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Via: vic-eldred • 3 years ago • 24 comments

By: Cortney OBrien (Fox News)

Greenwald: 'Staggering' Detroit poll exposes 'wide gap' between media and 'everyone else' on policing

Journalist Glenn Greenwald shared a new poll out of Detroit, Mich., that he argued ripped a hole in the narrative from certain "media elites" who have appeared to try and paint the police as systematically racist or suggest they should be defunded.

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"By an overwhelming 9-1, they would feel safer with more cops on the street, not fewer," a new USA TODAY/Suffolk University/Detroit Free Press Poll found after surveying Detroit residents. "Though one-third complain that Detroit police use force when it isn't necessary - and Black men report high rates of racial profiling - those surveyed reject by 3-1 the slogan of some progressives to 'defund the police.'"

One in five residents in the city, whose congressional representation includes far-left, 'Defund the Police' advocate Rep. Rashida Tlaib, cited public safety as the biggest issue facing the city at 19%. Only education ranked higher at 23%.

"These are staggering new poll numbers from @USATODAY on the views of Detroit residents on issues of crime and policing, and constitute yet more evidence of how wide the gap is between the discourse of media elites on these questions and everyone else," Greenwald tweeted.

Greenwald cited figures from the poll that showed Black residents in Detroit care more about stopping violent crime than they do about reforming the police, while White residents care more about reforming the police by a small margin, to conclude, "Who is most victimized by crime and who isn't is a huge factor in the discourse on these issues."

"Black residents ranked crime at the top of their list of concerns: 24% cited public safety, and just 3% named police reform. But white residents were a bit more concerned about police reform than public safety, 12% compared with 10%. Education was by far the biggest issue on their minds, named by 31%," according to the survey.

Locals interviewed by USA Today told the outlet that there are "always some random shootings" and that they're often afraid to leave their homes to even perform routine tasks like buy gasoline.

Yet over the past year some media pundits have offered traction to the "Defund the Police" movement following high profile, police-involved deaths such as the murder of George Floyd last year in Minneapolis and have suggested that cops can't be trusted. In April MSNBC's Joy Reid told viewers it's "very difficult to trust" police officers when it came to the fatal police shooting of 16-year-old Ma'Khia Bryant in Columbus, Ohio.

Critics have also accused the media of downplaying the rise in crime in major, mostly liberal-run cities, despite statistics showing upticks in shootings and homicides in places like New York City, Portland, Chicago, Atlanta, Philadelphia, and Seattle.

Others who assessed the Detroit poll results agreed with Greenwald's conclusion that the media has little to no clue of what ordinary citizens want from their communities.

"Another reminder that the national media narrative really doesn't set local priorities the way the very-online-crowd would have you think," said one Twitter user.

"Cross tabs on this are incredible," @GOP Deputy Comms Director Zach Parkinson said in reaction to the USA Today poll. "Every single demographic in Detroit wants more police in their neighborhoods, and it's not even close."

Progressive Democrats like Tlaib who make up the Squad have promoted the Defund the Police effort. The National Journal's Josh Kraushaar wondered if her views left her vulnerable to a more pro-police primary challenger in her blue district.

Recent surveys show that Americans have little trust in today's media. The United States ranked last among 46 countries when it comes to public trust in the media, according to a June study commissioned by the Reuters Institute for the Study of Journalism, and conducted by YouGov. A more recently Gallup poll revealed that more than three-quarters of the public don't have much confidence in newspapers or television news. Only 21% of respondents said they had "a great deal" or "quite a lot" of confidence in newspapers, while only 16% of respondents reported the same of television news. Only Congress fared worse with 12%.

In fact, of the institutions in the Gallup poll, only the police found a bump in confidence in 2021.

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1 seeder Vic Eldred 3 years ago

Question for our readers: How many of you believed the Police are racist scam?

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1.1 Tessylo replied to Vic Eldred @1 3 years ago

No scam - there are lots of white supremacists/kkk/racist trash among the police. In the military also

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1.1.1 seeder Vic Eldred replied to Tessylo @1.1 3 years ago

Black residents want them back.

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1.1.2 Tessylo replied to Vic Eldred @1.1.1 3 years ago

So they polled 'everyone else' in Detroit?

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1.1.3 seeder Vic Eldred replied to Tessylo @1.1.2 3 years ago

Have you ever lived there?

