll likely have to hop him up on on Xanax or some other depressant to keep him calm.

Look for it ............ signs of Xanax use:

  • Slurred speech
  • Shallow breathing
  • Sluggishness
  • Fatigue
  • Disorientation
  • Lack of coordination
  • Dilated pupils
  • Impaired memory, judgement and coordination
  • Irritability
  • Paranoia
  • Thoughts of suicide

More than a couple check marks there for shotgun Joe ......

 
 
 
Split Personality
2  Split Personality    4 weeks ago
with gaffes and repeated clashes with voters, including a profanity-laced argument on primary day in Michiga n

If Trump did that, it would be charming to his admirers.

 
 
 
Sparty On
2.1  seeder  Sparty On  replied to  Split Personality @2    4 weeks ago

Nope, if the situation were the same, it would be the same thing.

The DNC is clearly gaming the system to push Biden as the nominee.

Just like 2016

 
 
 
Ozzwald
2.1.1  Ozzwald  replied to  Sparty On @2.1    4 weeks ago
The DNC is clearly gaming the system to push Biden as the nominee.

Care to explain how?  You have the "opinion" of 1 person, about this, and you are associating it with the DNC.  Russian propaganda at its best.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
2.1.2  XDm9mm  replied to  Ozzwald @2.1.1    4 weeks ago
Care to explain how? 

How often do they have to change the 'rules' to help Biden at the expense of others before you'll recognize it.

Hell, they just changed the rules AGAIN to keep a still running candidate with pledged delegates from participating in any future debates.

I'm waiting for the Bernie Bros to tear it down like they promised to.  The upcoming DNC convention will make Chicago '68 look like a peace march in comparison.

 
 
 
Sparty On
2.1.3  seeder  Sparty On  replied to  Ozzwald @2.1.1    4 weeks ago
Russian propaganda at its best.

Lol .... is that the best you got?   Its Russian propaganda whenever you don't agree with something here?

Hilarious!

To any thinking person, who is not hopelessly biased and/or doesn't have permanent blinders on, the fix is clearly there for everyone to see and hear.   Clyburns comments here is just more empirical proof.   Then there's the slow and steady mass endorsements of former POTUS candidates and others.   Just the former POTUS candidates in reverse order:

Yang

Booker

Harris

Patrick

Delany

Bloomberg

Klobuchar

Buttigieg

O'Rourke

I think that pretty much covers it.

Yes, i'm sure this is all just a Russian disinformation campaign ......... jrSmiley_10_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
WallyW
2.1.4  WallyW  replied to  XDm9mm @2.1.2    4 weeks ago
The upcoming DNC convention will make Chicago '68 look like a peace march in comparison.

Yes it will, should be quite a riot. jrSmiley_100_smiley_image.jpg

 
 
 
Split Personality
2.1.5  Split Personality  replied to  Sparty On @2.1.3    4 weeks ago

Come on, you know that Bernie has never been a viable candidate for the Dems,

Any decent GoP candidate would just beat the Communist/Socialist drum until the landslide GoP victory was over.

Sanders may be mad as hell, blah, blah, blah but he's never been a contender.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
2.1.6  Ozzwald  replied to  XDm9mm @2.1.2    4 weeks ago
How often do they have to change the 'rules' to help Biden at the expense of others before you'll recognize it.

No rule changes were made "during" the nomination run.  You have a problem with the RNC changing the rules so Trump is unopposed?

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
2.1.7  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Ozzwald @2.1.6    4 weeks ago
You have a problem with the RNC changing the rules so Trump is unopposed?

How so??

 
 
 
loki12
2.1.8  loki12  replied to  Ozzwald @2.1.6    4 weeks ago
No rule changes were made "during" the nomination run. 

