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Distinguished Officer or Disgrace to the Navy?

  

Category:  News & Politics

By:  vic-eldred  •  3 years ago  •  100 comments

Distinguished Officer or Disgrace to the Navy?
We will not tolerate extremist ideologies


We are not only fighting for our children these days, but also for the one thing we could always count on - our military. Recently our nation's flag officers have been promoted based on their allegiance to an insidious ideology. I like to call it the Obama effect. The other day the US House Armed Services Committee had Admiral Gilday front and center to answer why it was that he recommended that our nation's Sailors read a book written by a demented racist - Ibram Kendi.  

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Introducing our Chief of Naval Operations Admiral Michael Gilday.





When you get to the end of that tape, there is a point where Admiral Gilday has the opportunity to say THE NAVY IS NOT RACIST.

He didn't do it!



He has had a distinguished career, but this single act may have erased it all. I say he should be relieved of command.

What say you?


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Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
1  author  Vic Eldred    3 years ago

Let's see who supports dividing the Navy?

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
1.1  XXJefferson51  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    3 years ago

He’s a total disgrace.  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
1.1.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  XXJefferson51 @1.1    3 years ago

That's two!

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
Professor Participates
1.1.2  Thrawn 31  replied to  XXJefferson51 @1.1    3 years ago

You haven’t served, your opinion on this doesn’t count for shit.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
1.1.3  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Thrawn 31 @1.1.2    3 years ago

I'm afraid it does.

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
Professor Participates
1.1.4  Thrawn 31  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.3    3 years ago

No it doesn’t. 

 
 
 
Raven Wing
Professor Participates
1.1.5  Raven Wing  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.3    3 years ago
I'm afraid it does.

Not at all.

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Guide
1.1.6  Split Personality  replied to  Raven Wing @1.1.5    3 years ago

Nope, but you cannot reason with an unreasonable person,

just a waste of time.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
1.1.7  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Split Personality @1.1.6    3 years ago

Or an ideologue in a position of power.

Just to clarify.....I'm talking about Gilday.

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
Professor Participates
1.2  Thrawn 31  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    3 years ago

Lemme guess, anyone with an opinion you don’t share “supports dividing the navy”? 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
1.2.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Thrawn 31 @1.2    3 years ago

Calling whites racist is divisive. It is also racist.

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
Professor Participates
1.2.2  Thrawn 31  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2.1    3 years ago

That did not address my comment at all but okay.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
1.2.3  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Thrawn 31 @1.2.2    3 years ago

Maybe you'd care to vote?

 
 
 
cjcold
Professor Quiet
1.2.4  cjcold  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2.1    3 years ago

Some are, some aren't

 
 
 
Hallux
Professor Principal
2  Hallux    3 years ago

The admiral recommend a book? Yikes, tar and feather him! Oh wait, you're already doing that. Sheesh ...

Dear Admiral Gilday,

From this day forward, only books reviewed and approved of by Vic Eldred can be recommended.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
2.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Hallux @2    3 years ago

Opinion duly noted. I'm not sure about non citizens voting on this one.

BTW we are voting on Admiral Gilday not Vic Eldred.

 
 
 
Hallux
Professor Principal
2.1.1  Hallux  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1    3 years ago

This is the World Wide Web, everyone is a citizen and as one, I am voting no on you.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
2.1.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Hallux @2.1.1    3 years ago
This is the World Wide Net, everyone is a citizen and as on

The feeling is mutual.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3  author  Vic Eldred    3 years ago

Here is another thought on this subject:

If you want to understand a country’s  military , take a look at what its officer corps is reading. Military officers aren’t just warfighters. They’re trained to be thinkers, even intellectuals. Many of them have advanced degrees. In  Russia , officers above the rank of colonel are required to read a book by Russian nationalist Alexander Dugin called, "The Foundations of Geopolitics." Dugin’s book envisions a Eurasian empire, with Russia at the center of it, and outlines a way to achieve it. In  China , meanwhile, recruits are told to read, "The Origin and Goal of History." It teaches that China is successful because its culture is superior to the West’s. You might not agree with them, but these are serious books. They promote the national interests of the countries whose officers read them. That’s why they’re assigned.
 

So, with that in mind, what is the American military reading these days? Let’s see: a sub-literate pamphlet on how the United States is a disgusting, immoral country that must be changed immediately and forever. The tract is titled, "How to be an Antiracist." It was written by a University of Florida professor called Henry Rogers, who now that he’s rich and famous goes by his revolutionary name, Ibram X. Kendi. The book is garbage. Actually, it’s worse than that. Not only is the book repetitive and embarrassingly stupid, but it’s also poisonous. 

Kendi’s premise is as simple as he is: any system that produces unequal outcomes must be racist. Period. That’s it. That’s the entire thesis. Kendi applies it to everything. If some people make more money than other people, the economy is racist. If Ibram X. Kendi decides there aren’t enough black astrophysicists, then astrophysics is, by definition, racist. If it rains in a Black neighborhood, but not across town, then what you’re watching is weather racism. Actually, Kendi didn’t really write that, but only because he has no detectable sense of humor. But there’s no question he believes it. The book is that militantly dumb. 

