UPDATE ============ Daunte Wright death in Minnesota traffic stop sparks unrest

  

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Via:  john-russell  •  2 months ago  •  85 comments

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  UPDATE    ============   Daunte Wright death in Minnesota traffic stop sparks unrest
BROOKLYN CENTER, Minn. (AP) — A Black man died after being shot by police in a...

UPDATE

Astounding new information has emerged in this case. 

Wright was apparently shot by accident. 

He was not shot while driving away, but before he drove away. The car door was open as Wright broke free from the cops and got back in his car. A female police officer reached for her taser and shouted "taser taser" to let her fellow cops know she was using her taser. 

Instead of her taser though, she had drawn her gun and she mistakenly shot him with a bullet. 

The car then drives off. 

This video was just shown by the police chief. 

By the way the female officer seems to be distraught by having shot him. 


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BROOKLYN CENTER, Minn. (AP) — A Black man died after being shot by police in a Minneapolis suburb during a traffic stop and crashing his car several blocks away, sparking violent protests that lasted into the early hours Monday as officers in riot gear clashed with demonstrators and the man's mother called for calm.

The man was identified by family as 20-year-old Daunte Wright, and he died Sunday in a metropolitan area already on edge and midway through the trial of the first of four police officers charged in George Floyd's death. Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz tweeted he was praying for Wright's family "as our state mourns another life of a Black man taken by law enforcement."

Speaking before the confrontation in Brooklyn Center between protesters and law enforcement, Daunte's mother, Katie Wright, attempted to curb any unrest.

"All the violence, if it keeps going it's only going to be about the violence. We need it to be about why my son got shot for no reason," she said to a crowd near the shooting scene. "We need to make sure it's about him and not about smashing police cars, because that's not going to bring my son back."

Police didn't immediately identify Wright, but protesters who gathered near the scene waved flags and signs reading "Black Lives Matter." Others walked peacefully with their hands held up. On one street, written in multi-colored chalk: "Justice for Daunte Wright."

Brooklyn Center police said in a statement that officers had stopped a motorist shortly before 2 p.m. Sunday. After determining the driver had an outstanding warrant, police tried to arrest the driver. The driver reentered the vehicle and an officer fired at the vehicle, striking the driver, police said. The vehicle traveled several blocks before striking another vehicle.

The account of the shooting from Wright's family differed, with Katie Wright saying he was shot before getting back into the car.

Court records show Wright was being sought for fleeing from law enforcement officers and for possessing a gun without a permit during an encounter with Minneapolis police in June. In that case, a statement of probable cause said police got a call about a man waving a gun who was later identified as Wright.

Police said the Hennepin County Medical Examiner's Office will release the name of the person who died Sunday following a preliminary autopsy and family notification. A female passenger sustained non-life-threatening injuries during the crash. Brooklyn Center is a city of about 30,000 people located on the northwest border of Minneapolis.

Katie Wright said that passenger was her son's girlfriend. Wright said her son called her as he was getting pulled over.

"All he did was have air fresheners in the car and they told him to get out of the car," Wright said. During the call, she said she heard scuffling and then someone saying "Daunte, don't run" before the call ended. When she called back, her son's girlfriend answered and said he'd had been shot.

Demonstrators gathered shortly after the shooting and crash, with some jumping on top of police cars and confronting officers. Marchers also descended upon the Brooklyn Center police department building, where rocks and other objects were thrown at officers, Minnesota Department of Public Safety commissioner John Harrington said at a news conference. The protesters had largely dispersed by 1:15 a.m. Monday, he said.

About 20 businesses had been broken into at the city's Shingle Creek shopping center, Harrington said. Law enforcement agencies were coordinating to tame the unrest, he said, and the National Guard was activated.

Brooklyn Center Mayor Mike Elliott announced a curfew in the city that expired at 6 a.m. Monday. In a tweet he said, "We want to make sure everyone is safe. Please be safe and please go home."

Police said Brooklyn Center officers wear body-worn cameras and they also believe dash cameras were activated during the incident. The department said it has asked the Bureau of Criminal Apprehension to investigate.

