Breaking : Washington Redskins Football Team Likely To Change Name Under Pressure From Sponsors

  

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By:  john-russell  •  one month ago  •  143 comments

Breaking : Washington Redskins Football Team Likely To Change Name Under Pressure From Sponsors

Faced with financial losses as merchandising partners threaten to cut ties with the team, the ownership of the Washington Redskins NFL team announced today that it will review the franchises name for the future, seen as a sure sign that the 'Redskins' name is history. 

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JohnRussell
1  author  JohnRussell    one month ago
If there is one truism about Washington it’s that money talks. It talks so loudly that even iron held positions can be reversed, flipped and scrubbed away. 

“We’ll never change the name,” Washington owner Dan Snyder told USA Today in 2013 of the “Redskins." “It’s that simple. NEVER — you can use caps.”

Well, never is a long time (or SEVEN years) and it has a price tag, of course. In recent days  major corporate partners such as FedEx, Nike and PepsiCo began severing ties  and asking others to sever ties with the franchise unless it changed the name. 

On Friday, the team all but announced it would by  saying the current name is headed for a “review.”

“In light of recent events around the country and feedback from our community, the  Washington Redskins  are announcing the team will undergo a thorough review of the team’s name,” the statement read. “This review formalizes the initial discussions the team has been having with the league in recent weeks.”

There is almost zero chance the review will side with the status quo.

This one is all but over. It’s how it works. Change comes very, very slowly and then all at once. N ASCAR banned the Confederate flag The State of Mississippi redesigned theirs . Things that never were supposed to happen, did. 

Money matters in the end, more than principle. That’s the reality of entrenched positions. This is America, after all.

Essentially, they K-Streeted the name. 

There will be celebrations but also howling. There will be protests and even sworn off fandom. There will be those cursing the “cancel culture” that each side of the political spectrum loves to swing — indeed, some will cancel their own association with the team because the team canceled the name because corporations canceled their checks because they were worried customers would cancel purchases.

There will be those who continue to swear the term isn’t racist, let alone just insulting, confrontational or just plain rude. 

You can debate it all amongst yourself. Getting this upset over a team name seems like a waste of energy but, this is America and a lot of you care more deeply about this than that sorry franchise does about winning. 

Consider this though, even if you can dig up some poll or find some Native American who isn’t offended, if you happened to walk up upon a group of Native Americans, would you greet them by shouting, “Hey, Redskins"? 

Would you do so believing you were conveying actual respect? Would you think that was a welcoming gesture?

https://sports.yahoo.com/dan-snyder-said-hed-never-change-the-redskins-name-but-now-that-money-is-talking-171808507.html
 
 
 
Greg Jones
1.1  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @1    one month ago

Perhaps they can do what my high school team, the Arvada Redskins did.....skip to the 90's when the name change came. The mascot is now a bulldog. Arvada is a suburb Northwest of Denver.

https://arvadahs.jeffcopublicschools.org/our_school/history

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
2  Sean Treacy    one month ago

Washington Warrens?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2.1  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @2    one month ago

George Armstrong Custer was considered a great American hero at one time. A martyr even.  You don't find that opinion much anymore.  Things change. The name "Redskins" for a football team was always headed for the dustbin of history. People want a more inclusive country now. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
2.1.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1    one month ago

How bout the Washington Monuments?

 
 
 
Texan1211
2.1.2  Texan1211  replied to  Sean Treacy @2.1.1    one month ago

No way. Can't be naming anything for someone people now hate.

 
 
 
r.t..b...
2.2  r.t..b...  replied to  Sean Treacy @2    one month ago
Washington Warrens?

How about the Washington Whiteys...with 'Hail to the Whitey's' as a fight song, a pasty but menacing CEO as your mascot, and an owner and a fan base oblivious to how ridiculous that all sounds.

Sad that money talks before long overdue change can occur...but good on FedEx and other sponsors for turning the monetary screws.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
2.2.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  r.t..b... @2.2    one month ago

White people wouldn't be the ones outraged over a team named the whiteys.

 
 
 
loki12
2.2.2  loki12  replied to  Sean Treacy @2.2.1    one month ago

Washington Leprechauns? Because the Irish aren’t a bunch of pussy’s who are offended by everything.

 
 
 
r.t..b...
2.2.3  r.t..b...  replied to  Sean Treacy @2.2.1    one month ago
White people wouldn't be the ones outraged over a team named the whiteys

Totally relevant to the protestations going on all over the country and rightfully so. Also, I'm afraid that is an accurate statement and especially sad to consider on this Independence Day eve.

 
 
 
Raven Wing
2.2.4  Raven Wing  replied to  Sean Treacy @2.2.1    one month ago
White people wouldn't be the ones outraged over a team named the whiteys

It sure would not be the Native Americans who would be outraged. They were outraged because they would not change the name,

So, who in your mind would be outraged?

 
 
 
loki12
2.2.6  loki12  replied to  Texan1211 @2.2.5    one month ago

Who cares what Native Americans think! White liberal elitists know what’s best for them. Just ask them, because in their mind the poor Native Americans just don’t know better.

 
 
 
Texan1211
2.2.7  Texan1211  replied to  loki12 @2.2.6    one month ago

What cracks me up is all the "woke" white liberals faux-offended over shit.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
2.2.8  XDm9mm  replied to  loki12 @2.2.6    one month ago
Who cares what Native Americans think! White liberal elitists know what’s best for them. Just ask them, because in their mind the poor Native Americans just don’t know better.

Maybe you should consider what NBC has already discovered.   Their poll indicates Native Americans are PROUD of the name.  I guess they realize they don't need YOU to answer for them.

Source:  https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/08/10/poll-of-native-americans-view-of-redskins-name-finds-proud-most-common-answer/

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
2.2.9  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Sean Treacy @2.2.1    one month ago
White people wouldn't be the ones outraged over a team named the whiteys.

I beg to differ. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
2.2.10  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  loki12 @2.2.2    one month ago

You're comparing an Irish fairytale to scalping. Interesting. 

 
 
 
loki12
2.2.11  loki12  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.2.10    one month ago

Where the hell is scalping mentioned?  It appears that native Americans aren’t offended, I’m not offended? The perpetually offended need to fuck off IMO!

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
2.2.12  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  XDm9mm @2.2.8    one month ago

Yes we all know about the polls. The problem is anyone can claim to be an Indian. Just ask Elizabeth Warren. Half this site claims to be part Indian. The real Indians (like myself) are not polled. They are not polling reservations are they? 

 
 
 
loki12
2.2.13  loki12  replied to  XDm9mm @2.2.8    one month ago

You may have missed my point.

 
 
 
Texan1211
2.2.14  Texan1211  replied to  loki12 @2.2.11    one month ago

Apparently, The Church of the Perpetually Offended meets every day!

