Carl Bernstein Says Donald Trump Is an ‘American War Criminal’ Like ‘We’ve Never Experienced Before’
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Via: john-russell • 3 years ago • 60 commentsBy: Bernstein said Trump’s continued push of the “Big Lie” that the election was stolen was a “delusional madness” that we’ve never experienced from any other president in history.
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Legendary Watergate journalist Carl Bernstein labeled former President Donald Trump an “American war criminal” on Sunday, citing recent reporting that top generals feared Trump would stage a coup after losing last November’s election. During an appearance on CNN’s Reliable Sources , Bernstein said Trump’s continued push of the “Big Lie” that the election was stolen was a “delusional madness” that we’ve never experienced from any other president in history.
“I think we need to calmly step back and maybe look at Trump in a different context. He is our own American war criminal of a kind we’ve never experienced before,” Bernstein declared, prompting a stunned Brian Stelter to ask if he meant what he said. “I did,” Bernstein confirmed, adding that Trump’s “homicidal negligence” during the pandemic was another factor.
Bernstein then noted that Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Mark Milley reportedly compared Trump’s rhetoric to that of Adolf Hitler and was concerned that Trump’s baseless claims of election fraud would lead to a potential “Reichstag moment.” Stelter, meanwhile, told Bernstein he was “going to get heat” for accusing Trump of war crimes.
“All I’m doing is saying, ‘Whoa, let’s look at Trump’s crimes in a different context.’ Yes, war crimes. These were crimes against our people,” Bernstein responded.
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as a nation, we are failing to deal with all this properly
If you mean the left wing lies and propaganda, I think just ignoring them will do fine. Liberals are a perfect example of how you can't fix stupid
Are you saying that majority of people who refuse to get vaccinated for Covid are Liberals?
(When the facts are that they are overwhelmingly Trump supporters. Check the stats for the Red States vs the Blue States!!!)
The CV is fixing stupid.
John Russell wrote: "Trump’s “homicidal negligence” during the pandemic was another factor."
Another totally and easily refuted lie. The Trump vaccines are saving millions of lives
John didn't write that, READ THE DAMM ARTICLE, Carl Bernstein said the quote. then try to refute the lie.
You don't really expect conservative Republicans to read do you? They get their talking points from the right wing media talking heads. Trying to make them confront reality is like trying to un-brainwash one of Pol Pots child soldiers or one of Jim Jones personal guards.
Follow the money.
Maybe the money leads to Helsinki?
Or, maybe...even Peru!
Should ask him, not me.
I'm not into wild conspiracy theories.
I see the propaganda is reaching new highs, or should that be low? So Trump is a war criminal of a kind we've never experienced before? Apparently so. Apparently he's one without actual war crimes. At least, not any the article cares to share with us. That would be a new kind alrighty.
But I've come to expect this from many on the Left. This is a tactic they've been using for years. All you have to do to change what a word means so that it achieves the goal you want. All we have to do, in this case, is change what "war criminal" means and, presto! Trump is now a war criminal. Which tells us a lot about the people who gobble this crap up. They aren't interested in what's true, they're only interested in what they want.
Trump is Generalissimo Tuboflardio in the right wing war on reality .
Yes! Great example of what I'm talking about! First, take the subject (Trump) and turn him into a caricature (Generalissimo Tuboflardio), thereby dehumanizing the subject. This allows your target audience to more easily accept the war criminal idea when you put the caricature's actions in terms of a war on something. In this case, you put it in terms of "reality", which is vague but it's supposed to be because it allows your target audience to substitute whatever they want to be true in place of reality.
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Now thats unintentional comedy if I've ever heard it !
Correction: The 'Man' From Mar-A-Lardo
trmp is a caricature of himself
Tho...I can't really go so far as to call him a war criminal. He didn't declare war on anybody except the American people and that wasn't a real war, but bad things did happen due to his own incompetance
No they don't. More lies and made up shit
I think Carl Bernstein was taking poetic license in order to make a point.
