Power Up: Biden scores record high approval rating among young voters, according to new poll - The Washington Post

  

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By:   Jacqueline Alemany (Washington Post)

Power Up: Biden scores record high approval rating among young voters, according to new poll - The Washington Post
'Joe Biden hasn't really changed much but it's like the 'boy next door' phenomenon: you take a second look and you see these qualities that you never appreciated before,' said John Della Volpe, who conducted the Harvard Youth Poll.

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The people


'THE BOY NEXT DOOR PHENOMENON': Young Americans are more optimistic about the future and far more approving of U.S. leadership under President Biden than during ex-president Donald Trump's tenure, according to a new Harvard Youth Poll released on Friday.

Biden has hit the highest favorability rating — 63 percent — among college students who are registered voters of any president in the youth poll's 21-year history, according to the poll.

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Sitting at an overall 59 percent approval rating with those surveyed, Biden's popularity among young voters also marks a dramatic U-turn for the 78-year-old president: at this time last year, only 34 percent of all young adults viewed Biden favorably, per the spring 2020 Harvard Youth Poll. Read the full results here.

  • "Joe Biden hasn't really changed much but it's like the 'boy next door' phenomenon: you take a second look and you see these qualities that you never appreciated before," John Della Volpe, a former Biden campaign youth vote adviser and the Harvard Kennedy School Institute of Politics polling director told Power Up. "You knew he kind of had the same values but he shares much more of your values that you might have thought before — certainly in the way he thinks about government and America and people are responding to how quickly he's been able to instill some of his values in the practice of government.
  • George W. Bush came in at 61 percent in 2003; Barack Obama at 57 percent in 2016.
  • Fifty-nine percent of 18-to-29 year old Americans approve of Biden's overall job performance; 65 approve of his handling of the coronavirus; and 57 percent of race relations, according to the poll.
  • Please join us today at 4pm EST to discuss the poll further.

Another striking development: young Americans are more hopeful about the future of America than they were in the fall of 2017 - almost a year after former president Trump took office. Only 31 percent of young Americans were hopeful about the future of America at the time and 67 percent were fearful.

Four years later, 56 percent of young Americans are more optimistic - especially young people of color.

  • "While the hopefulness of young whites has increased 11 points, from 35 percent to 46 percent - the changes in attitudes among young people of color are striking," according to a memo penned by Della Volpe. "Whereas only 18 percent of young Blacks had hope in 2017, today 72 percent are hopeful (+54). In 2017, 29 percent of Hispanics called themselves hopeful, today that number is 69% (+40)."
  • Notable: the polling was conducted before the verdict that found former Minneapolis police officer Derek Chauvin guilty of murder and manslaughter in the death of George Floyd.
  • "It wasn't long ago at all that a supermajority of young Black Americans - and almost as many Hispanic Americans - would tell me that they felt under attack in America simply because of the color of their skin," Della Volpe noted.

And for all of the caricatures of young Americans, the poll found that young people are open minded, more likely to be politically engaged than they were a decade ago and favor big government solutions to problems.

  • Thirty-six percent of young Americans are politically active, with young Black voters (41 percent) the most active among that group. That's a 12-point difference from a 2009 poll that found in the fall after Obama's election that 24 percent of young Americans considered themselves to be politically active.
  • "By a margin of nearly three-to-one, we found that youth agreed with the sentiment, 'Americans with different political views from me still want what's best for the country' in total, 50% agreed, 18% disagreed, and 31% were recorded as neutral," according to Della Volpe's memo.
  • The poll found a majority of young Americans favor government intervention on the issues of poverty, combating climate change, and health care.
  • From a messaging perspective, Della Volpe argues the Biden administration should continue to focus on "helping people who need it there's zero question that there's was a significant generational shift when Generation Z'ers came into the election on every issue supporting a bolder, strong government."

How are you, really?: But even with the infusion of optimism, young Americans are struggling with their mental health after a year of social isolation and disruption because of the coronavirus pandemic, according to the poll.

Fifty-one percent of young Americans responded that at least several days in the last two weeks, they've felt down, depressed or hopeless. And in the last two weeks, 53 percent of college students said their mental health was negatively impacted by school or work-related issues; 34 percent have been negatively impacted by the coronavirus.

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  • "19% say they feel this way more than half of the time," according to the poll. "In addition, 68% have little energy, 59% say they have trouble with sleep, 52% find little pleasure in doing things. 49% have a poor appetite or are over-eating, 48% cite trouble concentrating, 32% are moving so slowly, or are fidgety to the point that others notice and 28% have had thoughts of self-harm."
  • "Among those most likely to experience bouts of severe depression triggering thoughts that they would be better off dead or hurting themselves are young people of color (35% Black, 31% Hispanic), whites without a college experience (31%), rural Americans (34%), and young Americans not registered to vote (38%)."

: "I'd be very concerned about the poll if I was Jack Dorsey or Facebook," Della Volpe told Power Up. "Facebook and Twitter are ranked as the the least trusted institutions."

An overwhelming majority of young Americans - more than three-in-four - have little trust in Facebook or Twitter "to do the right thing," and 48 percent of young Americans believe that big tech should be regulated by the government.

  • Facebook is ranked as the least trustworthy of the 16 institutions in the survey - with only 19 percent of young Americans who trust the social media platform to do the right thing all or most of the time.
  • Young Americans also don't trust the media, Wall Street, and Congress.

As the Facebook Oversight Board decides whether to reverse a ban on former President Trump's Facebook account, it's worth noting that 58 percent of young Americans believe that political leaders should be held to stricter standards on social media than ordinary citizens. And 52 percent believe that Twitter's permanent ban on Trump's account was necessary.

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  • Related:Two-thirds of young people, but only 26 percent of young Republicans, believe that Joe Biden won the election fairly.

The policies


MORE NUMBERS: Most Americans support greater police scrutiny as discrimination concerns persist, according toa new Washington Post-ABC News poll out this morning. The poll was conducted Sunday through Wednesday, overlapping with the guilty verdict against Chauvin was delivered (late in the day).

"Six in 10 Americans say the country should do more to hold police accountable for mistreatment of Black people, far outpacing concerns about those measures interfering with how law enforcement does its job, according to a Washington Post-ABC News poll," our colleagues Scott Clement and Emily Guskinreport. The full numbers are here.

