Black Lives Matter 'stands in solidarity' with Palestinians, vows to fight for 'Palestinian liberation'
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The leading Black Lives Matter organization declared "solidarity with Palestinians" Monday, a week after Hamas terrorists in Gaza began firing a relentless barrage of rockets into Israel, indiscriminately shelling civilian targets as well as dropping some missiles short and blowing up buildings within its territory.
"Black Lives Matter stands in solidarity with Palestinians," the group tweeted. "We are a movement committed to ending settler colonialism in all forms and will continue to advocate for Palestinian liberation. ( always have. And always will be ). #freepalestine."
The announcement prompted a "thank you" tweet from the controversial Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions movement, or BDS, which has for years called for an economic embargo of Israel.
Israeli Iron Dome air defense system launches to intercept rockets fired from Gaza Strip, near Sderot, Israel, Thursday, May 13, 2021. (AP Photo/Ariel Schalit)
"Thank you for your solidarity," the left-wing group tweeted in response. "From Ferguson to Palestine, our struggles against racism, white supremacy and for a just world are united!"
The tweet came as pro-Palestinian protesters gathered in the U.S. and other Western countries to call for a cease-fire in the region.
Amid the ongoing battle between Israel and Hamas militants, at least 12 Israelis and 213 Palestinians have been killed over the past eight days, including 61 children and 36 women. More than 100 Israelis and 1,400 Palestinians had been wounded as of Tuesday evening.
The military conflict escalated dramatically on May 10 when Hamas began firing rocket after rocket at Jerusalem following a violent clash between Israeli police and Palestinian protesters at the Al-Aqsa mosque, a sacred site for both Jews and Muslims. Despite hundreds of Israeli counterattacks and its Iron Dome defense system, the rockets have continued to fly.
But left-wing groups, and progressive lawmakers, have blamed Israel for the violence, describing it as an "apartheid state" committing "war crimes" and other atrocities on Palestinian civilians, who Hamas frequently treats like human shields, attracting airstrikes on high-rise buildings that share space with civilians.
The Israeli Defense Forces say they warn civilians ahead of strikes on such locations, giving them time to run for safety before leveling Hamas facilities.
"Israel fights to protect its civilians," the IDF tweeted Tuesday. "Hamas uses civilians to protect itself."
I'm sure that in the minds of BLM leaders it would be a simple matter of declaring the Palestinians as "the oppressed" and Israel as "the oppressors." That is the way such people think, as do others in our society. It is a tortured form of logic, conceived within our universities and now poisoning our society. It is the similarity between Hamas and BLM that is most striking. One could argue that both are terrorist organizations.
Trump and his supporters are off topic.
I am off topic.
Some of us separate Palestinians from whoever rules them and Israelis from who rules them. I side with the citizens of either, not with the rulers.
As to calling BLM being a terrorist organization ... that's just plain dumb, but wholly expected.
Then I'll have to turn to someone who thinks he's not dumb.
Tell us why such a violent organization that has gone totally immune from US law shouldn't be declared a terrorist organization?
Tell us why you conflate the 2, to make some cheap socio-political point that does nothing but further divide? That's just great!
Because the similarities are striking. Both are radical organizations that use violence and the threat of violence as their chief MO. You think it divides us to call out an organization that has wreaked such violence and mayhem? I think what divides us is embracing such an organization as the current president & vp have done.
Is that how the non-dumb reason?
Get back to me when BLM has 1/10,000th of the fire power available to Hamas.
Oh, so rockets are the litmus test!
Got it.
Congratulations!
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If you are trying to start a 'ticket' catfight, do it with yourself.
If I wanted to do that I'd call your comment "just plain dumb."
That would not have worked. You do understand the difference between calling someone a liar and the statement they made a lie?
Ya, it's called skirting the code as opposed to openly violating it.
Some of our regular hecklers are experts at it..
You just did.
You're sure? Is that the way 'such people' think? 'As do others in our society'? Who are these 'others' in society. How would you know that? What they/how they think?
BLM a terrorist organization?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Didn't you tell us the other day that you back the Palestinians?
As I said on another seed, and previously for a long time, although I support many of the causes of the black people, because BLM supports BDS and the Palestinians (which is none of their fucking business and just reduces their virtue) they can shove their BLM up their asses.