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1.1.4 Greg Jones replied to Tessylo @1.1 3 years ago

Says who? As usual you have no facts to support your baseless claim

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1.1.5 Tessylo replied to Greg Jones @1.1.4 3 years ago

I don't have time to provide the many many links to back up my truth. I'm sure Vic wouldn't allow them anyway.

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1.1.6 seeder Vic Eldred replied to Tessylo @1.1.5 3 years ago

I don't have time to provide the many many links to back up my truth.

No time to do some research? Why on earth not?

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1.1.7 bugsy replied to Tessylo @1.1.5 3 years ago

I don't have time to provide the many many links to back up my truth.

If there are "many many" links, I'm sure it won't take a couple of seconds for you to post a couple of them

Give it a try.

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1.1.8 XXJefferson51 replied to Tessylo @1.1 3 years ago

Evidence? Proof? There are no doubt a few such bad apples that are police and military persons but it’s not anywhere near a pervasive or systemic problem.

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1.1.9 JohnRussell replied to XXJefferson51 @1.1.8 3 years ago

Beyond any doubt there are many many tens of thousands of racist police officers in America.

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1.1.10 JohnRussell replied to XXJefferson51 @1.1.8 3 years ago

Because of the neighborhood I live in , I personally know about a dozen cops. Almost all of them are racially biased to one extent or another.

I have seen a half dozen or so off duty cops make jokes about "ni---ers" at a picnic.

People who say racism is not a big issue in US police departments are dreaming.

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1.1.11 JohnRussell replied to XXJefferson51 @1.1.8 3 years ago

Only for space reasons is this list this short. To see the rest of it, go to There’s racial bias in our police systems. Here’s the overwhelming proof. - Washington Post

Policing and profiling

I’ve had more than one retired police officer tell me there is a running joke in law enforcement when it comes to racial profiling: It never happens . . . and it works. But the problem with trying to dismiss profiling concerns by noting that higher rates at which some minority groups commit certain crimes is that it overlooks the fact that huge percentages of black and Latino people have been pulled over, stopped on the street and generally harassed despite the fact that they have done nothing wrong. Stop-and-frisk data, for example, consistently show that about 3 percent of these encounters produce any evidence of a crime. So 97 percent-plus of these people are getting punished solely because they belong to a group that statistically commits some crimes at a higher rate. That ought to bother us.

