Flynn Loses In Appeals Court, Case Sent Back To Judge
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Foreign Agent/Former NSA Michael Flynn loses bid to dismiss criminal charges against him. Case is returned to Judge Sullivan. Barr will have to explain his decision to not prosecute a two time guilty pleading perjurer.
Former Trump advisor Michael Flynn loses appeal seeking quick dismissal of criminal case
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A federal appeals court on Monday rejected a bid by former national security advisor Michael Flynn to force the dismissal of the criminal case in which he had been convicted of lying to FBI agents.
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A win for the good guys.
A ruling on procedure.
No big deal.
Seems like some are prematurely celebrating, well, nothing, really.
Bill Barr will now have to explain why he wants all the charges against Flynn dropped, so it is more than a procedural decision. It means that Flynn could still end up in prison.
Quote that from your own source, please, I didn't see anything remotely close to that in the article. The case goes back to the judge, and he will either dismiss the case or proceed, which will then be appealed.
Not a thing about Barr having to do anything at all in your article.
The DOJ will have to explain to Sullivan why they think the charges should be dropped. He will have a hearing, not a cursory dismissal.
No, Sullivan has all the information already. Now all he has to do is to decide to drop the charges or not. Nothing more, nothing less. And if he decides to not drop it, it will be appealed.
Where does your article claim Barr must do anything at all? Or did you get that from a different source?
Wait WHAT?
When the three-judge panel of the same court ruled for Flynn, there was a seed here that called it a BIG WIN.
what part did you not understand?
I didn't seed it that I remember, so maybe you should ask who did.
the court is giving Sullivan a chance to dismiss on his own.
the left has a hard time understanding "process"
every decision seems final to them like something is over or something... LOL
if need be this will go to the supreme court and that rouge judge will lose hands down.
the judge is doing whatever he can to keep flynn's gag order in place for as long as possible.
of course this tactic will eventually fail.
in time and soon enough flynn is going to have some really interesting things to say and that worries a lot of people.
No part Tex.
I made a statement, I didn't ask you anything.
No. The appeals court sent it back to Judge Sullivan to rule Flynn's case as he sees fit. Judge Sullivan could sentence Flynn. If I were Sullivan, I'd vacate his plea agreement and nail Flynn with the highest sentence possible.
If that is what you choose to believe, have at it.
They sent it back because he hasn't ruled yet.
the three judge panel had earlier ordered the case to be dropped. The appeal was filed and the whole court said that the case was premature as Sullivan had not issued a ruling yet.
yes, and the sentence, if handed down, will be immediately appealed.
No way Flynn does any time.
sillivan is going to fail on every count.
if need be the supreme court will see to that.
Judge Sullivan was JUST successful.
Fail.
Barr had better worry about the charges that he will face next year.
did he successfully stall for time? yes
will he win the game? not a chance.
What do you think that Judge Sullivan needs time for 8?
Oh now I get it. You are under the illusion that this is some kind of fucking game.
Ridiculous.
flynn has a gag order on him that evaporates when the case ends.
my bet is sullivan will drag this out past the election to keep flynn under that gag order.
no,,, you don't. maybe stop playing with your imagination? its a thought.
in time you will see flynn walk free as a bird and then we will hear from flynn what they don't want us to know.
it will be fun
Flynn isn't under a fucking gag order. Just stop.
Yep, clear as can be.
You could hear from Flynn tomorrow if he had the gonads to speak up.
violate the gag order and give that rouge judge a chance to actually lock him up?
that is your legal advice? don't represent yourself in court.
and don't worry about flynn, we got plenty of time to let the process play out. no rush.
Fine, post a link to prove that Flynn is under a gag order.
do I look like your puppet? learn to use google...
keywords hint: michael flynn gag order
have a great night
Since you are unwilling to admit that your claim is a LIE, I invite other members to do just that and prove it to themselves. I suggest that you all review the July interview with Flynn's attorney @ NTD.com:
Mr. Jekielek: Fascinating, and so is he under a gag order?
Ms. Powell: No, there’s no real gag order.
Flynn is NOT under a gag order. PERIOD, full stop.
not a chance the left are the good guys or that they won.
if nothing else, the supreme court will crush that rouge judge's dreams.
Maybe he will tweet more support for QAnon so we can be entertained while waiting for the outcome of this case.
Good result. Lock him up!
LMAO.