  • "The nationwide survey also finds that concerns over treatment of Black Americans and other minorities by the criminal justice system ― which spiked last summer amid national protests after George Floyd's killing ― have eased slightly since then. But those concerns remain at the highest point in previous surveys dating back to 1988."
  • "Atop a series of law enforcement killings in recent years, Floyd's death and the nationwide protests that followed appear to have shaken Americans's confidence in police. In 2014, 54 percent said they were confident police were adequately trained to avoid the use of excessive force, but that dropped to 47 percent last July and 44 percent this month, with 55 percent now saying they lack confidence in police on this question."
  • "Along with that shift, Americans now support greater scrutiny of police conduct. A 60 percent majority say the country should do more to hold police accountable for mistreatment of Black people, while 33 percent say the country is doing too much to interfere in how police officers do their job."

BIDEN SPELLS OUT CLIMATE GOAL: "In one of the most surreal summit meetings ever, President Biden on Thursday hosted more than 40 world leaders in a bid to restore the United States's damaged diplomatic reputation and to rally nations around the globe to make deeper cuts to greenhouse gas emissions," our colleagues Brady Dennis, Juliet Eilperin and Steven Mufson report.

  • The promise: "Three months after officially rejoining the Paris climate accord, the White House on Thursday unveiled a new pledge to reduce U.S. emissions between 50 and 52 percent by 2030 compared with 2005 levels."
  • But success will mean a very different America. "By the end of the decade, more than half of the new cars and S.U.V.s sold at dealerships would need to be powered by electricity, not gasoline. Nearly all coal-fired power plants would need to be shut down. Forests would need to expand. The number of wind turbines and solar panels dotting the nation's landscape could quadruple," the New York Times's Brad Plumer reports.

Biden also pledged to "spend $5.7 billion annually helping developing nations deal with climate change and propel clean energy," Bloomberg's Jennifer A Dlouhy and Ari Natter report.

  • But environmental activists say it's not enough. "This is insufficient to address the needs described by vulnerable countries today," Joe Thwaites, an associate with the World Resources Institute's Sustainable Finance Center, told Dlouhy and Natter. Activists have asked for $8 billion to $800 billion through 2030.

On the Hill


REPUBLICANS UNVEIL $568 BILLION COUNTEROFFER: "Senate Republicans on Thursday offered an early counterproposal in the nascent Washington debate over improving the country's aging infrastructure, endorsing roughly $568 billion in new spending that could be financed through higher fees on some drivers," our colleagues Tony Romm and Jeff Stein report.

  • "The plan, backed by Sen. Shelley Moore Capito (W.Va.) and other GOP lawmakers who hold key committee posts, dedicates most of its funding, totaling $299 billion, toward repairing roads, highways and bridges. That would double the amount of money that Biden put toward fixing public roadways as part of his proposal, known as the American Jobs Plan."
  • "Republicans also call for setting aside $61 billion for public transit, $44 billion for airports and $65 billion for broadband Internet access. The party's infrastructure blueprint further proposes $35 billion for water and wastewater projects, mirroring the amount they are supporting as part of a bipartisan water infrastructure bill slated to come before the Senate next week."

DC STATEHOOD BILL PASSES HOUSE, HEADS TO SENATE: "For the second time in history, the House passed legislation Thursday to make the District of Columbia the nation's 51st state, bolstering momentum for a once-illusory goal that has become a pivotal tenet of the Democratic Party's voting rights platform," our colleague Meagan Flynn reports. The bill now heads to the Senate, where the "political odds remain formidable."

  • "The Senate filibuster requires the support of 60 senators to advance legislation. Republicans, who hold 50 seats, have branded the bill as a Democratic power grab because it would create two Senate seats for the deep-blue city."
  • And "not all Senate Democrats have backed the bill."

HATE CRIME BILL FLIES THROUGH SENATE: "The Senate overwhelmingly passed legislation Thursday designed to more forcefully investigate hate crimes, particularly those against Asian Americans after the March 16 shootings at three Atlanta spas and a wave of violence following the spread of the coronavirus from China last year," our colleague Paul Kane reports. "The vote was 94 to 1. Sen. Josh Hawley (R-Mo.) was the lone no vote."

At the White House


SEARCHING FOR THE 'BIDEN DEPRESSION': "Throughout last year's campaign, President Donald Trump issued a series of increasingly dark predictions about what would happen if Biden were elected," our colleague David J. Lynch writes.

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  • "If he gets in, you will have a depression the likes of which you've never seen. Your 401(k)s will go to hell and it'll be a very, very sad day for this country," Trump said in the Oct. 22 candidate debate.
  • "Instead, the rebounding economy is headed for its best year since 1984, according to the International Monetary Fund … [and] more than 1.3 million jobs have been added since the election."
  • "Trump's wild campaign claims of an imminent depression have complicated Republican efforts to develop an economic message that can dent Biden's popular support."

In the agencies


HUD SECRETARY REVERSES ANOTHER TRUMP-ERA PROPOSAL: "Housing Secretary Marcia L. Fudge announced Thursday the withdrawal of a Trump-era proposal to allow federally funded homeless shelters to exclude transgender people by accommodating only people whose sex assigned at birth matches those served by single-sex homeless shelters," our colleague Tracy Jan reports.

  • The reversal, which enforces a 2016 Obama-era rule, protects "transgender people from discrimination — and danger — at homeless shelters because they are often denied access to an emergency shelter that corresponds to their gender identity. Transgender people already face disproportionately high rates of homelessness," HUD officials told our reporter.

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JBB
Professor Principal
1  seeder  JBB    2 months ago

The Biden administration is powering up with youths!