A New York Times examination after the death of George Floyd found that while black people make up 19 percent of the Minneapolis population and 9 percent of its police, they were on the receiving end of 58 percent of the city’s police use-of-force incidents.
A massive study published in May 2020 of 95 million traffic stops by 56 police agencies between 2011 and 2018 found that while black people were much more likely to be pulled over than whites, the disparity lessens at night, when police are less able to distinguish the race of the driver. The study also found that blacks were more likely to be searched after a stop, though whites were more likely to be found with illicit drugs. The darker the sky, the less pronounced the disparity between white and black motorists. The study also found that in states that had legalized marijuana, the racial disparity narrowed but was still significant.
An August 2019 study published by the National Academy of Sciences based on police-shooting databases found that between 2013 and 2018, black men were about 2.5 times more likely than white men to be killed by police, and that black men have a 1-in-1,000 chance of dying at the hands of police. Black women were 1.4 more times likely to be killed than white women. Latino men were 1.3 to 1.4 times more likely to be killed than white men. Latino women were between 12 percent and 23 percent less likely to be killed than white women.
A 2019 study of 11,000 police stops over about four weeks in the District found that while black people make up 46 percent of the city’s population, they accounted for 70 percent of police stops, and 86 percent of stops that didn’t involve traffic enforcement.
An October 2019 report in the Los Angeles Times found that during traffic stops, “24% of black drivers and passengers were searched, compared with 16% of Latinos and 5% of whites.” The same study also found that police were slightly more likely to find drugs, weapons or other contraband among whites.
A 2019 study of police stops in Cincinnati found that black motorists were 30 percent more likely to be pulled over than white motorists. Black motorists also comprised 76 percent of arrests following a traffic stop despite making up 43 percent of the city’s population. It’s worth noting, again, that multiple studies have shown that searches of white motorists are slightly more likely to turn up contraband than searches of black motorists.
A 2020 report by the Austin Office of Police Oversight, Office of Innovation and Equity Office found that blacks and Latinos were more likely than whites to be stopped, searched and arrested despite similar “hit rates” for illicit drugs among those groups.
Another study found that in surrounding Travis County, Tex. , blacks comprised about 30 percent of police arrests for possession of less than a gram of an illicit drug from 2017 to 2018, despite making up only 9 percent of the county’s population, and that surveys consistently show that blacks and whites use illegal drugs at about the same rate.
A 2019 study of the Columbus, Ohio, police department found that while black people make up 28 percent of the city’s population, about half of the use-of-force incidents by city police were against black residents.
A 2019 study of policing in Charleston, S.C., found that 61 percent of use-of-force incidents were against black people, who make up about 22 percent of the city’s population. The study did find that the level of force used did not significantly vary by race. White officers were more likely to be involved in a use-of-force incident than black officers. Black people also filed 63 percent of complaints against police. The study also found that black motorists were pulled over at a higher rate than would be predicted based on their involvement in traffic accidents.
A 2019 study in Portland, Ore., found that black motorists and pedestrians were much more likely to be stopped, receive tickets and be arrested for drug possession than white pedestrians and motorists.
A 2019 survey of traffic tickets in Indianapolis and its suburbs found that in the city, black drivers received 1.5 tickets for every white driver. In the suburban town of Fishers, the disparity grew to 4.5 tickets, and in the wealthy suburb of Carmel, black motorists received 18 tickets for every ticket issued to a white motorist.
A 2020 study commissioned by the Charlottesville city council found significant racial disparities in the city and surrounding county’s criminal justice systems in five key areas: “seriousness of charges brought, the number of companion charges, bail-bond release decisions, the length of stay awaiting trial, and guilty outcomes.” In the city , black men were 8.5 percent of the population, but comprised more than half the arrests. In the county, black men were 4.4 percent of the population, but comprised 37.6 percent of arrests.
A 2020 report on 1.8 million police stops by the eight largest law enforcement agencies in California found that blacks were stopped at a rate 2.5 times higher than the per capita rate of whites. The report also found that black people were far more likely to be stopped for “reasonable suspicion” (as opposed to actually breaking a law) and were three times more likely than any other group to be searched, even though searches of white people were more likely to turn up contraband.
A 2019 report in the Intercept found that blacks in South Bend, Ind., were 4.3 times more likely than whites to be arrested for marijuana possession.
A study of 542,000 traffic stops in Connecticut in 2017 found that the racial disparity in stops had narrowed from previous years. But it also found that blacks were more likely to be searched after stops for registration, license, seatbelt and cellphone violations. The study found that about 19 percent of searches of black motorists turned up contraband, vs. 29 percent of the searches of white motorists.
A study of police activity between 2012 and 2016 in Springfield, Mo., commissioned by the city’s police chief, found “substantial disparities in the rate at which African-Americans were stopped, and that the disparities increased, from 2012 to 2016 in Springfield. Some of this disparity is attributable to the fact that African-Americans are stopped for investigative purposes than would be predicted given their overall proportion of stops.” The report also found that “when African-Americans are stopped they are more likely to be searched and arrested than would be predicted given their proportion of stops and searches,” and that “it does not appear that the disparity in searches for African-Americans is attributable to a greater propensity to be in possession of contraband."
A 2019 report from Burlington, Vt., found that black drivers were slightly more likely than white drivers to be pulled over, but six times more likely to be searched. The report did find that the racial disparities were shrinking, and that since the legalization of marijuana, stops and searches of all drivers had dropped significantly.
In their book “ Suspect Citizens ,” Frank R. Baumgartner, Derek A. Epp and Kelsey Shoub reviewed 20 million traffic stops. In an interview with The Post, they shared what they found: “Blacks are almost twice as likely to be pulled over as whites — even though whites drive more on average,” “blacks are more likely to be searched following a stop,” and “just by getting in a car, a black driver has about twice the odds of being pulled over, and about four times the odds of being searched.” They found that blacks were more likely to be searched despite the fact they’re less likely to be found with contraband as a result of those searches.
In March of 2019 , researchers compiled and analyzed data from more than 100 million traffic stops in the United States. What they found: Police were more likely to pull over black drivers. The researchers were able to confirm racial bias by measuring daytime stops against nighttime stops, when darkness would make it more difficult to ascertain a driver’s race. As with previous studies, they also found that black and Latino drivers are more likely to be searched for contraband — even though white drivers are consistently more likely to be found with contraband. They also found that legalization of marijuana in Colorado and Washington has caused fewer drivers to be searched during a stop, but that it did not alter the increased frequency with which black and Latino drivers are searched.
A 2014 telephone study of urban men found that “participants who reported more police contact also reported more trauma and anxiety symptoms, associations tied to how many stops they reported, the intrusiveness of the encounters, and their perceptions of police fairness,” and that “overall, the burden of police contact in each of these cities falls predominantly on young Black and Latino males.”
Though blacks make up just under 12 percent of the population in Texas, according to a database kept by the Texas Justice Initiative , they comprise 29 percent of deaths in police custody since 2005, and 27 percent of civilians shot by police officers. Hispanics were underrepresented in both categories.
A 2013 Justice Department study found that black and Latino drivers are more likely to be searched once they have been pulled over. About 2 percent of white motorists were searched, vs. 6 percent of black drivers and 7 percent of Latinos.
In 2015 , the Charleston Post and Courier looked at incidents in which police stopped motorists but didn’t issue a citation. These are sometimes called “pretext stops,” because they suggest that the officer was profiling the motorist as a possible drug courier or suspected the motorist of other crimes. The paper found that after adjusting for population, blacks in nearly every part of the state were significantly more likely to be the subject of such stops.
A 2017 study of 4.5 million traffic stops by the 100 largest police departments in North Carolina found that blacks and Latinos were more likely to be searched than whites (5.4 percent, 4.1 percent and 3.1 percent, respectively), even though searches of white motorists were more likely than the others to turn up contraband (whites: 32 percent, blacks: 29 percent, Latinos: 19 percent).
According to the Justice Department , between 2012 and 2014, black people in Ferguson, Mo., accounted for 85 percent of vehicle stops, 90 percent of citations and 93 percent of arrests, despite comprising 67 percent of the population. Blacks were more than twice as likely as whites to be searched after traffic stops, even though they proved to be 26 percent less likely to be in possession of illegal drugs or weapons. Between 2011 and 2013, blacks also received 95 percent of jaywalking tickets and 94 percent of tickets for “failure to comply.” The Justice Department also found that the racial discrepancy for speeding tickets increased dramatically when researchers looked at tickets based on only an officer’s word vs. tickets based on objective evidence, such as vs. radar. Black people facing similar low-level charges as white people were 68 percent less likely to see those charges dismissed in court. More than 90 percent of the arrest warrants stemming from failure to pay/failure to appear were issued for black people.