So how must America respond to all this racism in the United States? Kendi provides a solution. "The only remedy to racist discrimination is antiracist discrimination." He actually wrote that down. In other words, in his book against racism, he promotes racism. You’d think that might be a red flag for people, contradicting as it does the founding principles of the country, as well as basic human decency. But no. The people in charge love the book. It’s all over corporate America. You can probably pick up a free copy at your HR department tomorrow morning if you want. 

But the military? You can’t imagine the U.S. military would assign a book like that, recommended to every sailor in the U.S. Navy. Well, yes, actually. Rep. Jim Banks of Indiana demanded an explanation from the Chief of Naval Operations, Admiral Michael Gilday. Here's how it went:

BANKS: Kendi’s book states that capitalism is essentially racist, and Kendi is clear that racism must be eliminated. So yes or no: Do you personally consider advocating for the destruction of American capitalism to be extremist? 

GILDAY: Here’s what I know, congressman. There’s racism in the United States Navy. I have an obligation…

BANKS: It’s a yes or no question, Admiral. Admiral, you recommended that every sailor in the United States Navy read this book. It’s a yes or no question. 

GILDAY: I’m not forcing anybody to read the book. It’s on a recommended reading list. Banks: Admiral, did you read the book? 

GILDAY: I did….

BANKS: Admiral, you read this book. What part of this book is redeeming and qualifies as something that every United States sailor should read it? 

GILDAY: I think Kendi’s self-critical of his own journey as an African American in this country, what he’s experienced… 

BANKS: Let me ask you again, Admiral: Do you expect that after sailors read this book that says that the United States Navy is racist that we will increase or decrease morale, cohesion, and recruiting rates into the United States Navy? 

GILDAY: I think we’ll be a better Navy from having open, honest conversations about racism.

"Open and honest conversations about racism" — well, that would be nice, but it’s an amusing line, coming from someone who claims to have read Kendi’s book, as Gilday says he has. Open and honest conversations are racist, Kendi has said many times. Let’s say, open and honestly, you decided you cared more about the way people behave than the way they look. Let’s say you took Martin Luther King at his word and judged people by the content of their character, not by their skin color. If you do that, Kendi says, you are a racist. "The claim of 'not racist' neutrality is a mask for racism. … The language of color blindness is a mask to hide racism. A color-blind Constitution for a White-supremacist America." That’s the military’s reading. 


 
 
 
Hallux
Professor Principal
3.1  Hallux  replied to  Vic Eldred @3    3 years ago

Poor Tucker, he should move to Canada ... he could get that pickle removed from his butt for free.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.1.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Hallux @3.1    3 years ago

The Canadians love sucking pickles?

 
 
 
Hallux
Professor Principal
3.1.2  Hallux  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.1    3 years ago

When they come with a smoked meat sandwich and fries. Absolutely.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.1.3  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Hallux @3.1.2    3 years ago

How is Vancouver these days?  Have they caught the "pig man?"

 
 
 
Hallux
Professor Principal
3.1.4  Hallux  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.3    3 years ago

A long time ago. Would you like his address?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.1.5  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Hallux @3.1.4    3 years ago

I thought you said good by.....You promised!

 
 
 
Hallux
Professor Principal
3.1.6  Hallux  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.5    3 years ago

You asked a question, I replied ... It's called being polite.

Bye now ... promise. @!@!

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
3.2  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @3    3 years ago

Vic, have you now or ever known that one of Thomas Jefferson's solutions for the problem of slavery was to expand it across the continent? He called it diffusion. 

In 1819–20, the question of slavery's expansion into Missouri and other western territories was a matter of fierce political debate.

Jefferson and other southerners favored the "diffusion" of slaves in the west, believing that the spread of enslaved people over a larger geographic area would improve their situation and lead more swiftly to emancipation.

A Solution? Jefferson Proposes Diffusion | Thomas Jefferson's Monticello

We have an incomplete history of our country being taught in schools. "White" people want that history forgotten for the sake of "unity". 

I dont think there will be unity without truth. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.2.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @3.2    3 years ago
Viv, have you now or ever known that one of Thomas Jefferson's solutions for the problem of slavery was to expand it across the continent?

First of all it's Vic, not Viv as in Vivian. I've always liked being a man.

Second of all, we know all about Thomas Jefferson and with all we know - he was overall a GREAT MAN.


We have an incomplete history of our country being taught in schools.

We have taught all of our history and in recent years the emphasis has been on the small portion of it known as cotton & slavery.


"White" people want that history forgotten for the sake of "unity". 

White progressives are using race to divide.


I dont think there will be unity without truth. 

There will not be unity until the ideology of the left is completely eradicated.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
3.2.2  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.2.1    3 years ago

When Thomas Jefferson came back from his stay in Europe in 1789 he wanted to free his slaves, but on his return he realized the extent of his debt. Goodbye freeing of slaves. Jefferson is on record explicitly saying that he did not free his slaves at that point because he had too much debt and needed whatever income they could bring. 

He also used some of his slaves as a dowry for his daughter when she got married. 

This is a great man ? 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.2.3  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @3.2.2    3 years ago
This is a great man ? 