 
 
 
XDm9mm
2.2.15  XDm9mm  replied to  loki12 @2.2.13    one month ago
You may have missed my point.

Oop's, my bad.  Some times good sarcasm is lost!!

 
 
 
loki12
2.2.16  loki12  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.2.12    one month ago

So all these people who were surveyed and live on the reservation are less native Americans than you are? Is that what you are claiming?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/new-poll-finds-9-in-10-native-americans-arent-offended-by-redskins-name/2016/05/18/3ea11cfa-161a-11e6-924d-838753295f9a_story.html

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
 
 
XDm9mm
2.2.18  XDm9mm  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.2.12    one month ago
Half this site claims to be part Indian.

My wife has no problem with the name.  Her great grandfather was married to a Native American.  So that makes her what, about 1/4?   

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2.2.19  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.2.10    one month ago

One day the people at that time will look back at this whole thing and say "what took so long?" 

I am always amazed at people , who will lose NOTHING if xy or z is done , feigning that someones self worth will be threatened if a team name with so much "tradition" is changed. When they do change the name, in 5 years no one will even care that there used to be a "Redskins". 

Its not the name change they object to, it's the fact that minorities don't want to continue to agree with white dominance of the culture. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
2.2.21  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  XDm9mm @2.2.18    one month ago

No one 1/8th. And is she involved in any Indian life? Probably not. And that is why that poll means nothing because we have a pile of people claiming to be Indian and don't know a thing about BEING Indian answering in a poll as if they are actual Indians. 

 
 
 
loki12
2.2.22  loki12  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.2.17    one month ago

Gee, a group of lemmings who all think alike, I’m shocked!

i heard the DNC thinks trump is unfit, I guess that settles it.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
2.2.23  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  loki12 @2.2.22    one month ago

Loki,

We are not talking about Trump are we?

And did you just call me a lemming?

 
 
 
MUVA
2.2.24  MUVA  replied to  Texan1211 @2.2.14    one month ago

Their minutes are posted here everyday. 

 
 
 
1stwarrior
2.2.25  1stwarrior  replied to  XDm9mm @2.2.8    one month ago

Ohhhhh - wowwwww - NBC "asked" 408 people from demographics NBC chose - FEW were Native American - NONE lived on reservations - NONE were listed as Tribal/Nation's peoples - and you're gonna use that as "FACT"??????

XD - you've really lost direction on this one.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
2.2.26  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  loki12 @2.2.11    one month ago
Where the hell is scalping mentioned?

That is what the term means. It was the number of scalps brought back from killing Indians. 

Sept. 25, 1863:  The Winona Daily Republican in Minnesota features  an announcement   that uses the term “redskin” as a pejorative: “The State reward for dead Indians has been increased to $200 for every red-skin sent to Purgatory. This sum is more than the dead bodies of all the Indians east 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/a-brief-history-of-the-word-redskin-and-how-it-became-a-source-of-controversy/2016/05/19/062cd618-187f-11e6-9e16-2e5a123aac62_story.html

I am offended and I am Indian. My dad is offended and he is an Indian. It is a disgusting name. And btw.. we are not called "Native Americans". That is a US government designation for us. We refer to ourselves as Indians or Indigenous people. Pick one.

 
 
 
loki12
2.2.27  loki12  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.2.23    one month ago

Careful Perrie, or are you now changing the terms of service?

we see constant insults to conservatives, democrats etc...groups aren’t individuals, your inability to separate the two has shown the weakness of your position, I’m Native American and could give a shit if they change their name.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
2.2.29  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.2.26    one month ago

I feel so complimented/ sarc:

384

What's next? The Germantown Lampshades?

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
2.2.30  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  loki12 @2.2.27    one month ago

No Loki, you took a personal potshot at me. And you are about as Indian as I am Irish. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
2.2.31  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  loki12 @2.2.28    one month ago

The term changed over time.... and that is the last potshot you are going to take at me. I was the one who posted the link to give full disclosure. You just reposted it. 

 
 
 
1stwarrior
2.2.32  1stwarrior  replied to  loki12 @2.2.28    one month ago

Well, obviously you didn't understand it then nor do you understand it now.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
2.2.33  1stwarrior  replied to  XDm9mm @2.2.18    one month ago

Actually, it probably doesn't make her any part Native American.  For the majority of tribes/nations, you gain your genealogical linage through the female.  If, and that's a big if, her ggpa and ggma had kids - one of which had to be her gpa/gma and then they had to have kids - one of which had to be her ma/pa.  But, from your telling of the tale, none of that happened.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
2.2.34  1stwarrior  replied to  loki12 @2.2.16    one month ago

Those people didn't live on a reservation - they didn't know what tribe/nation they belonged to - they didn't know what their tribal/nation name was - yup - real good journalism.

 
 
 
loki12
2.2.35  loki12  replied to  1stwarrior @2.2.34    one month ago

Obviously you didn’t read the article.

 
 
 
loki12
2.2.36  loki12  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.2.30    one month ago

23 and me says you are wrong, I posted my genealogy for you when you asked. And again you prove that the rules don’t apply to you. 

 
 
 
loki12
2.2.37  loki12  replied to  1stwarrior @2.2.34    one month ago

Didn’t live on the reservation or which tribe?

this lady says YOU don’t know what you are talking about.

“I’m proud of being Native American and of the Redskins,” said Barbara Bruce, a Chippewa teacher who has lived on a North Dakota reservation most of her life. “I’m not ashamed of that at all. I like that name.”

 
 
 
loki12
2.2.38  loki12  replied to  1stwarrior @2.2.34    one month ago

This person agrees with the lady above that you should have read the article.

“I really don’t mind it. I like it. . . . We call other natives ‘skins,’ too,” said Gabriel Nez, a 29-year-old Navajo who left his reservation last year to study criminal justice at a college in New Mexico.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
2.2.39  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Raven Wing @2.2.4    one month ago

Maybe the Native American leaders should get together and suggest some names that would honor them as a people.

 
 
 
MonsterMash
2.2.40  MonsterMash  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.2.26    one month ago
We refer to ourselves as Indians or Indigenous people. Pick one.

So you're OK with the Cleveland Indians?

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
2.2.41  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  loki12 @2.2.36    one month ago

Loki,

It is not about DNA. It is about tribal ties. I am a member of a tribe. My daughters are not. Their DNA would show them to be 1/16th Algonquin but the tribe that I belong to stops at 1/8th. 

And what are you talking about the rules not applying to me? I have not been rude to you.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
2.2.42  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  MonsterMash @2.2.40    one month ago
So you're OK with the Cleveland Indians?

Personally I don't mind the name. 

 
 
 
devangelical
2.2.43  devangelical  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.2.41    one month ago

click the button. help a wannabe martyr out.

 
 
 
Citizen Kane-473667
2.2.44  Citizen Kane-473667  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.2.26    one month ago
That is what the term means. It was the number of scalps brought back from killing Indians. 