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
Masters Participates
1.1  igknorantzrulz  replied to  JBB @1    2 months ago

a preemptive apology for my never right written absurd, but went away high, didn't wish to come back Low   , and besides

who'd of thunk, America's Young actually get something. imho, it is mainly due to the extreme unstableness of Biden's predecessor, an incessant pants on fire LIAR LIAR Friar Tucks medicinal wipes inspire, who likes whore say over hear say cause HOW the HELL this upside down clown was not brought down by so much evidence that does and still due abound to deceit worthy of a receipt and refund for every mutha fcker Tweet this Mental Midget did excrete, cause he is an excretion of that which examples a CHEAT, a purveyor of pathetic propaganda portrayals of a pseudo reality wear he thinks his closed mine is the best the world could strip search mall with fine N dandy Decline as descending is Trump's fat ass far behind the Beyond Wheelie confusing rhode hard scholar who prefers the squalor make his bitches Holler    Back, cause he doesn't pay, up front or basically any old way, asz it be the Trump, ordinary way, as his campaign is sued yet again after the GOP refused to accept and see, that Trump is a back of his shorts lump of sorts, and that ain't coal in his shorts, irregardless of what the POS portrays and reports, asz Truth is to Trump as is a pump to a sump without a pail comparison of Trump to a simple pimp, all on the back side of his ball gagged leather hooded Gimp with whom trumps;p;ikes to take and pimp , out when they go to  Cialise in Chains together in concert with the guy Trump did wed named Zed who put into side back of Butch's rival smoothe and not rocky cause he luvs him them weiners with vanes of whether he can a Ford a Francis Ford Coopala De Villa Pent up Glass house to vent the pains ALL should have   felt, when Trump bent over, and Putin knelt  too a higher standard that was never lower or felt, asz he loosened and then removed the belt from our Heavyweight Champ peon who wished to serf the net he entangled and mangled his fly in drive buy chute tin cup of shit, as he Gulphed his weight through Mexico staring at the Walls never built to pay the way Trump did play doe to his corporate P A L S, as he now woos and wows so many Bucks while the Deer dew pay, Mountains to Move,  cause the mole hills did grow from all the seeds Trump did    SO ,  WHAT ?     When the Average "senile old nut" named Joe is a thousand times better than what Trump did display, hard to NOT SAY, America has seriously declined asz the asz did attempt to lead from behind Putins Green Door, where Trump certainly did score, four and probably seventy or so many more with the Playmates and Porn Stars shining through the Stormy wake, while we lived Trump's bad dream, and he earned Putin's cream

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Principal
1.1.1  Bob Nelson  replied to  igknorantzrulz @1.1    2 months ago
original America's Young actually get something

What have they been offered, since becoming aware of the world around them?

A sinister clown...

 
 
 
Hallux
Freshman Principal
1.2  Hallux  replied to  JBB @1    2 months ago

We shall see if those youths have maintained the voting bug in 2022. Cross your fingers.

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
1.2.1  Ender  replied to  Hallux @1.2    2 months ago

Yeah, the enthusiasm seems to lack in midterms.

It will be to their detriment if they let control go back to the republicans.

Nothing will get done at all.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Principal
1.2.2  Bob Nelson  replied to  Ender @1.2.1    2 months ago
Nothing will get done at all.

On the contrary. Much will be done to ensure that the Republicans New Fascists never again lose power.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
Masters Expert
1.2.3  Greg Jones  replied to  Ender @1.2.1    2 months ago
Yeah, the enthusiasm seems to lack in midterms.

Yep...particularly when voters realize that Biden has only made things worse

 
 
 
MrFrost
PhD Principal
1.2.4  MrFrost  replied to  Greg Jones @1.2.3    2 months ago

Yep...particularly when voters realize that Biden has only made things worse

A near impossibility, Greg. Trump was so bad that Biden could literally do nothing for 4 years and he would STILL do better than trump did. By this time in his presidency, trump had already been golfing 31 time and told over 1000 lies. Honestly, the Former Guy was the worst president in history. 

 
 
 
Gordy327
Professor Principal
1.2.5  Gordy327  replied to  Greg Jones @1.2.3    2 months ago
Yep...particularly when voters realize that Biden has only made things worse

How so? It's hard to top the failure of the previous administration's Covid response.

 
 
 
SteevieGee
Junior Silent
1.3  SteevieGee  replied to  JBB @1    2 months ago

Youths are the future.  Old white men are the past.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
1.3.1  Tessylo  replied to  SteevieGee @1.3    2 months ago

They're being 'left' behind, where they belong.  Get out of the way you old dinosaurs!

 
 
 
cjcold
Professor Quiet
1.3.2  cjcold  replied to  Tessylo @1.3.1    2 months ago

This dinosaur says kiss my pucker. I'm good for a few years yet.

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
2  seeder  JBB    2 months ago

Biden's stepped up game only disappoints comics...

 
 
 
MonsterMash
Sophomore Participates
3  MonsterMash    2 months ago

Hopefully by the midterms college students and most other Americans will realize voting for a political party that hates America and is trying to form a totalitarian government isn't a good idea.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Principal
3.1  sandy-2021492  replied to  MonsterMash @3    2 months ago

So, the Dems have been trying to void democratic elections, interfere in half the population's medical decisions, their choice of marriage partner, and have threatened (however ineffectually) the First Amendment rights of a free press and freedom of speech?

Oh, wait.  That's not the Dems.  That's either part of the GOP platform, or actions to which they acquiesced when Trump was in office.

Are you using a different definition of "totalitarian" from the actual one?

 
 
 
Greg Jones
Masters Expert
3.1.1  Greg Jones  replied to  sandy-2021492 @3.1    2 months ago
Oh, wait.  That's not the Dems.

Oh yes it is. The Dems own it.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Principal
3.1.2  sandy-2021492  replied to  Greg Jones @3.1.1    2 months ago

Dems are telling us who we can and can't marry, Greg?  Dems are making women's medical decisions for them?

Do tell us how.

 
 
 
MrFrost
PhD Principal
3.2  MrFrost  replied to  MonsterMash @3    2 months ago
Hopefully by the midterms college students and most other Americans will realize voting for a political party that hates America and is trying to form a totalitarian government isn't a good idea.

No person that runs for president hates America. No one would put up with that much shit because they hate the USA. We can quibble over minutia but at the end of the day, all presidents love the USA. Yes, even the Former Guy. 

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
3.2.1  Ozzwald  replied to  MrFrost @3.2    2 months ago
No person that runs for president hates America. No one would put up with that much shit because they hate the USA. We can quibble over minutia but at the end of the day, all presidents love the USA. Yes, even the Former Guy.

The former guy ran for president because he loves the American dollar, not for any love of country.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
3.2.2  Tessylo  replied to  MrFrost @3.2    2 months ago

The former guy loves only himself.  

