Israeli Military Says Rockets Fired From Gaza Toward Jerusalem

  

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Via:  vic-eldred  •  3 months ago  •  79 comments

By:   Felicia Schwartz and Dov Lieber (WSJ)

Israeli Military Says Rockets Fired From Gaza Toward Jerusalem
Gaza militants launched rockets toward Jerusalem as thousands of young Jewish nationalists marched through the city, said Israel's military, escalating tensions following days of clashes between Palestinians and Israeli police.

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JERUSALEM—Gaza militants launched rockets toward Jerusalem as thousands of young Jewish nationalists were marching through the contested city, according to Israel's military, sharply escalating tensions following days of clashes between Palestinians and Israeli police.

Israel's military said seven rockets were fired from Gaza toward Jerusalem and the nearby city of Beit Shemesh, including one that was intercepted. Sirens were also heard near the border and in the city of Ashkelon.

The Israelis were marching on a new route that avoided Damascus Gate and the Muslim Quarter of the Old City, after Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu ordered police to redirect them. The Israeli police said the decision was aimed at de-escalating tensions following a violent morning of clashes between Israeli police and Palestinians around the Al Aqsa Mosque.

Hamas had warned of further escalation Monday if Israel didn't withdraw its security forces from the Al Aqsa complex and Sheikh Jarrah by 6 p.m. local time.

The marchers, carrying Israeli flags, were headed toward the Western Wall for celebrations and speeches marking Jerusalem Day, an Israeli holiday commemorating Israel's capture of East Jerusalem in 1967.

Blaring sirens and loud booms disrupted the festive mood. Marchers continued on their route toward the Western Wall several minutes after the sirens stopped.

On Monday morning, more than 300 people were injured as the police fired flash grenades, tear gas and sponge-tipped bullets at Palestinian worshipers at the Al Aqsa Mosque compound, according to Palestinian medics and social-media videos. Israeli police said they used riot-control methods after hundreds of Palestinians began throwing stones and shooting fireworks at them near an entrance to the site. According to Hebrew media, 20 Israeli police officers were also injured.

The compound, known to Muslims as the Noble Sanctuary and Jews as the Temple Mount, has become a focal point of Palestinian anger over what they see as years of efforts to push them out of Jerusalem and limit their access to land they claim, as well as infringe on their basic rights. The situation has been aggravated by right-wing Jewish Israeli efforts to assert control in East Jerusalem, which Israel claims as part of its undivided capital.

In another move that could inflame tensions, Israel’s Parliament is expected to hold a vote Monday afternoon on legislation that would legalize unauthorized settlements in the West Bank, a measure pushed by Mr. Netanyahu’s Likud party as his rivals try to form a government.

Ofir Gendleman, a spokesman for Mr. Netanyahu, said Monday’s clashes were planned ahead of time.

“Extremist Palestinians planned well in advance to carry out riots today on the #TempleMount. What we see now is the result of that,” he said on  Twitter .  “We guarantee the freedom to pray, not the freedom to riot and attack innocent people. The police [are] working to restore calm.”

U.S. national security adviser Jake Sullivan called Israel’s national security adviser Meir Ben-Shabbat on Sunday to express Washington’s “serious concern” about clashes at the Al Aqsa mosque during the last days of the Islamic holy month of Ramadan.

According to a U.S. readout of the call, senior American officials have pressed Israeli and Palestinian officials in recent days to take steps to ensure calm, de-escalate tensions and denounce violence.

Mr. Sullivan specifically urged Israel “to pursue appropriate measures to ensure calm during Jerusalem Day commemorations.”

Israel considers all of Jerusalem its sovereign territory and governs all of its inhabitants, but Palestinians want the eastern portion of the city to be the capital of a future Palestinian state.






Both Hamas, which controls the Gaza Strip, and Fatah in the West Bank have called on Palestinians to step up confrontations with Israeli authorities and push back against Israeli activity in Jerusalem.