Hmmm... that isn't where the term originated. Even your ad cited above does not refer to the scalp as being a " redskin ", but of sending every red-skin (Indian) to purgatory.  BTW, the term "Indian" is also supposedly offensive to the First People, as it was a misnomer applied by Europeans thinking they had reached the West Indies. They find it offensive because they aren't from India.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
2.2.45  1stwarrior  replied to  loki12 @2.2.35    one month ago

Very obviously you haven't looked at the three "polls" that have shown "approval" of the Redskin's name by supposed Indians.

Recommend that before you start trying to "embarrass" someone, that you learn more of the someone you're trying to embarrass.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
2.2.46  1stwarrior  replied to  loki12 @2.2.38    one month ago

Wow - you've found TWO (2) people out of 508.  Don't think that equates to 90% - well, maybe is some people's world it may.

 
 
 
loki12
2.2.47  loki12  replied to  1stwarrior @2.2.46    one month ago

You said none, which was obviously wrong, and. Now you are claiming the rest aren’t on reservations based on your prejudice, 90% don’t care per the poll, their opinion is as important as yours. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
3  Sean Treacy    one month ago

In 2016, the Washington Post surveyed Indians if the name bothered them.

90%, whether in a tribe or not, were not bothered.

Paternalistic white liberals were outraged on their behalf.  Because the vast majority of Indians who weren't outraged don't understand the situation like they do from their gated communities.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
3.1  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @3    one month ago

The half dozen or so members of Newstalkers who claim some American Indian heritage have all said (to the best of my knowledge) the name should be changed.  Who are you to say they are wrong? 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
3.1.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1    one month ago

If 10 people claim on a website claim Donald Trump is the greatest President ever, do they speak for all Americans?  

90% is a massive majority.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
3.1.2  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.1.1    one month ago

I believe there was a problem with that poll, but Kavika or 1st warrior would remember that better than me. 

 
 
 
1stwarrior
3.1.3  1stwarrior  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.1.1    one month ago

And Sean, it's a bunch of pure bullshyte as has been pointed out to you and others before.

WaPo's poll was conducted with 504 respondents -

Adrienne Keene Ed.D  responded that the poll uses faulty data and methods, such as the continuing problem of self-identification, and the reporting of the results misses the point regarding objections to the name established by social science research and the authentic voices of Native Americans as being about real harms, not individual feelings.  NCAI Executive Director Jacqueline Pata stated, "The survey doesn't recognize the psychological impacts these racist names and imagery have on American Indian and Alaska Natives. It is not respectful to who we are as Native people. This poll still doesn't make it right."   Ray Halbritter  of the Oneida Nation criticized the poll for "never ask[ing] the people if the name should change" and that "no other community's ever been asked to justify their existence or deny their degradation through poll testing - not the African-American community, Latino community or Asian community, no one."

Addressing the problems with the prior telephone polls, the 2020 Berkeley/Michigan University study asked questions regarding offensiveness of team names and fan behavior with more than two options, and details to determine the strength of respondents Native identification.

The  Native American Journalists Association  (NAJA) issued a statement calling the publication of the poll, and the reporting of its significance, as not only inaccurate and misleading but unethical. "The reporters and editors behind this story must have known that it would be used as justification for the continued use of these harmful, racist mascots. They were either willfully malicious or dangerously naïve in the process and reporting used in this story, and neither is acceptable from any journalistic institution."

While not addressing the NAJA criticism, the WaPo editorial board maintained its prior position that the name is a slur and that they will avoid its use as much as possible.  However, one WaPo editor and advocate for change, Robert McCartney, has decided to drop any further protest in light of the poll results.  The editorial board reiterated their advocacy of name change in 2019, citing the opposition of Native American tribes that has resulted in the retirement of Native mascots by high schools.

A Los Angeles Times editorial cites the evidence that the name is offensive to many, which the poll does not change given its questionable representation of Native American opinion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_Redskins_name_opinion_polls#:~:text=In%20May%202016%2C%20The%20Washington,bothered%22%20by%20the%20team's%20name.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
3.1.4  Sean Treacy  replied to  1stwarrior @3.1.3    one month ago

So it's just the usual assault on polls where the result isn't what was wanted.  This is  a valid poll from a news organization that is hostile to the name Redskins. 

90% is 90%.  This is not within the margin of error. 

 
 
 
Tacos!
3.1.5  Tacos!  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.1.4    one month ago
This is not within the margin of error. 

Maybe it was one of those +/- 40% polls. jrSmiley_86_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
loki12
3.1.6  loki12  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.1.4    one month ago

You have to realize those aren’t “real” Native Americans because the haven’t passed some bullshit purity test, 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
3.1.7  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.1.4    one month ago

Maybe we should also discuss the last election Sean. Lots of polls showing Hillary winning. How accurate were those?

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
3.1.8  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  loki12 @3.1.6    one month ago
You have to realize those aren’t “real” Native Americans because the haven’t passed some bullshit purity test, 

No, you have to be a practicing Indian. Not someone who knew someone in their family was Indian and nothing else. It has zero to do with purity. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
3.1.9  Sean Treacy  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @3.1.7    one month ago

Well, the National polls had her winning by 3 points I believe. I don’t remember them claiming  she had 90% support. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
3.1.10  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.1.9    one month ago

Sean,

99% of the polls showed her far more popular than Trump and winning by a good margin. How accurate were they?

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
3.1.11  Sean Treacy  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @3.1.10    one month ago

Per real clear politics, the final poll average was off by 1.2 points. Out of the 11 polls they track, the biggest miss was 4 points.  All were within the margin of error.

Are you claiming the poll by the Washington Post, an independent news organization,  was off by at least 40 points?  If you want to argue the Washington Post poll was off by twice as much as the worst poll in 2016, it still doesn't come close to changing anything.   

 
 
 
Tacos!
3.2  Tacos!  replied to  Sean Treacy @3    one month ago
90%, whether in a tribe or not, were not bothered.

And they shouldn't be. Because nobody with any sense thinks the team is called Redskins for the purpose of disparaging Native Americans. It's clearly to celebrate them. However, if they do change the name, I would hope they would just give the team a different Indian kind of name. Like, make it specific to some tribe or collection of tribes.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
3.2.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  Tacos! @3.2    one month ago
It's clearly to celebrate them

Woah.. that's too much common sense.

You'd think anyone who took 5 minutes to look around and see what teams are named for and why, would be able to figure that out.

No football team is called the "yellow bellied cowards."   But hey, it's 2020, I guess "the oppressed" or the "victims" would be fitting. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
3.2.2  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.2.1    one month ago

How are you celebrating us? By referring to scalping? 

 
 
 
1stwarrior
3.2.3  1stwarrior  replied to  Tacos! @3.2    one month ago

Tacos - you do know the history behind that name, right?

How 'bout telling us just what the name Redskins means to Native Americans.

