Trump Experiencing Coronavirus Symptoms
Ken Dilanian
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If Trump is experiencing symptoms, that’s a big deal. It would mean he has already crossed a threshold. One study showed that only 20% of infected people become symptomatic.
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Maggie Haberman
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Trump is said to have minor symptoms. He was lethargic at the Bedminster fundraiser, per an attendee. As of last night, officials were discussing treatment options as well as options for addressing the nation. https:// nytimes.com/live/2020/10/0 2/us/trump-vs-biden/trumps-virus-case-is-mild-so-far-with-cold-like-symptoms?referringSource=articleShare …
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One has to wonder though, how reliable are reports coming out of this White House. This is the result of 48 months of bamboozling.
You thinking that he can now "call in sick" to the final 2 debates?
NPR just reported he's doing fine and will continue to do his duties uninterrupted. I suspect he will power through it without missing a beat like Rand Paul did.
or.................he'll be like 200,000 + fellow Americans', and perish from some Democratic "HOAX"
Then the odds are on his side in a big way. Two hundred thousand out of three hundred twenty eight million gives him about a .06% chance of dying.
shouldn't the Democrats be punished in some way, for spreading some 'Fake News' ...?
Since Trump is infected, you need to compare to the number of cases (infected people), not the USA population. In the USA ~ 7.3 million people have been infected .
Trump is now one of the 7.3 million infected. Out of those infected, 207,600 have died. Thus the mortality rate is 2.8%.
Extremely good odds of a recovery still, but his age and clearly less-than-spectacular fitness are concerns.
Except, people will continue to die from the long term complications of Covid-19 long after their initial infections. The percentage who will eventually die will be higher once the virus has run it's full course through those 7.3 million people. Only a little over two hundred thousand of those have died...so far!
You should learn how to figure the morality rate for COVID19, Dean. It sure as hell isn't .06%
I can see that, but how long do you think it takes for the virus to run its full course? The 7.3 million is a running tally for the year so the vast majority of those cases are pretty old.
The actual number of infected is more like 35 million.
In the USA? A source would be helpful.
I provided mine @2.1.3
In the USA? A source would be helpful.
Yes. Only a small fraction of infections are tested and diagnosed. The idea that "official" numbers are an accurate reflection of the actual number of infections doesn't withstand the slightest scrutiny.
Sean, I provided a source that tallied actual cases of infection in the USA.
You provided a statistical estimate which was trying to identify the level of herd immunity in the USA.
Do you really think a statistical estimate is more accurate than the actual tally of cases?
By the way, if one were to go by the stats you offer, that makes Trump's handling of the pandemic even worse. You are, in effect, arguing that Trump's leadership has resulted in 10% of the USA being infected.
Seems like something you would not want to argue, right?
Yes. That's how science works. Do you have a substantive argument against the study?
So let's be clear, you think everyone who has had covid has been been tested and diagnosed? Can you find a single reputable epidemiologist to make that claim? I can't believe I have to discuss this after six months of dealing with the virus, but many people have very minor symptoms that don't require medical intervention. No one knows exactly how many cases there have been. No one. The best estimate we can come up with are using advanced statistical models like the one I posted, not stone age counting on fingers of the subset of cases that actually go through the process of getting tested.
You've just validated Trump's argument about not testing. You don't get tested, the case doesn't exist to people who don't understand what going on. They think countries that don't test, don't have the virus. Sad but true.
You are, in effect, arguing that Trump's leadership has resulted in 10% of the USA being infected.
I'm not a premodern man who blames witches for crop failure, so I don't believe Trump has supernatural powers that makes him responsible for everything that happens. His handling of the pandemic is not "worse" because I use more accurate numbers that reflect reality. Less than 1% of those infected have succumbed. That's the reality of this disease.
No, I have a substantive argument against you favoring a statistical estimate designed to gauge herd immunity over actual reported cases of COVID-19 infections submitted by the states of our union.
No, that is not what I am saying. I am saying that actual reported cases is a much stronger metric than indirect statistical estimates.
See? I cannot believe you are trying to argue that statistics are better than actual tallies. Amazing.
Deflection
Real simple since you are desperately spinning (something I despise):
Given the actual tally of cases of COVID-19 infections in the USA, 7.3 million people have been infected. That is, 2.1% of the population has been infected.
If we take your statistical estimate, then 10% of the population has been infected.
Would Trump prefer to preside over 2.1% infection or 10% infection? Take your time to think about it.