He declared war on democracy when he sent his tards to take over the capitol. Now all wars are fought on battlegrounds.
And Carl spent a lot more time talking to Donald than any of his sycophanitc followers here, yet his followers think they really "know" the man.
Carl Bernstein should learn what war criminal is before ever accusing someone of the crime.
I figured he was much smarter than he showed with this stupid, baseless accusation.
I admit freely I was wrong, wrong, wrong about that.
Carl Bernstein is not an international prosecutor. He can use the term war criminal to any effect he likes.
I like what he said because it implies a level of gravity to Trumps actions that not enough people in this country assign to them.
The asshole tried to overthrow our government and he should be punished for it.
No one claimed he was,
Yes, he is free to exercise his Constitutional right--even when he is wrong. But wrong is still wrong.
Not everyone gets all worked up 24/7/365 over Trump.
Didn't Democrats impeach him over it?
How'd that work out for them?
Your comments are utterly boring.
Which begs the question of why you repeat them so much.
It isn't my job to entertain you.
I find begging unbecoming.
I find I often need to repeat things because readers don't understand.
Which is a really stupid and dangerous idea, especially when governments do it. Just ask the people who lived in Communist societies : )
Correct. There is currently not a prohibition on "partisan batshit melodrama".
You like what he said because you blame Donald Trump for a ridiculous amount of things.
Riot? Sure.
Overthrow? Meh.......
I don't ever remember an attempted government overthrow where the participants stormed the halls of power, took a few souvenir photos, and then fucked off to happy hour.... all within about 3 hours.
TRUMP tried to overthrow the government. He's still trying, in his own half assed way.
So true. Just more of what Bernstein is attempting with his war crimes nonsense. Everyone, even on the Left on some level, knows it was only a riot but insurrection sounds bigger and better, making them feel more justified in abusing power like they're about to do with that ridiculous Jan 6 Select Committee. Everyone knows what their findings will be because they are obviously only allowing those who already agree with it on the committee. Like their foreordained conclusion becomes "official" once they get done with the clown show.
You noticed that, did you?
I'm waiting for one of these rioters to say "we were going to take over the Capitol, and establish a new free area called the "Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone", but then we realized the name was already taken....."
But not in any fascist, Right Wing totalitarian states of course!
/sarc
Naw... they prefer direct action against cops instead!
D.C. Police Officer Gonell Slams Trump's Comments : 'I'm Still Recovering From Those Hugs And Kisses'
So would this be a "mostly peaceful protest" instead of a "peaceful protest"?
I so wish I had thought of that!!!
So here, ladies and gentlemen, we have even more unfounded accusations by a group of easily offended hobbits that still can't get over a humiliating loss in the 2016 election. This tactic has been tried and failed several times by these imbeciles.
that still can't get over a humiliating loss in the 2016 election
Wow. Someone is stuck in time here. I guess it’s a good sign when the opposing party can’t come up with a new attack line for five years, especially considering the level of farce accumulating on their side of the isle.
That's all they ever had. Oh, and her emails FFS
Maybe, but I'd say they succeed at least as often as they fail. Take the following words, for instance.
Hate: Now means any view or policy not coming from or in line with Progressive thinking.
Racist: Anyone white, except, maybe kinda sorta the people they call "Allies", which still puts them in the white camp still, but a more tolerable part.
White Supremacist: Anyone not on the Left. Kind of a tricky one because each individual on the left determines what being left is, which means of two people who both consider themselves leftists may consider the other a White Supremacist because they aren't as far left as the other or the wrong kind of left.
Just a few examples. I'm sure you can identify more examples of words that have their meaning changed to further political ideology.
No that's all certain members post, that the 'left' are the haters, the racists, the white supremacists, you know, the bassakwards/alternate reality world of the diehard Turd Reich supporters/enablers
Oh FFS. That's all I can say to that nonsense. Unfrigginbelieveable!
There was no humiliating loss. Hillary beat trumpturd by over 3 million votes
Seeing as how we don't elect presidents by the popular vote but by the electoral college, a 305 to 230 electoral college win by Trump was pretty embarrassing for Clinton. (Especially since the dems were predicting her to win by a landslide.