As far as I'm concerned FUCK ISRAEL.
Is that a parting shot?
It just did that trick as far as I'm concerned.
You mean it's a revelation?
It wasn't for me.
I have my personal red lines.
So do I.
FUCK BLM AND HAMAS
There is nothing surprising here
BLM and Hamas are both terrorist organizations
Israel said they will not stop until hamas is gun shy... LOL
Israel should bomb Hamas into oblivion.
Gaza is one of the densest populated places on the planet. For Israel to "bomb Hamas into oblivion" it would take countless civilian casualties. That would create how many more terrorists and fighters for Israel to face as people flock to the Hamas banner in Lebanon, Jordan, Syria, and Egypt? It that type of short sighted thinking that has gotten things to where they are today.
Israel has every right to defend themselves. But they need to do so within reason; and not create even more terrorists to face down the road.
That acting with reason only guaranteed future bs from hamas in the past
Forget reason. Israel should try something different and bomb hamas into unconditional surrender.
That's why Hamas hides among the people and conducts their terrorist attacks from these populated areas. They know there will be civilian deaths and that's exactly what they want, they cause the war and blame Israel for the deaths. It's how they maintain power, a terrorist organization has no power if there's peace. They need to keep the hate alive in order to survive. In that way they are very similar the BLM.
With the exception of Hiroshima & Nagasaki..... history has proven that bombing campaigns only create high civilian body counts, and elevated fighting resolve by those that have nothing left to lose.
Suggest you read the biography's of Sir Arthur "bomber" Harris, General Curtis "hard ass" Lemay.
I agree with you completely. Hamas wants high Palestinian civilian casualties. It plays well to western media; and UN Resolutions. They don't even care about their fighters. With each death more fighters flock to the Hamas banner.
However, Israel isn't doing itself any favors by the Separation Wall and settlement growth and expansion in the West Bank. Hamas can claim that they are protesting Israel's subjugation of the Palestinian people in the West Bank. It seems to working as Hamas is creeping into the West Bank and threatening the PA rule there.
The Palestinian people are going to suffer no matter who is in charge. The terrorist Hamas; the corrupt weak malignant PA; or Israel that thinks Jordan is really Palestine, and is taking every action it can to make that a reality.
Furthermore...... elevated body counts pushes the sides apart and further into the hands of the power seeking leaders of the PA, Hamas, and Israel perpetrating the violence to begin with. The way humans are wired, it is much easier to elevate fear and hatred than it is to get them to contemplate and seek solutions.
So israel should acquiesce to hamas and accept the bombings? LOL
I'm sure israel can bomb hamas into submission every ten yrs or so if required
The people of Palestine should get better govt.
Hamas brings them nothing but death.
If the people want a terrorist org running their govt they deserve every bomb they catch.
I don't think that is what he is saying.
The circular violence is pushing all sides apart making any chance at peace unrealistic.
You will notice that it is just not Hamas this time; but Palestinians inside of Israel as well. Israel is doing itself no favors by it's continued crack down on Palestinians within their own country- limiting their political power; limiting their opportunity for housing and growth; and making sure that they continue to be second and third class citizens. Also, the Separation Wall and increased settlements within the West Bank. None of which is helpful if Israel really wants to make peace. Also, the Palestinians are supposed to be all one people; yet Israel does everything within their power to keep them divided and fighting among themselves.
That whole "Israel is the only Democracy in the Middle East" argument doesn't last once you get past the surface.
Can't blame anyone for losing patience and going about feathering their own nest when they've given the others 70 years to accept the numerous opportunities offered to them to create their own country in peace and security and use the probably billions of dollars donated to them over the years to build a beneficial society (only to find most of it syphoned off into Swiss bank accounts). Are you saying Israel is obligated to be its brother's keeper?
Exactly.
And that's why we were neverable to defeat Nazi Germany!
(People need to remember-- your can't end wars-- or dislodge Fascist government by bombing or any other military means-- you have to negotiate in a reasonable way with fascists, terror organization like Hamas, and the like!!!)
Of course you could say the same thing about the U.S. as well (Not being a democracy).
Probably almost every country in the world, in fact!!!!!