In Israel, some officials and analysts see the recent violence as an inflection point in what they describe as a passive approach to dealing with the Palestinians.

Amos Yadlin, a former head of Israeli military intelligence, said the escalating tensions between Israelis and Palestinians in Jerusalem stem from Israel’s failure to decide what its goals are with regards to the Palestinians.

“This failure to decide is effectively a decision in its own right, one that is leading us to a reality in which there is one state that is neither democratic nor Jewish,” Mr. Yadlin said in an opinion piece that appeared on Channel 12’s website on Monday.


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Vic Eldred
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1  seeder  Vic Eldred    3 months ago

It never quite ends for Israel and things will be worse with Biden in the White House.  It looks like Nikki Haley was right:



Could this be related to the recent attack on Iran's nuclear reactor or is it John Kerry stabbing Israel in the back?

 
 
 
Ender
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1.1  Ender  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    3 months ago

How in the hell can you blame Biden for any of that....

It clearly states in the article it was Jewish nationalists (nationalists, sounds familiar) marching and causing tension...

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Ender @1.1    3 months ago
It clearly states in the article it was Jewish nationalists (nationalists, sounds familiar) marching and causing tension...

It's Israel's fault?

 
 
 
Ender
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1.1.2  Ender  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.1    3 months ago

It sure as hell ain't ours.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.3  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Ender @1.1.2    3 months ago

Why did you say?:

It clearly states in the article it was Jewish nationalists (nationalists, sounds familiar) marching and causing tension...


 
 
 
Ender
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1.1.4  Ender  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.3    3 months ago

Because it was in the article?...

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.5  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Ender @1.1.4    3 months ago

We know that, but you pulled it out and emphasized marching and causing tension. Again I'll ask, are you blaming Israel?

 
 
 
Ender
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1.1.6  Ender  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.5    3 months ago

Are Palestinians part of Israel?

And yes, the tension is all on them. Has zero to do with Biden.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.7  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Ender @1.1.6    3 months ago

The tension is on the Palestinians?

 
 
 
Ender
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1.1.8  Ender  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.7    3 months ago

So you cannot defend your position that it is Biden's fault so you are going to ask endless inane questions?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.9  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Ender @1.1.8    3 months ago

Right now we are still trying to get a straight answer out of you.

Are you blaming Israel for the attack they were subjected to?

 
 
 
Ender
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1.1.10  Ender  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.9    3 months ago

I answered you above. You just refuse to recognize it. 

Why are you blaming Biden?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.11  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Ender @1.1.10    3 months ago

It's a simple question: Who is to blame for the rocket attack?

 
 
 
Ender
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1.1.12  Ender  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.11    3 months ago

Seems you cannot answer a simple question.

Moving the goalposts I see.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.13  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Ender @1.1.12    3 months ago

You aren't getting out of it. Your sympathies lie with the fucking Palestinians?

 
 
 
Ender
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1.1.14  Ender  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.13    3 months ago

Why do you blame Biden?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.15  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Ender @1.1.14    3 months ago

What do you have against Israel? 

 
 
 
Ender
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1.1.16  Ender  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.15    3 months ago

So you refuse to answer why you think Biden is at fault.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.1.17  Tessylo  replied to  Ender @1.1.16    3 months ago

Because President Biden is not at fault.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.1.18  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.15    3 months ago

There you go, putting words in peoples' mouths, again.  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.19  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Ender @1.1.16    3 months ago

I have answered that. You could have easily read it in post 1.

As for you, I will say what you refuse to. You favor the Palestinians over the democracy of Israel.

You could have admitted it. There are others on here that feel that way.

Problem solved.

 
 
 
Ender
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1.1.20  Ender  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.19    3 months ago

So you actually think that because Biden supposedly snubbed Israel all tension broke out just because....

Lame...

 
 
 
Ender
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1.1.21  Ender  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.19    3 months ago

Are Palestinians part of Israel?