The trial of Derek Chauvin, the former Minneapolis officer charged in Floyd's death, was slated to continue Monday. Floyd, a Black man, died May 25 after Chauvin, who is white, pressed his knee against Floyd's neck. Prosecutors say Floyd was pinned for 9 minutes, 29 seconds.

Harrington said more National Guard members and state law enforcement personnel would be deployed around the Twin Cities and in Brooklyn Center in addition to personnel already in place for Chauvin's trial at the Hennepin County courthouse in Minneapolis.

There was no visible increase in the already high security presence on Monday morning outside the courthouse, which was fortified ahead of Chauvin's trial with tall fencing topped with barbed wire, coils of razor wire between the fences and concrete barriers. National Guard troops with military vehicles, sheriff's deputies and county security guards continued to stand watch.

Meanwhile, all Brooklyn Center students will be instructed online Monday because school buildings will be closed, Brooklyn Center Community Schools Superintendent Carly Baker said in a statement.

"We are focused on taking steps in the moment. I haven't entirely processed the tragedy that took place in our community and I'm prioritizing the safety and wellbeing of our students, families, staff members and community members," Baker said. "We know our community experienced trauma and we need the time and space to process."


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JohnRussell
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1  seeder  JohnRussell    2 months ago

Was Daunte Wright a violent threat to the community as he drove away?   Any shot at someone driving away from you in a car is a shot to kill, because it isnt possible to "shoot to wound" in such a circumstance.  If it was a warning shot, why not shoot into the air and see if he stops? 

 
 
 
Greg Jones
Masters Expert
1.1  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @1    2 months ago

Where in the article did it say he is driving away. Maybe he was still sitting in the car and made a sudden move, and that was the reason he got shot: In what party of his body did he got shot. Why was he resisting arrest for the warrant. And from the police call he apparently was armed. All we can be sure of is that the cop felt threatened.

This case is barely under investigation and some people are making assumptions based on incomplete evidence or the lack of it.

 
 
 
zuksam
Sophomore Silent
1.2  zuksam  replied to  JohnRussell @1    2 months ago
Was Daunte Wright a violent threat to the community as he drove away? 

That's a judgement call probably based on his actions during the escape and the charge on the arrest warrant. If the warrant was for unpaid parking tickets then the perceived threat would be much less than if it were a weapons charge or violent offense.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
2  Vic Eldred    2 months ago

Why would we be reading this today?  

"A Black man died after being shot by police", oh yes there it is!

There is that common thread that runs though all these rare incidents:

"Court records show Wright was being sought for fleeing from law enforcement officers and for possessing a gun without a permit during an encounter with Minneapolis police in June. In that case, a statement of probable cause said police got a call about a man waving a gun who was later identified as Wright."

As officers attempted to take the individual into custody, the driver re-entered the vehicle. An officer then discharged their firearm, striking the driver.  He was shot trying to dive away. Body cams were on.

Here is an idea for people who claim they need to talk to their kids about confrontations with the police - DON'T RESIST, DON'T FLEE!

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
2.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @2    2 months ago

Would you agree that any shot at someone trying to drive away is a shot to kill?  The only thing you could possibly hit on a driver from behind is the head or neck. 

Police need better training.  The cop also could have hit the passenger , who presumably is innocent. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
2.1.1  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1    2 months ago
Would you agree that any shot at someone trying to drive away is a shot to kill? 

No. I'd be aiming at the tires. That might be my limits to my temper in such a case. I'm sure once I had the thug trying to flee, I'd beat him to a pulp. That's reason # 1 why I would never be a cop.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
2.1.2  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.1    2 months ago
"No. I'd be aiming at the tires. That might be my limits to my temper in such a case. I'm sure once I had the thug trying to flee, I'd beat him to a pulp. That's reason # 1 why I would never be a cop."

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I'm sure that's not the only reason

Thug?  Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

 
 
 
Ronin2
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2.1.3  Ronin2  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1    2 months ago

Did you even read what the warrant for his arrest was for?

They weren't taking chances that he was armed.

Seems that BLM wants a different standard when it comes to the law.  