Yes he is because despite his moral failures in regard to slavery, his virtues far outweighed his flaws. He of course, wrote the Declaration of Independence, he drafted the Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom which disestablished the Church of England in Virginia and guaranteed freedom of religion to people of all religious faiths. He served as 3rd President of the United States and during that Presidency he helped to establish the United States Military Academy and doubled the size of the United States. He established a US presence in the Louisiana Territory before other nations could claim it. On December 2, 1806, in his annual message to Congress, President Jefferson called for the criminalization of international slave trade on the first day it was possible. The Act Prohibiting Importation of Slaves was signed into law by Jefferson on March 2, 1807 by which no new slaves were permitted to be imported into the United States. It took effect on January 1, 1808, the earliest date permitted by the Constitution. The abolition of the slave trade was a major achievement of Jefferson’s presidency. He helped establish the Library of Congress. He founded the University of Virginia.

Yes, I'd say he was a GREAT MAN.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
3.2.4  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.2.3    3 years ago

Vic, the abolition of the slave trade did next to nothing to end slavery. By that time there were already enough slaves in America to repopulate the group for a long long long time to come. 

Jefferson wanted to expand slavery, and although he often wrote that he wished it would end, he did virtually nothing to bring that end about. In fact, he explicitly said that he was leaving that for later generations to do. 

That is not greatness. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.2.5  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @3.2.4    3 years ago

We both acknowledged that slavery once existed in the United States. We both acknowledged that Jefferson was not as strong as he could have been in that department, but in judging a man in his totality, I think Jefferson has to be considered one of the greatest men in history. 

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
Professor Quiet
3.2.6  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  JohnRussell @3.2.2    3 years ago
This is a great man ? 

Jefferson was a pragmatist. He was also likely a bit of a horny lecher. And while he owned slaves and did not free them in his will and used some as a dowry and even suggested expanding slavery into the new territories temporarily, he was know at that time to want slavery to come to an eventual end. I believe he thought slavery was a temporary stop gap in early America that was a necessary evil.

As pointed out by the confederate Vice President in March, 1861:

"Jefferson, in his forecast, had anticipated (slavery), as the "rock upon which the old Union would split." He was right. What was conjecture with him, is now a realized fact. But whether he fully comprehended the great truth upon which that rock stood and stands, may be doubted. The prevailing ideas entertained by him and most of the leading statesmen at the time of the formation of the old Constitution were, that the enslavement of the African was in violation of the laws of nature; that it was wrong in principle, socially, morally and politically. It was an evil they knew not well how to deal with; but the general opinion of the men of that day was, that, somehow or other, in the order of Providence, the institution would be evanescent and pass away."

So while I think Jefferson was a great thinker and leader and was key to our nations founding, he was a complicated man full of contradictions and should not be celebrated as someone to aspire to be but rather someone to admire for his successes and pitied for his weaknesses and failures of character. The reality is that perhaps without those troubling compromises he made, we might not have our own nation today and would still be British subjects.

 
 
 
arkpdx
Professor Quiet
3.2.7  arkpdx  replied to  JohnRussell @3.2.2    3 years ago

He was a great man in his time and still is now and will be tomorrow

 
 
 
charger 383
Professor Silent
3.2.8  charger 383  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.2.3    3 years ago

When did the only thing important about a historical figure become did they own slaves? 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.2.9  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  charger 383 @3.2.8    3 years ago

As soon as Howard Zinn sat down to write his version of US history.

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Guide
3.3  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @3    3 years ago

Fuck Tucker Carlson AND his bias, uninformed, illiterate opinion. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.3.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dulay @3.3    3 years ago

Oh, I expect a better rebuttal than that from the old wordsmith. What was it that upset you?

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Guide
3.3.2  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.3.1    3 years ago
Oh, I expect a better rebuttal than that from the old wordsmith.

Learn to live with disappointment Vic. 

What was it that upset you?

Tucker Carlson's LIES and your insistence in propagating them. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.3.3  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dulay @3.3.2    3 years ago

I thought you'd be able to point out those lies. Do it for all the feminists here who look up to you.

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Guide
3.3.4  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.3.3    3 years ago
I thought you'd be able to point out those lies.

Again, learn to live with disappointment Vic. 

Tucker Carlson's 'review' of the book has the same value as YOUR reviews of books you have NEVER read. It's merely a regurgitation of what someone else has told him about it. 

Do it for all the feminists here who look up to you.

For someone who pretends in HD to abhor 'personal attacks', you're posting them here with relish. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.3.5  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dulay @3.3.4    3 years ago
Tucker Carlson's 'review' of the book has the same value as YOUR reviews of books you have NEVER read.

I don't review books I've never read. The book reviews are all done by others and properly posted as such. I though you were a stickler for that?


It's merely a regurgitation of what someone else has told him about it. 

Oh, I see.


For someone who pretends in HD to abhor 'personal attacks', you're posting them here with relish.

That's not a personal attack. They do look up to you. Why not back up what you say?

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Guide
3.3.6  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.3.5    3 years ago
I don't review books I've never read.

Yet the lead in for your 'Books' group reads:

Reviews of what we've just finished... or finished fifty years ago...