If so, why should they be subjugated. The 'Jewish Nationalists' are nothing more than a hardcore rightwing group that was intentionally trying to rile people up.

 
 
 
Ender
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1.1.22  Ender  replied to  Tessylo @1.1.17    3 months ago

Of course not. Only complete zealots would say he was.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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1.1.23  Greg Jones  replied to  Ender @1.1.14    3 months ago

Why do you support Hamas and militant Palestinians?

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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1.1.24  Ozzwald  replied to  Ender @1.1.16    3 months ago

So you refuse to answer why you think Biden is at fault.

This puts us back to, the snow is cold.  It's Biden's fault......

 
 
 
Ender
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1.1.25  Ender  replied to  Greg Jones @1.1.23    3 months ago

Why act like you know who I support and who I don't?

Stop trying to assign things to me that were never said.

I can always tell when people have zero to add when they are reduced to platitudes.

 
 
 
Ender
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1.1.26  Ender  replied to  Ozzwald @1.1.24    3 months ago

Meanwhile, the previous president was never at fault, for anything.

Nothing was ever to be blamed on him.

So we went from a president that could not be faulted to a president they have to make up fault...

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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1.1.27  Ozzwald  replied to  Ender @1.1.26    3 months ago

So we went from a president that could not be faulted to a president they have to make up fault...

Well how could you fault Trump?  Nothing was ever his fault.

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Buzz of the Orient
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1.1.28  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Ender @1.1.6    3 months ago

It was an ANNUAL march to celebrate Jerusalem Day.  As the article said it was redirected by the Israeli government to stay away from areas that would provoke the Arabs in order to keep the calm - it was the Arabs who planned and carried out the attacks.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.1.29  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.11    3 months ago
It's a simple question: Who is to blame for the rocket attack?

Israel is.  They killed innocents including children.  Why are they blameless?  Doesn't Palestine have a right to be like Israel?

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.1.30  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.13    3 months ago

My sympathies lie with the Palestines.  They have a right to exist.  Israel doesn't seem to believe that.  

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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1.2  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    3 months ago
or is it John Kerry stabbing Israel in the back?

That bullshit narrative has already been debunked, Kerry didn't give Iran any information that wasn't already public knowledge.

" Israel striking Iranian targets in Syria hasn’t been a secret for nearly four years ."

" Kerry said in September 2018, shortly after Israel acknowledged the 200 strikes, that he had  spoken with Zarif “three or four” times  in the previous months. He  told CNBC in June 2019  that he had only spoken with “one Iranian once” after Trump’s May 2018 decision to withdraw from the Iran nuclear deal, saying he had spoken briefly with Zarif at the Munich Security Conference in February of that year. Many of these interactions would have placed the conversation after Israel’s public disclosures ."

" Kerry allegedly used — 200 — might suggest the conversation would have taken place sometime around when Israel publicly acknowledged that number of strikes. It’s not an overly specific number, but Israel didn’t exactly seem to be trying to downplay or hide its strikes on Iranian targets in Syria beginning in mid-2017 ."

" To believe Kerry got ahead of the public disclosure of 200 strikes in the period between August 2017 and September 2018, that would mean Zarif was somehow woefully unfamiliar with the public record on this topic ."

" And to believe Kerry said this after September 2018 would mean there’s really not much of an issue here at all, beyond Zarif being completely out of the loop ."

" In the leaked audio, (Zarif) was effectively venting about his lack of influence in the Iranian government — the idea that he would hear this kind of thing from an American diplomat rather than his own government. Perhaps in the course of making that case to the economist, he was freelancing about something that had indeed been public knowledge"

Claiming or even inferring that Kerry was somehow partially responsible for the rockets being fired at Jerusalem by Hamas when they have already said exactly why they were firing the rockets and demanding the removal of Israeli security forces from the Al Aqsa complex and Sheikh Jarrah is beyond dishonest, it's frankly disgusting because it's an obvious attempt by bitter piece of shit conservative partisans to smear Democrats even though the vast majority of Jewish Americans are Democrats and nearly all Jewish American elected representatives are Democrat. The only one stabbing anyone in the back are the bitter conservative Republicans desperate to blame anything and everything negative that happens in the world on their opponents because it will distract and deflect from their own Republican parties implosion.