By that logic, I guess 306 to 232 was an embarrassment for donald.
Well, you see, a 305-230 win for a Republican is a tight race, while a 306-232 win for a Democrat is a landslide and a mandate.
Gotta love the alternate reality of the progressive liberals.
When all along it was a Putin run disinformation campaign.
Gee, does that mean Democrats weren't smart enough to look at real news, and instead were influenced by some ads on Facebook??
LMAO!
By "real news"... are you implying that's what people see on Fox????
Do you only consider Fox to be real news? I mentioned no specific channels.
No...it means Republicans/conservatives were influenced by the ads on Face Book.
Progressive liberals seem to be the only ones whining about some Facebook ads from years ago.
I guess it must be important to you for some reason.
I wasn't the one to bring up the ads first
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Now, that is a true statement.
And I wasn't the one who brought up some Putin-Russia misinformation campaign.
Since Facebook ads seemed to have borne the brunt of progressive liberal poutrage in 2016, it isn't much of a stretch to link the two.
Oh FFS, you're still holding on to that moronic idea that the popular vote counts toward the presidential election? FFS buy her a fu@king tiara and scepter and call it a day already. She lost. And because of that loss you've been on one of the longest temper tantrums I've ever seen.
'...“American war criminal” ... [like] we’ve never experienced...'
I'm not about to disagree with calling Trump a war criminal. I've done so repeatedly. The problem is that you need to have some objective basis for these assertions. For example, one might take the criteria by which the Nuremberg Tribunal tried the Nazi War Party. For example, the preparation for war in a time of peace, and issuing the order to mobilize for war have been taken as the primary crime from which all other crimes of war proceed.
But the problem here is that Trump is hardly alone. As I have said repeatedly, all living Presidents -- and together with those tied to the late President Bush -- all of their Vice Presidents, all of their Secretaries of State, all their Secretaries of Defense, all their Attorney Generals and all their Chairpersons of the Joint Chiefs of Staff are equally war criminals.
You may not agree with this; but at least this is a principled position.
A shared history of crimes of war against peace and crimes against humanity allows each to proclaim self-absolution simply because their partisan opponents have done no differently.
Meanwhile the refusal to reckon with the record of any of the above belies the pretense of the regime under any administration to constitute a legitimate, political entity.
I doubt that many here will fall over themselves to head the line of those seeking to remedy that.
This (political sideshow) reminds me of an Emerson, Lake and Palmer song: Karn Evil Number 9. "Welcome back my friends to the show that never ends....."
The division and distraction of the country from the things that really matter to this society would be quite amusing were they not so ironically important. Instead of talking about the true issues that confront the nation, (ie. the pandemic, the environment, equal application of the law, extant overt and systemic racism, et al) we have been pulled into a dichotomous world where things are binary in nature and we cannot even agree on which of the limited positions the world exists at, much less start trying to figure out what to do about them.
Instead of discussing systemic racism and looking at it critically to determine its extents, we are arguing over whether racism should be addressed in society or in school, at all.
Instead of getting vaccinated, wearing a mask and keeping six feet away from someone else as a courteous gesture, some of us choose to shout in others faces because we feel (incorrectly) like it is some type of governmental encroachment on our freedom of expression or some other bogus rot of an excuse to be an asshole. And really, that is all that it is. An excuse to be an asshole.
So this gaping hole in dialogue exists not because of important issues, but because the public mind has been poisoned by the lies of individual demagogues who value power above all else. It is this poisoning to witch Bernstein alludes as the "war" in which certain actors, the POtuS 45, Tucker Carlson, other enabling and knowingly lying politicians, et al. are to be viewed as war criminals. They have and continue to distract the attention of the American people from the actual issues of import with a myriad of large and small squirrels. We have to realize that it is their continued existence as people seemingly of importance that is the very problem that we must move beyond before substantive progress can be made to address the real issues facing us as a nation, a people, societies and a world.