NOT 'reviews of books we've never read'.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.3.7  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dulay @3.3.6    3 years ago

That lead was written by Bob. Take it up with him.

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Guide
3.3.8  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.3.7    3 years ago
That lead was written by Bob. Take it up with him.

It's YOUR group Vic. YOU could change the lead anytime. Why deflect and blame Bob? 

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Guide
3.3.9  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.3.7    3 years ago

Oh and is it your posit that Bob forces you to post other peoples reviews of books YOU haven't read? How did Bod garner such power over you Vic? 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.3.10  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dulay @3.3.9    3 years ago

For those who don't know the Book Group was Bob's creation. He abandoned it. I took it over and neither read nor changed what he wrote. The way I've operated is vey straightforward. I post reviews for the many books I haven't read. You may find a few I posted that I have read. I did those reviews. One was "The Odyssey" believe it or not. Another personal favorite was "Son of the Morning Star."  You'll have to dig for them since I haven't done a review in a long time.

Not that anything needed clarifying, but that should satisfy anyone.

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Guide
3.3.11  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.3.10    3 years ago
The way I've operated is vey straightforward.

Yes, by pretending that it is group about books members have read, especially YOU, but using it to post reviews, mostly from RW authors about RW books. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.3.12  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dulay @3.3.11    3 years ago

Of course every bit of that is wrong, starting with the personal attack.

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Guide
3.3.13  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.3.12    3 years ago

Nope.

Oh and instead of replying, you should have flagged my comment but that would have kept you from being able to whine about it. 

 
 
 
Hallux
Professor Principal
3.3.14  Hallux  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.3.12    3 years ago

Time to stifle your inner Marie Bastian.

 
 
 
JumpDrive
Freshman Silent
3.4  JumpDrive  replied to  Vic Eldred @3    3 years ago
Kendi’s book states that capitalism is essentially racist, and Kendi is clear that racism must be eliminated. So yes or no: Do you personally consider advocating for the destruction of American capitalism to be extremist?

A leading and unfair/ridiculous question. Capitalism does not have the concept of race, just as Christianity as taught by Jesus does not allow for racism (see both Luke & Matthew - Golden Rule). However, 'christians' in the south used this religion to justify owning slaves for hundreds of years, then having Jim Crow laws for an additional 100 years. This does not mean Christianity is racist and should be 'destroyed'. It simply means that Christianity as practiced by these people was racist -- something that we as a nation have moved to fix. In the same vein, if capitalism as practiced actually results in different outcomes based on race, then it also needs to be fixed. Neither capitalism nor Christianity need to be 'destroyed'. Leave it to conservatives to suss out something to be upset about. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.4.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JumpDrive @3.4    3 years ago
However, 'christians' in the south used this religion to justify owning slaves for hundreds of years,

Don't you mean plantation owners?

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
3.4.2  Kavika   replied to  Vic Eldred @3.4.1    3 years ago

Not speaking for JumpDrive but he could be referring to the Southern Baptists who were supporters of slavery. History is awash with their beliefs and actions pre, during and after the Civil War.

 
 
 
JumpDrive
Freshman Silent
3.5  JumpDrive  replied to  Vic Eldred @3    3 years ago
BANKS: Let me ask you again, Admiral: Do you expect that after sailors read this book that says that the United States Navy is racist that we will increase or decrease morale, cohesion, and recruiting rates into the United States Navy? 

Could Banks possibly be more condescending regarding the intelligence of navy personnel? As if these people would be so damaged to find out the world may not be perfect. As if a different perspective would permanently warp their view of an environment with which they are completely familiar. I would suspect much of what the book tells them will be dismissed as bullshit, but, they will likely gain insight from additional knowledge and perspective. ---

GILDAY: I think we’ll be a better Navy from having open, honest conversations about racism.
 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.5.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JumpDrive @3.5    3 years ago
Could Banks possibly be more condescending regarding the intelligence of navy personnel?

You thought he was condescending?  That's strange because I thought Gilday was disrespectful.


 As if a different perspective would permanently warp their view of an environment with which they are completely familiar.

Then I have to ask you as well - What if Gilday recommended Mein Kampf?  That's a different perspective, right? It also shows the world not to be perfect, right?  Would our sailors likely gain insight from additional knowledge and perspective with that book?

 
 
 
Thomas
Masters Guide
3.5.2  Thomas  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.5.1    3 years ago
What if Gilday recommended Mein Kampf? 

He didn't. Confine your speculations to the things that actually occurred instead of that which you imagine to have occurred. Your whataboutism is showing.

One would think that with all of the problems facing the nation today that people would have something better to bitch about than something on a recommended reading list in the Navy. But it seems that some here must continually gripe about pretty much anything that does not conform to their ideals and whatever twisted and vile concepts their "real" democracy is made of. Reminds me of the Salem witch trials, or probably more likely the Monty Python skit: "Burn Her! She a witch!.... She turned me into a newt! (pause) I got better."

We get tickets for calling out tripe like this article as lies and pure bullshit, but that is what the article represents: The degradation of discourse in the supposedly intelligent community to the point of bashing on a recommended reading list to heighten the pitch of the incessant whining of the overboard, rightwing leaning members of this forum and the nation as a whole, for the instant gratification of small minded, bitter, and petulant people. 

