Flying the Confederate Flag is NOT a Symbol of Patriotism!
The Secret of Freedom Lies In Educating The People, Where As The Secret To Tyranny Is Keeping Them Ignorant. - Rosespeirre
Would you feel safe in this mob of rabid, rowdy, fired up Trump Supporters?
Trump makes NO effort to be president of all the people, he is CZAR ONLY of Hate riddled Red Necks with Red Faces from the Red States still flying the Confederate FLAG!
I do not recall seeing the Confederate Flag flown at half-mast in Vietnam during my tour of duty, 1965-66. Do you?
How did so-called "Evangelical Christians" get so mixed up?
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Are we on the brink of another Civil War with the South and Southwest states who are fearful that the "non-white" population in America is out striping the so-called, "white population?"
there's always room for compromise. if racist goobers want to fly the dixie swastika like their pathetic cause is still in question, it should be legal for the opposition to fire weapons produced before 04/1865 at them while they're doing it.
Confederates should go back to their own country!
It's pretty bad when you can't look down and see your feet.
But it saves money on sunscreen.
Yes, BUTTT, that is a real stretch to find the kernel of good in a very bad lot of IDIOTS, deadbeats, under-educated, HATE driven "LOSERS & SUCKERS!"
I doubt Trump can look down and see his feet.
I doubt Biden can remember what he had for breakfast this morning .....
And the judges say............you are correct.
Biden does not EAT BREAKFAST!
As a former attorney, mayor, United States Senator, and Vice President, who is now, running for president Biden is too busy slapping down that incompetent POS, installed illegally in the WH with the aid of Putin.
Trump has zero experience in government, none in reference to the Constitution, and only knowledgeable about CORRUPTION, child sex scandals, hanging out with sexual predators, porn stars, and Mafia thugs from Russia.
He likely won't be able to see his tiny mushroom shaped penis either.
it usually costs him $130K to hire someone to help him find it ...
I don't think Giuliani charges that much....
I would like to think that sentiment supporting the white supremacist Confederacy will eventually die out in time but it hasnt happened completely in 155 years, so its still an open question.
At 78.9 years, and rapidly approaching my expiration date, I have witnessed a cultural change from the late 1950s to the present day and time.
I am disheartened by Donald J. Trump's blatant license to America to discriminate against Afro-Americans, Hispanics, Liberals, non-Christians, Muslims, etc.
We are not going backward, Trump is trying to take America to the Dark Ages where despots ruled, and Religion was a club in their quill.
Our challenge is to DEFEAT this Enemy of Civilization & LOCK his, fat arse mouth up till he rots in prison with his entire Crime Family, and, the leaders of this FAILED COUP!
F*** T-RUMP!
And Democrats propagated, used and defended Slavery ....... DOH!
Well, Sparty On, that was then, this is now! Where do you Stand?
I like the British just fine.
Even spent a little time serving with some Royal Marines ..... how woud they would say it?
They were good old blokes.
Indeed, the "Brits" are allies of the United States. The question is, Sparty On, are you!
Or, is your allegiance to the Confederacy?
Confederacy?
You mean the one that's been dissolved in the USA for over 150 years?
That Confederacy?
You might want to let the Southern States know that considering all the confederate flags they fly and all the confederate monuments they defend. There are many who still believe the "South will rise again!". The rotten apples didn't fall far from the diseased tree planted by the confederacy in the South and continually watered by their descendants.
No doubt that's why we're on our 100th+ days of protesting, rioting and looting in Vicksburg, Mobile, Atlanta and Charleston. But thankfully the mayor of New Orleans was finally able to get those occupiers out of the 9th ward./s
There was NO 'rioting and looting' in ANY of those cities yesterday. In fact, most of them haven't had 'rioting or looting' in weeks.
Basing an argument on bullshit makes the argument bullshit.
WTF are you talking about?
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what does protesting rioting and looting have to do with the confederacy?
My comment proves that I am not insensitive to your bullshit and that I understood it perfectly.
Aren't the extreme "peaceful protests" a response to systemic racism?
