YouTube pulls Florida governor's video, says his panel spread Covid-19 misinformation
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Video of Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis and a panel of scientists apparently trading in Covid-19 misinformation has been pulled from YouTube.
The video of DeSantis' roundtable discussion last month at the state Capitol in Tallahassee was removed on Wednesday because it violated the social media platform's standards, YouTube spokesperson Elena Hernandez said.
It had been embedded in a Tampa-area TV station's news story and it's removal was flagged by the American Institute for Economic Research, a "free market" think tank based in Great Barrington, Massachusetts.
"YouTube has clear policies around Covid-19 medical misinformation to support the health and safety of our users," Hernandez said in a statement. "We removed AIER's video because it included content that contradicts the consensus of local and global health authorities regarding the efficacy of masks to prevent the spread of Covid-19."
Hernandez said YouTube only allows videos "that otherwise violate our policies to remain on the platform if they contain sufficient educational, documentary, scientific or artistic context."
"Our policies apply to everyone and focus on content regardless of the speaker or channel," Hernandez said.
DeSantis's press secretary Cody McCloud called YouTube's move "another blatant example of Big Tech attempting to silence those who disagree with their woke corporate agenda."
"YouTube claimed they removed the video because 'it contradicts the consensus of local and global health authorities,' yet this roundtable was led by world-renowned doctors and epidemiologists from Oxford, Stanford, and Harvard, all of whom are eminently qualified to speak on the global health crisis," McCloud said. "Good public health policy should include a variety of scientific and technical expertise, and YouTube's decision to remove this video suppresses productive dialogue of these complex issues."
Dr. Jay Bhattacharya of Stanford University, one of the scientists on the panel, said this "was a policy forum, in which it is appropriate to consider both the benefits and costs of a policy (child masking) when making judgments and recommendations."
"YouTube's censorship of our discussion is contrary to American democratic norms of free expression," the professor said in an email. "It is also a violation of basic standards of scientific conduct, which stand in opposition to unreasoned silencing of contrary views and require the free exchange of ideas."
Earlier, AIER editorial director Jeffrey A. Tucker insisted in an article Wednesday on the think tank's website that YouTube censored DeSantis and the scientists and called it "the latest attack on public health information."
Many public health experts, however, have accused Bhattacharya and the other scientists on the panel with DeSantis — former Trump White House coronavirus advisor Dr. Scott Atlas; epidemiologist Sunetra Gupta; and Dr. Martin Kulldorff — of spreading public health misinformation. NBC News has also reached out to Tucker, Atlas, Gupta and Kulldorff for comment.
NBC News did not see the video before it was removed. Tucker first reported its removal.
But based on a transcript provided by YouTube, it appears the participants ran afoul of the platform's standards when DeSantis asked whether children in school should be wearing masks and Kulldorff replied, "Uh, children should not wear face masks, no. They don't need it for their own protection, and they don't need it for protecting other people either."
Less than a minute later, Bhattacharya chimed-in, saying that mask-wearing "is developmentally inappropriate and it just doesn't help on the disease spread."
"There's no scientific rationale or logic to have children wear masks in school," Atlas said six minutes later.
That language also appears in the transcript posted by Tucker with his article.
Those claims run counter to the recommendations of the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, which advises that "people age 2 and older should wear masks in public settings and when around people who don't live in their household."
The World Health Organization recommendations are a bit looser for younger children, but kids age 12 and over "should wear a mask under the same conditions as adults."
All the scientists in the video but Atlas are signatories to The Great Barrington Declaration, which was sponsored by AIER and which opposed lockdowns and argued that society would build herd immunity against Covid-19 if all but people over age 70 "resume life as normal."
Atlas, who is a radiologist, not an epidemiologist, was especially critical of mask wearing to prevent the spread of Covid-19.
Many of the world's leading scientists denounced The Great Barrington Declaration as a "dangerous fallacy unsupported by scientific evidence." And later, then-President Donald Trump's CDC chief, Dr. Robert Redfield, was overhead by NBC saying of Atlas, "Everything he says is false."
The Trump administration embraced that thinking, as did DeSantis, who was criticized by public health experts for being slow to shut the state down and for reopening the state too soon. Most of the Covid-19 deaths and cases were recorded in Florida after DeSantis visited Trump in the White House last April and prematurely, as it turned out, declared victory over the virus.
As of Friday, Florida had reported more than 2 million Covid-19 infections and nearly 35,000 deaths since the start of the pandemic, according to the latest NBC News numbers. It also has the tenth highest Covid-19 infection rate in the country, according to Becker's Hospital Review.
DeSantis in the AIER transcript agreed with his panelists that lockdowns were ineffective at stopping the pandemic, saying "there's really not a lot of positive to balance it out when you compare the severe lockdown states to other states which weren't locked down or other countries like Sweden, which had adopted a different approach."