There is no reason to not know this, unless you choose to do so.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/31/us/politics/dnc-democratic-debate-rules.html

D.N.C. Rules Change for Nevada Debate Could Open Door for Bloomberg

DNC unveils new qualifying rules for Arizona debate

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/dnc-unveils-qualifying-rules-arizona-debate/story?id=69440201

Another rule change,

 
 
 
Sparty On
2.1.9  seeder  Sparty On  replied to  Split Personality @2.1.5    4 weeks ago

I think Bernie and more than a few folks here on NT would disagree with you.

Surprisingly, they are distinctly absent from this discussion so far.

An interesting development to say the least.

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
2.1.10  Colour Me Free  replied to  Sparty On @2.1.9    4 weeks ago
I think Bernie and more than a few folks here on NT would disagree with you.

True .. yet those would most likely be supportive of said 'movement' not said candidate?   Sanders does not represent the party of (D) .. said ideology needs to start a 'Movement' party 

I have to agree with Split Personality .. the party rallied after South Carolina.  Buttigieg and Klobuchar [in order] stepped aside, giving their support to Biden - within days so did everyone else of significance 

An interesting development to say the least.

Question will remain even if Sanders steps aside - will his supporters at the convention or even come November support Biden enough to make their mark on the ballot for him (?)

 
 
 
Sparty On
2.1.11  seeder  Sparty On  replied to  Colour Me Free @2.1.10    4 weeks ago
Sanders does not represent the party of (D)

Then why did they let him run on the D ticket?

I'd like to hear your opinion on that.

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
2.1.12  Colour Me Free  replied to  Sparty On @2.1.11    4 weeks ago

I think in 2016 it was a matter of 'what harm could he cause' to H.'s candidacy  -- 2020 has simply been about bringing his supporters into the fold

 
 
 
Sparty On
2.1.13  seeder  Sparty On  replied to  Colour Me Free @2.1.12    4 weeks ago

IMO, its an age old political tactic.   If you have a relatively favored candidate but he/she is not a prohibitive favorite and you want to assure a win, you stack the primary with as many candidates as possible to dilute the vote.   Helps a candidate like Biden.

Just like in 2016 they were going to make sure Bernie DID NOT get the nomination.   It was more about making sure Biden did get it.   Just like Hillary in 2016.

That said i agree with your second point as they know an independent Bernie run would torpedo any chance Biden has to win.   Bernie got played again and deserves to be pissed.   As do his followers.

Which all just reaffirms that the fix was in from the start

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
2.1.14  Colour Me Free  replied to  Sparty On @2.1.13    4 weeks ago

Good point … yet if Biden had run in 2016 do you think that H. or Bernie would have been relative - or even if Warren had made a bid… individuals screamed for those two [Warren and Biden] to toss their hat in the ring ....

Which all just reaffirms that the fix was in from the start

Most defintiely - unfortunately that is politics today .. Bloomberg also thought he could buy his way past the 'fix' ....

I will be supporting Biden - but at the same time hoping he chooses wisely when it comes to VPs .....................…  I am hoping by choice, Biden is a one term president .. [long story .. but I have my reasoning]

 
 
 
Sparty On
2.1.15  seeder  Sparty On  replied to  Colour Me Free @2.1.14    4 weeks ago

Fair enough.  

Its going to be another interesting election that's for sure.

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
2.1.16  Colour Me Free  replied to  Sparty On @2.1.15    4 weeks ago
Its going to be another interesting election that's for sure.

Agreed...

I have not cast a ballot for president [always vote locally] since I voted for Bush in 2000 .. I cannot in all good conscience vote the 'lesser' of 2 evils.  I have very strong convictions [not religious] that for the most part I keep to myself..

The election of Trump [not bashing .. hear me out] has proven how broken the 2 party system truly is.  It is not the electoral college nor the money in politics (albeit it does not help).. it is the ideology that produces partisanship that makes individuals believe 'compromise' is something that they once saw in a movie

Whew!  I caught myself before I ranted : )

 
 
 
Ozzwald
2.1.17  Ozzwald  replied to  loki12 @2.1.8    4 weeks ago
There is no reason to not know this, unless you choose to do so.