Get a grip on reality while (if?) you still can.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
4  author  Vic Eldred    3 years ago

So thus far we have 2 in favor of relieving Admiral Gilday of his duties, 1 abstention and 1 non-vote.

 
 
 
Hallux
Professor Principal
4.1  Hallux  replied to  Vic Eldred @4    3 years ago

I'm sure you'll get more than 2 for this version of Cancel Culture.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
4.1.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Hallux @4.1    3 years ago

And 8 for keeping Gilday in command?

 
 
 
Hallux
Professor Principal
4.1.2  Hallux  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1.1    3 years ago

I'm not counting ... that's your job, remember?

Have a good one Vic, sorry if I found the article silly but hey, is it not the job of 'we' critics?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
4.1.3  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Hallux @4.1.2    3 years ago

You have a good day.

 
 
 
pat wilson
Professor Participates
4.1.4  pat wilson  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1.1    3 years ago

Nine.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
4.1.5  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  pat wilson @4.1.4    3 years ago

So it's 2 in favor, 1 against, 1 abstention and 1 non-vote.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
Professor Participates
4.2  1stwarrior  replied to  Vic Eldred @4    3 years ago

Banks needs to be censured for his totally misleading and intended denial of "trying" to understand what the ADM was answering.

In other words - Banks didn't want to hear an explanation - he wanted to agitate/denigrate the ADM.

Banks history as a "Representative" is far from being . . . . .

Health care

Banks supports repealing and replacing the   Affordable Care Act   ("Obamacare").   Banks voted in favor of the   American Health Care Act of 2017   on May 4, 2017.   He opposes   single-payer healthcare, which he believes if implemented would cost taxpayers $32 trillion.

Economy

In December 2017, Banks voted in favor of the   Tax Cuts and Jobs Act of 2017.   Upon the passing of the bill, Banks said it was "a good day for the future of the   American dream." [

In 2020, Banks voted against COVID-19 economic relief, the   Families First Coronavirus Response Act.   In 2021, he voted against COVID-19 economic stimulus a second time.

Environment

Banks rejects the   overwhelming scientific consensus on climate change, falsely describing it as "leftist propaganda."

Technology

Banks supports allowing internet companies to release customer information with the federal government.

Abortion

Banks supports ending federal funding of abortions, as well as defunding   Planned Parenthood.

LGBT rights

Banks opposes same-sex marriage. In 2018, he criticized the Indiana Republican Party for dropping language that defined marriage "as between a man and a woman."

Banks calls banning   transgender people from serving in the military   as an "emotional issue." He opposes the military paying for   sex reassignment surgery   saying that "I don't think taxpayers should be on the hook for that."

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
4.2.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  1stwarrior @4.2    3 years ago

So you think Banks needs to censored for his positions? I don't know about any of his other positions, but he is 100% right about the idea of teaching sailors that whites are born racist.

 
 
 
Kavika
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4.2.2  Kavika   replied to  Vic Eldred @4.2.1    3 years ago
So you think Banks needs to censored for his positions? I don't know about any of his other positions, but he is 100% right about the idea of teaching sailors that whites are born racist.

The ADM didn't say anything of the sort. BTW Vic, the Navy is nearly 50% minority and they may be damn happy to hear the Admiral's words without the BS that Banks is throwing in.

Perhaps Banks thinks that we should be back to prior 1948 that might make some people happy again.

 
 
 
Hallux
Professor Principal
4.2.3  Hallux  replied to  Kavika @4.2.2    3 years ago

This is all just a desperate attempt to make something stick coming from an unsatiated desire to gloat. So far, none of it working.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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4.2.4  1stwarrior  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.2.1    3 years ago

Actually, no Vic, that's not what I'm advocating.

Senator Banks is a Naval Reservist with the rank of Lieutenant and serves as a Naval supply officer.

ADM Gilday is a Naval Academy grad and Chief of Naval Operations.  In other words, when Banks is serving his two week drill, Gilday is his boss.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
4.2.5  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  1stwarrior @4.2.4    3 years ago

I don't see how rank has anything to do with it. Poisoning the minds of our military Men & Women should be forbidden.

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
4.2.6  Kavika   replied to  Vic Eldred @4.2.5    3 years ago

Poisoning the minds of our military Men and Women should be forbidden. What a frickin' bizarre statement if you're trying to attribute that to Admiral Gilday...

Years of service 1985–present
Rank Admiral
Commands held Chief of Naval Operations United States Tenth Fleet Fleet Cyber Command Carrier Strike Group 8 Destroyer Squadron 7 USS  Benfold USS  Higgins
Battles/wars Gulf War
Awards Defense Distinguished Service Medal Navy Distinguished Service Medal Defense Superior Service Medal   (4)
Legion of Merit   (3)
Bronze Star Medal

Admiral Gilday has forgotten more about commanding/teaching/leading sailors than Banks will know in his lifetime.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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4.2.7  1stwarrior  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.2.5    3 years ago

Vic - it's called "Pay-back" and is used by "Jr. Officers" in an attempt to get back at their leaders with any means possible - without being court-martialed.