 
 
 
Ender
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1.2.1  Ender  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @1.2    3 months ago

Amazes me some can seed an article and not even understand what it says.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.2.2  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Ender @1.2.1    3 months ago

There is more that just the article to be read here.

 
 
 
Ender
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1.2.3  Ender  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2.2    3 months ago

So you personally know some deep underlying things that are not in the article....

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.2.4  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Ender @1.2.3    3 months ago

I know a lot about the comments I read and their meaning.

 
 
 
Ender
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1.2.5  Ender  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2.4    3 months ago

Cannot stick to one topic huh?

So going from knowing more than the article to be able to decipher comments about said article....

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.2.6  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Ender @1.2.5    3 months ago

You're another one that doesn't get it. The author/seeder determines topic.


So going from knowing more than the article to be able to decipher comments about said article....

I know you.

 
 
 
Ender
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1.2.7  Ender  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2.6    3 months ago

You don't get it. The article is on topic...

You know me? Have you looked deep into my eyes and seen what colour they are too?

 
 
 
Hallux
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1.2.8  Hallux  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2.2    3 months ago
There is more that just the article to be read here.

You are correct:

 
 
 
Hallux
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1.2.9  Hallux  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2.6    3 months ago
The author/seeder determines topic.

The author yes ... the seeder? For what, clicking on a fricking mouse button?

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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1.3  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    3 months ago

It was Obama who stabbed Israel in the back during his lame duck period when he no longer needed nor wanted Jewish donations or votes, by abstaining and not voting against a Security Council resolution that was unfairly critical of Israel - the first time that has been done for many years.  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.3.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @1.3    3 months ago

And his understudy picked up where he left off by reinstating aid to the Palestinians.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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1.3.2  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.3.1    3 months ago

Maybe he did it to make Tlaib and Omar feel more included, but unfortunately he has probably just delayed any possibility of an end to the conflict.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.3.3  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @1.3.2    3 months ago

With Hamas rockets from  Gaza raining down  on Israeli citizens, the Jewish state is defending itself with  superior weaponry . But it’s also fighting a rear guard diplomatic action against the Biden White House.

Anticipating the new president would unfairly urge Israeli restraint, officials effectively told the U.S. to buzz off. “International intervention is a reward to the Palestinian rioters and those who back them” and Israeli official told Axios.

Sad but true, and everybody knows it. Besides, Biden already restored the  funding to Palestinians  the Trump administration ended and resumed the Obama-era habit of talking  down to Israel , as if it’s an undeserving supplicant instead of a friend and strategic ally. It’s also no secret that Biden is begging Iran to  rejoin the nuclear deal , even as Iran supplies many of the rockets targeting Israel. With friends like that . . .


 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.3.4  Tessylo  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @1.3    3 months ago

"It was Obama who stabbed Israel in the back during his lame duck period when he no longer needed nor wanted Jewish donations or votes, by abstaining and not voting against a Security Council resolution that was unfairly critical of Israel - the first time that has been done for many years."

I disagree wholeheartedly.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.3.5  Tessylo  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @1.3.2    3 months ago
So you all place the blame on Biden?
 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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1.3.6  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Tessylo @1.3.4    3 months ago

And the truth disagrees with you. ..

  1. Obama faces widespread backlash after abstaining from UN ...

    https:// thehill.com /policy/defense/311712- obama ...

    Dec 23, 2016  · President   Obama   is facing widespread backlash from Republicans and some Democrats after the   United States abstained   from a vote on a   United Nations Security Council resolution   condemning Israeli...