Perhaps.
But the fact is that Hamas has ruled Gaza with an iron fist ever since they gained independence from Israel.
Body count or no bodycount...Hamas rules!!!
Yes, I can blame Israel for constantly trying to get agreements that no one with any sanity would take. No free air space? Restricted water rights? Restricted access to port; and how far out vessels will be allowed to operate for fishing? Keeping the West Bank and Gaza physically separated so trade and travel between the two are just about impossible. Sounds like a real winner when it comes to creating a country. I can also blame them for treating Palestinians living within Israel proper like second and third rate citizens.
What part of weak and corrupt don't you understand? When I call the PA that it isn't a compliment. They are literally being bought off by the US and Israel. I fully blame the PA for that. They are not representing the best interests of their people. They are enriching themselves for the eventual fallout. Either after Israel takes what land and resources it wants and declares it's borders and forces out all of the Palestinians into what remains of the West Bank; or Hamas finally gets enough power in the West Bank to remove the PA completely. The upper echelon of the PA probably already have the country they are going to "retire to" picked out; and more than enough stolen money to make sure they and their family are set for generations. The US and Israel are both fully aware; and don't give a shit so long as the PA keeps the Palestinians under their control suppressed.
I also called Hamas a terrorist organization that doesn't give a rats ass about the people they are supposed to be representing. Please tell me that I somehow support Hamas? They are fighting a war they can never win; and they don't give a shit. They are taking money and weapons from Iran; and alienating every other Arab country that would be willing to financially support a future developing Palestinian state. They spend more money on bunkers and weapons than things their people actually need. Of course they know anything built will soon be blown up by Israel anyways- Hamas will make sure of that.
The US is not some great ambassador of peace between the Palestinians and Israel. We send aide, military aide, and financial aide to Israel every year like clockwork in ever increasing amounts. We pay off the PA to keep their people suppressed while Israel does it's land grab in the West Bank. Like with Iraq, Syria, Yemen, Ukraine, Afghanistan, and so many other quagmires the US loves to stick itself into; and then we sit around and wonder why the next time a terrorist attack is carried out on US soil.
I am allowed to say a pox on all of their houses. We would be much better off keeping our damn money at home; and building our own country up. In case no one has heard we have crumbling highways; bridges; rail lines and ports that our exceedingly outdated; electrical grids that cannot handling the growing population and technology needs; and a host of other things that need to be addressed. We can't even control our own damn borders; but somehow we have military in every damn corner of the earth!
We have been stuck on stupid so damn long when it comes to foreign policy that now it is just somehow accepted!
To win Israel must wipe out Hamas everywhere. That means in Egypt, Jordan, Syria, and Lebanon. So you would fully support Israel starting full scale invasions and occupations of all of those countries as that is what it would take to remove Hamas and make sure they don't return. You can't just "bomb them into submission" or whatever other terms you want to use. More Palestinians will flock to the Hamas banner to replace those killed. Hamas doesn't give a shit how many die; they can always recruit more.
You're saying that being offered 97% of what they demanded didn't include access to necessities of life, and how do you rationalize the fact that the Palestinians consistently REFUSED to even negotiate, but just got up and walked away from the table?
What was the 3 percent that was left out Buzz? Notice you didn't even try to refute post 4.1.15. Could that be the 3% you are talking about? I left out a few details. Israel wanted the future of major Israeli settlements in the West Bank to be left out for further negotiations down the road. Palestinian future capital being in East Jerusalem was a no go. And Palestinian right of return was left out as well (Admittedly never going to happen; but Israel should be forced to compensate them- so they can at least have a chance at a life somewhere else). Now why would the Palestinians object to that?/S
You seem to confuse me with someone that hasn't stated repeatedly that the Palestinian leadership sucks; and in no way represents the best interests of the Palestinian people. That doesn't excuse the Israeli government's piss poor treatment of the Palestinians living within their borders; stealing the land of the West Bank Palestinians; and making sure that the Palestinian people in the Gaza strip suffer as much as possible for being under Hamas rule.
All 3 governments are wrong. It is a perfect triangle of stupid. One that we have sent US tax dollars to for far too long.
How is Hamas in Gaza is getting materials for their rockets? That would be from the Hamas pipeline in Egypt. Think they are going to stop just because Hamas in Gaza is getting attacked?