Banks, IMHO, is a Jr. Officer who tries to use his six month tour to Afghanistan as a "Hero" placard.  A Naval Supply Officer in Afghanistan "normally" sits behind a desk, miles from any of the ongoing conflict at a secure location aboard ship based on the job requirements of his Military Operational Speciality (MOS).

Banks may be using his status as "Senator" to berate the ADM, who is the CNO, for not allowing "Jr. Officers" into a combat zone because of their MOS.

Who knows, but I do know his actions "could" gain him some very unsatisfactory performance ratings for his public rebuking of a very senior officer.

Truly don't know, but do know after reading Banks history as a representative of the people - he sure as hell don't fit my criteria as a representative based on his voting record.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
4.2.8  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  1stwarrior @4.2.7    3 years ago
Truly don't know, but do know after reading Banks history as a representative of the people - he sure as hell don't fit my criteria as a representative based on his voting record.

Fair enough and by the same token I don't want flag officers thinking the way to advancement is to adopt leftist policies for the military. I also don't feel that the nation is being well served by having Admiral Gilday serving as Chief of Naval Operations. I also don't think Lloyd Austin should be Secretary of Defense.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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4.2.9  Split Personality  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.2.8    3 years ago
Fair enough and by the same token I don't want flag officers thinking the way to advancement is to adopt leftist policies for the military.

There is no advancement in this for Gilday. He is the CNO, the highest ranked officer in the Navy (unless the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs is also a Flag Officer).

CNO is a four year term. Gilday was approved by unanimous Senate confirmation vote in 2019.  That means he had the approval of the White House and every voting Senator.

Adm. Mike Gilday is the son of a Navy Sailor. A surface warfare officer, he is a native of Lowell , Massachusetts and a graduate of the U.S. Naval Academy.  He holds master’s degrees from the Harvard Kennedy School and the National War College.
At sea, he deployed with USS Chandler (DDG 996), USS Princeton (CG 59), and USS Gettysburg (CG 64).  He commanded destroyers USS Higgins (DDG 76) and USS Benfold (DDG 65) and subsequently, commanded Destroyer Squadron 7, serving as sea combat commander for the Ronald Reagan Carrier Strike Group.
As a flag officer, he served as commander Carrier Strike Group 8 embarked aboard USS Dwight D. Eisenhower (CVN 69), and as commander, U.S. Fleet Cyber Command and U.S 10th Fleet.
His staff assignments include the Bureau of Naval Personnel; staff of the Chief of Naval Operations, and staff of the Vice Chief of Naval Operations.  Joint assignments include executive assistant to the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and naval aide to the President.
As a flag officer, he served in joint positions as director of operations for NATO’s Joint Force Command Lisbon; as chief of staff for Naval Striking and Support Forces NATO; director of operations, J3, for U.S. Cyber Command; and as director of operations, J3, for the Joint Staff.  He recently served as director, Joint Staff.
He has served on teams that have been recognized with numerous awards and is the recipient of the Defense Distinguished Service Medal, Distinguished Service Medal, Defense Superior Service Medal (four awards), Legion of Merit (three awards), Bronze Star, Navy and Marine Corps Commendation Medal with Combat “V,” and the Combat Action Ribbon.
Gilday began serving as the 32nd Chief of Naval Operations August 22, 2019.

Well at least you have a famous Massachusetts neighbor.

I also don't feel that the nation is being well served by having Admiral Gilday serving as Chief of Naval Operations.

Few will care what your opinion of him is.  He is a relatively young man who has earned every bit of the rank and respect of his sailors and marines.

I also don't think Lloyd Austin should be Secretary of Defense.

I don't really care...

Gilday has my vote of confidence for your "poll" as does Austin.

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
4.2.10  Kavika   replied to  Split Personality @4.2.9    3 years ago

The Admiral had the gall to speak out loud of racism...OMG, he's unfit for any position in the Navy. 

And Lloyd Austin, he that had a stand down to suss out information on white supremacists in the military, how dare the Secretary of Defense voice an opinion and institute such a draconian measure. 

How can this man be qualified for the Sec of Defense?

Years of service 1975–2016
Rank 20px-US-O10_insignia.svg.png   General
Commands
Battles/wars War in Afghanistan Iraq War Operation Inherent Resolve
Awards Full list

I'm sure the Aryan Brotherhood and all the other White supremacist groups are horrified

 

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Guide
4.2.11  Split Personality  replied to  Kavika @4.2.10    3 years ago

I seem to remember this group expressing multiple daily defenses of the previous Presidents sometimes ridiculous and uninformed beliefs in pseudoscience and conspiracy theories.

Trumps outrageous personal beliefs based on a few years of political "experience"

have been defended here to the point of disbelief and unsupportable alternative facts by certain people.

Flag officers like Gilday ( 36 years and counting ) and Austin (41 years in uniform )

don't check their Amendment guaranteed rights at the door any less,

and in my honest opinion deserve far more weight

than a real estate investor turned reality tv star

who accidentally won the presidency for 4 years.