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.4  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    3 months ago

If Israel has a right to be why doesn't Palestine?  Children were killed here.  I give Israel absolutely no credit and all the blame for killing innocents.  

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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1.4.1  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Tessylo @1.4    3 months ago

Of course Palestine has a right to be - where has Israel said it doesn't? If you really believe the rest of your comment, you have lost my respect.

 
 
 
Tacos!
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2  Tacos!    3 months ago
Gaza militants launched rockets toward Jerusalem as thousands of young Jewish nationalists were marching through the contested city

Showing again the difference between the two factions. The Israelis want to live and be and say what they think. Rather than doing the same, the Palestinian militants want to exterminate them for living, and being and saying what they think.

If the Palestinians laid down their arms tomorrow, they could live a peaceful life. If the Israelis laid down their arms, the Palestinians would exterminate them. Every conversation about what happens over there needs to acknowledge this brutal reality.

 
 
 
Hallux
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2.1  Hallux  replied to  Tacos! @2    3 months ago

Hogwash

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.1.1  Tessylo  replied to  Hallux @2.1    3 months ago

What else is new?

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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2.2  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Tacos! @2    3 months ago

Bravo Tacos1

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.2.1  Tessylo  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @2.2    3 months ago

It's all lies.  

The Palestinians have a right to exist.  Israel doesn't appear to believe so.  

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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2.2.2  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Tessylo @2.2.1    3 months ago

You apparently have little knowledge of the situation.  The Arabs/Muslims/Palestinians who live in Israel have poliitical parties (the Joint List) with members in Israel's government, serve as judges - even a supreme court judge, serve in the Israeli armed forces, are doctors, nurses and administrators in Israeli hospitals (I know that for a fact because I met them and talked to them), carry on their businesses, pray in their mosques, and in a poll almost all of them indicated that they would rather live in Israel than in any Arab or Muslim country.  As well, what Vic wrote about them not accepting everything they asked for, turning it down when it was offered to them indicates that they are not really interested in being a proper state, but want to keep the hope alive to kill all the Jews and then possess, what their chant is, "Palestine shall be free, from the river to the sea" - i.e. ALL of Israel. .  

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
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2.3  Thrawn 31  replied to  Tacos! @2    3 months ago

I say fuck it, Israel do what you gotta do, Palestinians do the same. I don’t care what happens, I have never been shy about the fact that I hate how tied to that piece of crap area of land the US foreign policy is. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
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3  Texan1211    3 months ago

I sure hope that Israel responds to these attacks appropriately.

 
 
 
Hallux
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3.1  Hallux  replied to  Texan1211 @3    3 months ago

They are awaiting your conception of appropriate.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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3.1.1  Texan1211  replied to  Hallux @3.1    3 months ago

I'm a firm believer in fighting fire with fire.

Israel shouldn't tolerate attacks on its citizens.

 
 
 
Hallux
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3.1.2  Hallux  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.1    3 months ago

... and you know who started this latest fracas ... right!

 
 
 
Texan1211
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3.1.3  Texan1211  replied to  Hallux @3.1.2    3 months ago
and you know who started this latest fracas ... right!

Duh!

The good folks who sent rockets into Israel, attempting to kill civilians, right?

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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3.1.4  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Hallux @3.1.2    3 months ago

The Palestinians, rioting over a legal case being brought against Palestinian tenants who refused to obey an eviction order caused by their not paying rent.  The Palestinians and Gazans escalated it from a molehill into a mountain. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.1.5  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @3.1.4    3 months ago

Funny how they try and hide how they obviously feel.

Here is a history lesson for anyone who supports the Palestinians:

Camp David, 2000. At a US sponsored summit, Prime Minister Ehud Barak offers Yasser Arafat a Palestinian state on the West Bank and Gaza, which included the division of Jerusalem. To the shock of everyone, Arafat refused it and had no counter offer.