There are factions of Hamas in Syria and Lebanon as well- they have attacked Israel with rockets in response to Gaza.
I am sure Hamas would love a full scale invasion by Israel of Syria, Lebanon, and Egypt to try and eradicate them. It would force Sunni Arab countries to actually take a stance- either throwing their Sunni brethren in Lebanon and Egypt under the Israeli bus; or come out directly against Israel. No more fence sitting allowed. No more "Israel is better than Iran; and Hamas is an agent of Iran"
In case you missed it Israel tried the whole remove Hamas from Lebanon by ground approach recently; it didn't accomplish what they wanted.
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To stop Hamas you need to cut off their Iranian money. Killing their foot soldiers won't accomplish anything- more will flock to their ranks to more than replace any lost.
Hey Ronin2, you should have been put in charge of the whole area - at least you don't choose sides but despise all sides equally.
Whatever the 3% was, the Palestinians did not even try to negotiate for it, proving that they did not come to the table to make a deal unless it was what they really wanted, a Judenfrei Israel, or as they express it, "Palestine shall be free, from the river to the sea." I suppose just because Hamas contains in their constitution the destruction of Israel and the killing of the Jews, they're okay guys as far as the Israelis are concerned.
It seems to me that Israel does more to preserve civilian lives than any army had done in history. They actually warn the citizens to leave the places they intend to bomb. Did America warn the citizens of Hiroshima and Nagasaki that they intended to fry them alive? If so many Gazans died, blame Hamas for using human shields.
By the way, interesting that you mention Jordan in your comment 4.1.15. Are you aware of the Jordan Option - it was a suggested solution to the quagmire and included Israel putting up lots of money and effort to settle the Palestinians there. I guess you knew that more Palestinians live in Jordan than all other Palestinians everywhere combined and in fact it is the REAL Palestine. Did you know about Black September where more Palestinians were killed than ever killed by anyone and it wasn't Israelis or Jews who did it, it was a massacre, but not at all newsworthy because after all, since the media couldn't blame the Jews or Israel it didn't fit their agenda.
Oh, and in my opinion, it is the Palestinians who are the "occupiers" of Israeli land, ever since Israel conquered those lands in a defensive war, not the other way around. And the Arabs who live in Israel as SO mistreated, they sit as judges, even on the Israeli Supreme Court, munical officials, teachers, medical staff in Israeli hospitals, have political parties as part of the Knesset, vote, serve in the IDF, carry on their businesses and pray in their mosques. In fact, a poll taken some time ago indicated that the vast majority of them would rather remain in Israel than live in ANY ARAB COUNTRY. I personally interviewed Arab doctors, nurses and staff in Netanya's Orthodox Jewish Laniado Hospital and they were completely satisfied with their life in Israel, and during Jewish holidays they are in complete control of the hospital. Amazing, eh, - Have YOU ever interviewed Arabs who live in Israel, and in fact since you are so opinionated about it, have you ever even BEEN to Israel I've been there more than once, even to the West Bank, and to Jordan and Egypt - and that does make me feel just a little bit knowledgeable of what I speak.
Oh, and Ronin2, I just noticed that you mentioned the shelling from Lebanon to northern Israel, and it reminded me of my visit to a Kibbutz in northern Israel and having to run and hide in a bomb shelter when the area was being bombed by Lebanon. Have you ever had to run and hide in a bomb shelter when bombs were falling near you? Now THERE'S something I bet you/ve never personally experienced but I guess you know all about it from reading some biased news report from which you're able to find the "facts" that you've posted and upon which you've formed your opinions.
Well hot damn, we agree on all points. You and I don’t agree about much but it seems like we are both tired of the same old bullshit between Israel and the Palestinians and would rather the US just say “fuck it, you all figure it out without us or our money.”
They aren’t going to have peace until both sides make concessions that neither side is willing to make.
I despise the governments and leaders of all 3 sides equally. I don't despise the general population in any of the countries; outside of the hard line radicals that want to make life impossible for everyone. I don't think anyone would want me in charge. They would all hate me equally as I wouldn't put up with any of their BS. It would be the only thing all sides would agree on. I am not really a people person. As I get older I find I need other people less and less.