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2 JBB 3 years ago

Glenn Greenwald? Not known for any credibility.

He is a political hack who makes hacks cringe...

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2.1 seeder Vic Eldred replied to JBB @2 3 years ago

It's a USA TODAY/Suffolk University/Detroit Free Press Poll.

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2.1.1 Snuffy replied to Vic Eldred @2.1 3 years ago

did you really expect any other reaction? (lol, I know you didn't but sometimes it's fun to poke the bear).

It all depends on what the poll in question is saying. These same people here who are refuting this poll sure seemed to be supporting polls in that other thread of yours where you had a poll about how pessimistic people are about the next 12 months. At least we don't need crib notes to know which polls are good and which ones are bad... /s

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2.1.2 seeder Vic Eldred replied to Snuffy @2.1.1 3 years ago

It's obvious to one and all, yet one of them said "I'm getting pounded here. It is funny.

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2.1.3 JohnRussell replied to Vic Eldred @2.1.2 3 years ago

The funny part is you believing you dont get pounded here every day.

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2.1.4 seeder Vic Eldred replied to JohnRussell @2.1.3 3 years ago

The outrageous part is that you do. They have all but turned me into Walter Winchell. If that's a pounding, I'll take all you can muster!

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2.2 XXJefferson51 replied to JBB @2 3 years ago

A liberal who opposes pc woke cancel culture is a political hack?

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3 Tessylo 3 years ago

Doesn't matter. Polls can be skewed to get the results they want

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3.1 seeder Vic Eldred replied to Tessylo @3 3 years ago

No kidding!

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3.2 Greg Jones replied to Tessylo @3 3 years ago

Yeah, we know. [deleted] do it all the time.

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3.3 bugsy replied to Tessylo @3 3 years ago

You mean like the one that said Biden's approval is above 50 percent?

Somebody was obviously desperate to get those results.

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