Live and let die: Was this Trump's "Mission accomplished" moment? | Salon.com

  

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Via:  john-russell  •  5 months ago  •  17 comments

By:   Heather Digby Parton (Salon)

Live and let die: Was this Trump's "Mission accomplished" moment? | Salon.com
Trump has actually decided that thousands more must die for "the American way." Will this finally finish him?

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If you look at pictures of the anti-lockdown protests around the country you'll often see signs that say "Fire Fauci," of course meaning Dr. Anthony Fauci, the leading scientist on the president's coronavirus task force. Those signs will probably multiply after the MAGA crowds see Fauci's answer when he was asked what he thinks of states reopening for business even as the virus is still spreading and the death rate is rising. He said it all depends on a crucial question: "How many deaths and how much suffering are you willing to accept to get back to what you want to be?"

The implication is clear: This means much more death and suffering.

Over the weekend the other top scientist on the task force, Dr. Deborah Birx, said it was "devastatingly worrisome" to see all these protesters in close quarters, failing to wear masks and not observing social distancing guidelines. Donald Trump's followers weren't too happy about her comments either.

Many of those protesters are being manipulated by political actors working on behalf of big business, super PACs and organizations affiliated with the Trump's re-election campaign. The idea is to force governors to withdraw their stay-at-home orders and tell everyone to go back to normal. Judging from Twitter and Facebook commentary, if Trump himself weren't pushing so hard these people wouldn't be so receptive to that message. This is about supporting their man and nothing more. According to the new Monmouth poll, those who oppose lockdowns even believe Trump over Fox News.

Polls also show, however, that the vast majority of Americans, including Republicans, trust the scientists to tell the truth about the virus. The latest Washington Post/University of Maryland poll found that Dr. Fauci has an approval rating of 74 percent. Even two-thirds of Republicans have high regard for him. In fact, the poll found that "public health scientists in the federal government overall are rated 71 percent positive."

Unfortunately for Trump, Fauci, Birx and virtually every other public health expert find the current insistence on opening up the economy in this haphazard, chaotic way — with no strategy and no methods to ensure the safety of businesses, workers and customers — to be, well, completely nuts.

Naturally, this means that Trump plans to keep the scientists from speaking publicly as much as possible. On Tuesday we learned that the White House plans to disband the coronavirus task force by the end of this month, which undoubtedly means the scientists will recede into obscurity as the Great Economic Traveling Revival Show takes its place. According to the New York Times, they haven't been meeting much the last couple of weeks anyway.

Nothing ever came of the "Opening Up America Again Congressional Group," whose only purpose seems to have been to humiliate Sen. Mitt Romney of Utah, the only Republican senator not invited. As for the ;"Opening Up America Council," composed of business leaders who didn't even know they'd been named or have any idea what they were supposed to do, that one never got off the ground at all. Indeed, the coronavirus task force itself only managed to produce some guidelines that nobody's following while Jared Kushner sabotaged the logistical and procurement functions through massive corruption and cronyism, so maybe that's no great loss either.

What has become clear in the last few days is that the Trump administration has made a decision.

The idea behind the stay-at-home and social distancing guidelines was always to "flatten the curve" of viral spread in order to ensure that the health care system wasn't overwhelmed and buy time to get medical equipment, testing and tracing in place. That would keep the virus contained as much as possible and allow the economy to safely reopen. None of that happened.

Trump's officials flailed around, unable to perform even the most basic tasks one would expect of the federal government in a disaster, while frantically running in circles trying to look as if they were doing something. Now, since they cannot do the job, they have apparently decided to let the virus "wash over the country" as Trump wanted to do from the beginning. If some governors can manage to mitigate the worst of it in their states, good for them. The president has gone back to his full-time job of running for re-election.

The person who has best articulated this pivot is former New Jersey governor Chris Christie, who obviously has Trump's ear. He explained the rationale to CNN's Dana Bash on her podcast this week: "Of course, everybody wants to save every life they can — but the question is, towards what end, ultimately?" One would normally assume that saving lives was an end in itself, but apparently that's no longer an obvious American value.

Bash asked for his message if he were in the White House and he said:


The message is that the American people have gone through significant death before. We sacrificed those lives. We sent our young men during World War II over to Europe, out to the Pacific, knowing, knowing that many of them would not come home alive. And we decided to make that sacrifice because what we were standing up for was the American way of life. In the very same way now we have to stand up for the American way of life.