As for the passenger- if it was me I would have gotten the hell out of the car. Even if the LEO's hadn't fired there would have been a high speed chase. Know what a pit maneuver feels like? Depending on how it is done, the speeds involved, and the vehicles involved it can be as bad as being shot.

At least the passenger had the sense to tell the driver not to run.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.1.4  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Ronin2 @2.1.3    2 months ago
Did you even read what the warrant for his arrest was for?

I believe Vic posted it. 

They weren't taking chances that he was armed.

Shoot first and ask questions later? 

If Wright had an unregistered gun, an illegal gun, he also had it 5 minutes before he was stopped. What urgency had developed during that traffic stop that required the police to kill him? 

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
2.1.5  Tessylo  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.4    2 months ago
"Shoot first and ask questions later?"

That's ALWAYS the case with a person of color.

 
 
 
zuksam
Sophomore Silent
2.1.6  zuksam  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.4    2 months ago
What urgency had developed during that traffic stop that required the police to kill him? 

He violently resisted arrest and was in the process of escaping, it's a night and day difference and the suspect brought it on himself. He realized he was going to jail and he was desperate and willing to do anything including assaulting police to avoid going to jail. It seems to me that this guy wanted to get killed by the cops because he did everything he could to make it happen. If a White Republican with a MAGA hat did what he did everyone would say he deserved to get shot and they'd be right.

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
2.1.7  JBB  replied to  zuksam @2.1.6    2 months ago

Resisting arrest for a nonviolent crime is no excuse for summary execution by the cops!

 
 
 
zuksam
Sophomore Silent
2.1.8  zuksam  replied to  JBB @2.1.7    2 months ago

He was escaping and I don't know about the laws in that state but in my state the cops can and will shoot. He violently resisted and escaped what part of that is a nonviolent crime ? He was also being arrested on a warrant for a gun crime which ups the ante significantly.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
2.2  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Vic Eldred @2    2 months ago

OK Vic, how do you explain this treatment of a black army lieutenant?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBvn5kRPVC8 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
2.2.1  Vic Eldred  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.2    2 months ago
OK Vic, how do you explain this treatment of a black army lieutenant?

Do I think he was singled out for being black?  No.

Let me ask you, Perrie: When the Cambridge police were called because it looked like someone was trying to break into Henry Gates house and asked Gates to identify himself, do you think Gates flipped out because he thought they were messing with him because he was black?

One final question: Who has filled Black Americans with the idea that they are still being discriminated against?

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
2.2.2  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.2.1    2 months ago

"Let me ask you, Perrie: When the Cambridge police were called because it looked like someone was trying to break into Henry Gates house and asked Gates to identify himself, do you think Gates flipped out because he thought they were messing with him because he was black?"

WTF does that have to do with ANYTHING?

"One final question: Who has filled Black Americans with the idea that they are still being discriminated against?"

IT'S NOT AN 'IDEA' IT'S AN OBVIOUS TRUTH

 
 
 
Hallux
Freshman Principal
2.2.3  Hallux  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.2    2 months ago

The Lieutenant should have pulled over to the closest witness free dark area, thrown himself onto the ground and offered his neck for the officer to rest his donut laden knees ... ? But then the Lt. would need to balance the possibility of been shot for being uppity. It's a tough call. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
2.2.4  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.2.1    2 months ago

Vic,

I think no white male in that uniform would be treated in that way. The guy was truly scared and that is something that is truly wrong.

One final question: Who has filled Black Americans with the idea that they are still being discriminated against?

They have eyes. They know what goes on. Do you actually think that white folks can talk them into thinking this, and not events like this?

Frankly, I'm disgusted.

 
 
 
Hallux
Freshman Principal
2.2.5  Hallux  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.2.1    2 months ago
Who has filled Black Americans with the idea that they are still being discriminated against?

Um ... the folks who discriminate against them? Just a wild guess ... /S

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
2.2.6  Tessylo  replied to  Hallux @2.2.5    2 months ago
"Who has filled Black Americans with the idea that they are still being discriminated against?"
"Um ... the folks who discriminate against them? Just a wild guess ... /S"

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Vic Eldred
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2.2.7  Vic Eldred  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.2.4    2 months ago
I think no white male in that uniform would be treated in that way.