How 'bout doing that - huh?  C'mon - educate us.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
3.2.4  1stwarrior  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.2.1    one month ago

Washington Jews - Washington Spics - Washington Blackies - Washington Bitches - Washington Wops - Washington Whities - Washington Idiots.

Much better names, eh?

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
3.2.5  Sean Treacy  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @3.2.2    one month ago

That's not referring to scalping, and that's been shown to you before.

Redskins is just another word for Indians, and was used by Indians to describe themselves as was documented above..

Any word can be "used pejoratively"

 
 
 
Tacos!
3.2.6  Tacos!  replied to  1stwarrior @3.2.3    one month ago
you do know the history behind that name

Yeah. I know that for decades, it has been intended to celebrate and honor the heritage of Native Americans. That is the relevant history. If you don't know that, then sorry, but you don't know shit about football or the Redskins franchise.

 
 
 
Freefaller
4  Freefaller    one month ago

Meh we'll see, this is hardly the first time this and other sports teams have been pressured to change their name

 
 
 
JohnRussell
4.1  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Freefaller @4    one month ago

The fact that the team owner announced they are reviewing the name is a good indication it will change. Otherwise he wouldn't have said anything. There isnt really a way to split the difference. 

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
4.1.1  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1    one month ago
The fact that the team owner announced they are reviewing the name is a good indication it will change

Just like they have every other time this has come up and the name hasn't changed.

 
 
 
Freefaller
4.1.2  Freefaller  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1    one month ago

Maybe they will, maybe they won't John. Personally I don't much care either way it goes, like I said we'll see.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
5  Nerm_L    one month ago

Wouldn't it be more productive to just get rid of the NFL?  As long as the NFL continues there will always be a chance that someone will be offended.  The only way to completely and permanently end racism in the NFL is to do away with the NFL.

Hey Ho, the NFL has got to Go!

 
 
 
JohnRussell
5.1  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Nerm_L @5    one month ago

It appears to bother you that a marginalized group like American Indians "complain" about an insulting sports team nickname. I guess you'll tell me that Nordic people might object to the name "Vikings" , but Nordic people are not historically marginalized. It's a pity that people like you cannot see the difference.  

 
 
 
Nerm_L
5.1.1  Nerm_L  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1    one month ago
It appears to bother you that a marginalized group like American Indians "complain" about an insulting sports team nickname. I guess you'll tell me that Nordic people might object to the name "Vikings" , but Nordic people are not historically marginalized. It's a pity that people like you cannot see the difference.

Doesn't bother me at all.  If someone wants to be offended, that's their business.  What is concerning is that everyone just stands around and pees down their legs.

You do know that the origin for the name Minnesota was the Dakota people's name for the Minnesota River?  After all, Minnesota was responsible for the largest mass hanging of Dakota people in history.  The name Minnesota Vikings not only appropriates Indian culture, it celebrates killing American Indians, too.  Now you have something else to pee down your legs about.

Hey Ho, the NFL has got to go!

 
 
 
JohnRussell
5.1.2  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Nerm_L @5.1.1    one month ago
You do know that the origin for the name Minnesota was the Dakota people's name for the Minnesota River?  After all, Minnesota was responsible for the largest mass hanging of Dakota people in history.  The name Minnesota Vikings not only appropriates Indian culture, it celebrates killing American Indians, too. 

A ridiculous stretch, but when you have little ammunition you have to improvise. 

 
 
 
Nerm_L
5.1.3  Nerm_L  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.2    one month ago
A ridiculous stretch, but when you have little ammunition you have to improvise. 

Oh, that's right.  Minnesota is in flyover country and isn't important except for police murdering Black people.

How about the Miami Dolphins?  Miami is named after the Mayaimi American Indian tribe that lived around Lake Okeechobee and who are now extinct.  Completely wiped out, gone forever.  Genocide.  At the very least, that should provide an opportunity to pee down the legs over the Trail of Tears.

Hey Ho, the NFL has got to go!

 
 
 
Tacos!
5.1.4  Tacos!  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1    one month ago
It appears to bother you that a marginalized group like American Indians "complain"

I think it borders on racism to imply that all native people feel the same way about something simply on the basis of their ancestry. Some native people complain about the Redskin name. Others like it. Still others don't care.

but Nordic people are not historically marginalized.

Sure they were. It just depends on the perspective, place, and the time period we are talking about. The "vikings" as you mention, are reviled throughout European history as vicious marauders. Savage brutes bent on rape and conquest. The scourge of civilization. There are movies and TV shows being made right now that depict them in exactly that light. 

In reality, like any society or civilization, they were ordinary people with families and rich traditions. They were intelligent, creative, and innovative. All of that gets pushed aside for the sake of a sports mascot, but only people looking for something to complain about would be upset by that.

 
 
 
dennis smith
5.1.5  dennis smith  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1    one month ago

The Washington football team has had the corporate sponsors for many years. Now all of a sudden they are jumping on a bandwagon to show what "good community citizens" they are. 

The name does not offend the Native Americans but it is others who want to make changes. The "others" should spend their energy on things that really matter.  

 
 
 
charger 383
5.1.6  charger 383  replied to  Nerm_L @5.1.3    one month ago
    "Hey Ho, the NFL has got to go!"
Roger Goodell has been doing his best to destroy the NFL for years

 
 
 
Ronin2
5.1.7  Ronin2  replied to  charger 383 @5.1.6    one month ago
Roger Goodell has been doing his best to destroy the NFL for years

Can't argue with that.

Little Napoleon has his favorites. If you are not one of them there is nothing the NFL cannot do to make your career shorter, and your wallet liter.

 
 
 
loki12
5.2  loki12  replied to  Nerm_L @5    one month ago

It’s got National in its name, obviously a nazi reference, it needs to go.

 
 
 
Gazoo
6  Gazoo    one month ago

when the left is done with the washington redskins they should go after the red mesa redskins. How dare they be so racist!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/in-arizona-a-navajo-high-school-emerges-as-a-defender-of-the-washington-redskins/2014/10/26/dcfc773a-592b-11e4-8264-deed989ae9a2_story.html

I doubt if anybody supporting the name change reads this link, but to quote school superintendent Tommie Yazzie, “I don’t find it derogatory. It’s a source of pride.”

 
 
 
charger 383
7  charger 383    one month ago

Hail To The Redskins

 
 
 
MUVA
8  MUVA    one month ago

Suggestion rename them the foreskins It is fitting.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
8.1  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  MUVA @8    one month ago

That's disgusting.

 
 
 
Kathleen
8.1.1  Kathleen  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @8.1    one month ago

I have been seeing a lot of disgusting things on here lately. 

 
 
 
MUVA
8.2  MUVA  replied to  MUVA @8    one month ago

They should change the logo to a peanut and still call themselves the red skins.