Just my opinion.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
4.2.12  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Split Personality @4.2.9    3 years ago
There is no advancement in this for Gilday.

He already achieved it. Is this how he did it?



Gilday has my vote of confidence for your "poll" as does Austin.

I'll put tally your vote - as expected.

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Guide
4.2.13  Split Personality  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.2.12    3 years ago

And I will support the unanimous Senate support for Trump's choice of CNO.

As expected.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
5  author  Vic Eldred    3 years ago


I just had a thought from ....it seems like ...a hundred years ago:




Yep, we could have a special ceremony for Admiral Gilday and Biden's Secretary of Defense, you know, the one that Biden can't name anymore.

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Guide
5.1  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @5    3 years ago

OH the irony! The man 'branded' was FALSELY accused Vic.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
5.1.1  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Dulay @5.1    3 years ago

The ceremony was the point.........**whoosh**

But you got your dig in. Good on ya.........../s

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Guide
5.1.2  Dulay  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @5.1.1    3 years ago
The ceremony was the point.........**whoosh**

A weak one...

But you got your dig in. Good on ya.........../s

Yes Jim, it's good to post facts though always sad to be reminded that you and yours view them as 'digs'. 

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
5.1.3  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Dulay @5.1.2    3 years ago

That was nothing but one of your every afternoon "time to dig on Vic" posts and you know it. His guilt or innocence mattered not in the context of the comment.

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Guide
5.1.4  Dulay  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @5.1.3    3 years ago
That was nothing but one of your every afternoon "time to dig on Vic" posts and you know it.

Always great to see you and yours pretending to know other members motivations. It would be even better to see you and yours admit your own...

His guilt or innocence mattered not in the context of the comment.

Who implied it did? 

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
Professor Quiet
6  Dismayed Patriot    3 years ago

First, he did not require anyone to read this book, it was merely suggested reading. If you've seen the movie American History X you could claim it contains very racist divisive views, but it can give a window into the mind of some extremists and allow the viewer a broader perspective and the way its presented doesn't glorify the racism presented. Ibram X. Kendi is a professor, author and and historian of race and discriminatory policy in our society and talks openly about what many black Americans have been through. It may be uncomfortable for some to listen to his perspective, but only small minded bigots would project their bitter hate towards him and try to narrow down his conclusions to just the few examples of what they claim are reverse racist angst against white America. I think Admiral Gilday is very brave for being open minded enough to read his perspectives and recommend having that kind of open discussion about race in the Navy that has been plagued by white supremacists and racist hate for a long time.

"Chuck Leek spent parts of his life working toward and hoping for a riot like the one that happened at the US Capitol on January 6. He's a former neo-Nazi, and now he's speaking out about how his past in the military is relevant to policy today. "I didn't become an active, actual white supremacist until after I had joined the Navy," Leek told Insider. Leek is a former airman first class in the US Navy. He was also a skinhead who lured new members from the naval base where he fixed helicopters. The FBI called them "ghost skins"   over a decade ago   — skinheads blending into society and slipping into law enforcement to infiltrate and recruit, stir up investigative breaches, spread a tolerance of racism, and jeopardize the safety of law enforcement sources and personnel. "I spent a long time grooming and recruiting people," Leek said. "I absolutely know that the rank and file in the military understand the depth of the problem."

A problem exists in our military where white supremacy has festered, Admiral Gilday should be applauded for his brave stance by recommending other members of the navy open their minds, walk a mile in the shoes of black Americans who have just as much right to express themselves, express their experiences and fight for their country as any white American.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
6.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @6    3 years ago
First, he did not require anyone to read this book, it was merely suggested reading.

Nobody disputes that. Suppose "Mein Kampf" was suggested?


 If you've seen the movie American History X you could claim it contains very racist divisive views, but it can give a window into the mind of some extremists and allow the viewer a broader perspective and the way its presented doesn't glorify the racism presented.

I've seen the movie and that movie's motive is very clear cut - racism is evil.  That is no relation to a book which promotes anti-white racism.


 Ibram X. Kendi is a professor, author and and historian of race and discriminatory policy in our society and talks openly about what many black Americans have been through.

He is a racist.


It may be uncomfortable for some to listen to his perspective, but only small minded bigots would project their bitter hate towards him and try to narrow down his conclusions to just the few examples of what they claim are reverse racist angst against white America. 

I could just as easily say that only hate-filled scum would support his book. I think it best that we don't go there. (I didn't even flag it - stop doing it)


I think Admiral Gilday is very brave for being open minded enough to read his perspectives and recommend having that kind of open discussion about race in the Navy that has been plagued by white supremacists and racist hate for a long time.

The United States Navy?   PROVE THAT SLANDEROUS CHARGE!


"Chuck Leek

Sorry, but that is opinion NOT PROOF.



A problem exists in our military where white supremacy has festered

That is a horrendous smear - PROVE IT!

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
Professor Quiet
6.1.1  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1    3 years ago
Suppose "Mein Kampf" was suggested?

Is Ibram X. Kendi's book "Mein Kampf"? Of course not, to make such a comparison is the height of ignorance.

" That is no relation to a book which promotes anti-white racism."