What bullshit would that be? That you're too obtuse to understand a sarcasm tag?
The one that rears its tentacles every time an angry, under-educated, self-proclaimed militia group marches with Army fatiques, automatic weapons, explosives while waving the FLAG of Traitors:
The Nazi's Swastika and the Flag of the Confederacy, that promoted slavery, killing men and women, and seizing their children to sell, because their state laws declared that Southerner Whites could own slaves legally.
And, one could do anything with their property. To this very minute, Southerners believe they can do anything they want with their property and National LAWS do not apply to them, only
That this is why RACIST is entering into its 413 years of institutionalized, White supremacy by pinheads, who have no vision, little compassion, and misguided cultural upbringings.
Oh so your claiming that the first sentence in your comment was sarcasm?
Why then did you choose to mock those cities in particular?
Nah, the whole comment was sarcastic hence the tag at the end of it😉
Doesn't it get old having to explain sarcasm---especially when you tag it as such?
Why then did you choose to mock those cities in particular?
Are you doubling down on the obtuseness of your previous post?
If you don't want to answer the question don't but please DO stop misusing the word obtuse.
I'm sure that I'm using it correctly.
You are. You also used sarcasm correctly, I caught it right away.
Go figure.
See 6.1.10.
See 6.1.12
Ah that old saw ..... boy some of you do love that comparison don't you?
I'd explain to all y'all why it doesn't apply and isn't even a remotely good comparison but don't want to ruin your little "hating on others free speech" propaganda party so feel free to carry on unabated.
Me? The only flag like that i've ever owned was on a album cover so i don't really have a dog in the hunt. Except that is to protect others free speech.
Too bad so many folks here have such trouble with that concept when their opinion simply differs.
See number 9, number 9, number 9, number 9 ..........
"Obtuse, sarcasm," man, that Thesarius must be well worn, by now.
Sarcasm is not the same as promoting racism, segregation, White Supremacy, and, BIGOTRY.
Tools of the Fools!
No, people at times need to be reminded. And, then, there are the Trump sheep that bray!
It was conservatives defending slavery.
It was liberals defending freedom.
Please stop being disingenuous.
The names of parties morph over time
So conservatives were Democrats?
So liberals were Republicans?
Stop being so confused. Democrats fought to keep slavery and Republicans fought to end it. Your attempts to, flip the script to match with your preferred agenda, is an insult to every man woman and child that died to end slavery.
What about Booth. He shot Lincoln, so, everyone with the last name of Booth must wear that stain for eternity.
Sarcastic idiot, Donald J. Trump? And, his tribe of Maroons, as my Hero, Bugs Bunny, would say, "MAROONS!"
What do you think your hero, Donald J. Trump thinks of the Confederate soldiers that lost their lives, their homes, their fortune during that War?
Would you Southerners, still smarting from the Arse Whooping in 1865, be offended if Trump referred to them as "LOSERS & SUCKERS" because they were killed for a cause, and, not MONEY?
How can you continue to justify this Obstuse and
As you may recall the Republican Party was a new political organization created during the lead up to the Civil War.
The Party of Lincoln is NOT the same as the PARTY OF TRUMP.
Trump is a MONSTER, lying mobsters, an accused child rapist, a confidante of Putin,
a wrecker of precedent, a fraud businessman sued over 4000 times for deception, lying, non-payment, cheating his suppliers, and a host of other reasons.
The Republicans, voters, and elected officials DO NOT get to hide behind the achievements of past Republicans.
They are too similar to the tenets of Fascism, too void of history to know it, and, more akin to HITLER, STALIN, MUSSOLINI, MAO, The Dict-Tator of Every Nation of the world and Putin, Kim Jun Un, and the Crown Prince Butcher of Saudi Arabia.
Unhinged nonsense.
Thank you. I especially admire the "unhinged" part of your comment. "Unhinged Nonsense" would make a great title for my next book.
Is it NOT time to burn the CONFEDERATE flag?
