Former Defense Secretary Robert Gates said none of the 8 presidents he served would recognize the GOP today, saying its values are 'hard to find these days'

  

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By:   wbostock@businessinsider.com (Bill Bostock) 3 hrs ago (MSN)

Former Defense Secretary Robert Gates said none of the 8 presidents he served would recognize the GOP today, saying its values are 'hard to find these days'
Robert Gates told CBS he agreed that Trump's baseless election claims provided the US's enemies an opportunity to say it's "a declining power."

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© CBS Former Defense Secretary Robert Gates on "Face the Nation" on Sunday. CBS

  • Robert Gates told CBS on Sunday that traditional GOP values were "hard to find these days."
  • He said none of the presidents he served, including five Republicans, would recognize the party now.
  • He agreed that Trump's election claims gave enemies an opportunity to say the US is "a declining power."
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Former Defense Secretary Robert Gates rebuked the Republican Party on Sunday, saying none of the presidents he served would recognize it today.

"I worked for eight presidents. Five of them were Republicans. I don't think any of them would recognize the Republican Party today," Gates, a Republican, told CBS News' "Face the Nation."

"The values and the principles that the Republican Party stood for under those five presidents are hard to find these days," he told the host John Dickerson.

Dickerson also asked whether the Capitol riot and former President Donald Trump's baseless claims that the 2020 election was rigged gave "an opportunity to America's enemies to say America is a declining power," and Gates said he agreed.

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But Gates said he didn't think many Republican lawmakers actually thought the 2020 election was fraudulent, calling the claim "political gaming rather than a real conviction."

He also praised Rep. Liz Cheney, who earlier this month was ousted from her congressional GOP leadership role for refusing to back Trump's election-fraud claims, saying she was a person "of real integrity."

Gates began his career with the CIA in the late 1960s and ended it as President Barack Obama's defense secretary in 2011. He had also served Presidents Lyndon B. Johnson, Richard Nixon, Gerald Ford, Jimmy Carter, Ronald Reagan, George H. W. Bush, and George W. Bush.


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FLYNAVY1
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1  seeder  FLYNAVY1    3 weeks ago

I'm sure Robert Gates is considered a RINO these days.

I always considered him pretty centered, and a person that put country first.  Eight of our former presidents seemed to think so.....

 
 
 
Kavika
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2  Kavika     3 weeks ago

They have become the party of ''no'' and delusional thinking. 

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
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2.1  seeder  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Kavika @2    3 weeks ago

How many times does a person need to hear at a dinner party that they've had enough to drink before they get the message and decide to sit down.....  

The GOP right now is filled with bad drunks.  They are either drunk on their own power, or drunk on the lies told by their leaders.  In some cases, both.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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3  Trout Giggles    3 weeks ago

He served quite a few presidents. I think he knows what he's talking about

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
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3.1  seeder  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Trout Giggles @3    3 weeks ago

I'd say he's a Goldwater Republican.... pretty much where I'm at.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
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3.1.1  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @3.1    3 weeks ago

I still remember when he got up in the Pope's grill when he condoned overpopulation (large families).  Goldwater said to him "You no playa the game, you no makea the rules."  

 
 
 
devangelical
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3.1.2  devangelical  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @3.1.1    3 weeks ago

goldwater knew what a domestic threat bible thumpers posed to our democracy.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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3.1.3  Texan1211  replied to  devangelical @3.1.2    3 weeks ago

yep, a real threat, they may pray for you or something!

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
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3.1.4  seeder  FLYNAVY1  replied to  devangelical @3.1.2    3 weeks ago

goldwater knew what a domestic threat bible thumpers posed to our democracy.

Yep, accepted dumbing down of society while creating division within America.  The "were closer to God than you are so were better" syndrome.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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4  Tessylo    3 weeks ago

Todays' gop/gqp/republicans have no values or standards or principles or morals or empathy or . . . . . . . . . . . . 