Do you even understand what the ruling was?
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Sure you do, being a fantastical internet lawyer and all!
LMAO!
So, in your esteemed legal opinion, what was the ruling, and what is accomplished by it?
The ruling was Flynn ain't pardoned just yet, as was Trump's lowered Barr objective, and Y U continue to look for a glimpse of something positive for a Flynn not being held accountable, but attack and want so many Dems "locked up", tells more than you don't think, cause it accomplishes an actual step towards reigning in the 'pussy grabber in chief, banger of pornstars paid well asz documented in the anals' of the HiStory, where there is dis-belief, as N E ONE, should be able to see the HIPPOCRACY !
If you want my legal opinion, you can pay my hourly fees, if you can afford them.
Good response
Patently false, and if you don't know it, you should have.
In fact, nothing in your entire post is the least responsive to what was asked of another internet lawyer.
[Deleted] You may be taking this whole internet lawyer thingie a little too far, however.
I didn't actually expect you to have anything to really say about the ruling anyways.
well then. mission accomplished
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Even my cat understands better.
Your cat is probably intelligent.
I'll buy you a coke and a candy bar. Probably not worth much more than that.
I've read lots of your comments. I wouldn't give a plug nickel for any of them.
Nobody asked you to. I'm not an ambulance chaser
A good dose of Raid would take care of your problem.
Like usual you made no sense. Maybe it's time you quit while your not ahead?
Your ad?
Like usual your nonsense is meaningless. You can go play with your other reactionary buddies. They might be interested in what you have to say. I'm not.
You're not even in the race/running bugs.
lock him up?
hilarious.
either Sullivan will dismiss or a higher court will on appeal.
It will be all worth it to get the DOJ on record for their reasoning behind dismissing Trump's pal. If it's anything like the other briefs submitted by Trump's DOJ, it should be a hilarious read.
they are already on record. what do you think this is all about?
smh
Playing "fantastical" internet lawyer again? Talk about hilarious...
so you are now going to dispute the fact that the JD is already on record?
Or are you disputing what Sullivan can do?
either way shows lack of understanding.
You're the "fantastical" internet lawyer, you must understand everything... Really hilarious...
well, then. at least that would make one of us understanding and the other banging on their keyboard.
perhaps in your infinite internet lawyer wisdom, you can point out Sullivan's options--- besides dismissing the case or sentencing Flynn, which of course will be appealed immediately.
your post would lead someone to think i didn't state his options correctly. so inform me of what his other options are
You're trying to get me to have a serious discussion with you?
Ok, I give in. Sullivan can sentence or dismiss. I don't see that there are other options available to him in this instance.
Now, you can get back to banging on your keyboard. All that LMAO stuff you're always banging on about.
which is exactly har I stated earlier and you somehow felt compelled to respond to me, saying I didn't understand.
looks like I understand perfectly!
not bad for a layperson who doesn't pretend to be a lawyer!
Go back over some of your past comments.
I will be more than happy to explain any of my posts if you didn't understand them.
please specify which posts you are referring to.
I understand everything you say. I am referring to comments in the past where you have come across like a pretend internet lawyer, since you dispute or deny it. I don't need to show you. You know what they are. No response needed, but I know you'll probably feel better if you have a defensive response. It's ok. That's all. Good bye.
Seriously Tex, go READ the ruling and then read the Amicus Curiae brief. If you need help understanding them, ask Gsquared.
Couldn't Sullivan also issue an order to show cause for why Flynn shouldn't be held in criminal contempt for perjury? THAT should be a comical brief from the DOJ. Or even better, a hearing transcript.
I don't need him to explain anything to me. Or you either.
He took exception to what I stated, only to later admit that I was right.
And if you can't tell from all that reading you have done that the Justice Dept. has already made clear their stand, then I can't help you.
buh-bye!
Yes Tex, I have heard there are those that believe that ignorance is bliss. I do not hold to that belief.
Sounds like you boys have issues.
No Tex, when it comes to understanding the law, you can't.
Yet YOU were the one that asked:
You obviously don't and you aren't curious enough to read the fucking thing. Though even that may not help.
Okay, that is great.
Me, no. You'd have to ask him.
I know what the ruling was, and more importantly, I know why it was.
it will be a bitter pill for you to swallow when that rogue judge gets shot down by the higher court if he doesn't drop this case.