Lol ..... correct protagonist, wrong antagonist
Technically it is, it's just not American patriotism.
Patriotism: noun - the quality of being patriotic; devotion to and vigorous support for one's country.
Those who fly the confederate flag are showing their devotion to the confederacy and showing vigorous support for confederate ideology.
Flying the confederate flag is a physical representation of support for the confederacy and you cannot remove confederate ideology from it's foundation which was made very clear by the confederacy regardless of what it's sniveling defenders today falsely claim. It should be no surprise that those defending the confederate flag would try and lie about it, they merely reflect the lying treasonous foundation laid by their confederate ancestors who were willing to attack American soldiers killing hundreds of thousands of US citizens all to protect their supposed 'right' to own other humans as cattle.
They're just mad they lost the civil war.
Democrats are a collection of loosely connected groups. They do not speak with one tongue, as the "Talking-In-Tongues Religious Right" is want to do.
Bending reality to fit into one's baked in bias is not TRUTH. It is Bull Chips spun by extremely uneducated, back hills folks, that have rarely ventured out of the "hollers," it is sad to say.
Cha-Ching!
Funny thing about Free Speech.
It's really easy to support it when you agree with what is being said and/or done.
It only gets hard when you don't.
Those here who pretend to support Free Speech, rarely support it when they don't agree with what is being said or done.
Thus illuminating the real threats to Free Speech.
How is calling those who fly confederate flags un-Patriotic a violation of free speech? Whose free speech is being taken away by rejecting confederate ideology?
I didn't see anyone calling for confederates to be stripped of their right to fly a confederate flag. I do see sane patriotic Americans condemning confederate ideology as they should. In fact this seed is representative of free speech because everyone, even confederate scum, have a right to voice their opinions and I haven't seen any opinions here no matter how distasteful being banned or blocked. There is no right that forces the rest of society to validate or agree with such sick racist opinions and we have every right to confront and condemn those opinions.
Much like confederate ideology, you illuminate nothing. This seed and comments are a fine example of freedom of speech at work. If you disagree you have every opportunity to seed a rebuttal or can comment here in dissent as you're doing, no one is stopping you.
Also, even if those running NT wanted to limit or block some comments or seeds for supporting confederate ideology, that isn't an attack on your freedom of speech rights. I know many on the right want to believe that anyone telling them that their ideology is shit claim they're being suppressed or their rights are being infringed upon, but that's likely because they don't understand the freedom of speech protected under our constitution.
Do you see anyone here trying to get congress to make a law to stop anyone from voicing their opinions? Is it illegal for privately owned companies to choose what content they allow on their platforms? Of course not, so your whole "threats to free speech" claim simply doesn't stand up to even the mildest of scrutiny.
Your rationalizations on the topic are meaningless really.
My comment stands on it's own merits and speaks to the pervasive in this place.
That said, i have no desire to get into the usual endlessly debate you seem to prefer. Nothing productive will come from that for either side.
My opinion is made and NOTHING you say is going to change that so to quote a friend of mine ..... enjoy the rest of your day now ya hear!
Your claim that some here aren't supporting freedom of speech was meaningless because it was without merit. No one here is violating the 1st amendment or even suggesting such a thing. Your attempt to deflect from that fact is noted.
What exactly is "the pervasive in this place"? Are you saying some sort of violation of free speech is pervasive? Because it's not only no 'pervasive', it's non-existent.
That's fine, but you're essentially admitting that you aren't being silenced and can debate if you wanted to, you just don't feel it would be 'productive'.
And no one is forcing you to accept the facts being presented, you can deny them all day, that's your right and no one is trying to silence you. And it's all the other peoples rights who have commented here to disagree with your opinions just as you disagree with theirs.
Thank you, I will and may you do the same.
Scholars are never unmoved by additional facts. Bigots are!
Scholars are never unmoved by additional facts. Bigots are!
Beware of scholars who claim to be unbigoted ...... especially in these times .....
Beware of self-proclaimed political "wonks" who are delusional wannabe intellectual. They are often "the Unhinged Scholars!"