#45 and his criminal enterprise of an administration tried to burn it all down and give us a great big fuck you on their way out the door and they're still at it now with all these bogus recounts

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They should never get a chance to get anywhere near the White House for very long time    

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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4.1  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Tessylo @4    3 weeks ago
Todays' gop/gqp/republicans have no values or standards or principles or morals or empathy

It's because a serial liar and accused sexual predator whispered sweet nothings in their ear like "I'll ban abortion, build a wall to keep out the Mexicans and give America back to white Christian evangelicals..." then grabbed them by the pussy, and instead of slapping the hand away they grabbed his wrist and tried to shove it in further like a desperate deplorable prostitute.

 
 
 
Duck Hawk
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4.1.1  Duck Hawk  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @4.1    3 weeks ago

lovely description, LMAO, sounds like it's pretty accurate. I'm sure their god will have something to say to them. Ignoring your tenants of faith for political expediency is is truly "Christ-Like." 

small "c" Christians anyone. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
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5  Texan1211    3 weeks ago

The man stated his opinion, nothing more.

Just as we ALL have our own opinions.

His is no more valid than anyone else's.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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5.1  Ozzwald  replied to  Texan1211 @5    3 weeks ago

The man stated his opinion, nothing more.

Just as we ALL have our own opinions.

His is no more valid than anyone else's.

His experience gives it a lot more validity than any common person's opinion.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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5.1.1  Tessylo  replied to  Ozzwald @5.1    3 weeks ago

Yes indeed!

 
 
 
Texan1211
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5.1.2  Texan1211  replied to  Ozzwald @5.1    3 weeks ago
His experience gives it a lot more validity than any common person's opinion.

That would be a classic example of you voicing an opinion--just like Gates!

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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5.1.3  Ozzwald  replied to  Texan1211 @5.1.2    3 weeks ago

That would be a classic example of you voicing an opinion--just like Gates!

So if you want someone's opinion about a strange looking mole on your back.  Would you ask the opinion of a doctor or a plumber?

 
 
 
Texan1211
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5.1.4  Texan1211  replied to  Ozzwald @5.1.3    3 weeks ago

This isn't a medical question. It is simply one man voicing his opinion. Which everyone is entitled to have. Doesn't make the opinion right or wrong, it just is.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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5.1.5  Ozzwald  replied to  Texan1211 @5.1.4    3 weeks ago
This isn't a medical question.

Dodging the question again.

It is simply one man voicing his opinion.

About your mole?  Correct, but who are you going to listen to?  The doctor or the plumber?

Which everyone is entitled to have.

You are reaching to evade the question.

Doesn't make the opinion right or wrong, it just is.

Who is more likely to be right?  The doctor or the plumber?

 
 
 
Texan1211
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5.1.6  Texan1211  replied to  Ozzwald @5.1.5    3 weeks ago

Opinion is opinion is opinion.

 
 
 
Duck Hawk
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5.1.7  Duck Hawk  replied to  Texan1211 @5.1.6    3 weeks ago

some are just founded more on facts and actual knowledge than others...

 
 
 
Texan1211
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5.1.8  Texan1211  replied to  Duck Hawk @5.1.7    3 weeks ago

Not in dispute, but an opinion is only that.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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5.1.9  Ozzwald  replied to  Texan1211 @5.1.6    3 weeks ago

Opinion is opinion is opinion.

So you are saying that if you had a suspicious mole on your back, you would be just as willing to ask a plumber about it, as a doctor, and would accept the plumber's opinion?

I call bull on your claim.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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5.1.10  Texan1211  replied to  Ozzwald @5.1.9    3 weeks ago
So you are saying that if you had a suspicious mole on your back, you would be just as willing to ask a plumber about it, as a doctor, and would accept the plumber's opinion?

I made no such claim. That statement is a bald-face lie.

Instead of inventing and fabricating whatever it is you WISH i had stated, why not do the intellectually honest thing and debate MY words, not the ones you dreamt up?

 
 
 
Tessylo
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5.1.11  Tessylo  replied to  Duck Hawk @5.1.7    3 weeks ago

Mr. Gates' opinion carries much more weight than some random person from Texas.  Mr. Gates' opinion has validity.  [deleted]

 
 
 
Texan1211
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5.1.12  Texan1211  replied to  Ozzwald @5.1.9    3 weeks ago
I call bull on your claim.