Of course I am aware of it. It is the very reason I mentioned; and that it is not an option.
Yes, there are more Palestinians living there than anywhere else. That is were many fled during the multiple wars. They live like they do in Lebanon, Syria, and Egypt, and Israel- as second and third class citizens at best. Just because more Palestinians live there does not make Jordan Palestine.
I had several Middle East history courses between high school and college. I don't claim on having a grasp of everything down to the internal clan and tribal wars; but the major events I am aware of. Black September was a massacre; and just because the media didn't cover it doesn't diminish it any way. It just further proves that Jordan is not Palestine.
In case you need further proof that Jordan is not Palestine. Listen to the Jordanians themselves.
Jordan doesn't want to be responsible for pissed off Palestinians attacking Israel from Jordan and whatever Israel decides will remain of the West Bank; any more than Egypt wants to be responsible for the Gaza Strip. Israel has already proven they won't hesitate to attack any country that has Palestinians in it that attack them. Lebanon and Syria know that from repeated experience. Jordan is not nearly as strong militarily as Egypt and with a large Palestinian population might not come out on top on a second war with them. Especially with Israel taking out what little military they have in retaliation.
Not according to several UN Security Council Resolutions, and the UN General Assembly. Of course people like to pick and choose when to heed the UN depending on how it rules for their interests.
Yes Buzz, believe it or not I know Palestinians living in Israel; admittedly not nearly as many that live in the West Bank and Gaza. That includes one lawyer that has way too much business on his hands- his clients are Palestinians that are denied housing permits or expansions. It must gall the Palestinians to need him so much; as he married an American woman before returning to Israel to complete his law degree. She didn't even convert to Islam for him. He is very well off an wouldn't live anywhere else; of course the same cannot be said of his clients.
Tell me, if the Palestinians in Israel are all so happy and have so many rights and better opportunities; why were they recently rioting?
Thanks for the good read. I've posted elsewhere the legal background for the evictions of the squatters, and the reducing of the numbers at the gate was to comply with the coronavirus crowd restrictions, and the presence of the Israelis at the mosque was because the Arabs were pelting the Jews praying at the Western Wall with rocks etc. So obviously the Arabs weren't happy with that and rioted. Hey, you can believe what you read and are told and so can I and we can both go to sleep tonight satisfied that each of us is right even if we believe totally different perspectives. I don't want to argue, I just want to enjoy reading all the anti-Israel biased news reports.
To answer your last question; no I have never been to Israel, West Bank, or Gaza. I was supposed to go there in the 1990's with my friend to visit his extended family in the West Bank & Gaza. We would have had to enter through Israel; and would have spent several days there sight seeing. I even had permission for the trip from Israel- despite my work with the Palestinian group. I canceled a few days before I was supposed to go. I was warned by the family in the West Bank I was to stay with that it wasn't safe for me to come. Seems that a few family members that were less than thrilled by my visit let it slip I was coming to some groups that would love to take a US citizen hostage. It was even less safe for me in Gaza. Me being an American outweighed any work I had done on behalf of the Palestinians. I left the organization shortly after that; but I tried to stay in touch with the friends I had made.
I have no plans on visiting there. If I travel; which at this point seems less and less likely. It is going to be around the US, including Alaska and Hawaii. As I have stated I am not a people person. The idea of dealing with any large amount of strangers doesn't appeal to me anymore. Neither do language and culture barriers when traveling abroad.
Have a good day. Hawaii was great half a century ago when I was there - hope it still is for you.
Won't work...because Hamas wants that. The more Palestinians are killed, the more it gains them sympathy. (Remember, Hamas is not an "ordinary" government-- they are not ordinary politicians, nor are they true leaders. They are a barbaric terror organization. They could care less about any loss of Palestinian lives...well, actually they do-- the more deaths and suffering the better from their POV.
As a strong supporter of Israel (though not of its current government), I think the smart move for Israel would be to unilaterally declare a total cease fire! Not launch a single attack! And demand Hamas does the same.
What would that accomplish? it would call Hamas bluff (because based on much past experience, Hamas would not be ably to control themselves when it comes to killing Jews....once they start. And when that occurs (and Israes stands down) maybe some of the gullible folks who fall for Hamas propaganda might finally wake up.