Sweden initially opposed lockdowns but began imposing restrictions about six months ago after the number of Covid-19 cases and deaths soared, especially in comparison with its Scandinavian neighbors.
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Are people really still this ignorant to the FACTS about this virus, or what ? Trump's stupidity just keeps on keeping on. A salute to Facebook for stopping this BullShipfrom sailing further.
Yes! Yes they are! Profoundly ignorant and willfully so! I've said it before, never underestimate the stupidity of the American people.
I proudly stand with De Santis and his panel of medical experts who are right on in everything that they have to say.
What medical experts?
They're not epidemiologic or infectious disease experts.
They know enough on the present issue to make the comments that they did from an informed position. Censoring them is an act of intolerant stupidity done by bigots. There is no excuse for it. How’s New York, New Jersey, Michigan all doing compared to Florida in dealing with all this?
Fauci is and he has flipped flopped on pretty much every scenario...and the left lap him up like some sort of savior.
Fortunately there’s Rumble, Gab, Parker, CloutHub, etc. out there to get the truth out to the people. Just like talk radio and cable news ended the mainstream biased news media monopoly, the above will end the big tech social media monopoly as will Trumps new creation. The attempts to censor and silence other points of view and engage in content control and viewpoint discrimination are being resisted as the De Santis medical panel discussion is being widely spread anyway. In fact the act of attempted censorship actually likely spread it further and wider than if you tube had said and done nothing.
Then by your own admission...nothing was 'cancelled'.
Except on You Tube...
Or... Since he's the Governor he can just call a press conference.
I’m sure that he did.
Because states following their advice are doing so much worse than the big blue states who worshipped after Lord Fauci and governors lockdown...
DeSantis is a mini-me Trump and having Atlas on this panel is insane.
COVID cases are on the rise once again in Florida. Yesterday we had 7939 new cases and 86 deaths. The positivity rate is also on the rise it's now 9.8%.
Governor DeSantis, in my opinion, along with many other governors-especially red-states are playing a dangerous game with a long-term strategy of pulling this country apart into two countries. Eventually, red-state " (white) grievances" will materialize in draft and formal forms announcing a need to literally depart from this union of 50 states.
Credit goes to a former GOP conservative: Divided We Fall: America's Secession Threat and How to Restore Our Nation Hardcover – September 22, 2020 by David French (Author)
I don't really trust any republican, governor, or otherwise, to tell the truth, about anything
I don't really trust any democrat, president, governor, speaker, or otherwise, to tell the truth, about anything
So you listen to your experts, leaders, politicians, and media and I’ll listen to mine
One should not follow either. That is partisan non-thinking. Think for yourself. If you think that the Rs are always correct and the Ds are always wrong then that is extreme, blind partisanship.
And to trust what Trump says as truth is beyond irrational; it flies directly in the face of well-established facts to the contrary.
One should not follow either. That is partisan non-thinking. Think for yourself. If you think that the Ds are always correct and the Rs are always wrong then that is extreme, blind partisanship.
And to trust what Biden says as truth is beyond irrational; it flies directly in the face of well-established facts to the contrary.
Do you truly have no concept of how foolish ...
... it looks when you simply parrot the comments of others in a ...
... 'I know you are but what am I' fashion?
Nope. Just calling you out for your obvious bias. When a conservative and a liberal both say virtually the same thing directed at the opposing side, and you consistently only call out the conservative. That double standard on your part was simply being pointed out. I’m going to do it every time and could not possibly care less if you like it or not. I will not be singled out by you. Period.
Being insulted by you is a badge of honor for me. Thanks!
MAGA, how is it that you do not comprehend that partisanship does not apply exclusively to Rs? Partisanship applies to both (indeed all) parties. There are R partisans and D partisans, for example. Partisan thinking (i.e. mindlessly carrying the water for a political party) IMO is not good under any circumstances.
There are a few (still) whose history of comments are consistently nothing more than attempts to trigger others, generalizations or unthinking partisan / religious bias. Yours, IMO, happen to meet those conditions (and others). Almost uniquely at this point. For example, is there anyone else who actually believes Trump won the election (and by a landslide)?
Sure you will.
In all of the many years that I have been reading your seeds and posts you have done nothing but spread far right wing lies and propaganda.
Pretty much seems like a steady job for you.
Except you don't have any.
Actually I do.
just to name two.
Is it okay to point out that Elena Hernandez and the staff at YouTube are not epidemiologists? The YouTube staff aren't capable of assessing the technical and scientific merits of what is presented. YouTube is using echo chamber metrics to make judgements about censorship.
This particular incident is really quite superficial. Echo chamber metrics are being used to filter all scientific communication to the public in the popular press. What should be concerning is that this echo chamber approach to censorship is creeping into the scientific literature, too. Scientists are not being allowed to communicate with other scientists based upon consensus views of echo chamber metrics.