And may I ask what claim you have invented I made now?

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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5.1.13  Sean Treacy  replied to  Tessylo @5.1.11    3 weeks ago

r . Gates' opinion carries much more weight than some random person from Texas.  Mr. Gates' opinion has validity.

"I think he ( Biden) has been wrong on nearly every major foreign policy and national security issue over the past four decades"

-Robert Gates

 
 
 
Texan1211
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5.1.14  Texan1211  replied to  Sean Treacy @5.1.13    3 weeks ago

And just like that, Robert's opinions were no longer valid.

LMMFAO!

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
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5.1.15  seeder  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Texan1211 @5.1.14    3 weeks ago

Today's topic:  The Unrecognizable GOP of today.

Stay on topic or be gone...

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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5.1.16  Ozzwald  replied to  Texan1211 @5.1.10    3 weeks ago
I made no such claim.

That's your opinion, and we all know how much your opinion is worth according to your own statement. 

An opinion is opinion is opinion.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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5.1.17  Texan1211  replied to  Ozzwald @5.1.16    3 weeks ago

it is a matter of fact. not opinion, that I made no claim.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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5.1.18  Texan1211  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @5.1.15    3 weeks ago

is Robert Gates' opinion part of the topic?

 
 
 
pat wilson
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5.1.19  pat wilson  replied to  Sean Treacy @5.1.13    3 weeks ago

The topic of the article is Gates' opinion of today's gop values or lack thereof.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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5.1.20  Sean Treacy  replied to  pat wilson @5.1.19    3 weeks ago

Are all his opinions valid?   The claim was that is his opinions carry much more weight than the average person.  Is that true? Or just the ones where he attacks the GOP.

 
 
 
pat wilson
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5.1.21  pat wilson  replied to  Sean Treacy @5.1.20    3 weeks ago
his opinions carry much more weight than the average person.  Is that true?

Yes, he was Secretary of Defense for eight presidents, Repubs and Dems. He's not "the average person".

I don't think he "attacked the GOP". I think he's appalled at the state of the GOP.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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5.1.22  Texan1211  replied to  pat wilson @5.1.21    3 weeks ago

actually, he was not Secretary of Defense under 8 Presidents, he was in that role from 2006 until 2011

 
 
 
pat wilson
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5.1.23  pat wilson  replied to  pat wilson @5.1.21    3 weeks ago

5.1.22  is greyed out. You are on "Ignore" and I don't see your comments. Don't wasted your time posting to me.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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5.1.24  Texan1211  replied to  pat wilson @5.1.23    3 weeks ago

just the facts. ma'am!

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
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5.1.25  seeder  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Texan1211 @5.1.8    3 weeks ago

There is a huge difference between an informed opinion and an uninformed opinion.

One is backed up with facts and data, the other usually ignores things like that.  

 
 
 
Texan1211
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5.1.26  Texan1211  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @5.1.25    3 weeks ago

uh, ok.

 
 
 
cjcold
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5.1.27  cjcold  replied to  Texan1211 @5.1.12    3 weeks ago

Stop trolling. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
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5.1.28  Texan1211  replied to  cjcold @5.1.27    3 weeks ago

Stop talking to me.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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6  Nerm_L    3 weeks ago

Robert Gates claims the five Republican Presidents he served would not recognize today's Republican Party.

 Would someone, please, explain why that is a bad thing.  

 
 
 
Texan1211
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6.1  Texan1211  replied to  Nerm_L @6    3 weeks ago

Yeah, I don't get that, either.

Aren't Democrats always bragging how they are no longer the Party of slavery,  the Civil War, and Jim Crow?

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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6.2  Trout Giggles  replied to  Nerm_L @6    3 weeks ago

His name is Robert

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
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6.2.1  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  Trout Giggles @6.2    3 weeks ago
His name is Robert

You beat me by 16 seconds.  I went back through the seed to look for Bill's involvement, but couldn't find anything about it.  