 
 
 
MrFrost
PhD Principal
3.2.3  MrFrost  replied to  Ozzwald @3.2.1    2 months ago

The former guy ran for president because he loves the American dollar, not for any love of country.

That too. Sorry, I stand by what I said. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
3.3  Tessylo  replied to  MonsterMash @3    2 months ago

We learned that when the former occupant waddled out of the White House on 1/20/21

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Masters Quiet
4  Ed-NavDoc    2 months ago

In my opinion, said poll results are another worthless example of the great fallacy of political polling in DC these days. Nowhere in the seeded article did I see anywhere exactly how many people were actually polled and where the people were polled, but yet I see these figures that are supposed to represent total nationwide percentages. I hope somebody can please explain to me how and why people should be expected to believe these results. All I see is blatant manipulation of a said poll in which results from a very small %(?) of America are then fed to the American public who are expected to believe that said results actually do represent what all Americans believe. Both parties have been doing this for many years and which is why I never trust or believe any political poll results on DC politics.

 
 
 
r.t..b...
Masters Participates
4.1  r.t..b...  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @4    2 months ago

Polling has unfortunately replaced the face to face interaction between candidates and those they are supposed to represent. Add in the big money from the innumerable PAC’s and we are left with the outcome...the never ending quest to hold power, and the only group to suffer? The electorate. 

As an aside, Doc, thanks for your note a couple days ago...though we come at this from different perspectives, your respect for my opinions are never taken for granted. Apologies if my comments offended you in any way...

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Masters Quiet
4.1.1  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  r.t..b... @4.1    2 months ago

Not at all. I try never to take good intentions and well meaning for granted. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
5  Vic Eldred    2 months ago

By the fall, covid (which benefited Joe Biden via the timing of his entry into the WH) will be a less important issue and the most important issues will be the hard left policies that Joe Biden has sponsored. It will be interesting to see the polling then.

 
 
 
Hallux
Freshman Principal
5.1  Hallux  replied to  Vic Eldred @5    2 months ago

Hard left? What industries has he nationalized?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
5.1.1  Vic Eldred  replied to  Hallux @5.1    2 months ago

The moment that epitomizes his first hundred days was when his self created crisis on the border momentarily caused him to consider maintaining Trump’s cap on the number of refugees flowing into the country.  He quickly abandoned that consideration after his left-wing puppet masters yanked on his strings. Woke democrats howled in protest, and Biden reversed his reversal. It was a sad moment for the nation and a confirmation that Biden is a proxy and a captive of the left.

 
 
 
Hallux
Freshman Principal
5.1.2  Hallux  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.1.1    2 months ago

That's all you could come up with to define hard left? Pfft, woke Trumpists are howling louder than anyone, look no further than your post.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
Masters Participates
5.1.3  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.1.1    2 months ago
The moment that epitomizes his first hundred days was when his self created crisis on the border momentarily caused him to consider maintaining Trump’s cap on the number of refugees flowing into the country

Is that anything like the Foreign Invading Hordes Trump was screaming about right before and up to,      The midterm elections. Cause i don't  remeber a fckn squak or even but a squawk about them till the latest November election, where again, Trump attempted to make the Mexican "fence" the Kilimanjaro he had built, with Mexican paid monetary compensation, cause he didn't have time to move the Mole Hill over the pit, as he did, American against American cause he can, could, and did hype the Hell out of so much BULLSHIT, as into the wind he Did Spit, and so many sucked up that shit shot from A wholes mouth to mouth, cause of the Invading Hordes from down South, of the Border on the calamity of insanity Trump spread like hooker thighs on his inbred bed of Russian pist off prostituting what got Putin and came      outta Trump's big fat mouth

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
5.1.4  Texan1211  replied to  igknorantzrulz @5.1.3    2 months ago

Hell, even Biden himself fucked up and said there was a crisis at the border--even though his "team" tried to walk it back the next day.

Biden created the mess with his "policies" and doing away with Trump's policies. 

Biden OWNS it all now, and you invoking Trump to place blame on him for Biden's policies is dishonest.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
5.1.5  Tessylo  replied to  Hallux @5.1.2    2 months ago

"That's all you could come up with to define hard left? Pfft, woke Trumpists are howling louder than anyone, look no further than your post."

Never ending whining is more like it.  

 
 
 
Gordy327
Professor Principal
5.2  Gordy327  replied to  Vic Eldred @5    2 months ago
By the fall, covid (which benefited Joe Biden via the timing of his entry into the WH)

Actually, it was Trump's poor response to Covid that benefitted Biden.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
5.2.1  Vic Eldred  replied to  Gordy327 @5.2    2 months ago

Actually, it was Trump who produced the vaccine that benefitted Biden.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
5.2.2  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.2.1    2 months ago

The former occupant of the White House DIDN'T PRODUCE ANY VACCINES.  If the former occupant of the White House hadn't fucked up so badly, there probably wouldn't have been a pandemic.  

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
5.2.3  Ozzwald  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.2.1    2 months ago
Actually, it was Trump who produced the vaccine that benefitted Biden.

jrSmiley_10_smiley_image.gif   This guy?  The only thing Trump has ever produced is a late night ring around his toilet bowl.

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Tessylo
Professor Principal
5.2.4  Tessylo  replied to  Gordy327 @5.2    2 months ago
The former occupant of the White House's ZERO  response to Co-Vid.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
5.2.5  Tessylo  replied to  Ozzwald @5.2.3    2 months ago
"This guy?  The only thing Trump has ever produced is a late night ring around his toilet bowl."

And skid marks in his underwear.

 
 
 
Gordy327
Professor Principal
5.2.6  Gordy327  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.2.1    2 months ago

Trump also allowed the virus to spread virtually unchecked since it arrived. Pharmaceutical companies produced the vaccine while Trump held rallies, refused to wear masks or endorse social distancing, ignored science, and downplayed the virus as a whole, enabling the US to be the country with the highest infection and death rate in the world! That's not how I would describe "make America great again."

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
5.2.7  Tessylo  replied to  Gordy327 @5.2.6    2 months ago
"Trump also allowed the virus to spread virtually unchecked since it arrived. Pharmaceutical companies produced the vaccine while Trump held rallies, refused to wear masks or endorse social distancing, ignored science, and downplayed the virus as a whole, enabling the US to be the country with the highest infection and death rate in the world! That's not how I would describe "make America great again."