(Well, maybe some will...???)
That is why they should be removed and right now Israel has a chance to do that if they do not stop
That's one option.
And it will work-- for a while.
In fact, this is a situation that repeats every few years. Delusional Gazans think they can destroy Israel-- so they start a war, firing vast numbers of rockets at Israeli civilian targets. The world urges Israel to restrain themselves and not retaliate, but eventually they must. Eventually the Gazans come to their senses,and there's a cease fire....which keeps getting extended.
But then the urge come back! This time they're sure they can exterminate those pesky Jws, and the cycle begins again.
I will agree with you except on one point.
It should be "Delusional Hamas radicals think they can destroy Israel". I don't think the leadership of Hamas, or the general population of Gaza that suffer the most from the retaliation, think they will win. Hamas removes all dissenters in Gaza. It isn't safe for Palestinians living there to speak out against them.
It is not like they can vote them out either when the last elections held were in 2006. Even with new elections chances are very slim Hamas will lose in Gaza; and with them gaining strength in the West Bank they may gain power there as well. The PA is corrupt, weak, fractured, and can't take a strong stance on anything in fear of risking Israel and US money.
"Israel fights to protect its civilians," the IDF tweeted Tuesday. "Hamas uses civilians to protect itself."
The Palestinians really deserve better leadership than Hamas and the PA; but that is who they are stuck with.
Hamas doesn't give a shit about their people. It is simple as that. I don't understand how anyone can think they do? Hamas is never going to win a war with Israel, period. They simply don't have the arms, numbers, and training to do it. Even if their factions in Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, and Egypt all joined and went at it with everything they had they would still all lose. Hamas burned all of their bridges with the rest of the Arab world when they took money, weapons, and training from Iran. The rockets they are firing into Israel aren't doing anything but empowering Bibi; allowing him to rally the rest of Israel to his banner- and giving him an excuse for harsher retaliation.
As for the PA, formerly the PLO. They care just as little about their people as Hamas does. The PA simply wants to stay in power; and they are in a very weak position. They need to appease the US and Israel to keep the money flowing in (to themselves); at the same time they need to try an look like they are not against Hamas. Hamas is creeping into the West Bank; and the PA's power is threatened. They may be forced out violently the same way they were in Gaza. Of course Israel isn't doing the PA any favors with their Separation Wall; and increased settlement expansion in the West Bank.
I feel badly for the Palestinian people; but until they ditch the PA and Hamas things are not going to get better.
It will take some very brave people to shed the PA and Hamas.
Unfortunately that is about as likely to happen as a legitimate 3rd party forming in the US to challenge the Democrats and Republicans.
There are a few Palestinian and Israeli businesses that are trying to work together; and form stronger bonds that benefit both sides. Unfortunately they are viewed as appeasers by the Palestinians; and will be so long as the Separation Wall and settlement expansion continue in the West Bank.
It is the grim reality.
Oh the poor dears-- they have no say over who they choose to be their leaders...none!
/sarc
Do you know anyone in the West Bank and Gaza that disappeared? I do; and I know that Israel damn well didn't take them (or their friends and family). Defying Hamas or the PA isn't good for one's health.
Again, the last elections were in 2006. They are supposed to be holding elections again shortly. Hamas stands the best chance of taking control of everything; and they know it. My only question is if the PA leadership will stay and fight; or take the money they have been hording and retire somewhere nicer leaving their foot solders and underlings to take fallout from a Hamas victory?
Given what happened in Gaza after they lost- they will be enjoying their lives with the rest of their families elsewhere; telling anyone that will listen how badly they feel for what is happening in he West Bank.
Actually I do to..
But.
Imagine you had a friend who was a serious alcoholic. Ruining his own life and that of his family. He keeps promising he's about to give it up. You feel great sympathy. Want to help him. Even loan him money. Spends hours giving him advice, trying to help him. But he never changes.
So you're the prefect enabler....
(Anyone familiar with Alcoholics Anonymous or for that matter any 12 Step Program will recognize these sorts of addictions).
But one day, you realize its hopeless-- you realize he's never going go to change.