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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6.2.2  Nerm_L  replied to  Trout Giggles @6.2    3 weeks ago
His name is Robert

Yes, it is.  Robert Gates.  My mistake.  I've edited my error.  Thank you for pointing it out.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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6.2.3  Trout Giggles  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @6.2.1    3 weeks ago

I almost screwed up and said his name was David.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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6.2.4  JohnRussell  replied to  Trout Giggles @6.2.3    3 weeks ago

You have now exhausted the world supply of well known Gates. 

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
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6.3  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  Nerm_L @6    3 weeks ago

Not sure what Bill Gates has to do with any of this.  Please clarify. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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6.3.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @6.3    3 weeks ago

Posters should always try to check their entries for typos. If you don't you are potentially subject to correction/mild ridicule. 

Better safe than sorry. 

What don't they understand about that ? 

 
 
 
Texan1211
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6.3.2  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @6.3.1    3 weeks ago
What don't they understand about that ? 

What makes you think he doesn't understand it?

Was it his post admitting an error?

 
 
 
Texan1211
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6.4  Texan1211  replied to  Nerm_L @6    3 weeks ago

Oh, gee, gosh, Nerm, you got the first name wrong!!

STOP THE PRESSES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That "obviously" is far more important than anything else in your post!

LMAO!

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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6.5  JohnRussell  replied to  Nerm_L @6    3 weeks ago
Gates claims the five Republican Presidents he served would not recognize today's Republican Party.  Would someone, please, explain why that is a bad thing.  

Well, you are correct in the sense that some Republicans are proud of the fact that they are proponents of Trumpism. 

There are unexplained mysteries arent there? 

 
 
 
Texan1211
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6.5.1  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @6.5    3 weeks ago

Is the Democratic Party the same as it was?

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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6.5.2  Nerm_L  replied to  JohnRussell @6.5    3 weeks ago
Well, you are correct in the sense that some Republicans are proud of the fact that they are proponents of Trumpism.  There are unexplained mysteries arent there? 

And what, exactly, is Trumpism? 

Democrats don't want the Republican Party to change in spite of all their blathering.  That's why Democrats invest so much effort into keeping Ronald Reagan alive.

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
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6.5.3  seeder  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Nerm_L @6.5.2    3 weeks ago

And what, exactly, is Trumpism? 

Trumpism - Wikipedia

Democrats don't want the Republican Party to change in spite of all their blathering.  That's why Democrats invest so much effort into keeping Ronald Reagan alive.

And I just just took you off ignore a week ago..... Now I see why I put you there in the first place.  

The only way I can see to detox you is by a strict diet of Reuters and BBC 

 
 
 
Ender
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6.5.4  Ender  replied to  Nerm_L @6.5.2    3 weeks ago

Oh bull. It was the republicans themselves that kept Reagan alive, as their patron conservative saint.

Now he has been tossed to the scrapheap and replaced.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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6.5.5  Tessylo  replied to  Nerm_L @6.5.2    3 weeks ago

Speaking of blathering . . . . 

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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6.5.6  Nerm_L  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @6.5.3    3 weeks ago
Trumpism - Wikipedia

Ah, the old "I know it when I see it" argument.  Defining Trumpism as the politics of Donald Trump and his supporters really doesn't explain very much.  

It seems that Democrats calling for national unity to support a populist Democratic agenda doesn't differ that much from Trump's politics.  How does Joe Biden chiding and scolding us about being Americans differ from Trump's more patriotic appeals for being Americans?

Democrats have dedicated themselves to proving Ronald Reagan was wrong about big government.  Democrats have a vested interest in keeping Ronald Reagan alive politically.  Trump wasn't a small government Republican, though.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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6.5.7  Nerm_L  replied to  Ender @6.5.4    3 weeks ago
Oh bull. It was the republicans themselves that kept Reagan alive, as their patron conservative saint. Now he has been tossed to the scrapheap and replaced.

Yes, Republicans kept Ronald Reagan alive politically.  Until Trump showed up.