You obviously haven't read the book because it does no such thing. You obviously haven't read any of Kendi's books which are demonstrably anti-racist. You proclaim him in your personal opinion a "demented racist" based on a handful of excerpts taken out of context. If I took some lines from the movie 'American History X' and quoted them here without context I could easily proclaim the same ignorant argument you're making.

He is a racist.

Is that your opinion after actually reading any of his books? Or perhaps your opinion based on a bunch of other right wing commentators who have read excerpts of his books and deemed them anti-white?

The United States Navy?    PROVE THAT SLANDEROUS CHARGE!

" More than one-third of all active-duty troops and more than half of minority service members say they have personally witnessed examples of  white nationalism or ideological-driven racism  within the ranks in recent months, according to the latest survey of active-duty  Military Times readers."

" The poll surveyed 1,630 active-duty Military Times subscribers last fall on their views about political leaders, global threats and domestic policy priorities. It offers a troubling snapshot of troops’ exposure to extremist views while serving despite efforts from military leaders to promote diversity and respect for all races."

Poll participants reported witnessing incidents including racist language and discriminatory attitudes from peers, but also more specific examples like swastikas being drawn on service members’ cars, tattoos affiliated with white supremacist groups, stickers supporting the Ku Klux Klan and Nazi-style salutes between individuals."

"They know about it all’ | Pentagon report reveals concrete examples of white supremacists in the military"

"Pentagon report warns of threat from white supremacists inside the military"

Sorry, but that is opinion NOT PROOF.

That's not his "opinion", that is a confession. It's not his "opinion" that he was a member of a white supremacy group while in the Navy and was recruiting other soldiers to join, he admits it if you took enough time to actually read the story I linked. The facts are clear no matter how much you want to close your eyes to it. You seem adamant to defend and deflect from the racism that is found, why is that?

That is a horrendous smear - PROVE IT!

It has been proven, our own Pentagon admitted it. Are you so invested in denial that you're refusing to see the truth? Obviously when one just condemns an author they haven't even read as a 'demented racist' while refusing to see what our own military leaders have admitted to it would be hard to be a fair judge of Admiral Gilday.

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
6.1.2  Kavika   replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1    3 years ago
That is a horrendous smear -   PROVE IT!

OK, here ya go.

There are many more articles on it if you actually care to do a tiny bit of research.

 
 
 
Raven Wing
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6.1.3  Raven Wing  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @6.1.1    3 years ago
Are you so invested in denial that you're refusing to see the truth?

He has his head up Trumps ass so far that he can't see anything that Trump does not approve.

 
 
 
Raven Wing
Professor Participates
6.1.4  Raven Wing  replied to  Kavika @6.1.2    3 years ago
There are many more articles on it if you actually care to do a tiny bit of research.

Oh please Kavika. How could you dare to dare to ask him to do even a bit of research where he might find out the truth. But, then even if he found the truth he would call it nothing but propaganda by racist Dems.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
6.1.5  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @6.1.1    3 years ago
Is Ibram X. Kendi's book "Mein Kampf"?

They belong in the same category - hate-filled propaganda.

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Dulay
Professor Guide
6.1.6  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1.5    3 years ago
They belong in the same category - hate-filled propaganda.

Says the guy who hasn't actually READ Kendi's book. 

 
 
 
evilone
Professor Guide
7  evilone    3 years ago

Oh look [[deleted]] trying to censor and cancel someone with an opinion they don't like. 

 
 
 
pat wilson
Professor Participates
8  pat wilson    3 years ago

Where do you vote ?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
8.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  pat wilson @8    3 years ago

With your comment. I'm keeping score.

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
9  Sparty On    3 years ago

I say broom him.  

Military reading lists are supposed to help expand understanding of the military mission.   Not discuss social narratives.   That's the peoples' government job.

If you want a good example of a fantastic reading list put out by a fantastic military leader check out the Warrior Monks reading list here:

 
 
 
JumpDrive
Freshman Silent
9.1  JumpDrive  replied to  Sparty On @9    3 years ago
Military reading lists are supposed to help expand understanding of the military mission.   Not discuss social narratives.

You couldn't be more wrong. The easy military victory in Iraq turned into an epic disaster because we didn't have a social plan. When the Bush administration told the military that they were going to invade Iraq, one of the first questions from the generals was what was the plan after the Iraqis are defeated. The answer, there is none. One of the people there said you could actually hear the generals inhale. We freed a people from a brutal, corrupt dictatorship and many ended up being our enemies in 7+ year war.

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
9.1.1  Sparty On  replied to  JumpDrive @9.1    3 years ago

Nah, i'm not the one who is confused.

The purpose of our military isn't to make policy.   It's to enforce policy made by our elected officials.   In other words, policy ostensibly made by the people who elect the policy makers.   The American people.

So you don't like the Mattis reading list?   Interesting .......

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Guide
9.2  Dulay  replied to  Sparty On @9    3 years ago
Military reading lists are supposed to help expand understanding of the military mission.

Perhaps you can explain how 'The Far Pavilions' and 'Long walk to freedom' would do that Sparty. 

 
 
 
Hallux
Professor Principal
10  Hallux    3 years ago

Unbelievable!

 
 

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