Yes. You are right. The Judge could issue an order to show cause re: criminal contempt. Flynn either lied when he admitted guilt, or he lied when he attempted to rescind. Very good point.
BTW You're misapprehension is that I said you were wrong. Nothing in the record shows I stated that. As is not unusual, you misinterpreted what was said.
You could learn a whole lot from Dulay. And there you go playing internet lawyer again.
Shhhh...we aren't supposed tp know stuff like that, seeing as how we aren't brilliant internet lawyers and all!
that's how communists do it. so, of course that is what they expect from sullivan.
the funny part is they think it will work... LOL
Your comment illustrates how little you know about the Court.
A Judge can hold someone in contempt of court. I suggest before you enter a courtroom that you review the awesome autocratic powers that Judges hold.
You must have missed that his comment illustrated a LACK of knowledge Tex.
Thank you for completing the trifecta of uninformed comments.
Your second sentence contradicts your first sentence.
Contrary to your uninformed claim, Judge Sullivan's argument to the appeals court was upheld.
FAIL.
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That is an amazing feat of self awareness.
You could remedy that by seeking knowledge for yourself but alas, you continue to refuse to do the work.
As far as I'm concerned, your only place in any world is right here on this forum.
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Yet Turley doesn't ask a question in your quote, DOES HE?
I see you can't refute my comment so you try to use Turley. Both of you FAILED.
Turley is just using circular logic to confuse conservatives who are apparently his biggest fans now. The fact is, courts MUST have the ability to penalize people who lie in court. If there was no compunction to tell the truth and no penalty for lying your ass off, how well do you think our justice system would operate? The threat of perjury is intended to evoke truth, and if a defendant gets caught in a lie they must be held accountable for disregarding the laws of our nation and our justice system. Turley knows this and doesn't give any suggestion for a remedy because he knows there isn't one, just dropping the risk of a perjury charge would be catastrophic.
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Where have I inferred that Flynn CAN'T walk free Tex?
Hint: NOWHERE.
you got me beat by a mile.... LOL
Did you just figure that out?
nah, nothing new. when it comes to bs comments you are king.
Where have I stated that you said Flynn couldn't walk free, Dulay?
Hint: NOWHERE.
Thanks.
So you say. I disagree. But I am sure you know what I read or watch 24/7/365.
Good to know, I guess. Of course, had I actually cared, I would have asked for your opinion.
You've admitted that you're a closet Rachel Maddow fan and you watch her all the time. That should get you ostracized by the other reactionaries.
Is that just the very best thing you could think of to make up about me?
I don't believe I have ever said that I was a fan, but you go right ahead and quote me saying that--IF you can, of course.
What do you hope to gain by writing such an obvious untruth about me?
I DO watch her occasionally, as like most folks, I need a good laugh every now and then, and sometimes there just isn't anyone funny on here. Thank God now is NOT that time!
I only respond to your comments to see if you're going to do the swearing thing... because that's funny!
And I read yours because they are sometimes entertaining and I am always curious what you will make up next!
I always hope that you will at least keep it semi-believable, but sometimes your comments are mere disappointments.
Shouldn't you be watching Tucker Carlson right now, anyways?
No time for chit-chat for you!
LMAO!
mere disappointments
Sadly, yes, I find your comments to be just that... unless you're doing the swearing thing, of course.
Shouldn't you be watching Tucker Carlson right now, anyways?
I would have to disinfect the entire house if I watched that POS.
"LMAO!"
Hey, you're stealing one of his best bits.
Thanks, I will take your mimicry of my posts as a sign of "I can't think of anything on my own, so I'll use your words instead of my own".
Gracias!
Don't take it wrong, like you just did.
When it come to obtuse comments, all bow to you...
Really, and here you declared yourself a HUGE Tucker fanboy!!!.
"POS"--always entertaining stuff!
Thanks!
ooh, is there where you tell me how I took it now?
Hang on, let me get a drink so I can properly enjoy this!
Let's review:
Not ONE question mark.
Sadly, it's all too easy for all to see that you are incapable of taking responsibility for your own comments. Well done.
I guess we are done here, unless you decide to try to use your own words for a while. Might be a refreshing change of pace, you know!
Hard to tell since your comment was a violation.
let me get a drink so I can properly enjoy this
That's a problem. Did you have to walk more than 12 steps?
You know what it said before it was deleted.
So why would it be so hard for you?