So in your mind, increasing the number of people competing for the nomination is to help Biden????

 
 
 
XDm9mm
2.1.18  XDm9mm  replied to  loki12 @2.1.8    4 weeks ago
No rule changes were made "during" the nomination run. 
There is no reason to not know this, unless you choose to do so.

Ignorance is heavenly bliss for some.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
2.1.19  XDm9mm  replied to  Ozzwald @2.1.17    4 weeks ago
There is no reason to not know this, unless you choose to do so.
So in your mind, increasing the number of people competing for the nomination is to help Biden????

Of course there is this:

Alex Griswold - MARCH 6, 2020 5:10 PM

The Democratic National Committee has changed its presidential debate qualifications to exclude Rep. Tulsi Gabbard (D., Hawaii), the only remaining female and minority candidate in the race.

Under the newly announced rules for the March 15 CNN/Univision debate, candidates must have at least 20 percent of the awarded pledged delegates in order to qualify. In every debate since February's Iowa caucus, any candidate who received even a single delegate automatically qualified for the debate. Gabbard won two delegates on Super Tuesday by placing second in her native American Samoa.

SOURCE:  https://freebeacon.com/politics/dnc-changes-debate-rules-to-exclude-only-woman-in-race/

She IS still a candidate WITH pledged delegates.   But the sexist misogynists running the DNC must think otherwise.   Of course, the lame stream media won't say anything about it.

 
 
 
evilgenius
2.1.20  evilgenius  replied to  XDm9mm @2.1.19    4 weeks ago
She IS still a candidate WITH pledged delegates.

She has 2 delegates total and came in 4th, 5th and 6th places in various races yesterday where people no longer campaigning beat her. She's not even a footnote anymore.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
2.1.21  Ozzwald  replied to  XDm9mm @2.1.19    4 weeks ago

She IS still a candidate WITH pledged delegates.   But the sexist misogynists running the DNC must think otherwise.   Of course, the lame stream media won't say anything about it.

Seriously??  Tulsi Gabbard?  Debates, at this point, should be between Biden and Bernie only.  While I would love to still see Warren debating, her path to the nomination is almost non-existent.  Anyone else would only serve as a distraction.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
2.1.22  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  evilgenius @2.1.20    4 weeks ago
4th, 5th and 6th places in various races yesterday where people no longer campaigning beat her.

Hey, there is this new thing out there called..........wait for it........... EARLY VOTING which in some cases takes place weeks prior to the actual polling day. You need to check it out. Perhaps their votes were gotten from those folks. .... ya think? Wouldn't make sense to vote for someone not even running anymore..................

jrSmiley_30_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
XDm9mm
2.1.23  XDm9mm  replied to  evilgenius @2.1.20    4 weeks ago

The FACT remains that she in in fact a candidate WITH pledged delegates.

Does she not deserve to be heard?  She is after all the only remaining candidate that can speak coherently and not lose her temper when challenged.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
2.1.24  XDm9mm  replied to  Ozzwald @2.1.21    4 weeks ago
Seriously?? 

Yeah.  Seriously.  Or are only geriatric white demented men permitted a voice?

 
 
 
evilgenius
2.1.25  evilgenius  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @2.1.22    4 weeks ago
Hey, there is this new thing out there called..........wait for it........... EARLY VOTING... 

Doesn't change anything in my post. 

 
 
 
evilgenius
2.1.26  evilgenius  replied to  XDm9mm @2.1.23    4 weeks ago
The FACT remains that she in in fact a candidate WITH pledged delegates. Does she not deserve to be heard? 

Apparently the Democratic primary voters have already said no. She has no public events, no advertisements, can't win so putting her in the debates is pointless.