All while knowing how deadly Co-Vid was/is and allowing certain folks to benefit/PROFIT (INCLUDING HIMSELF I'M SURE) off the impending crisis/death/economic crisis.

 
 
 
321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu
Sophomore Principal
5.2.8  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu   replied to  Ozzwald @5.2.3    2 months ago
Actually, it was Trump who produced the vaccine that benefitted Biden.

Actually all trump did was override current vaccine protocols to speed up the "Emergency authorization" of a vaccine. 

Which IF he had done sooner instead of ignoring the virus for months due to his fear of the reelection would have benefited even more Americans.   

But we all know it was the scientists and laboratories that actually did the producing.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Guide
5.2.9  Sean Treacy  replied to  Gordy327 @5.2.6    2 months ago
us as a whole, enabling the US to be the country with the highest infection and death rate in the wo

Please stop the histrionics and look at the data. That's not even remotely true. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Guide
5.2.10  Sean Treacy  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.2.1    2 months ago

It's clear from reading through these replies that the anti Trump cult has lost all touch with reason and reality and has let their hatred poison their critical thinking abilities. Trump is not omnipotent, despite what his detractors believe. He's the President of a Republic with no more power to stop the spread of an infectious virus than Joe Biden.   "Stopping" the virus was always impossible after the early seeding of the country and the US has handled the virus as well as if not better than most western hemisphere countries. As anyone with access to a newspaper can tell you, the virus spread regardless of what of government do.   Demographics, density and climate all matter, not to mention luck. 

What Trump should be measured on are the things he actually could influence, namely securing vaccines and the economy. Compare Trump to Europe on vaccines and if you criticize Trump, you are an idiot. He procured  doses of the highest potency vaccines for every American  while Europe dawdled, bet On AZ and pays the price now.  Germany just announced a lockdown through June.  That's what incompetent governance yields.  Likewise, the US economy performed  better than it's competitors, (outside of the seeder of the world, China) and handed over a booming economy to his successor.   

 
 
 
321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu
Sophomore Principal
5.2.11  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu   replied to  Sean Treacy @5.2.9    2 months ago
Look at the data

I did. Here it is:

https:COVID-19_pandemic__rates_by_country

Country   ...     Confirmed cases

America              32,045,113

India                  16,960,172

Brazil                  14,308,215

France                  5,534,656

Russia                  4,699,988

Turkey                  4,591,416

Germany              3,291,293

Argentina              2,845,872

Iran                      2,377,039

Ukraine                2,071,142

Indonesia              1,636,792

Czech republic     1,618,068

Canada                1,180,065

South Africa          1,574,370

Iraq                      1,025,288

I'd say America did rather poorly..

And that's quite the understatement. 

 
 
 
321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu
Sophomore Principal
5.2.12  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu   replied to  Sean Treacy @5.2.10    2 months ago
He's the President of a Republic with no more power to stop the spread of an infectious virus than Joe Biden. 

Yet trump denied there even was a problem for months as the virus took hold. 

I guess HIS reelection was more important. Too bad trump didn't act presidential, he may have won. 

trump trumped trump

right out of office. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Guide
5.2.13  Sean Treacy  replied to  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu @5.2.11    2 months ago

The original quote was, of course, that the US had the highest infection and death rate in the world. That's nonsense. and your link doesn't even address that.

Do you think India, Brazil and Russia, for instance, are doing are counting infections and deaths accurately?  

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
5.2.14  Ender  replied to  Sean Treacy @5.2.10    2 months ago

Talk about revisionist history...

 
 
 
321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu
Sophomore Principal
5.2.15  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu   replied to  Sean Treacy @5.2.13    2 months ago
That's nonsense. and your link doesn't even address that.

Do you have a link that shows otherwise ? 

 
 
 
321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu
Sophomore Principal
5.2.16  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu   replied to  Sean Treacy @5.2.13    2 months ago
are doing are counting infections and deaths accurately?  

I wonder if any country is including our own. But what reporting we have is what reporting we have. 

 
 
 
r.t..b...
Masters Participates
5.2.17  r.t..b...  replied to  Sean Treacy @5.2.13    2 months ago

When will we be done with recounting the obvious?

Whether it an election or the number of citizens either dead or infected by a disease that would surely pass when the temperature rises?

A year out and the apologists still grasp at straws. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Guide
5.2.18  Sean Treacy  replied to  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu @5.2.12    2 months ago
Yet trump denied there even was a problem for months as the virus took hold. 

The virus "took hold" with community spread, in January and the first case wasn't even diagnosed until the end of February.  The game was already up at that point. The idea that a President can stop a virus from spreading is silly.  Just look at  Germany which was spared the initial seeding that hit the US and with months to prepare, Germany, France etc couldn't stop the virus.  

The idea that Trump could have "stopped" the virus with some undefined course of action is simply preposterous. The only thing that stops the virus in a republic  is vaccination and or natural immunity.   

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
5.2.19  Tessylo  replied to  Sean Treacy @5.2.18    2 months ago

I still can't believe the 'trumpsplanations'.  Defending the indefensible.  The former occupant of the White House can do no wrong to some.  Over 500,000 needless deaths thanks to him.  

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Guide
5.2.20  Sean Treacy  replied to  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu @5.2.16    2 months ago
wonder if any country is including our o

No country is perfect, but the reporting in the US is of a much higher standard than India and Brazil. And of course, Putin is covering up his totals. Why anyone would make an argument that relies on Putin's honesty is beyond me. 

Here's an article from today demonstrating the problems India is having keeping up with the "Covid tsunami" of deaths. 

"Although many countries have struggled to record the precise number of COVID deaths, in India, the problem has been compounded by the lack of an effective death registration system in many parts of the nation.

Most deaths in the country are not assigned a cause by a trained medical professional , making data on case fatality ratio unreliable. " 

n. B ut what reporting we have is what reporting we have. 

But if you know it's wrong, why would you ever base an argument on it?  No data is better than wrong data.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
5.2.21  Tessylo  replied to  Ender @5.2.14    2 months ago
"Talk about revisionist history..."

And deflection and projection - typical

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
5.2.22  Tessylo  replied to  Sean Treacy @5.2.20    2 months ago

Why anyone would make an argument that relies on trumpturd's honesty is beyond me.  