Taba, 2001. The Clinton Parameters are offered and Arafat again refused it.

Israel, 2008. Prime Minister Ehud Olmert offered 100% of the West Bank, Palestinian statehood, the division of Jerusalem with the Muslim parts becoming the capitol of the new Palestine. Again this incredibly generous offer was refused.


What does this tell us?  That the Palestinians/their leaders only want exactly what they once told us - the destruction of Israel!

That's today's history lesson. Hopefully John Kerry read it.


 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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3.1.6  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.5    3 months ago

I can tell you who WON'T read it - Ilhan Omar and Rashid Tlaib.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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3.1.7  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.5    3 months ago

Why would he he go to you for a history lesson?

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
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4  Thrawn 31    3 months ago

Whatever, let them figure it out, I don’t give a shit what they do to each other anymore. So sick of the US tying our foreign policy in the region to that insignificant little sliver of land.

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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4.1  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Thrawn 31 @4    3 months ago

Exactly how I feel.  Never-ending conflict in the the most holiest of holy places - this is just more evidence that the supposedly omnipotent god is as useless as a soiled tampon.

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
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4.1.1  Thrawn 31  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @4.1    3 months ago

That area is a fucking dump anyways. Nothing remotely special from a geographic or resource perspective. It’s just a shitty patch of desert, the only reason I can think that we care about it is because some religious jackasses think it important for the reason you stated. 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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4.1.2  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Thrawn 31 @4.1.1    3 months ago

Obviously you've never been there. 

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
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4.1.3  Thrawn 31  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @4.1.2    3 months ago

And zero plans to ever go. I don’t give a shit about the area and you will never convince me to. It’s not our problem and we need to stop acting like it is.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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4.1.4  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Thrawn 31 @4.1.3    3 months ago

Alexander Haig said that Israel was like having an American Aircraft Carrier in the Middle East without needing a single American serviceman on board.  I won't waste my time posting a LIST of reasons why Israel is a very important ally of the USA for someone who doesn't give a shit anyway.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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6  Buzz of the Orient    3 months ago

As I've said elsewhere previously, Biden's decision to fund Palestinian causes with $235 million frees Abbas and his team to fund the terrorists and their families with more money as awards for killing Jews, and to sweeten their personal bank accounts.  I may be critical of Trump for a lot of reasons, but I have always lauded his policies towards Israel.

However, I do NOT agree with the eviction of Palestinians from their long-time East Jerusalem homes in order to make room for more Israeli settlers as in fact that Is a form of ethnic cleansing, and perhaps the root cause of the problems we are seeing there today.

Another point I would like to make.  Having been the Editor-in-Chief of my University newspaper for almost two years, I'm very much aware of how the media can promote bias and misinformation, and am an avowed advocate of honest reporting.  The headline of the seed above is correct, but how do you think headlines like these will affect the biases of the public?

Israel airstrikes kill 20 in Gaza, Palestinians say

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9 Killed in Gaza Explosion As Israel, Palestine Tensions ...

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Omar Accuses   Israel   of “Act of Terrorism” With   Gaza   Strikes

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When in fact, THIS IS THE TRUTH....
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Rockets launched at Jerusalem by militant group, leading to unrest

At least seven of the more than 150 rockets launched by militant group Hamas on Monday targeted Jerusalem, according to  Israel ’s Defense Forces (IDF).

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Israel Strikes Hamas Targets After Rockets Fired at ...

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AFTER, GET THAT?  AFTER.
 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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6.1  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @6    3 months ago

I take back what I said before about ethnic cleansing as I was not aware of the actual legal history of the properties.  Now that I do know it, the fault of what is happening in Israel is ENTIRELY caused by the Palestinans themselves.  Here is the legal history although I sure most members here would prefer fiction to reality.