That's just a reminder. You set the standards.
Why is that a problem for you?
Nope--I got the BIG cup when I saw you were on again.
Senseless.
Expected.
Old.
Tired.
I can only judge from the what you post here Tex. Perhaps if you were to post comments that illustrate a cogent understanding of the topic, it would be different. But your comments speak for themselves and they don't tell a pretty story.
It's unfortunate that you're unwilling to invest the time to educate yourself though I do have to wonder why you and yours have such contempt for those of us that do.
I don't need to get a drink to enjoy something.
Old.
Tired.
In that case, I'd say it's time for you to get to bed. Nighty, night.
Sorry, it isn't my job to educate you or to get you to like what I post.
And you haven't got clue one about what I educate myself on. But sometimes it is a real hoot when you post that you think you do!
Wow! For a second there I had a twinge of respect boil up but you've eliminated that cognitive dissonance.
Time for a snickers.
OOPS!
My mistake--I simply forgot for a second the intended audience.
Here, maybe this will illuminate it for you better (Keep forgetting I must be precise and exact with every word, as not everyone can surmise meanings)
Your POST is old, tired, senseless and expected.
Hope that clears it up for ya!
Oh, dang it, and here I am, just living a meaningless existence without your vaunted approval, too!
So disappointing!
Fantastic!!!!!!!
Kudos!!!!!!!!
Well because you asked:
Since your comment is GONE, it's impossible to see WHERE, isn't it Tex? So NOW, you can claim your comment said whatever the fuck you want to and so can I. So WTF is the POINT? Just stop.
Nor I you Tex and I'm thankful for not being responsible to fulfill that impossible task.
Oh but I can judge by your posts what you HAVEN'T educated yourself on...
You illustrate your own lack of knowledge Tex, I just call it out.
So why DID you bring it up AGAIN when you say there is no point?
That doesn't make sense.
But it's okay.
oh, I just LIVE to be judged by you!
I can die a happy man now that YOU have passed judgment on me!
Whew!
Oh no worries Tex. Even were I to feel a tinge of respect, I would never approve. Too much history.
Man, you can not even IMAGINE my disappointment now!
Whatever shall I do without a stamp of approval?
It makes me so sad.
You're still up this late?
The POST you are complaining about is YOUR OWN WORDS. No wonder you need a drink.
caught that by yourself, did ya?
Congrats!
Hey, let's do this, okay?
When I complain about a post, I will let you know, okay? Otherwise, please don't assume.
yep! Iced coffee---got to stay awake this late, don't ya know!
That thing is really ugly. Put it away.
Just so it's clear. When you write "Your POST is old, tired, expected and senseless" you're not complaining? Ok Good enough.
Nope.
That would be swell.
Some people can discern the difference between complaining and noting something.
Awesome!
What doesn't make sense is your BS that I brought it up 'AGAIN'. You know that members can follow the conversation and comment numbers for themselves right Tex. Just stop.
Sorry to disappoint you Tex but my judgement is of your comments. I'll leave judging members to you and yours.
Learn to live with it...
Sure I do!
You can't disappoint me, ever, because I have absolutely no expectations of you.
Sure.
Done!
You just claimed that you recognized that members can follow the conversation. Yet after you stated:
and
You post this:
You've just hammered the last nail into the coffin wherein lies the credibility of your future comments.
yes my utmost concern in life is your opinion of Me!
😀
Why are you block quoting yourself and replying to me?
Oh I note that you found the question mark on your keyboard. Well done.
"Lucy! Ya got some 'splaining to do!"
Not really a surprise. A writ of mandamus is an extraordinary step. Basically, they gave Sullivan another chance to dismiss the case on his own.
A Vic Vic Victory for Good Guys Against Trumpism!
What exactly do you think was won here?
LMAO!
Looks like some on the left are all giddy over, well, basically, nothing.
Surprise, surprise!
Well, were not "giddy" over another of Trumps' "best and brightest" , who PLEADED GUILTY TWICE, not being punished after the LIAR in CHIEF again tried to influence his corrupted life, long association with other LIARS,thieves, con men, and hose grabbin rostitues, who gave him their P
good to know.
I'll file that in the circular file pronto!
give that traitor a tube of KY and toss him over the fence at gitmo with his new friends.
!Wishful thinking, not based in reality.
They need to slow walk this and wait until after January 2021.
not going to happen