 
 
 
321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu
Sophomore Principal
5.2.23  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu   replied to  Sean Treacy @5.2.18    2 months ago
The idea that a President can stop a virus from spreading is silly.

The idea that a president could have negated the crisis by being truthful is IMO: very real. 

Ignoring any problem allows that problem to grow.

trump didn't care he was much more interested in being reelected and as I said IF trump would have acted presidential from day one he may have been. 

trump trumped trump 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Guide
5.2.24  Sean Treacy  replied to  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu @5.2.23    2 months ago
The idea that a president could have negated the crisis by being truthful is IMO: very real. 

Okay. Explain how words stop a  virus in America when Trump is President, but not in any other part of the world or when Biden is President. 

What magic words could Trump have used to end the virus? 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Guide
5.2.25  Sean Treacy  replied to  Tessylo @5.2.22    2 months ago

ne would make an argument that relies on trumpturd's honesty is beyond me. 

Imagine thinking I am.  How did you get this confused?

 
 
 
321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu
Sophomore Principal
5.2.26  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu   replied to  Sean Treacy @5.2.20    2 months ago
But if you know it's wrong, why would you ever base an argument on it?

I said "I wondered" I didn't say it was wrong. Considering that is what numbers that have been  complied and available why not use them ?

Do you have any proof these numbers are inaccurate ? 

If so I'd love to see it. 

Seems you are arguing on your own believes. Where I looked up and used available reported numbers. 

 
 
 
321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu
Sophomore Principal
5.2.27  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu   replied to  Sean Treacy @5.2.24    2 months ago
What magic words could Trump have used to end the virus? 

Did I say end ?

No I didn't.

The words coming from the most powerful human on earth "The virus is real and deadly"  may have made a difference, But we will never know because trump never spoke those words or even anything close. 

Instead trump ignored the virus and its deaths till he no longer could. It was in the way of HIS reelection. 

What kind of a leader of men puts his own power over his countrymen's lives ?

One that I never want to see have power again, that's the kind. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
5.2.28  Tessylo  replied to  Sean Treacy @5.2.24    2 months ago

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Sean Treacy
Professor Guide
5.2.29  Sean Treacy  replied to  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu @5.2.26    2 months ago
Considering that is what numbers that have been  complied and available why not use them ?

Again, because no one who looks behind the numbers would consider them an accurate reflection of reality.  They aren't.  Some countries lie intentionally (China, Russia Iran) some simply don't have the resources to even attempt to make a accurate count.  Basing an opinion on data you know is false just because it exists is a path to ignorance.  It's always better to deal with the complex reality of a situation than settle for false information just because it's simple to digest and easy to find. 

o you have any proof these numbers are inaccurate ? 

I literally posted two articles pointing out India's massive problem counting deaths. I could do the same for Mexico, or Brazil etc.. These stories are all over the place. 

Seems you are arguing on your own believes.

My argument is based on the reports of actual experts in the field and reporting from the BBC, NYT, AP, Reuters and every other outlet you probably consider respectable.  I can't believe this is controversial, but the US has a better public health system than many third world countries.  

 
 
 
321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu
Sophomore Principal
5.2.30  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu   replied to  Sean Treacy @5.2.29    2 months ago
My argument is based on the reports of actual experts in the field and reporting from the BBC, NYT, AP, Reuters and every other outlet you probably consider respectable.

Like these ?


If so, you may want to look again. 

Seems they back up the numbers I used after all. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Guide
5.2.31  Sean Treacy  replied to  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu @5.2.30    2 months ago

Are you serious?   Did you even read what I wrote? Yes, newspapers report the numbers governments release. Did I claim otherwise? Does that have anything to do with their relation to reality?

I've posted two links you've ignored so far. So feel free to ignore these and cling to your simple little narrative as well

Read these, and if you still think the official numbers are accurate, I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you. 

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
5.2.32  Ender  replied to  Tessylo @5.2.28    2 months ago

I love that.  Haha   Mind if I steal it?

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
5.2.33  Tessylo  replied to  Ender @5.2.32    2 months ago

But of course!

 
 
 
Gordy327
Professor Principal
5.2.34  Gordy327  replied to  Sean Treacy @5.2.9    2 months ago

Per the CDC, the US has over 32 million Covid cases and almost 600k deaths. The most in the world. India, the second highest country in cases and which has more than double the US popuation, has over 17 million cases (nearly half the US cases) and nearly 200k deaths, less than half the US. Brazil is 2nd in deaths at almost 400k. Just simple facts, if you bothered to do any research.

 
 
 
321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu
Sophomore Principal
5.2.35  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu   replied to  Sean Treacy @5.2.31    2 months ago
Read these, and if you still think the official numbers are accurate

I already said I wondered about the numbers. including our own country's.

So you win.. maybe, who knows right ?   happy now?  jrSmiley_9_smiley_image.gif

That doesn't negate the original idea posted that when this all began our president denied it was a problem and we had a huge outbreak. 

Now we are doing better while some other countries are doing worse.

Regardless of any numbers reported anywhere. 

trump blew it and people died. 

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
5.2.36  Ozzwald  replied to  Sean Treacy @5.2.24    2 months ago
Okay. Explain how words stop a  virus in America when Trump is President

If Trump had advocated mask wearing and social distancing, the infections and deaths would be a fraction of what they were ( as shown by countries that did exactly that ).  Also if Trump had said it, Florida, Arizona, Texas, would have followed suit and NOT have been responsible, in part, for some of the COVID waves we endured.

 
 
 
Split Personality
PhD Principal
5.2.37  Split Personality  replied to  Gordy327 @5.2.34    2 months ago

I'm the executor on three estates this year.  Two were almost certainly COVID victims, one disappeared to her room with the "flu" and when no one saw her for three days they checked and found her body.  We were told that NC doesn't "waste" Covid tests on the deceased.

 The other spent weeks in the COVID ward in AZ in October, got well enough to go home and died in his sleep in November...

Diagnosed as natural cause because he had a negative Covid test from August....smh.

Unless they die in a COVID ward in a hospital being treated for COVID, it seems that NO Municipality, County or State

wants to report COVID deaths if there's a way to avoid it.

The USA numbers are under reported, not just in FL or NY, everywhere.