No, your argument is basically statistical modeling (the basis of advanced epidemiology) is bad. There's nothing substantive about it. You believe the virus only exists in those who are tested. No tests, no virus. It works for many countries in the world, and sadly, people fall for it.
I am saying that actual reported cases is a much stronger metric than indirect statistical estimates.
Find a single epidemiologist who believes that. That's not how this works. The world is not as simple and orderly as you seem to think it is.
cannot believe you are trying argue that statistics are better than actual tallies. Amazing.
As any knowledgeable person would. Again, you are aware that many infected people are symptom free and don't get tested, right? Seems like anyone who grasps that would understand how silly it is to believe that tallying only those who seek out a test (and have access to one) will provide an accurate answer of the spread of a disease.
Deflection
Not at all. You brought up Trump. It's not my fault if you represent the kind of person he was talking about talking about who believe we have less cases if we have less testing. . Apparently, people don't actually have the virus without a test confirming it, so getting rid of testing gets rid of the virus. Problem solved.
7.3 million people have been infected. That is, 2.1% of the population has been infected.
You know that's not true, yet you cite it. Sad.
Take your time to think about it.
You call trump a deflection and then go back to him again. This may be asking too much, but is it better if the disease has a mortality rate of 2.8% or less than 1%?
My corroborated argument is that the reported cases of COVID-19 in the USA are currently 7.3 million; that is 2.1% of the population. And that of those, 207,600 have died. Thus the mortality rate is 2.8% — 2.8% of those infected wound up dying.
You cite a statistical sampling from a study of herd immunity (just one of many studies that take place) which deems more than 90% of the USA still has not been infected. You then inexplicably ignore the actual reported metrics and declare that 10% of the USA has been infected; just because of a single indirectly related statistical study.
You are willing to tag Trump with presiding over 10% infection instead of a 2.1% infection just to spin the mortality rate down. Really?
What matters is accuracy. To spin the mortality rate to less than 1% you have to put forth an inflated number of infections. Thus you claim that Trump presided over 10% of the USA being infected when the metrics show that ~2.1% of the USA was infected.
TG, talking with these people is suicide inducing.
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I wonder why so many choose to put forth such clearly flawed arguments. Do they think an absurd argument is better than silence?
I honestly believe that they do not even recognize the absurdity.
say it me in chat bitch.
Ask nicely.
I find that difficult to believe.
You ran away.
no I didn't. wtf are you talking about?
did you not remember you messaging me?
I'm glad that NPR took the high road. This morning, people at MSNBC and CNN were nearly jumping with joy that Trump and his wife tested positive. BTW, no one has confirmed that Trump has "minor symptoms".
Trump knows 'MORE"about the Majors', than even the Generals
Correction: It's 10:48AM Eastern, and Mark Meadows just said that Trump has mild symptoms. He's the first to publicly confirm this. How did Maggie Haberman of the NYT know this hours ago ... or was she just hoping and speculating?
Point out anyone 'jumping with joy'
What the fuck dude? This is a goddamn hoax, stick to the talking point motherfucker. The "china virus" is obviously made up, or bioengineered by the Chinese government, who cares fuck you. And deaths are overinflated, the risk is minimal, and the virus has basically disappeared, don't wear masks cuz they don't work, and even though the virus has already been eradicated, a vaccine is already being given out at supermarkets for free.
Sorry, apparently I need to be a bit more apparent in my satire.
How quickly they forget!
"Trump said coronavirus "affects virtually nobody," as U.S. surpasses 200,000 deaths"
https://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=A2KLfSfgO3lfJzcA5gFXNyoA;_ylu=Y29sbwNiZjEEcG9zAzEEdnRpZAMEc2VjA3Ny/RV=2/RE=1601809504/RO=10/RU=https%3a%2f%2fwww.cbsnews.com%2fnews%2fcovid-it-affects-virutally-nobody-trump-coronavirus-rally%2f/RK=2/RS=9I1VO3EwAN1_5fG6mI14YtV9brc-
He could take this opportunity to resign. Pence could then pardon trump and his family of any crimes and, "like a miracle" they will all go away.
If the next debate happens, it would be done remotely. At least the moderator can hit the mute button when Trump interrupts and talks over Biden.
And, of course, vice versa................if they will.
No big deal, this is all a liberal hoax. The totally fake virus from China, created in a lab, but not at all real and hurting stock market numbers gives Donald TRUMP MY SUPPORT.
I mean, if he can run America like he did his casions, then why the fuck not?