Beware or folks who to tell you to beware of people telling you to beware of scholars for in the end.
They tend to be the real unhinged self professed geniuses
Bullshit.
Calling out the CONTENT of Free Speech does NOT threaten Free Speech.
The VOICE of the self-proclaimed patriot whose delusions tell them, that they alone, as the Centennial bombers did, that they are the protectors of morality, and all others are wicked sinners.
It is a narrow, dark, dangerous view.
Oh is that what this is?
So you defend peoples right to display confederate flags wherever and whenever they want?
Right?
Yes.
Actually, NO. Perhaps you didn't understand my comment. I would and have called out that kind of speech.
Would what?
Defend their right to display that flag as they please?
It's a simple yes or no question.
Sparty On, I know that you enjoy ragging people on your extremely difficult to understand views, due to your obviously superior intelligence, but, couldn't you at least consider what other people are sharing with you, instead of dismissing everything out of hand?
The election is not a Prom Dance vote for Prom King.
It is for the soul of this nation.
Call out that kind of speech.
What part of NO didn't you understand. I guess you need me to repeat it AGAIN.
I would and have called out that kind of speech.
AGAIN, What part of NO didn't you understand?
Perhaps if you READ for comprehension, it would keep you from posting repetitive knee jerk replies. Just a thought.
Etpdnrt, where to start with that comment?
I know this may be tough for you to understand but people actually have differing opinions in this world. The fact that you call that “ragging” and “extremely difficult to understand” is very telling of much deeper problems for you.
That said, this seed is not about me or you now is it?
??? ..... you’re the only one who apparently thinks it might be.
I agree which is why I could never vote for the person who would take it in the crazy leftist direction that Biden and his handlers will try to do.
Never in a thousand years. I know ..... ain’t it cool?
Yep, knew a simple yes or no answer was completely out of your skill set.
SOSDD considering ......
The Leftist Agenda is a Red Herring.
The greatest lie the devil ever told was to convince people that he didn’t exist.
Metaphorically speaking if need be for you heathens out there.
And JFK is rolling around in his grave that you used his name in such a context. He was more of a conservative than many conservatives today but certainly wasn’t a liberal by todays standards.
Not even close
JFK was the one who proposed crafting the civil rights act which was supported by the Leadership Conference on Civil Rights, a coalition of 70 liberal and labor organizations.
“If by a "Liberal" they mean someone who looks ahead and not behind, someone who welcomes new ideas without rigid reactions, someone who cares about the welfare of the people-their health, their housing, their schools, their jobs, their civil rights and their civil liberties-someone who believes we can break through the stalemate and suspicions that grip us in our policies abroad, if that is what they mean by a "Liberal", then I'm proud to say I'm a "Liberal.” - JFK
Sounds pretty liberal to me.
Well as a Catholic he never would have condoned any term abortion much less late term as liberals do now.
I am surprised that Biden as a Catholic does.
By JFK'S day, and his own statements, he was, and remains to this day.
I have never heard a Calcified Conservative every speak approvingly of him.
On that fatefully day, November 22, 1963, seared into my being as the Day They Shot JFK, I was in boot camp in Augusta, Ga.
When the announcement came over the that he died on Dallas Texas, Southern s CHEERED!
You don't have to condone them to be a liberal, you can never choose to never get one or support someone to get one, you just have to accept that it's not your choice to make for others.
When did Biden or his wife get an abortion? As far as I know Biden merely supports the law which says it's not anyone else's decision, it's a legal choice between a woman and her doctor, anyone else can just fuck off, it's not their business. Only slimy pieces of garbage think their religious beliefs on the matter should trump other peoples choice and rights.
Well if you don't stand for what you say are your religious beliefs then you are a hyprocite.
Isn't that what is constantly preached by members of Newstalkers?
We know that Biden is not a person of good character and principles so no surprise there. He changes his mind at the drop of his handlers.
I find your point of view highly insensitive and insulting.