 
 
 
charger 383
9  charger 383    one month ago

I have been a Redskins and Raiders fan since I knew what a football was but lately I have fast been losing interest what Roger Goodell is ruining    

 
 
 
MUVA
9.1  MUVA  replied to  charger 383 @9    one month ago

You have to pick one.

 
 
 
charger 383
9.1.1  charger 383  replied to  MUVA @9.1    one month ago

Raiders, they change cities but not the name

 
 
 
Ronin2
9.1.2  Ronin2  replied to  charger 383 @9.1.1    one month ago

The Raiders will fit right in at Vegas. The one eyed emblem to go with the one eyed jacks and one armed bandits.

 
 
 
charger 383
10  charger 383    one month ago

Somebody will find fault with any name they would change it to,  

 
 
 
Kavika
11  Kavika     one month ago

I find it quite amazing that a group of white people on this forum is so immersed in Native American culture and history that they feel that they can speak for Natives. What an amazing sense of superiority to think that you, as non-native, can speak for us and better yet tell us what is and isn't insulting to us. 

In your infinite wisdom do you tell Blacks, Asians, Hispanics, Jews, etc etc what is insulting to them and what isn't?

A quick note about the so-called poll. 504 people were contacted by phone and asked if they were NA. All the those that responded were self-identified natives and the majority didn't know what tribe or people they came from or were related to. 

There have been polls done within Indian Country that contradict the Washington poll, but they were real Indians with tribal affiliation and membership that responded. Just think real Indians vs a voice on the phone that says they are Indians. 

A huge number of organizations, tribes, foundations, and individuals have protested the name and strongly support a change in names. They represent the majority of Native Americans.  

The following groups have passed resolutions or issued statements regarding their opposition to the name of the Washington NFL team:

Tribes [ edit ]

Organizations [ edit ]

  • Advocates for American Indian Children (California)
  • American Indian Mental Health Association (Minnesota)
  • American Indian Movement [24]
  • American Indian   Opportunities Industrialization Center   of San Bernardino County
  • American Indian Student Services at the Ohio State University
  • American Indian High Education Consortium
  • American Indian College Fund
  • Americans for Indian Opportunity
  • Association on American Indian Affairs
  • Buncombe County Native American Inter-tribal Association (North Carolina)
  • Capitol Area Indian Resources (Sacramento, CA)
  • Concerned American Indian Parents (Minnesota)
  • Council for Indigenous North Americans (University of Southern Maine)
  • Eagle and Condor Indigenous Peoples' Alliance
  • First Peoples Worldwide
  • Fontana Native American Indian Center, Inc. (California)
  • Governor's Interstate Indian Council
  • Greater Tulsa Area Indian Affairs Commission [25]
  • Great Lakes Inter-Tribal Council (Wisconsin)
  • HONOR – Honor Our Neighbors Origins and Rights
  • Kansas Association for Native American Education
  • Maryland Commission on Indian Affairs
  • Medicine Wheel Inter-tribal Association (Louisiana)
  • Minnesota Indian Education Association
  • National Congress of American Indians   (NCAI)
  • National Indian Child Welfare Association
  • National Indian Education Association
  • National Indian Youth Council
  • National Native American Law Student Association
  • Native American Caucus of the California Democratic Party
  • Native American Finance Officers Association (NAFOA) [26]
  • Native American Journalists Association [27]
  • Native American Indian Center of Central Ohio
  • Native American Rights Fund   (NARF)
  • Native Voice Network
  • Nebraska Commission on Indian Affairs
  • Nottawaseppi Huron Band of Potawatomi (Michigan)
  • Not Your Mascots, Inc.
  • North Carolina Commission of Indian Affairs
  • North Dakota Indian Education Association
  • Office of Native American Ministry, Diocese of Grand Rapids (Michigan)
  • Ohio Center for Native American Affairs
  • San Bernardino/Riverside Counties Native American Community Council
  • Seminole Nation of Oklahoma
  • Society of American Indian Government Employees (SAIGE)
  • Society of Indian Psychologists of the Americas
  • Southern California Indian Center
  • St. Cloud State University – American Indian Center
  • Tennessee Chapter of the National Coalition for the Preservation of Indigenous Cultures
  • Tennessee Commission of Indian Affairs
  • Tennessee Native Veterans Society
  • Tulsa Indian Coalition Against Racism [28]
  • The Confederated Tribes of the Colville Reservation
  • Unified Coalition for American Indian Concerns, Virginia
  • The United Indian Nations of Oklahoma
  • Virginia American Indian Cultural Resource Center
  • Wisconsin Indian Education Association
  • WIEA "Indian" Mascot and Logo Taskforce (Wisconsin)
  • Woodland Indian Community Center-Lansing (Michigan)
  • Youth "Indian" Mascot and Logo Task force (Wisconsin)

After accepting $200,000 from the   Washington Redskins Original Americans Foundation   for the prior year, the Indian National Finals Rodeo (INFR), which says it is the U.S.' and Canada's largest rodeo organization for Native Americans, sent a letter refusing any further donations. INFR Vice President Michael Bo Vocu stated "After much soul searching, we have decided that we cannot in good conscience accept resources from you on the terms you have offered, no matter how desperately we need it ... because, as you know, the resources you are offering are not truly philanthropic -- they come with the expectation that we will support the racial slur that continues to promote your associated professional football team's name." Last year the Redskins primary logo appeared at many Native rodeo events, creating a backlash from those offended by it. [29]

Individuals [ edit ]

Interviews at a powwow in   Towson, Maryland , find several Native Americans who favor a change of the Redskins name. [30]

These Native Americans have put their opposition to the Redskins' name on the public record:

  • Sherman Alexie   ( Spokane , author): "Most, you know, at least half the country thinks the mascot issue is insignificant. But I think it's indicative of the ways in which Indians have no cultural power." [31]
  • Bruce Anderson   ( Coquille people ): "I challenge [owner Dan Snyder] to focus on winning ... but also an opportunity for me to simply sit with my grandchildren to watch my former team without having to cut through the racial stereotypes." [32]
  • Allen Barbre   ( Tunica-Biloxi ), a   Philadelphia Eagles   player, refuses to use the name of the Washington team. [33]
  • Irene Bedard   ( Inupiat ,   Inuit   and   Métis , actress): She's really upset about some of the costumes the cheerleaders have worn through the years -- calling them over sexualized and "degrading" to proud Native American women like herself. [34]
  • Notah Begay   (Navajo, PGA pro golfer) called the Redskins' name "a very clear example of institutionalized degradation of an ethnic minority." [35]
  • Clyde Bellecourt   (Ojibwe, co-founder of the   American Indian Movement ) [36]
  • Bob Burns (Blackfeet elder) [37]
  • Ben Nighthorse Campbell   (Northern Cheyenne, U.S. Senator) [38]
  • Gregg Deal   (Paiute Tribe of Pyramid Lake, artist/activist, and DC Area resident): "People aren't just emboldened by their team to treat poorly those of us that would oppose such "honor." They are actually empowered in being aggressive to the point of assault, verbal or physical, threatened or made good. I live in a world where I must coach my children not to talk about such things publicly in school because a classmate may come at them, or even a teacher. The threat of aggression because of who we are is real and enabled by the Washington Redskins. That is not a complaint; that is the truth." [39]
  • Vine Deloria, Jr.   (Sioux, historian/author) [40]
  • Jim Enote (Zuni), director of the A:shiwi A:wan Museum and Heritage Center in New Mexico [41] [42]
  • Louise Erdrich   ( Chippewa , novelist/poet) – "It's more than a stereotype, it's an insult, and they don't have to perpetuate it." [43]
  • Donna Fann-Boyle (Choctaw/Cherokee, activist) [44]
  • Claudia Fox Tree (Arawak, teacher) – "It's part of a much larger issue in that those sort of depictions are our only representation in modern America. It isn't just the sin of stereotypes and misinformation, it's the sin of absence – of not seeing yourself or the people you come from anywhere, of not seeing any contemporary images." [45]
  • Stephanie Fryberg , Phd. ( Tulalip , Professor of American Indian Studies and Psychology at the   University of Washington )
  • Kevin Gover   ( Pawnee , director of The   Smithsonian Institution 's   National Museum of the American Indian ) [46]
  • Suzan Shown Harjo   (Cheyenne/Hodulgee Muscogee, author/activist) [47]
  • Tara Houska   (Ojibwe/Couchiching First Nation, attorney/activist)   [48]
  • Bronson Koenig ( Ho-Chunk Nation ,   Wisconsin Badgers   guard) [49]
  • Litefoot   (Cherokee/Chichimeca, rapper) ironically celebrates Native American team names as "recreational genocide" on the track 'Stereotipik'. [50]
  • Dana Lone Hill (Oglala Lakota Sioux, writer): The refusal to rename the Redskins is far worse than Donald Sterling's racist remarks. [51]
  • Adrienne Keene   (Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma, Assistant Professor of American Studies and Ethnic Studies at Brown University)
  • Russell Means   (Oglala Lakota, activist/actor) [52]
  • Billy Mills   (Sioux, Olympic gold medal winner) [53]
  • David Narcomey   (Seminole Nation of Oklahoma) [54]
  • Ted Nolan   (First Nations Ojibway, NHL player and coach) [55]
  • Cornel Pewewardy   ( Comanche - Kiowa , Professor of Education at   Portland State University ) [56]
  • Oklahoma businessman Ryan Red Corn ( Osage ): Dan Snyder is an "idiot" for keeping the name. [57]
  • Buford Rolin (Creek tribal chairman) [58]
  • Gyasi Ross   (Blackfeet Nation/Suquamish Territories, author/attorney): Regarding team supporters citing larger issue faced by Native Americans than a team name, "Native people shouldn't be forced to choose between living or racial discrimination. Those are false binaries." [59]
  • Shoni Schimmel ( Umatilla , Louisville Cardinals guard, class of 2015) [60]
  • Charlene Teters   (Spokane, artist/lecturer) [61]
  • Summer Wesley   (Choctaw attorney, writer, and activist) [62]
  • W. Richard West Jr.   (Cheyenne, President of the   Autry National Center   in Los Angeles): Redskin is "an openly derogatory term. It always is and it always has been." West also characterizes the Original American's Foundation as an "attempt to divert attention from the fact that his team's nickname is coming under increasing heat from people who think it's an offensive racial term." [63]
  • Ray Young Bear   ( Meskwaki , author) [64]

Civil rights and religious organizations [ edit ]

Of course, there are many more to add, but that gives you an idea (I hope) that this is an insult to most Natives. 

As I've said before if your so sure in your belief that the name isn't insulting please feel free to call a group of Native Americans Redskins and tell them you're honoring them. Be sure to do it face to face. 

 
 
 
MUVA
11.1  MUVA  replied to  Kavika @11    one month ago

Not nearly as bad as the white leftist down for the struggle.

 
 
 
Kathleen
12  Kathleen    one month ago

Hmmmm, how about Washington Warriors?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
12.1  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Kathleen @12    one month ago

That sounds like something that will probably be on the short list. 

 
 
 
Kathleen
12.1.1  Kathleen  replied to  JohnRussell @12.1    one month ago

The reason why I thought of that was my daughters high school football team was called The Warriors.  

 
 
 
MonsterMash
12.1.2  MonsterMash  replied to  JohnRussell @12.1    one month ago
That sounds like something that will probably be on the short list. 

Can't have the Warriors that name is already drawing backlash on social media.

"Folks tweeting about Washington Warriors with feathers and arrows on the logo missed the whole damn point," Rebecca Nagle posted on Twitter. "Native American cultures and our tribes are real, contemporary, diverse, and ALIVE. We are not cartoons. And we are not mascots."  jrSmiley_78_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Texan1211
12.2  Texan1211  replied to  Kathleen @12    one month ago

Probably can't name anything Washington, because someone somewhere will be offended by the mere mention of that name.

 
 
 
Kathleen
12.2.1  Kathleen  replied to  Texan1211 @12.2    one month ago

It’s hard to find names... 

I remember a store called ‘Noname’. 

Its just too hard to please everyone.

 
 
 
MonsterMash
13  MonsterMash    one month ago

Cleveland Indians announced today they're reviewing their name.  Who's next on the chopping block, the Chicago Blackhawks?

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Freefaller
13.1  Freefaller  replied to  MonsterMash @13    one month ago
Who's next on the chopping block, the Chicago Blackhawks?

It won't be their first time

 
 
 
JohnRussell
14  author  JohnRussell    one month ago
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Trump has spoke for an hour standing on Indian land appropriated by the American government and has not said one word about the Indian people. Not a word.
 
 
 
Adam_Selene
14.1  Adam_Selene  replied to  JohnRussell @14    one month ago

He was too preoccupied musing about whether Lincoln's face could be redone to look like his own.

Anyway, remember, in his mind, it's his generals, his army, his DOJ, his judges,  and his Federal Land.

When he sings "This Land is My Land..." he means exclusively.

 
 
 
Ronin2
14.1.1  Ronin2  replied to  Adam_Selene @14.1    one month ago
Anyway, remember, in his mind, it's his generals, his army, his DOJ, his judges,  and his Federal Land. When he sings "This Land is My Land..." he means exclusively.