What the hell are echo chamber metrics?
Did you make that up?
Those advocating censorship use the term 'consensus' because it sounds better. But a consensus is still based upon what a majority believes and accepts regardless of their qualifications. A consensus is just an echo chamber of opinion.
No, a consensus is just a majority opinion.
So the opinion of a majority of morons!
It’s an echo chamber if views not in that majority are not allowed or are content controlled or discriminated against based upon viewpoint differences. Big tech social media are voluntarily turning themselves into echo chambers by doing things like what the seeders article describes.
In the case of the controllers of you tube, Facebook, and Twitter you are exactly right! Morons all.
Hardly. Their playground, their rules.
For now. They are going to soon be regulated as a common carrier engaged in a business requiring public accommodations. It will come to the point that they can’t exclude any lawful person, expression, or viewpoint as a cost of being in business at all. Justice Thomas implied recently that the SCOTUS is looking at this.
Still denying the scientific method I see.
MBFC is a contributor to them.
Bull. Youtube is but one platform. No one is stopped from spewing misinformation other ways. Nor are scientists stopped from communicating with each other.
The truth is getting out on other smaller platforms. You tube is simply biased propaganda for its own allowed points of view.
There are far too many far right wing web sites that provide disinformation.
And when President Trump creates his own multitasking multimedia internet social media platform the playing field will change dramatically and those big tech social media sites engaging in view point discrimination, content control and other gateway censorship will lose a lot of members as Facebook and Twitter already are but on a much larger scale. Conservatives and evangelical Christians will not compromise our beliefs, ideas, or feelings to go along to get along on those platforms. I can’t wait to see what Trump brings us this summer to augment Parler, Gab, MeWe, CloutHub, Telegram, Rumble etc. soon NewsTalkers and places like it will be the only place people as diverse as you and I will come together to discuss and debate issues from 180 opposing viewpoints
So very well said!
No, never.
We will have to agree to disagree
No, I always disagree with you. You're on the wrong side of any issue
No, you are wrong and I’m not. I am right all the time on every issue.
That's funny coming from someone who is on the wrong side of everything.
Ear, far, far right on every issue.
From global warming to evolution to god I've never known anybody to be more wrong.
Actually my views are anything but far right according to any political measurement test. On the one test (political compass) we are all familiar with I am around +6 on right left national issues like business taxes national defense economic matters and right around +/- 0 on the authoritarian libertarian line. That makes me a moderately conservative person.
Desantis is a Trumptard so of course he emulates his hero via disinformation.
But no one will complain or say anything about Gov. Desantis' misinformation, whci can jeopardize public health? It seems "Big Tech" YouTube is being much more responsible and cognizant of public welfare than a politician who is supposedly supposed to serve the public.
Except for, you know, Covid.
The state motto should be changed from "The Sunshine State" to "The Covid State."
Florida is a big state with a lot of people. Were you aware of that?
Yes, and your point is? Almost 10% of the state's population has contracted Covid. Public misinformation and resistance to simple preventative measures will not help reduce the number of infected.
Yes, and your point is?
I assumed you were trying to make an objective, rational argument, and in order for that to be the case, you'd have to believe every state has the same number of people to believe Florida's covid numbers are exceptionally bad.
But I see you are just engaging in partisan hysterics, emotionally lashing out to call a state that has lower a than average death rates, "The covid State." No objective analyst of the covid outbreak would call with the 25th highest rate of infections and that is 28th in deaths per capita a state the "covid state" That's just an absurd abuse of data for partisan purposes. So, if you insist on engaging in histrionics and labeling a state the "covid state, at least be objective and stop spreading misinformation. . New York and New Jersey have seen almost twice the number of their citizens per capita die as Florida. IF you care about accuracy, label one of them the covid state.
This article is about Florida and its Governor's misinformation.
And I see you're just engaging in trolling. Sorry, not interested.
Sean and I are not trolling on this thread.
That's a matter of opinion.
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Stop deflecting. you cited numbers to bizarelly claim that Florida was the "covid state. " Granted since one can't make a logical arguement that Florida should be called the "Covid state" I can see why you'd want to distract from your emotion driven claims about Florida's pandemic record.
nd I see you're just engaging in trolling. Sorry, not interested.
Not at all. I'm using data to make logical arguments. You, on the other hand, are not.
Here’s some more info for the branch covidians who want to lock us all up, compel the wearing of face diapers and all.
I suppose the concept of "tongue-in-cheek" eludes you.
Did you have something to say?
You bet. The more states open up the lower their cases, hospitalization, mortality rates are while the more they mandated masks and forced closures and insist on passports the higher their cases, hospitalizations, and mortality rates. I guess we should have more super spreader events to drive our rates down further.