You are in charge of your conscience. You are not in charge of anyone else's. I assume you aren't a Catholic so I doubt you really know a lot about the faith. I was taught to examine my conscience and if I had doubts to pray about it. I'm pretty sure that's taught in all Christian denominations, tho.
I support choice. After praying and debating my conscience I left the church. However, it wasn't up to me decide who was a good Catholic or not unless I saw them doing something that was immoral, unethical, illegal, or highly dubious. Judge not lest ye be judged...I'm sure you've heard that one a time or two.
But we all know your president is a good Christian man....excuse me while I vomit
Is your religious belief to force your religious belief on others?
No. If you preach one thing but do another, such as preaching that no one should have an abortion but then in secret you get your mistress to have one, then you're a hypocrite. There is nothing hypocritical about someone who wouldn't choose to get an abortion themselves because of their own conscience or religious beliefs, but support the right of other Americans to make that choice for themselves.
What kind of utter bullshit is that? Who is this "We" you speak of, because you certainly can't include the majority of Americans in that sad and self serving "We" proclamation. You can think whatever you want, that's your choice, but you do not speak for me or millions of other Americans who think your personal opinion of Biden is just a smarmy sack of wet bullshit.
You know this HOW?
Elected politicians represent the people, NOT their religion.
You are conflating religious beliefs with religious denomination.
Perhaps by some yet all too many of the 'religious' members fail to recognize their own hypocrisy.
Who are this 'we' you pretend to speak for?
Cite an instance when Biden did so. Please be specific.
BTW, speaking of hypocrisy, I invite you do do that same for the instances when Trump changed his mind...
Trump supporters for their Religion, not the candidate. Their religion is not on the ballot. If one has any knowledge of World History, as the Founding Fathers di, one would understand why we do NOT have, or, want one.
One's religious beliefs should be worn on your heart, demonstrated in one's actions not constantly on a visual display, or, using it as a Weapon to vilify others who have a religious practice different than theirs.
You still don't seem to understand.
Along with the right to free speech comes the CONSEQUENCES of those words and/or actions. Those consequences include criticism for what one said or did.
BTW, I'm still waiting for you to tell me which country flew the stars and bars from it's inception until the civil war.
Of course, but, pushing their religious beliefs onto others in government offices, government legislations, county Board of Education, Laws, etc., in UNCONSTITUTIONAL and improper.
One's religion is a private choice, an individual choice that should be worn in your heart not constantly spat out from your tongue.
It is the Bull Chips continuously spouted by the desperate. Unsubstantiated charges with absolutely no evidence to protect the DEVIL, himself, Donald J. Trump, an Evil, Hateful, Rich Brat!
It is not a CONSTITUTIONAL right to fly the "enemy" of the United States of America's FLAG, not is it a constitutional to promote sedition.
At some point in one's life, it becomes necessary to sit down with oneself and re-examine one's self. Recitation of embedded racism is not WISDOM.
This country has BTDT and most of us have come out the other side realizing that free speech trumps most every other personal opinion. Others clearly not so much.
I do find what that flag stood for to be abhorrent but that no more gives me the right to completely strike it from the face of the earth than if I wanted to strike fanatical liberalism out of existence because I consider that an abhorrent practice as well.
Both are free speech. That you can’t handle one is your problem not the people who still want to display that flag.
Please explain to me how the hell free speech trumps most every other personal opinion?
A symbol is not a practice.
What you and yours don't seem to understand is that expressing one's 'problem' with flying the confederate flag is ALSO free speech.
We need not discuss this debate any further. MrFrost's post summed it up perfectly in a few words and visual TRUTH!
Who you gonna believe that compulsive LIAR in the WH or your own lying eyes!
Those flag-waving American citizens are not flying the flag of America, they are showing the colors of TRAITORS.
Their message is menacing, clear, and driven by a century and a half of repressed HATE that Trump releases every time that POS opens his Arse mouth.
Oh, have we pricked a sensitive nerve in the CONFEDERATE FLAG WAVING PATRIOTS who have forgotten which country they reside within.
The Confederate flag is a symbol of treason, pure and simple.