Like every other President before him. Or do you think Obama, the Bushes, Clinton, or any other President thought differently?  Generals can be removed at any time by the President. Obama proved that repeatedly, if any General didn't toe the line with the way he wanted Afghanistan (especially) or Iraq fought they were gone. Deploying and recalling the military is an exclusive right of the Executive Branch. And as both Trump and Obama have proven through EO's and EA's federal lands can be made into National Forests, wildlife preserves, or be marked as non development zones for industry; and taken back just as quickly. Federal attorneys can be fired at a whim, both Clinton and Obama cleaned house as soon as took office firing every last one of them, and appointing new ones that better suited their agenda. Presidents nominate federal judges at every level including the Supreme Court. The judges they get appointed will be around far after they leave office making decisions that affect everyone. The AG is a part of the Executive Branch and also an appointee of the President. 

So what is your point again besides more rampant TDS?

 
 
 
Adam_Selene
14.1.2  Adam_Selene  replied to  Ronin2 @14.1.1    one month ago
Like every other President before him. Or do you think Obama, the Bushes, Clinton, or any other President thought differently?

Yes. That's my point.

 
 
 
Ronin2
14.1.3  Ronin2  replied to  Adam_Selene @14.1.2    one month ago

You had no point other than TDS.

Trump is acting no differently then any of the past presidents. It is called the trappings of power; and each succeeding President has increased the power of the office.  Trump is actually failing at that job; or course following Obama, how could he ever hope to succeed?

Want a major overreach? Try Obama's EA on DACA, after saying repeatedly that the Constitution didn't give him the power.  It has put in place a system the Supreme Court ruled cannot be removed; even though it is illegal, and Trump has reversed Obama's EA. Nothing like rampant TDS to force the Executive branch to violate Constitutional law. The court isn't even bothering to deny the fact they are telling Trump to break the law. Of course the left forget the law of unintended consequences.  Now anyone can argue an EO/EA is the same damn thing as a law. With the precedent set the Supreme Court will have to listen to the next case demanding an EO/EA be left in place.

Hey, how about Obama abusing the War on Terror Act and invading Syria? Syria never invited US forces in, they didn't ask for our help. They have told us to leave several times. Yet thanks to Obama, and the rampant TDS driven Chicken Hawk left we are still there. Still wasting US money fighting a war no one wants us to be involved in. Our moronic NATO allies (France and Britain), who had the most to gain, fled months ago; after promising to take over US responsibilities. Trump set the pullout date for US forces, and our "allies" beat us to the exit.

Or take Libya. Obama completely ignored the War Powers Act. To the point members of his own party tried to take him to court! Obama thought he was smarter than all of his Generals, who warned him that he would destabilize the country. Instead Obama listened to the worst judge of character ever, Hillary Clinton, who never met a military engagement she didn't like. Wonderful piece of shit Obama turned that country into. Imagine Trump ever attempting to do the same. The left would lose it and try to impeach him again!

But Trruuummmmppppp!!!!!!! We know, we know. Living rent free in TDS driven peoples' heads 24/7.

 
 
 
Ronin2
15  Ronin2    one month ago

I have some new name suggestions for the team.

Washington Sellouts- Uniforms might be difficult, but the team will accurately depict the political atmosphere of the area.  Maybe they can use all of the corporate and special interest group logos that give money to politicians. They would look more like NASCAR uniforms, but since the NFL is trying to follow NASCAR's horrendous business model- it would be appropriate.

Washington Traitors- Why not? All politicians are. That is not including the real traitors hiding in the shadows.

Washington Criminals- The team logo and colors can change by which party holds the White House; or by which ever party currently has someone under indictment at the Federal level. 

Washington PC- The logo and team colors can be changed to match whatever is currently in with the PC crew. Advertisement space on uniforms can be sold to PC special interest groups that are very controversial and divisive. Again following the NASCAR business model to failure. I am sure BLM would love another platform; and Antifa would love to start a mainstream one.

Washington Rainbow Warriors- I was a Jeff Gordon fan. Maybe DuPont can buy the team? Of course that name might piss off two factions at once. Wonder which one would rank higher on the left's social outrage status?

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
16  Just Jim NC TttH    one month ago

I was always under the impression that a "mascot" or team name, was to convey strength, ability, and greatness. WTF is wrong with people. Redskins is in no fucking way was meant to be disrespectful. Wake the hell up people and see what is going on here.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
16.1  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @16    one month ago

I was under the same impression.  Apparently for those easily offended don't quite understand that.

They see a name like Redskins or Indians and immediately get offended for those they THINK should be offended.  And we have what we are seeing now.

 
 
 
Release The Kraken
17  Release The Kraken    one month ago

I personally am offended by the Minnesota Vikings. The Indigenous Germanic tribes of Norther Europe were conquered, enslaved and deprived of their religions by other tribes. It's just hurtful.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
17.1  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Release The Kraken @17    one month ago

I think you may be confused. They were nordic. 

Vikings [a]  were the  Norse people  from southern  Scandinavia  (in present-day  Denmark Norway  and  Sweden ) [2] [3] [4]  who from the late 8th to late 11th centuries  raided  and  traded  from their  Northern European  homelands across wide areas of Europe, and explored westwards to  Iceland Greenland , and  Vinland . [5] [6] [7]  

 
 
 
Release The Kraken
17.1.1  Release The Kraken  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @17.1    one month ago

The Scandinavians (later called Vikings), like the Anglo-Saxons (English) were a sub group of the Germanic peoples

The real question is who humped the neanderthal on our voyage out of North Africa?

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
17.1.2  Sean Treacy  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @17.1    one month ago

Well, the vikings oppressed my ancestors so I'm triggered.  Get rid of em

 
 
 
JohnRussell
17.1.3  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Release The Kraken @17.1.1    one month ago
The real question is who humped the neanderthal on our voyage out of North Africa?

No, thats not the "real" question. The real question is why so many white Americans feel like victims.  White grievance is the all consuming theme of Donald Trump's re-election strategy. 

What do "white people" have to complain about?  This is the great unanswered question of our time. 

 
 
 
Release The Kraken
17.1.4  Release The Kraken  replied to  JohnRussell @17.1.3    one month ago

You know that you likely share the neanderthal gene too. It's the cross humping that made you white.

 
 
 
Release The Kraken
17.1.5  Release The Kraken  replied to  Sean Treacy @17.1.2    one month ago
Well, the vikings oppressed my ancestors so I'm triggered.  Get rid of em

There is not a group of humans that hasn't been oppressed in the world's history. The good news is none of us practice slavery like all our ancestors did. We've evolved.

In other News the Romans need to pay a lot of people reparations.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
17.1.6  Sean Treacy  replied to  Release The Kraken @17.1.5    one month ago

I'm protesting everyone.  I'm demanding delicious Italian beef sandwiches on a weekly basis from the  Italian government  to cover that base. 

 
 
 
Release The Kraken
17.1.7  Release The Kraken  replied to  Sean Treacy @17.1.6    one month ago

Interesting fun fact, the Pizza was actually invented by oppressed Roman Jews during Passover.