I guess we simply disagree on that one. I recall a white female veteran being shot by LE. We didn't hear a peep over it!


Do you actually think that white folks can talk them into thinking this, and not events like this?

Absolutely!  Democrats stir the pot just before every election. Progressives are teaching critical race theory.

How many Black Americans still believe Michael Brown's hands were up?  Didn't Obama and Holder go in trying to prove it?  In the end they had to admit that Brown was attempting to get control of officer Wilson's gun when he was shot.  Yet the myth lived on!

 
 
 
r.t..b...
Masters Participates
2.2.8  r.t..b...  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.2.1    2 months ago

Good gawd, man.

Your final question speaks for itself and the query, if posed in a serious attempt to get to the underlying factor is one thing.

It is obvious, however, that the question is rhetorical, devoid of any relevance to the facts that too many that daily have to confront. 

Be better.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
2.2.9  Vic Eldred  replied to  r.t..b... @2.2.8    2 months ago
Be better.

I am better - better than every progressive race baiter!


BTW, speaking of parents, where are these kids parents?




Better still, why haven't they been arrested?

 
 
 
Hallux
Freshman Principal
2.2.10  Hallux  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.2.7    2 months ago
"Progressives are teaching critical race theory."

Oh no, say it ain't so ... gotta ask Vic, is there a special key that you push and phrases like "critical race theory" insert themselves or do you simply type 'dog whistle'?

Think I prefer the American Bar Association's take on the subject:

 
 
 
Hallux
Freshman Principal
2.2.11  Hallux  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.2.9    2 months ago
" ... where are these kids parents?"

Living the American dream by working a double shift?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
2.2.12  Vic Eldred  replied to  Hallux @2.2.10    2 months ago

I try not to use the left's phrases. Today I made an exception.

The American Bar Association is another disgrace.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
2.2.13  Vic Eldred  replied to  Hallux @2.2.11    2 months ago

Maybe they should send their kids out to work.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
2.2.14  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.2.1    2 months ago
One final question: Who has filled Black Americans with the idea that they are still being discriminated against?

Vic.   

Nevermind, words escape me on this one.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
Masters Expert
2.2.15  Greg Jones  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.2.4    2 months ago

Do you actually think that white folks can talk them into thinking this

It seems like White liberals have been feeding them the notion that they are oppressed and discriminated against for decades.

Some of it is bound to stick

 
 
 
Hallux
Freshman Principal
2.2.16  Hallux  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.2.7    2 months ago
"I recall a white female veteran being shot by LE. We didn't hear a peep over it!"

Ashli Babbitt? She is still making the news.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
2.2.17  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Greg Jones @2.2.15    2 months ago
It seems like White liberals have been feeding them the notion that they are oppressed and discriminated against for decades. Some of it is bound to stick

Greg, as a general question, when did "white supremacy" as a philosophy cease to exist? 

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
2.2.18  Tessylo  replied to  r.t..b... @2.2.8    2 months ago

It's the usual deflection and projection.  

Brown was not attempting to get that killer's gun.  We only have the killer's word otherwise.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
2.2.19  Vic Eldred  replied to  Hallux @2.2.16    2 months ago
Ashli Babbitt?

The perfect answer to the notion that whites get treated differently.

 
 
 
Hallux
Freshman Principal
2.2.20  Hallux  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.2.19    2 months ago

Comparing 1 to 100s ... yeh that works Vic. @!@

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
2.2.21  Tessylo  replied to  Hallux @2.2.20    2 months ago

Comparing 1 to 1,000,000s is more like it.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
2.2.22  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.2.7    2 months ago
I guess we simply disagree on that one. I recall a white female veteran being shot by LE. We didn't hear a peep over it!

The fact that you can talk about it, means we heard about it and she wasn't in uniform either. 

And this isn't racial theory. It is a fact. I have witnessed it with my own eyes. I was following a friend who was black and he got pulled over for no apparent reason, and he was dragged out of the car and manhandled until I got out of my car to ask what was going on.

 
 
 
r.t..b...
Masters Participates
2.2.23  r.t..b...  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.2.22    2 months ago

Another example...