 
 
 
MUVA
2.1.27  MUVA  replied to  Split Personality @2.1.5    4 weeks ago

You think Joe is better they both serve the slacker crowd.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
2.1.28  XDm9mm  replied to  evilgenius @2.1.26    4 weeks ago
Apparently the Democratic primary voters have already said no. She has no public events, no advertisements, can't win so putting her in the debates is pointless

After how many rules changes by the DNC to favor...  drum roll please....   JOE BIDEN.

You can claim whatever you want, but the FACT remains, Tulsi Gabbert is a Democratic Presidential nomination contender, whether she has one delegate of 1991.  Unlike those before her, she has NOT//NOT suspended her campaign.

The DNC must be terrified that a cogent intelligent female would dare to challenge the chosen one.  I remember the last time they did that to Bernie Sanders.   And I most certainly enjoyed seeing that outcome.  As I will if Joe can stand long enough to actually debate Trump.   Joe will be that much hash after Trump chews him up and spits him out.

 
 
 
Tacos!
2.1.29  Tacos!  replied to  evilgenius @2.1.26    4 weeks ago
Apparently the Democratic primary voters have already said no.

I think it's more like the party has said no. They have changed the rules at every opportunity to sabotage her campaign.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
2.1.30  Ozzwald  replied to  XDm9mm @2.1.24    4 weeks ago
Yeah.  Seriously.  Or are only geriatric white demented men permitted a voice?

No, any VIABLE candidate should be able to debate.  That number is currently at 2.

You seem very intent to try to make this something it isn't.

 
 
 
KDMichigan
2.2  KDMichigan  replied to  Split Personality @2    4 weeks ago
If Trump did that, it would be charming to his admirers

Did what? Shut down republican primaries? 

Doesn't that go against the TDS sufferers talking point that President trump needs his rally's to inflate his ego?

But yes please tell us who  President Trump needs to worry about losing the RNC primaries to.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
2.2.1  Ozzwald  replied to  KDMichigan @2.2    4 weeks ago

But yes please tell us who  President Trump needs to worry about losing the RNC primaries to.

[ deleted ]

Your guide to the Republicans challenging Trump in the 2020 presidential race

 
 
 
It Is ME
3  It Is ME    4 weeks ago

I want this Dem Primary to keep on going. It's a riot to watch !

Two old coots going at each other, with one forgetting where he's at or what he's running for, and the other getting the carnival goers to spend there hard earned money at the shooting gallery, using a bent barrel BB gun and promising that they'll win. jrSmiley_10_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Sparty On
3.1  seeder  Sparty On  replied to  It Is ME @3    4 weeks ago

Lol yeah, those BB guns were always rigged .....

 
 
 
It Is ME
3.1.1  It Is ME  replied to  Sparty On @3.1    4 weeks ago
Lol yeah, those BB guns were always rigged .....

Bernie the "Carnie guy" ! jrSmiley_10_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Jasper2529
4  Jasper2529    4 weeks ago
"... it is time for us to cancel the rest of these debates," Clyburn said, "because you don’t do anything but get yourself in trouble if you continue in this contest when it’s obvious that the numbers will not shake out for you."

There's truth in this statement. Given his propensity for gaffes and lack of stamina, Biden would lose the debate. Clyburn knows that Biden even fumbles during a 15 minute speech, so he'd perform miserably during a lengthy debate with Bernie.

 
 
 
loki12
4.1  loki12  replied to  Jasper2529 @4    4 weeks ago
Clyburn knows that Biden even fumbles during a 15 minute speech, so he'd perform miserably during a lengthy debate with Bernie.

The MSM is so far in the bag for Biden this won't be a problem fro the party sycophants.

Question for Bernie: Your Medicare for all will cost 100 trillion dollars decimating the middle class and all minorities, Why do you hate Americans and support Russia?

Question for Biden" Your Grandchild is on honor role, How proud does that make you to know your brilliance has been passed to your grandchildren?

In closing we would like to say,

Putin supports your revolution Comrade Sanders!