It's really cultural appropriation to enjoy pizza and minimizes the plight of the Jews.  This is why I reject pizza in favor of calzone.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
17.1.8  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Release The Kraken @17.1.4    one month ago

Donald Trump spoke for almost an hour last night. He was standing on land that belonged to an American Indian tribe, until the US government coerced it from them. Trump did not say a single word about contributions by native Americans, who are United States citizens, to the achievements and greatness of America.  He did not say one word about AMERICAN Indians. 

How do you explain that? 

 
 
 
Release The Kraken
17.1.9  Release The Kraken  replied to  JohnRussell @17.1.8    one month ago

That is an awful tragedy but pails in comparison to the atrocities committed by the Mongol invasion in the 13th century. They conquered and stole land and sold slaves throughout Eurasia.

Truly horrific.

These historic atrocities of the past haunt us all but this one really terrorizes my thoughts while i sleep. I sure am glad we've evolved.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
17.1.10  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Release The Kraken @17.1.9    one month ago

Move back to your ancestral homeland, whatever it is, and take up the cause. Then at least your argument will make a slight bit of sense. 

 
 
 
loki12
17.1.11  loki12  replied to  JohnRussell @17.1.8    one month ago

Your posting from a house that sits on land stolen from American natives....When are you giving it back?

Literally, everything sits on land stolen from somebody........But Trump!!!!!

CNN 2008

Obama stands in front of a Majestic Monument of what America can accomplish.

CNN 2020

trump stands in front of 2 slave owners,

If the retarded left media were anymore transparent we could use them for glass.  how fucking stupid do you have to be to continue to believe their lies?

 
 
 
Release The Kraken
17.1.12  Release The Kraken  replied to  JohnRussell @17.1.10    one month ago

Move back to your ancestral homeland, whatever it is, and take up the cause. Then at least your argument will make a slight bit of sense. 

Funny you should say that, I've started growing crops in my backyard and haven't had a hair cut or trimmed my beard since February. When I ride the Harley I pretend I am sailing the oceans on a boat with a team of oarsmen. The boat has an animal head on the front too.

Oh and I sold my gun collection for battle axes.

 
 
 
Texan1211
17.1.13  Texan1211  replied to  loki12 @17.1.11    one month ago

The real problem is some yahoos will believe whatever CNN and MSNBC tell them to. And never will they be able to discern any hypocrisy in coverage from one President to another.

 
 
 
Dean Moriarty
17.1.14  Dean Moriarty  replied to  JohnRussell @17.1.8    one month ago

I think it was because he didn’t want liberals to wake up this morning without something to cry about. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
17.1.15  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @17.1.8    one month ago

Gee, I didn't hear Trump talk about dogs, either!

Or about Eskimos!

Or about Chinese-Americans!

WTF is up with THAT??

 
 
 
TᵢG
17.1.16  TᵢG  replied to  Texan1211 @17.1.13    one month ago

The problem is people in general who simply accept as truth what others tell them.   This is not the behavior of one particular ideology, political view, religion or culture but of all.   This is how many people operate.

That said, I agree that blind acceptance is a real problem.

 
 
 
Release The Kraken
17.1.17  Release The Kraken  replied to  Dean Moriarty @17.1.14    one month ago
I think it was because he didn’t want liberals to wake up this morning without something to cry about. 

If we all trace our ancestry back to our first indigenous settlements the world is going to be a very segregated place and the mass migration will destabilize the entire planet.

In the name of tolerance and coexistence we might want to consider a mutual day of historic grievance forgiveness and put an end to the groveling of our pasts.

He or she without a historical grievance please step forward?  (The step no one can take)

 
 
 
JohnRussell
17.1.18  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Release The Kraken @17.1.12    one month ago
  Other monuments expressed white domination over Na tive Americans. Whites always wound up in posi tions of power and action, while people of color were passive   on the bottom. Lame Deer, a Dakota leader, sees the same   message in the four European American faces carved on   Mount Rushmore:  
"T hese big white faces are telling us, “First we gave you  Indians a treaty that you could keep these Black Hills  forever, as long as the sun would shine, in exchange for  all the Dakotas, Wyoming, and Montana. Then we  found the gold and took this last piece of land, because  we were stronger, and there were more of us than there  were of you, and because we had cannons and Gatling  guns…. And after we did all this we carved up this  mountain, the dwelling place of your spirits, and put  our four gleaming white faces here. We are the con querors.  "
The language at historic sites is also warped. All across   the country, Americans call Native Americans by tribal names   that are wrong and even derogatory. According to these histo ries on the landscape, Indians are “savage,” whites “discover”   everything, and some causes portrayed as stainless today   were drenched in blood in their own time.
from

Lies Across America: What Our Historic Sites Get Wrong

 
 
 
Texan1211
17.1.19  Texan1211  replied to  Dean Moriarty @17.1.14    one month ago
I think it was because he didn’t want liberals to wake up this morning without something to cry about

Trump is still alive and still their President, so of course they have something to cry about!

 
 
 
Release The Kraken
17.1.20  Release The Kraken  replied to  JohnRussell @17.1.18    one month ago

One thing I've learned in my short time on this planet is the world can be shared. Sharing is caring, we have to put our differences aside and realize we are all the same. Equality begins when we stop pretending the Human race need be judged based on skin color or religion. It's a melting pot, holding on to the sins of the past will never move us forward. The year is 2020 and the wars and land shuffles have been too many to selectively pick and choose which to undo.

We have a choice, we can perpetuate racism by demanding to be recognized for our insignificant physical differences or we can accept one another and move on.

 
 
 
MonsterMash
17.1.21  MonsterMash  replied to  JohnRussell @17.1.3    one month ago
What do "white people" have to complain about? 

You're white John, you find plenty to bitch about is it due to your white guilt? You're such a champion for minorities, but by your own admission, you won't get out to protest with them because you're afraid you'll get hurt and one of your relatives will see you and not invite you for Thanksgiving dinner.

 
 
 
Ronin2
17.2  Ronin2  replied to  Release The Kraken @17    one month ago

I am in full agreement. When I was a kid in St Paul, MN I was constantly bullied by blond haired, blue eyed Norse. I am mostly German, and I didn't know the damn European history. My grand mother had to sit me down and explain it to me. Seems that not all blond haired blue eyed people are created equally in some eyes.

It is time to remove the Viking name and end the racism the Norse have against the Germans. Damn Nordics anyways. (I will now apologize to the small percentage of Swedish ancestors that are a part of my family lineage. Of course that small portion didn't save me.)

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
17.2.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  Ronin2 @17.2    one month ago
e to remove the Viking name and end the racism the Norse have against the Germans. Damn Nordics anyways.

We can't move forward as a country until this stain is lifted.  Just seeing the word in print triggers inherited PTSD

 
 
 
Release The Kraken
17.2.2  Release The Kraken  replied to  Sean Treacy @17.2.1    one month ago

Before amends can be made we must be able to burn modern religious sites like they burned our pagan temples. It's only right.

 
 
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