My son worked at a downtown LA recording studio which meant late hours. He drove a mid 90’s BMW and never had an issue making late food, late liquor runs for those booked for a session. 
One night, a new employee, who happened to be black, borrowed his car to make a similar run that my son had made hundreds of times. Within one hundred yards of leaving the studio and with no violation cited, was pulled over, removed from the car, handcuffed, held in custody, and taken to a holding facility as a suspect for stealing the vehicle. Sixteen hours later, he was eventually released but had to appear before a judge to explain his circumstance.

He did everything right, except being white.

No one, no where, at no time should be subject to such treatment. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
2.2.24  Vic Eldred  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.2.22    2 months ago
The fact that you can talk about it, means we heard about it and she wasn't in uniform either. 

We heard about it on the day it happened. She was shot and killed without the need for an explanation after 7 months of coddling leftist rioters who burned cities. That is the epilogue for whites. 


And this isn't racial theory. It is a fact. I have witnessed it with my own eyes. I was following a friend who was black and he got pulled over for no apparent reason, and he was dragged out of the car and manhandled until I got out of my car to ask what was going on.

I'm sure we can trade personal experiences with both of us getting the desired result. The fact is that there is so much "discrimination" in modern America that the likes of Jussie Smollett had to stage a "hate crime."  And BTW, he got away with it!

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
2.2.25  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.2.24    2 months ago

Projection, deflection, and denial.  Is that all you have?

 
 
 
Hallux
Freshman Principal
2.2.26  Hallux  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.2.24    2 months ago
"She was shot and killed ..."
... because she was a moron who believed Trump for 4+ years. You should be careful Vic, this site wouldn't be the same without you.

 
 
 
r.t..b...
Masters Participates
2.3  r.t..b...  replied to  Vic Eldred @2    2 months ago

So easy to say ‘don’t resist, don’t flee’ when centuries of abuse, from the institutions meant to provide for the general welfare of all citizens and repeatedly fail, inform that reaction. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
2.3.1  Vic Eldred  replied to  r.t..b... @2.3    2 months ago

It's time to get over it. Teach children as I was taught: "whatever a cop has to do to you, I'll do worse."

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
2.3.2  Tessylo  replied to  r.t..b... @2.3    2 months ago
"So easy to say ‘don’t resist, don’t flee’ when centuries of abuse, from the institutions meant to provide for the general welfare of all citizens and repeatedly fail, inform that reaction. "
Only to be shot in the head or the back 'while fleeing' while 'black'

 
 
 
r.t..b...
Masters Participates
2.3.3  r.t..b...  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.3.1    2 months ago

Again, east to say, Vic. 
How in the world could any parent do worse than shooting your child as a result of a traffic stop?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
2.3.4  Vic Eldred  replied to  r.t..b... @2.3.3    2 months ago
How in the world could any parent do worse than shooting your child as a result of a traffic stop?

Telling them not to resist would prevent it.  I'm just wondering, since the cops never get the benefit of the doubt, how would you like to have to arrest someone like Michael Brown, Rodney King or ever George Floyd?

 
 
 
r.t..b...
Masters Participates
2.3.5  r.t..b...  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.3.4    2 months ago

Cops don’t need the benefit of the doubt.

History has shown again and again and again they will be exonerated, regardless of the heinous and too often fatal ramifications of their actions. 

...that is a problem...

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
2.3.6  Vic Eldred  replied to  r.t..b... @2.3.5    2 months ago
History has shown again and again and again they will be exonerated, regardless of the heinous and too often fatal ramifications of their actions.

History?  Certainly not modern history.  Progressives have us going the other way, which is equally wrong.  Or don't you believe that Derek Chauvin is going to get convicted of the highest of the 3 charges that the frightened jury can charge him with?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
2.3.7  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.3.6    2 months ago

You are implying that Chauvin won't be convicted on the evidence, but rather because the jury will be afraid of rioting or even personal violence towards themselves. 

Have you watched the trial Vic? The evidence against Chauvin is rather overwhelming. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
2.3.8  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @2.3.7    2 months ago
You are implying that Chauvin won't be convicted on the evidence, but rather because the jury will be afraid of rioting or even personal violence towards themselves. 