Why is it a bad thing that Nixon, Ford, Reagan, G.H.W Bush, and G.W. Bush would not recognize today's Republican Party?  Is that bad for Republicans or is that bad for Democrats?

 
 
 
Ronin2
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6.5.8  Ronin2  replied to  Nerm_L @6.5.7    3 weeks ago
Why is it a bad thing that Nixon, Ford, Reagan, G.H.W Bush, and G.W. Bush would not recognize today's Republican Party?  Is that bad for Republicans or is that bad for Democrats?

The Democrats understood them because they were Establishment Republicans. All Establishment politicians are just different sides of the the same coin politically. They all answer to the same overall masters. That is acceptable. 

Can't have politicians that don't know their place and that won't kowtow to the proper people.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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6.5.9  JohnRussell  replied to  Nerm_L @6.5.7    3 weeks ago
Is that bad for Republicans or is that bad for Democrats?

It's bad for humanity, it's bad for decency. 

Followers of Trumpism have absolutely refused to hold Trump responsible for his mountainous amount of lies and corruption.  That is because they approve of the ideology - white grievance, white nationalism, christian theocracy, and the lure of the ideology is stronger than the desire to hold him to account. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
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6.5.10  TᵢG  replied to  JohnRussell @6.5.9    3 weeks ago
Followers of Trumpism have absolutely refused to hold Trump responsible for his mountainous amount of lies and corruption. 

Worse, many of them inexplicably claim that Trump was correct and did no wrong.

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
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6.5.11  seeder  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Nerm_L @6.5.6    3 weeks ago

Again.... you thinking/stating anything Trump did was in the name of patriotism is hogwash.

I've watched your obfuscation on steroids approach with others here on NT.  You reject truths, and facts while trying to sell your far right talking points as reality.  Back on ignore you go!

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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6.5.12  Nerm_L  replied to  JohnRussell @6.5.9    3 weeks ago
It's bad for humanity, it's bad for decency. 

So, the Republican Party of Nixon, Ford, Reagan, G.H.W. Bush, and G.W. Bush stood for humanity and decency?  Then why were Democrats so opposed to that Republican Party?

Followers of Trumpism have absolutely refused to hold Trump responsible for his mountainous amount of lies and corruption.  That is because they approve of the ideology - white grievance, white nationalism, christian theocracy, and the lure of the ideology is stronger than the desire to hold him to account. 

Maybe because it's not really about Trump.  

Democrats want Trump to carry them piggy-back through the midterm election.  Democrats need Trump in the spotlight as a bogeyman.  But Trump has been blocked and banned; Trump isn't in the news.  Democrats are trying to keep Trump in the news but other events are attracting more attention.

Democrats invested an enormous amount of effort into dividing the country.  How are Democrats going to unite the country now?  Does Joe Biden's two-state solution apply to the United States as well?

 
 
 
TᵢG
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6.5.13  TᵢG  replied to  Nerm_L @6.5.12    3 weeks ago
Democrats need Trump in the spotlight as a bogeyman.

They could not do that if the Rs would detach from Trump and find a new leader.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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6.5.14  Tessylo  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @6.5.11    3 weeks ago
Again.... you thinking/stating anything Trump did was in the name of patriotism is hogwash. I've watched your obfuscation on steroids approach with others here on NT.  You reject truths, and facts while trying to sell your far right talking points as reality.  Back on ignore you go!

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evilgenius
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6.6  evilgenius  replied to  Nerm_L @6    3 weeks ago
Would someone, please, explain why that is a bad thing. 

The Trumpublican tent is a very small one. Small tent parties doesn't usually do very well electorally. I'm not claiming anything is certain yet, but we'll all have a better idea where the party is headed around the middle of the 2024 primaries. 

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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6.6.1  Greg Jones  replied to  evilgenius @6.6    3 weeks ago

I suspect you will be quite surprised

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
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7  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom    3 weeks ago

Robert Gates told CBS on Sunday that traditional GOP values were "hard to find these days."

After the last 5 years, who can remember what 'traditional GOP values' were in the first place?