Trump echoed these words on Tuesday:


I'm viewing our great citizens of this country to a certain extent and to a large extent as warriors. They're warriors. ... I'm not saying anything is perfect, and, yes, will some people be affected? Yes. Will some people be affected badly? Yes. But we have to get our country open and we have to get it open soon.

It's daft enough that Trump and Christie think they can persuade the American people to see this as a "war" against a virus which they can win by exposing themselves to illness or death at workplaces, stores and restaurants. But they must also sell people on the idea that it's heroic to contract this potentially lethal and highly contagious illness and pass it along to others.

"Kill your co-workers, friends and family to save the American way of life!" doesn't sound like a winning campaign slogan to me. But what do I know?

As Salon's Amanda Marcotte observed earlier this week, this rush to "open up" will end up being the worst of both worlds. The virus will continue to rage while the economy continues to sputter as many Americans get sick and everyone remains fearful, with no plan, process or safeguards to assure people they are safe outside their homes.

I'm not sure the president and his men have the slightest concern. Trump traveled to a mask factory in Arizona on Tuesday, to hold what amounted to a campaign rally. He didn't wear a mask himself, of course. Here's the theme music that was played:

"Live and let die" ought to be Donald Trump's epitaph.


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JohnRussell
1  seeder  JohnRussell    5 months ago
Unfortunately for Trump, Fauci, Birx and virtually every other public health expert find the current insistence on opening up the economy in this haphazard, chaotic way — with no strategy and no methods to ensure the safety of businesses, workers and customers — to be, well, completely nuts.
 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
1.1  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  JohnRussell @1    5 months ago

We begin opening some non essential businesses under Phase 2 this Friday.  But there are some restrictions such as curbside pick ups only.  Those businesses include flower shops, sport's shops, book stores, etc.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2  seeder  JohnRussell    5 months ago
"Kill your co-workers, friends and family to save the American way of life!" doesn't sound like a winning campaign slogan to me. But what do I know?
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Mask factory played ‘Live and Let Die’ during Trump visit ...

May 06, 2020  · Donald  Trump  did not wear a mask during his visit to an Arizona mask manufacturing plant on Tuesday, which  played the Guns  N’ Roses cover of James Bond theme song “ Live and Let  Die” during the event.  Mr Trump  arrived alongside other White House officials in Phoenix, Arizona, to watch the production of millions of N-95 medical […]

 
 
 
Tessylo
2.1  Tessylo  replied to  JohnRussell @2    5 months ago

None of them are wearing masks in any of the pictures we see.  I wish tRump would put a mask on though at all times - ugly  mofo.  

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
2.2  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  JohnRussell @2    5 months ago

Does he realize that a lot that will die are his supporters, many who have no health care, are obese, refuse to shelter in place, and listen to idiot advice of drinking bleach?

 
 
 
Release The Kraken
4  Release The Kraken    5 months ago

What i find interesting is that the biggest shutdown protests are in overwhelmingly blue states. The reality is far from "the polls show". This country is no longer red or blue. We all want to work, we all need to work. The division our MSM sells is a lie. Americans of all political persuasions are together on this.

They want us to believe their crappy polls because they realize they have awakened a sleeping giant. Freedom is now the most valuable desire in America and anyone who stands in it's way is going to get rolled.

If we learned anything over the last two months it's that we are not so different. Walk out your front door with your neighbors who you don't always agree with. They want what you want and they will stand up with you shoulder to shoulder.

Those states that hold on to draconian shut down policies will pay a price they once took for granted.

Welcome to the new American not to different than the America of old which sought common ground not difference and always stood for freedom first.

Your free trial of socialism is almost up and no one wants to subscribe except a few coastal elites who have  never been oppressed by the government they advocate for or done any heavy lifting for their country.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
4.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Release The Kraken @4    5 months ago
If we learned anything over the last two months it's that we are not so different. Walk out your front door with your neighbors who you don't always agree with. They want what you want and they will stand up with you shoulder to shoulder.

Not what I have seen. I know quite a few Trump supporters, although I dont think any of them here in Chicago are as batshit overboard as the "deplorables" are. Well, one nephew who posts ridiculous pro trump things on his facebook page but thats another story. 

The pro Trump people I see in my own extended family are mainly in agreement with what the governor and mayor have done. Some that I had given up hope on politically are in agreement with the social distancing and shutdowns. Some of them have kids they dont want to take the chance of infecting. 

Libertarians are a very vocal part of social media and forums like this one, but a small part of the US population. 