Yet the coroners come in hazmat suits as if the deceased were radioactive, go figure.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Guide
5.2.38  Sean Treacy  replied to  Gordy327 @5.2.34    2 months ago
hust simple facts, if you bothered to do any research.

Oh.. You don't understand what you wrote. You claimed rate, not gross totals. Those aren't the same thing. 

IF you understood what you wrote, you'd know many other countries have  higher rates of infection and higher rates of death. The US is 16th in it's reported death rate , and will be passed by Poland any day.   But that's seemingly an advanced concept. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Guide
5.2.39  Sean Treacy  replied to  Ozzwald @5.2.36    2 months ago
p had advocated mask wearing and social distancing, the infections and deaths would be a fraction of what they were

If that were true, why are countries like Germany experiencing their highest rates of infection after more than a year of advocating masks and social distancing?  

Also if Trump had said it, Florida, Arizona, Texas, would have followed suit and NOT have been responsible, in part, for some of the COVID waves we endured.

Two of those states have performed better then the national average. How are they responsible, but those states with much higher death rates, not?  Southern states had a wave over the summer because the heat pushed them indoors into air conditioning where the virus is easily spread.  Remember, that occurred when liberals were attacking them for opening up beaches and other outside areas that are safe and telling them to stay indoors, where the infection most easily spreads . If anyone's to blame for the southern outbreak over the summer, it's those who pushed to keep people indoors. 

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
5.2.40  Ozzwald  replied to  Sean Treacy @5.2.39    2 months ago
If that were true, why are countries like Germany experiencing their highest rates of infection after more than a year of advocating masks and social distancing?  

_112528824_optimised-world_deaths-nc.pngcoronavirus_data_explorer__1_.png

How the US’s Covid-19 death toll compares to that of other wealthy countries

  • If the US had the same death rate as the European Union overall, nearly 79,000 Americans who died of Covid-19 would likely still be alive (unless they died of other causes).
  • If the US had the same death rate as Germany, more than 212,000 Americans who died of Covid-19 would likely still be alive.
  • If the US had the same death rate as Canada, nearly 225,000 Americans who died of Covid-19 would likely still be alive.
  • If the US had the same death rate as Australia, nearly 361,000 Americans who died of Covid-19 would likely still be alive. Fewer than 12,000 would have died, compared to the 365,000 who died in reality.
  • If the US had the same death rate as Japan, nearly 363,000 Americans who died of Covid-19 would likely still be alive — and fewer than 10,000 Americans would have died of the disease.
 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Guide
5.2.41  Sean Treacy  replied to  Ozzwald @5.2.40    2 months ago

So your response to my post about how infections in Germany are high now  is to post a graph from January comparing Germany to the USA? Not surprised.  

Try again. If advocating masks and social distancing stops the infection, why is Germany experiencing it's highest rates of infection now after a year of pushing masks and social distancing?  It's highest reported number of cases occurred  in APRIL 2021 and it's now  on lockdown, again. 

Here's a hint. Try and explain it without referencing the US.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
5.2.42  Ozzwald  replied to  Sean Treacy @5.2.41    2 months ago
So your response to my post about how infections in Germany are high now  is to post a graph from January comparing Germany to the USA? Not surprised.  

No, my response to your "very carefully phrased" question, is to point out the true answer, and not give in to your gotcha version.  Germany has had a fraction of the infections and deaths PER CAPITA , as the US.  This is because their leaders gave a unified message based on the current (at that time) scientific knowledge that they had of COVID. 

The fact they are in the middle of a wave now is meaningless to the overall picture.

How many needless Covid-19 deaths were caused by delays in responding? Most of them

Country Population (millions) Date of 15th confirmed case Stringency Index   two weeks after 15th case Number of deaths, four months after 15th case Deaths scaled up to U.S. population equivalent
Singapore 5.85 2/1 32 24 1,358
Australia 25.5 2/6 23 102 1,324
South Korea 51.2 2/2 38 272 1,758
Germany 83.7 2/12 25 8,863 35,049
United States 331 2/14 5.7 117,858 117,858

Coronavirus: US v other countries... did it mess up its reopening?

US Not Handling Covid As Well As Other Countries

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
5.2.43  Texan1211  replied to  Sean Treacy @5.2.41    2 months ago
 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Guide
5.2.44  Sean Treacy  replied to  Ozzwald @5.2.42    2 months ago

Wow. You are now using data from July 2020.  Fantastically disingenuous .  Not that you'll answer it, but again please explain why Germany's covid rates have peaked in April 2021 if, as you claimed, advocating about mask wearing stops the virus.

This is because their leaders gave a unified message based on the current (at that time) scientific knowledge that they had of COVID. 

Yet America had higher rates of wearing masks than Germany and still had higher cases and deaths per capita.   Good luck explaining that one.  It's almost as if a government pushing mask wearing had no relationship to the virus spread in that country.  That is if you base your position on data and not on parroting dogma.  

 
 
 
321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu
Sophomore Principal
5.2.45  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu   replied to  Sean Treacy @5.2.44    2 months ago
why Germany's covid rates have peaked in April 2021

Last summer in Berlin, Christine Wagner could safely do something Covid-19 prevented much of the world’s population from doing: go to a movie theater.

The possibility of strangers sitting together, indoors, for hours, taking off masks to eat popcorn and other snacks, led even big chains like AMC to shut down for some time in the US. But in Germany, things were different: The virus was under enough control for the country to reopen with some social distancing and masking rules. So Wagner could go out — and indoors — with her friends.

“Everyone was free,” Wagner, the head of pandemic communication and strategy at a local German health department, told me. “We could go out to travel, meet friends. … It was like normal life.”

https:ww.-us/news/world/germany-contained-covid-19-politics-brought-it-back

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Guide
5.2.46  Sean Treacy  replied to  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu @5.2.45    2 months ago

Yes, no one is arguing Germany and most of Europe avoided Covid during the summer.  I'm not sure what that has to do with my point. 

When Germans went inside and shut the windows during the fall, they had a covid outbreak.  That's why the south had the worst outbreak in the summer of 2020 in the states, it's when they are most dependent on air conditioning.  Air flow is a fantastic  defense against covid. Sitting in a building with the windows closed is a recipe for spread. 