Correct.

Have you watched the trial Vic?

Yes.


The evidence against Chauvin is rather overwhelming.

He is clearly guilty...of MANSLAUGHTER!

 
 
 
r.t..b...
Masters Participates
2.3.9  r.t..b...  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.3.6    2 months ago

‘frightened jury’?

chauvin could and should go away for a long time...

If so, it will be a watershed moment...a LEO officer actually held accountable for the death of a black man while in custody. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
2.3.10  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.3.8    2 months ago

He is clearly guilty of MURDER

 
 
 
Ronin2
Masters Quiet
2.3.11  Ronin2  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.3.1    2 months ago

Was your dad related to mine?

It wasn't just police. Teachers, principles, pretty much any adult or authority figure.

I had one teacher even apologize to me for giving me detention for a fight I didn't start, was badly outnumbered in, and lost pretty convincingly. My father was of two minds of it. I shouldn't have fought on school grounds (technically it was in the bus in the school parking lot); and I shouldn't have gotten the crap beaten out of me. Got grounded for 4 weeks- one week for every day of detention; had to do 100 push ups each day; and couldn't take the bus for the month- had to run to and from home to school.

If they had to go through something like that every time they stepped out of line- wouldn't be very many kids/teenagers acting up. They would be too damn tired, sore, and not have enough time.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
2.3.12  Vic Eldred  replied to  r.t..b... @2.3.9    2 months ago
‘frightened jury’?

They are all frightened, everyone, from Judge to Jury. The fear is that Minneapolis will burn again.


chauvin could and should go away for a long time...

Chauvin should be dealt with according to the law. The penalties of manslaughter are appropriate. Conviction of murder 2 or 3 would not be justice, but it is what that jury is going to come back with.


If so, it will be a watershed moment...a LEO officer actually held accountable for the death of a black man while in custody. 

You aren't looking for accountability. You're looking for "social justice."  You are using the trial as a symbol.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
2.3.13  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.3.8    2 months ago
Mr. Chauvin is charged under the doctrine known as felony murder, which allows a suspect to be charged with murder when committing an underlying felony. The charge is sometimes referred to as “unintentional murder” because the prosecutor does not need to prove malice or an intent to kill.
To convict Mr. Chauvin of second-degree murder, the prosecution needs to prove that he “was committing or attempting to commit” another felony, in this case third-degree assault, at the time of Mr. Floyd’s death.

Prosecutors will argue that when Mr. Chauvin kept his knee pressed on Mr. Floyd’s neck for more than nine minutes, causing Mr. Floyd to repeatedly say he could not breathe, he was committing third-degree assault. That felony requires the “intentional infliction” of bodily harm, or in this case an act done with the intent to cause Mr. Floyd to fear bodily harm or death.

Richard Frase, a professor of criminal law at the University of Minnesota who has   published a primer on the legal issues   in the case, wrote: “Third-degree assault is defined as any assault causing substantial bodily harm. At some point while being held down Mr. Floyd lost consciousness; prior cases have held that constitutes substantial bodily harm and poses sufficient danger to permit felony murder liability.”

What Is Derek Chauvin Charged With? - The New York Times (nytimes.com)
 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
2.3.14  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.3.12    2 months ago
"They are all frightened, everyone, from Judge to Jury. The fear is that Minneapolis will burn again."

You know this how?

When did Minneapolis 'burn' in the first place?

Don't worry, I don't/never expect you to answer with anything resembling the truth.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
2.3.15  Vic Eldred  replied to  Ronin2 @2.3.11    2 months ago
I had one teacher even apologize to me for giving me detention for a fight I didn't start, was badly outnumbered in, and lost pretty convincingly.

I remember many such incidents growing up.


If they had to go through something like that every time they stepped out of line- wouldn't be very many kids/teenagers acting up. They would be too damn tired, sore, and not have enough time.

There is no question about it. We were lucky to have the parents we had. Part of the lesson here is that there was another culture out there.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
2.3.16  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.3.1    2 months ago

'It's time to get over it.'