VP Biden, We want to thank you for showing restraint when you were viciously and unfairly attacked by an obvious trump plant in Detroit, How are you after the assault by the gun loving thug?

 
 
 
Sparty On
4.1.1  seeder  Sparty On  replied to  loki12 @4.1    4 weeks ago
unfairly attacked by an obvious trump plant in Detroit

So true because you know a Detroit Local, Union construction worker, is an obvious Trump supporter

No doubt about it.

 
 
 
Ender
4.1.2  Ender  replied to  Sparty On @4.1.1    4 weeks ago

Yep, any Democrat would turn around and be on fox news....

 
 
 
Nerm_L
5  Nerm_L    4 weeks ago

Not surprising.  The Democratic establishment thinks that declaring the primaries over will magically remove divisions within the party.  The establishment can't seem to understand that Joe Biden has only inflamed those divisions.

Democrats aren't going to accomplish anything by kicking the can and avoiding the inevitable fight within the party.  Supply-side Reagan Democrats are losing and they know it.  Bill Clinton is no longer relevant in the Democratic Party.  But that donor money is so tempting.

 
 
 
loki12
5.1  loki12  replied to  Nerm_L @5    4 weeks ago

Biden has 837 delegates out of 1997 needed? he isn't even half way, so we must declare him the winner.  And some can't see that the fix is in?

 
 
 
Nerm_L
5.1.1  Nerm_L  replied to  loki12 @5.1    4 weeks ago
Biden has 837 delegates out of 1997 needed? he isn't even half way, so we must declare him the winner.  And some can't see that the fix is in?

That has been apparent from the beginning.  The party establishment's angst over Biden's poor performance in the early contests prompted calls to thin the field.  The establishment have been urging Biden's challengers to drop out all along.  Even the criteria to get a spot on the debate stage was intended to favor Biden and thin the field quickly.  And changing those criteria to allow Bloomberg onto the stage only emphasizes the establishments' favoritism towards supply-side Reagan politics.

Bernie Sanders had very little chance of becoming the nominee.  The threats of a contested convention only confirmed that.  Sanders has campaigned to challenge and change the political priorities of the Democratic Party (and the country).  I doubt Sanders is naive enough to believe that the establishment wouldn't rig the primaries.  The Sanders campaign has been about more than just winning an election.  The establishment attempting to characterize Sanders as a 'spoiler' shouldn't be surprising since that is what Sanders has been doing.  

The political calculus this election depends upon whether or not it is more important to remove Trump or remove the Democratic establishment.  The fight won't be over with Joe Biden's coronation.

 
 
 
loki12
5.1.2  loki12  replied to  Nerm_L @5.1.1    4 weeks ago
I doubt Sanders is naive enough to believe that the establishment wouldn't rig the primaries. 

Of course he wasn't, you have to be a complete moron not to know the fix was in, A perfect example is California and Michigan,

California Primary that Bernie was to dominate:  CNN/MSM announce we won't have the results for weeks, thus denying him momentum. but they called Michigan and all the Biden "victories" as the polls closed, thus guaranteeing that the bandwagoners would all follow the winner. but there are some that will deny the obvious, Party over Country.

 
 
 
Sparty On
5.1.3  seeder  Sparty On  replied to  loki12 @5.1    4 weeks ago

Ask your uncle Tony, the fix is in ..... now Joe just needs to wait for the nomination to fall out of the back of a package truck in the alley.

256

 
 
 
Tacos!
6  Tacos!    4 weeks ago

This is a thing about the party that is so distasteful. This rush to shut down any speech that is outside the lines of advancing party power. "Be silent. Be silent. Free speech is hate speech," whether it comes from the right or the left. They do it to their own just like they do it to Republicans.

 
 
 
Tessylo
7  Tessylo    4 weeks ago

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Paula Bartholomew
8  Paula Bartholomew    4 weeks ago

Shutting them down is no big deal for those voters who have decided who they will support.  But the people who are on the fence need these debates to make a final decision.

 
 
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