 
 
 
Release The Kraken
4.1.1  Release The Kraken  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1    5 months ago

You are wrong John, the shutdown protesters come from all political persuasions. The narrative that it's just trumpers is a total lie. From NY to California a bipartisan protest and rejection of tyranny is taking place.

The political landscape is changing

From Chicago to Austin Democrats, Republicans and Independents are coming together.

It's a problem isn't it? Government doesn't have the resources to stop it. They will fold. We are reopening but we will never forget this.

No one gives a rats as about the MSM anymore. They have completely lost the American people so these seed designed to divide fall on deaf ears.

 
 
 
Tessylo
4.1.2  Tessylo  replied to  Release The Kraken @4.1.1    5 months ago

'You are wrong John, the shutdown protesters come from all political persuasions.'

Nonsense.  I believe some of these brain dead moron protesters were also paid.  

It seems the always tRumpers are the ones immune to reality and common sense and are the ones protesting, some of them armed, like Ammon Bundy, that cowardly terrorist who terrorized the government a few years back.  They are all on the 'right'.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
4.1.3  Tessylo  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1    5 months ago
'Libertarians are a very vocal part of social media and forums like this one, but a small part of the US population.'

Thank goodness for small favors.  

 
 
 
KDMichigan
4.1.4  KDMichigan  replied to  Release The Kraken @4.1.1    5 months ago

That's like the false narrative that it's a group of alt-right, KKK, neo Nazis protesting in Lansing Michigan, It's people of all different kinds who don't think the whole state should be treated like Detroit. Waiting for the 1st ever Corona vaccine is not a option.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
4.1.5  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Release The Kraken @4.1.1    5 months ago

Anarchists are more than happy to act as if everyone disbelieves the MSM and everyone is in opposition to the state governments. The vast majority of people are following the guidelines and orders from the governors, and wondering what is wrong with people who congregate in groups without anyone wearing masks or social distancing.  I just heard 7000 people were warned on Miami Beach that they were not wearing masks or keeping social distancing. That was on one day over the weekend.

Florida just had its largest one day death toll since this thing started. 

The country needs to find a balance between opening businesses and keeping the virus spread down. Everyone wearing a face covering and keeping 6 ft apart is the best way the medical experts have come up with. 

Most Americans do not want hundreds of thousands of Americans to die while we wait for a vaccine. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
4.1.6  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  KDMichigan @4.1.4    5 months ago

Most if not all of the states have put out plans to "re-open" their states on a methodical basis. 4 stage plan, 5 stage plan etc.  People should follow the plans , and not just blindly say "we want total freedom" to do as they wish while thousands of people are dying. That is not a co-operative society. 

America will have to "change" until the vaccine is produced.  The change wont kill you but the virus might. 

Most small businesses will be allowed to re-open within a few weeks. Cuomo said so and other states will follow suit if they havent already. 

The industries that will be most hurt are the travel and hospitality industries, because they know that even when all restrictions are lifted , many many people will not be willing to put their health and safety in the hands of strangers mainly interested in the bottom line. 

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
4.1.7  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1    5 months ago

Two of my neighbors are Trumpers but we are always there for each other and watch out for each other.  Right now they are in Iowa working for a relative so I am watching out for their above ground pool.jrSmiley_9_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
It Is ME
5  It Is ME    5 months ago

From the Article:

"The latest Washington Post/University of Maryland poll found that Dr. Fauci has an approval rating of 74 percent."

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I Wonder Why ? jrSmiley_87_smiley_image.gif

Newsmax interview:
On Jan. 21 - the day the first COVID-19 case in the U.S. was confirmed - Fauci appeared on conservative Newsmax TV. “Bottom line, we don’t have to worry about this one, right?” asked Greg Kelly, the host.
Fauci said, “Obviously, you need to take it seriously and do the kind of things the (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention) and the Department of Homeland Security is doing. But this is not a major threat to the people of the United States and this is not something that the citizens of the United States right now should be worried about.”

Catsimatidis interview:
On Jan. 26 , Fauci gave an interview to John Catsimatidis, a syndicated radio host in New York. “What can you tell the American people about what’s been going on?” Catsimatidis asked. “Should they be scared?”
“I don’t think so,” Fauci said . “The American people should not be worried or frightened by this. It’s a very, very low risk to the United States, but it’s something we, as public health officials, need to take very seriously.”

It's a good thing he was at the front line for the "Start" of this …… "Pandemic" !

If he wasn't, it coulda been worse. jrSmiley_79_smiley_image.gif

 
 
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