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Yeah, tell that to all those moms and dads of color when their children of color never come home because they got killed over a 'routine traffic stop'

Tell that to every person of color who will never see one of their loved ones again because they got killed over . . . . . . . . . . . fill in the blank for existing while Black

Get over it!

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
2.3.17  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @2.3.13    2 months ago
If they had to go through something like that every time they stepped out of line- wouldn't be very many kids/teenagers acting up. They would be too damn tired, sore, and not have enough time.

An unstable and vulnerable strategy

The   prosecutors constructed   the cases against Chauvin, Alexander Kueng, Thomas Lane and Tou Thao like an upside-down pyramid resting on a conviction of Chauvin. The main charges against Kueng, Land and Thao are as aiders and abettors to Chauvin’s alleged murder or manslaughter. If Chauvin is acquitted or the jury hangs on the charges, the prosecution of the other three officers becomes extremely difficult.

Prosecutors are aware of the instability and vulnerability of that strategy. For that reason, they fought to restore a third-degree murder claim to give the jury another option for a compromise verdict between the second-degree murder claim and the second-degree manslaughter case. In a case that is best suited for a manslaughter claim, there is a risk of overcharging a case that undermines the narrative of the prosecution. The second-degree murder claim does not require intent to murder Floyd but still requires a murder committed in the course of another felony. The third-degree murder charge requires a showing that Chauvin perpetrated " an act eminently dangerous to others and evincing a depraved mind, without regard for human life. "


 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
2.3.18  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.3.17    2 months ago

Chauvin is a murderer.  Plain and simple!

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
2.3.19  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.3.6    2 months ago

No, we progressives are moving in the right direction.

You, however, choose to live in a past that never existed, for black folks at least.  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
2.3.20  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @2.3.18    2 months ago
Chauvin is a murderer. 

There you are John!  This is what has happened to American justice in the era of the left.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
2.3.21  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.3.20    2 months ago
"Chauvin is a murderer."

You left out Plain and simple!

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
2.3.22  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.3.20    2 months ago

I am not the topic of this seed.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
2.3.23  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.3.15    2 months ago

"If they had to go through something like that every time they stepped out of line- wouldn't be very many kids/teenagers acting up. They would be too damn tired, sore, and not have enough time."

Sounds like child abuse to me.

 
 
 
MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka)
Sophomore Principal
2.3.24  MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka)  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.3.12    2 months ago
Conviction of murder 2 or 3 would not be justice, but it is what that jury is going to come back with.

That's where we differ on opinion here Vic. One of the rookies said something along the lines of, "Hey, maybe we should roll him on his side or sit him up. He's not fighting," to Chauvin and Chauvin blatantly said, "No. He's fine." To me, that's murder 2 based on the refusal to act on suggestions from other officers, because that shows he didn't care about what Floyd might have been going through. I believe, and I could be wrong, but I think that the rookie that made that statement to Chauvin was the same one that offered Floyd opened windows if he got in the back of the squad car. He appeared to be trying to deescalate, but was completely dismissed.

 
 
 
MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka)
Sophomore Principal
2.3.25  MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka)  replied to  Tessylo @2.3.23    2 months ago

Jogging / running and pushups are child abuse? If that's the case, high school gym is child abuse.

Don't get me wrong, I don't do that to my kids and my kids still respect authority; there are other ways, but I don't think that jogging / running and pushups as child abuse either.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
2.4  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @2    2 months ago
There is that common thread that runs though all these rare incidents
Like all the assaults against Asian (or Asian appearing) folks?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
2.4.1  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @2.4    2 months ago

You mean the ones that have to be made up? Or the typical crime against Asians?

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
2.4.2  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.4.1    2 months ago
Made up?
What is the 'typical' crime against Asians?
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Tessylo
Professor Principal
2.4.3  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.4.1    2 months ago

As usual, no explanations for your made up nonsense.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
3  Tessylo    2 months ago

So some continue to deny the obvious racism against folks of color and the 150% rise (since the former occupant of the White House called Co-Vid Kung Flu or the China flu/virus?) against Asian Americans.