A German government pushing masks didn't stop Covid from spiking in the winter and spring of 2021. They had six months to prepare before they faced the type of spread the US was dealing with in February. Once Germany had it's first major spread (in Germany's case in the fall of 2020) the disease ran its course just like it did here. Germany is just lucky in that it avoided a large seeding in the spring of 2020 before the summer respite that all Europe benefited from.  

 
 
 
MrFrost
PhD Principal
5.2.47  MrFrost  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.2.1    2 months ago

Actually, it was Trump who produced the vaccine that benefitted Biden.

So trump is now an expert on virology as well? Trump did exactly nothing with regards to the virus. It was his minions that came up with the plan, (which was a dismal failure, I might add). 

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
5.2.48  Ozzwald  replied to  Sean Treacy @5.2.44    2 months ago
Wow. You are now using data from July 2020.  Fantastically disingenuous .

Comparing data from July 2020.  The comparison is accurate and your claim about it being disingenuous is dishonest.

Not that you'll answer it, but again please explain why Germany's covid rates have peaked in April 2021 if, as you claimed, advocating about mask wearing stops the virus.

You're right, I won't answer because the question is idiotic at best.  Nobody has ever claimed that mask wearing and social distancing is the cure all for COVID, it merely slows the spread down.  And overall German numbers have shown that it worked, which you'd know if you bothered looking at any ACCURATE numbers.

Yet America had higher rates of wearing masks than Germany and still had higher cases and deaths per capita.

Wrong, using the term "rates" would bring it down to a per capita number.  The more populated country of America had more individuals wearing masks, but a lower rate.

It's almost as if a government pushing mask wearing had no relationship to the virus spread in that country.

It's almost like you are purposely avoiding all facts and studies so that you can espouse these silly beliefs.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Guide
5.2.49  Sean Treacy  replied to  Ozzwald @5.2.48    2 months ago
h e comparison is accurate and your claim about it being disingenuous is dishonest.

The topic is why Germany's infections are peaking in April 2021. You haven't even bothered to address it. All you've done is post data from July of 2020.  It's incredibly disingenuous. 

w orked, which you'd know if you bothered looking at any ACCURATE number

More dishonesty. All I do is look at accurate numbers  and apply them. Thus, when I want to describe what's happening in Germany now, I use data from April of 2021. You use data from July of 2020 to address what's going on in Germany in April 2021.   It's pretty obvious, you cherry pick data and can't create a coherent argument.

sing the term "rates" would bring it down to a per capita number.  The more populated country of America had more individuals wearing masks, but a lower rate.

Wrong again.  I used rate on purpose, because it's accurate. 

.  

It 's almost like you are purposely avoiding all facts and studies so that you can espouse these silly beliefs.

Talk about projection!  Wow. You litterally just made a claim based on your own silly belief and prejudice that Germans wore masks at a higher rate per capita and avoided the relevant facts and studies that would have taught you the truth. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
5.2.50  Tessylo  replied to  Sean Treacy @5.2.49    2 months ago

Speaking of being disingenuous and dishonest and projection . . . . .jrSmiley_78_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
5.2.51  Ozzwald  replied to  Sean Treacy @5.2.49    2 months ago
The topic is why Germany's infections are peaking in April 2021.

That was not MY topic that YOU were REPLYING to.

You litterally just made a claim based on your own silly belief and prejudice that Germans wore masks at a higher rate per capita and avoided the relevant facts and studies that would have taught you the truth.

Then prove it wrong.  You claiming it is wrong is meaningless.

 
 
 
Gordy327
Professor Principal
5.2.52  Gordy327  replied to  Sean Treacy @5.2.38    2 months ago

If you check the CDC, you will see the US outpaces other countries in terms of infection rates, cases, and deaths. Poland hasn't even reached 300k infections and as only 67k deaths. Clearly the US has a much greater rate of infection.

 
 
 
Gordy327
Professor Principal
5.2.53  Gordy327  replied to  Split Personality @5.2.37    2 months ago

Some people claim the numbers from other countries is underreported. But then, so is the US it would seem. So the difference between the US and other countries is probably minimal, with the US still having the most cases either way.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Guide
5.2.54  Sean Treacy  replied to  Gordy327 @5.2.52    2 months ago
e CDC, you will see the US outpaces other countries in terms of infection rates, cases, and d

You don't know what rate means, do you? 

arly the US has a much greater rate of infection.

You just compared Poland to the US using gross numbers to try and decide which country had a greater rate of infection.  Wow.   That  might be the most embarrassing argument I've seen on this site in a long time. 

Here's a hint. Compare population size. Do you believe  Poland and the US have the same population? You must if you think comparing gross totals is relevant. 

I'm obviously much more experienced in data analysis than you are.  I'm not going to tutor you for free. But, if nothing else, figure out what rate means and stop misusing it. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Guide
5.2.55  Sean Treacy  replied to  Gordy327 @5.2.53    2 months ago
o the difference between the US and other countries is probably minim

This is called making shit up because you can't actually make up an actual logical argument using data. 

Of course it's not going to be the same. The US has performed 5 times the amount of testing per capita as a country like Brazil has. That means the US catches more of the spread in it's official counts than Brazil does. This is all common sense.  

People who think like you are why Trump said if you just stop testing, corona cases would go away.  Even Trump understood how easy it is too manipulate those with the simple minded belief that all countries test and report at the same rate. "Stop testing, cases go down!" It's sad people would fall for that. Your argument shows how widespread that nonsensical belief is. 

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
5.2.56  seeder  JBB  replied to  Sean Treacy @5.2.55    2 months ago

256

 
 
 
Gordy327
Professor Principal
5.2.57  Gordy327  replied to  Sean Treacy @5.2.55    2 months ago

So your rebuttal amounts to little more than a "nuh uh." Got it

 
 
 
MrFrost
PhD Principal
6  MrFrost    2 months ago

RCP uses an average of all the polls, both left, right and center. They tend to give the most accurate polls..

Biden is at 53.1% approval, (as of this posting). For reference, the Former Guy never got above 46.1% according to RCP.

RCP - Biden Job Approval

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
6.1  Tessylo  replied to  MrFrost @6    2 months ago
"For reference, the Former Guy never got above 46.1% according to RCP

Dismal and Deplorable!

 
 
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