Sheikh Jarrah: A Legal Background

9th May, 2021

SUMMARY

The case of Sheikh Jarrah is a complex and long-running legal matter, subject to competing
property claims over a small area of land in Jerusalem, by the Jewish owners and Palestinian
tenants, that also incorporates the area’s religious significance and spans a history dating back to
pre-1948 British mandate era. The case has been subject to legal proceedings since 1972, and is
currently before Israel’s Supreme Court, where a final decision is expected in the next 30 days.
This particular case has garnered unprecedented attention in the wake of the recent Human
Rights Watch (HRW) report accusing Israel of engaging in ‘apartheid’ practices, the International
Criminal Court (ICC) investigation and a concerted campaign by the pro-Palestinian, BDS and NGO
network, as well as the Palestinian leadership, to exacerbate and inflame the currently tense
situation in and around Jerusalem.

WHERE IS SHEIKH JARRAH?

Sheikh Jarrah is a predominantly, though not exclusively, small Arab neighborhood of Jerusalem,
that is about 2 – 3 kilometers from the Old City.

WHAT IS THE HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE OF THE AREA?

Jews refer to the area as ‘Shimon Hatzadik’, in which the tomb of ‘Simeon the Just’, a revered 3rd
century BCE Jewish High Priest, is buried. The neighborhood is often visited by Jewish pilgrims.
Palestinians claim the area derives its name from Sheikh Jarrah, a physician to Saladin, an Islamic
military leader, who reportedly fought the Crusaders in the 12th century. His body is believed to be
buried there.

WHAT IS THE CLAIM AGAINST ISRAEL?

The pro-Palestinian community is claiming that Israel is unjustly evicting four Palestinian families
from their homes in the Sheikh Jarrah neighborhood and that this exemplifies accusations against
Israel in the context of the broader conflict with the Palestinians.

In response, the owners of the property (a private Israeli NGO, Nahalat Shimon), claim they have
the legal title to the property in question and that, in the absence of rent being paid by the
tenants, the tenants ought to be evicted, for breaching the law.

WHAT IS THE CHRONOLOGY?

Sheikh Jarrah is an Arab neighborhood that developed outside the walls of the Old City of
Jerusalem in the 19th century.

According to Israel’s Supreme Court, the land in question was purchased by the local Ashkenazi
and Sephardi communities from their Arab owners in 1875, primarily because of the area’s
religious significance, in housing the tomb of ‘Simeon the Just’. The property was registered in the
Ottoman land registry as a trust under the name of Rabbis Avraham Ashkenazi and Meir Auerbach.
A small Jewish community lived there peacefully in co-existence with the local Arab community
until 1948, when the War of Independence broke out.

The Jewish owners had tried to register ownership of the property with the authorities of the
British Mandate in 1946.

When the War of Independence broke out in 1948, the Old City of Jerusalem and its surrounding
area – including Sheikh Jarrah – was captured by Transjordan (now Jordan) and the Jewish families
were forcibly evicted. Custodianship of the property was transferred to the Jordanian Custodian of
Enemy Properties. In 1956, the Jordanian government leased the property to 28 families of
Palestinian ‘refugees’, while maintaining ownership of the property.

After the Six Day War in 1967, when Israel regained control of Jerusalem, it passed a law1 allowing
Jews whose families were evicted by Jordanian or British authorities in the city prior to 1967, to
reclaim their property, provided they could demonstrate proof of ownership and the existing
residents were unable to provide such proof of purchase or legal transfer of title.

In 1973, ownership of the property was registered by Sephardic Community Committee and the
Knesset Israel Committee with Israeli authorities pursuant to the above law.

Subsequently, in 2003, the owners sold the property to ‘Nahalat Shimon’, an Israeli NGO that
seeks to reclaim property for Jews evicted or forced to flee, as a result of the 1948 War of
Independence.