Some folks are deaf, dumb, and blind to the truth . . . or is it willful ignorance?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.1  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @3    2 months ago

Some who claim to be more moral are immoral.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
3.1.1  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1    2 months ago
"Some who claim to be more moral are immoral."

So true!

 
 
 
Greg Jones
Masters Expert
4  Greg Jones    2 months ago

Here's what is really going on....

Most of the incidents occur when a suspect fights with cops or resists arrest. In most cases, the perps who do this are likely to be armed and already have a rap sheet. This is true no matter what race of the suspect.

From all the evidence during the last several years, the left is seemingly trying to create the false narrative that rampant and systemic racism exists and that most LEO's are racist white supremist pricks and assholes. It was Obama's game of playing the race card and his promoting the lie of overwhelming Black grievance that got this mess started. The Dems have picked up the banner are going forward with the untruth of racial inequality and injustice are trying to make it an ongoing campaign issue.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
4.1  Vic Eldred  replied to  Greg Jones @4    2 months ago

Well done!

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
4.1.1  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1    2 months ago

No, not at all.  Never.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
4.2  Tessylo  replied to  Greg Jones @4    2 months ago
Here's what is really going on....

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When folks want to know 'what is really going on', you are not the source!

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
Professor Expert
4.3  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Greg Jones @4    2 months ago

Most of the incidents occur when a suspect fights with cops or resists arrest. In most cases, the perps who do this are likely to be armed and already have a rap sheet. This is true no matter what race of the suspect.

Or they’re a black lieutenant serving their country, minding their own business, not breaking any laws, and trying to keep everyone safe during an unreasonable and unwarranted traffic stop.

That said, I’m not going to defend those who choose to run from police while they are being handcuffed for a legitimate warrant.  I just don’t get it.  Why?  Did he have a death wish?  It’s not going to work out for you no matter what.  Best case: you get away for a few minutes and wind up with more serious charges.  Worst case: you die.  I would never want to test a police officer’s ability to not make a mistake with my life.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
5  seeder  JohnRussell    2 months ago

Astounding new information has emerged in this case. 

Wright was apparently shot by accident. 

He was not shot while driving away, but before he drove away. The car door was open as Wright broke free from the cops and got back in his car. A female police officer reached for her taser and shouted "taser taser" to let her fellow cops know she was using her taser. 

Instead of her taser though, she had drawn her gun and she mistakenly shot him with a bullet. 

The car then drives off. 

This video was just shown by the police chief. 

By the way the female officer seems to be distraught by having shot him. 

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Expert
5.1  Tacos!  replied to  JohnRussell @5    2 months ago

You can train and train and train for a thing, but then when the real event happens, human beings make mistakes. She clearly thought she had her taser in her hand. 

I think maybe there could be a different approach to these problems. There seems to be a sense with police that when a arrested person breaks loose like this, it’s a crisis that needs to be solved right this second. But is that really true? As much as this guy was resisting and creating chaos, he wasn’t directly threatening the lives of anyone just yet. A more patient approach might have been good enough and he might be still be alive.

That more patient approach could still have involved the taser. If the cop had been a little more deliberate about it, and waited for her partner to get himself out of the vehicle, she might have been in less of a hurry to “do something” with her weapon and she might have noticed she had the wrong weapon in her hand.

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Expert
6  Tacos!    2 months ago

I hate to say this guy brought this on himself, but they were putting in him handcuffs. What did he think would happen? 

No, he didn’t need to be killed for his behavior - that outcome wasn’t even intended - but he had to know he was taking that risk.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
6.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Tacos! @6    2 months ago

Maybe he tried to run because he thought he was going to be the next George Floyd.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Guide
6.1.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1    2 months ago

 he tried to run because he thought he was going to be the next George Floyd.

So cops can shoot people if they think they will be the next William Evans?

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
7  Tessylo    2 months ago

"I hate to say this guy brought this on himself"

But  you did say it, so you really didn't hate to say it, did you?

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Expert
7.1  Tacos!  replied to  Tessylo @7    2 months ago

Yeah, the truth sucks sometimes. He didn’t deserved to be killed, but he alone escalated the situation. Do you deal in truth or just snarky comments?

 
 
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