In that analogy, the Palestinians (well, not every single one, but certainly the majority) are that alcoholic. They have an addiction-- an addiction to try to make the Middle east Judenfrei. (Based upon their own perverted interpretation of the Holy Koran). A goal they feel so strongly about that they're even willing to give up their life for it...
Perhaps what we need is a new 12 Step Group..."Palestinians Anonymous"?
I remembered this and just sought it to post here. It is Hamas' secret weapon against the Jews.
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Column: Palestine must choose life over love of death
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Dec 08, 2012 · We witnessed Hamas' chilling credo last month when the terrorist group created and released a video aimed at the public with one message: "We love death more than you love life."
We witnessed Hamas' chilling credo last month when the terrorist group created and released a video aimed at the public with one message: "We love death more than you love life."
Here's a better link to the video-- although it may not work for you in China (?)
Also, this video is not about the terror group Hamas but rather the "more moderate" PA:
[Note: "Shada" means martyrdom-- seeking death for Allah. (Peace be Upon Him!)
WARNING: Some people may find this video to be extremely upsetting.
Maybe Israel should cause a change in the government of Gaza
They can't.
You have to remember that Gaza is not an occupied territory it is an independent, Fascist state. .
Its not an "occupied territory" or a colony.... is a totally independent "Palestinian State"-- with total self rule.
And the government that they themselves have chosen is Hamas. its not a traditional political party-- its a terroist group ....maintaining total control by terror. (Not just against israel, but also against their own citizens).
Trying to create a change in the Palestinian Reich-let would be like causing a change is an ISIS ruled Reichlet....
There's only one way to keep a brutal terrorist group like hamas under control-- occupy Gaza.
Been there...done that.
Israel did occupy gaza for a while.
And the economy was booming under israeli occupation.
But the Israel left and totally ended their occupation.
(They wanted to turn Gaza over to its previous rulers-- but they also didn't want ti!!!
So Gaza became independent and had self rule-- but the rule was by the terror organization Hamas.
I think only America is good at doing that, like when they installed the Shah as leader of Iran.
The Shah was a stable influence on the middle east. The US under Jimmy Carter let him fall (another thing the US is good at.)
Yeah, it's always a good thing when you overthrow a duly elected leader of a country at the behest of oil companies. /s
I was thinking that the reason countries like the u.s. can do that is because we are such a great power. Not a good idea to disagree with us too strongly. Ditto Russia and other major powers. Smaller countries don't have that kind of power.
America love to tell other countries how to run their country, and we are generally sucessful.
A tiny country like Israel can't.
As was Stalin...and Hitler (until he was defeated).
America has been doing its damndest to tell China how to run its country but it's not having much success with that.
I think you mean the Ottoman Empire
I'll be glad to follow the China's lead in their handling of dissidents and criminals.
"Black Lives Matter stands in solidarity with Palestinians,"
Like I needed another reason to dislike and not trust BLM.
I'm no fan of BLM either. But I think that sometimes their influence may be exxaggerated.
Two things Hamas and BLM have in common is that they are both radical and racist as can be!
There are some differences however. Hamas are religious fanatics. .. a Brutal Theocracy. They also have total control of a country (or part of it...if you think "Palestine" should consist of both Gaza and The West Bank). And while BLM may have some radical ideas-- IIRC they stated goal is not to totally extermine their enemies...although is. (Its in their Charter...unless they finally changed it).
I don't like BLM, but I don't see it as a major threat.
To quote a line from the movie "Ladyhawke", "Great storms announce themselves with a single breeze, and a single random spark can ignite the fires of rebellion." That could potentially apply to BLM. Maybe a tad overdramatic, maybe not.
What a stupid comment The BLM is a movement, they are not racist.
Would you call "White Lives Matter" racist?
As a response to Black Lives Matter? YES
A little off topic perhaps...but Michael Che and Colin Jost are rather zany comedians. In a recent skit Che (who is Black) jokingly says:
I'm the only Black Person that brave enough to say this on live TV but Blue Lives matter even more!
(You'd have to have been there ---> SEEDED VIDEO.)
Of course some people are probably too uptight to appreciate their "unconventional" sense of humor.
When one ethnic group promotes itself solely to the exclusion of others, it is in fact racist! I am a firm believer that all lives matter.