BEGINNING OF LEGAL PROCEEDINGS

In 1982, the Jewish owners (Sephardic Community Committee and the Knesset Israel Committee)
sued the Palestinian families residing in Sheikh Jarrah and demanded their eviction on the basis
that they were squatters on the property. The Magistrate Court determined that the Palestinian
families could not demonstrate their ownership of the property, but that they enjoyed Protected
Tenant Status. As protected tenants, they would be able to continue living on the property as long
as they paid rent and maintained the property2

. This arrangement was agreed upon mutually inagreement signed by the parties, in which the tenants recognized the trusts' ownership inexchange for protected tenant status.3

1 Law and Administration Ordinance (Amendment No. 11) Law, 1967

2 Supreme Court 6239/08

3 Supreme Court 6239/08; Magistrate Court 3258/08

Beginning in 1993, the trusts began proceedings against the residents based on their non-payment
of rent and of illegal changes to the property.

In 1997, Suliman Darwish Hijazi, a Palestinian man, attempted to challenge the trusts' ownership
of the property, based on a Kushan (Ottoman title) that he allegedly purchased by a Jordanian
man, al-Bandeq, in 1961.4 The Court ruled that Hijazi failed to demonstrate that the kushan refers
to the claimed property in Shimon HaTzadik and that forensic evidence raised the likelihood that
the Kushan had been altered or forged. Furthermore, Hijazi failed to prove that al-Bandeq had
ever owned the property and was therefore not in his right to sell it. Finally, Hijazi had never acted
to protect his property rights, both during the Jordanian and Israeli periods, by registering it,
charging rent, or paying property tax.

PRIOR COURT RULINGS

5 Key points:

 The residents are protected tenants and must pay rent to the property's owners.

 The residents never paid rent and carried out illegal construction on the property. The
court previously ordered the residents to pay the outstanding rent and to immediately
evacuate the illegally constructed additions.

 The court rejected claims that the Jordanian government has committed to transferring
ownership to the residents and that this commitment never came to fruition due to the
outbreak of the Six Day War. The only document as evidence was a copy of an unsigned
standard Jordanian Department of Housing form, that did not contain any agreement of
the transfer of rights.

 The court rejected claims that a resident purchased ownership rights from a man named
Ismail. The claimant could not demonstrate that Ismail had been the property's owner, that
he had purchased the property from him or that the claimant had ever been a protected
tenant at the time of the alleged sale.

Current state of legal proceedings

Following the judgement of the Jerusalem District Court in February 2021, upholding an earlier
court decision that, in the absence of payment of rent, the Palestinian residents must vacate the
premises, the tenants appealed to the Supreme Court, with the courts final verdict expected
within the next 30 days.
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4 Supreme Court 4126/05

5 Magistrate Court 6629/09, 52633-12-10, 9939/09 and 6679/09

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
Professor Principal
6.2  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @6    3 months ago

The firing of missiles is being escalated by the Gazans, firing on Tel Aviv and other areas in central Israel, killing Israelis, but of course to watch the news videos and accounts Israel is the bad guy.  The biggest problem that the Palestinians/Gazans seem to have is their lack of knowledge of the meaning of the words "consequences" and "retaliation". and what causes them to happen.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
7  seeder  Vic Eldred    3 months ago

I had to post this:


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Tessylo
Professor Principal
7.1  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @7    3 months ago

Who gives a shit what the former occupant of the White House has to say on the matter?  Or any matter?  His opinion/statements/lies are worthless.  

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
Professor Principal
7.2  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Vic Eldred @7    3 months ago

I can't open what you posted, but here's one that's right on, although the media would STILL blame Israel.  

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For example about the media blaming Israel, if you can believe it here is what Canada's national TV network had to say...

CBC National Claims Palestinian Rocket Fire Came “In Return” to Israeli Airstrikes

For CBC The National and reporter Sasa Petricic to implicitly present a narrative that Israel is the aggressor which targeted civilian Palestinian infrastructure necessitating Hamas to retaliate – "return" fire in self-defense – Was beyond the pale.
 
 
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