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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7.1  Trout Giggles  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @7    3 weeks ago

I can recall one....personal responsibility

 
 
 
Tessylo
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7.1.1  Tessylo  replied to  Trout Giggles @7.1    3 weeks ago

They seem to have forgotten that one!  Along with everything else.  

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
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7.2  seeder  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @7    3 weeks ago

I can recall a second one...... Belief in law and order.

Look no further than them running from what happened during the Capitol riots of 6JAN21...

 
 
 
Tessylo
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7.2.1  Tessylo  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @7.2    3 weeks ago

They've been running pretty hard from that since 1/6/2021 - they're still catching all the traitors now.  

 
 
 
Texan1211
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7.3  Texan1211  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @7    3 weeks ago

Pretty hard to remember what you think never existed.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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8  TᵢG    3 weeks ago

I agree, the R party has lost its way.   They initially rejected the Trump parasite but eventually succumbed to its infection.   Why they do not take steps to rid themselves of this parasite remains a mystery (to me).   There are other human beings who can support the so-called 'Trump Platform' since what Trump pursued (by words at least) is standard R party policy.   So why continue with a proven narcissist and pathological liar who, for the first time in history, as a sitting PotUS, irresponsibly exploited the influential power of his office to engage in a post-election con-job in an attempt to steal an election?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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8.1  JohnRussell  replied to  TᵢG @8    3 weeks ago
I agree, the R party has lost its way.   They initially rejected the Trump parasite but eventually succumbed to its infection.  

Not true, at least not with Republican voters. Polling showed Trump was a viable contender for the Republican nomination just a few weeks after he announced his candidacy in the summer of 2015. 

Donald Trump Tops 30% in CNN/ORC poll | CNN Politics

Sep 10, 2015  · Donald Trump has become the first  GOP presidential  candidate to top 30% support in the race for the  Republican  nomination, according to a new CNN/ORC   Poll .

 
 
 
TᵢG
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8.1.1  TᵢG  replied to  JohnRussell @8.1    3 weeks ago
Not true, at least not with Republican voters.

The R party leadership did not support Trump.   The reason it acquiesced is because the R voters insisted on Trump.

I am curious, why did you zero in on this nuance and declare 'Not True'?   Clearly you agree with my comment and you realize that the R party leadership did not want Trump to be their nominee. 

Obviously the R electorate supported Trump since he did indeed become the nominee and eventually won the presidency.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
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8.1.2  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  JohnRussell @8.1    3 weeks ago

He never got much higher than 30% in four years either.

 
 
 
Ender
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9  Ender    3 weeks ago
But Gates said he didn't think many Republican lawmakers actually thought the 2020 election was fraudulent, calling the claim "political gaming rather than a real conviction."

So he is saying some republicans think their constituents are idiots and are using the lie to snowjob them.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
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10  Paula Bartholomew    3 weeks ago

The US has gone from being a super power to being a super laughing stock since 2016.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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11  Texan1211    3 weeks ago
The US has gone from being a super power to being a super laughing stock since 2016.

I wonder if anyone is laughing when it comes to taking US dollars?

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
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11.1  seeder  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Texan1211 @11    3 weeks ago

What.... you think money is all that matters what it comes to international relationships?  What a narrow view.  You'd do well in today's China [Deleted.]

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
11.1.1  Texan1211  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @11.1    3 weeks ago

please don't try to project on me.

I didnt ever claim money was the only thing that matters.

the only thing narrow is how you managed to take my comment and project what I clearly never stated.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
PhD Guide
11.1.2  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @11.1    3 weeks ago

Consider who his idol is.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
11.1.3  Texan1211  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @11.1.2    3 weeks ago

if you would like to comment about me, please consider commenting to me.

and who are you claiming is my idol, anyways?

 
 
 
bbl-1
Professor Quiet
12  bbl-1    3 weeks ago

None of the eight presidents Gates served under had an adoration, need or personal fear of what a Russian leader might know about him.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
12.1  Texan1211  replied to  bbl-1 @12    3 weeks ago

Good to know! 

 
 
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