This Columbus Day Interview From Fox News Is Offensive
I could have put this on one of the existing Columbus Day seeds but I decided it rated its own attention.
Fox News interviews the old SNL "funny man" (to use the word loosely) Joe Piscopo. Piscopo goes on to say something extremely offensive about Columbus Day, but he is obviously too stupid to realize it.
He defends Columbus Day on the basis that his grandparents were Italian immigrants. They told him that they came because America is the greatest country on earth. As irrelevant as that is to Columbus , and what Columbus did, that is not the really offensive part of Piscopo's bs.
At the 1:45 mark on the video Piscopo says
"What we celebrate today is really beyond Columbus, it is celebrating the ethnicity of America. The ethnicity and the mosaic is the foundation of the United States Of America. It's the strength of America, they literally by their hands built this great country. The Italian -Americans, the Jewish Americans, the Latino-Americans, the black Americans, the Chinese -Americans , we're all in this together. And once you cancel out one of those groups, in this case Italian-Americans, you hurt all of those groups, you hurt all of America. "
As probably jumped out at you, Piscopo totally leaves out the ethnic group at the heart of this controversy, the Native-Americans. He DOES NOT mention them as one of the groups that contribute to the greatness of America.
A simple oversight from a simpleton? Maybe, but I think it is more of an expressed worldview.
The bimbo Fox host goes on to associate criticism of Columbus with communism and un-Americanism.
All in all a pretty disgusting video.
This video is a good example of what is wrong with Fox News on a daily basis.
It's just another example of how white conservative Christians desperately want only their version of history to be taught. I mean how could Piscopo include Native-Americans if he's intent on giving credit to Columbus for "discovering" America?
They want to teach that Columbus discovered their fantasy "America" which was in their minds empty and that their white Christian ancestors came here and created a new utopia while leaving out the genocides and murder of millions. They want to teach that southern slave owners treated their slaves more like family than cattle, they want to teach that the civil war was really about states rights, they want to teach that Santa Claus delivers presents to all good children in a single night, that the tooth fairy comes in and pays kids money for teeth left under their pillows, that white conservative Christians helped 'civilize' native Americans bringing them many benefits, but they leave out the hundreds of broken treaties and thousands of broken promises, the stealing of their sacred lands, the murders and rape of indigenous people and the forced conversions of natives to Christianity, and to contradict with their white conservative Christian fantasy history is like slapping them in the face which apparently is why Piscopo looks like an over-baked ham.
JR wrote: "He DOES NOT mention them as one of the groups that contribute to the greatness of America."
How did Native Americans, as a group, contribute to the greatness of America?
Educate us.
The Constitution ring a bell?
It's a perfectly legitimate question.
If you believe Native Americans as a group have contributed to the greatness of America, you shouldn't have difficulty describing that.
You could ask that about any ethnic group.
It is not - it simply a throwout statement to get people pissed & flagged.
Pretty important....and then there's all that medicine...
Enough?
Absolutely. And most members of most ethnic groups can give you a proud answer.
Why would it be different with Native Americans?
Exactly my point.
Out of curiosity, how long did that take you? A few seconds? I'd wager there is a lot more that you didn't post.
So this business about how the question is somehow "contemptible" is complete bullshit.
Every ethnic group has its proud story about how those people have made a difference, and if you're a proud member of that group you should be able to tell it.
Sorry it took 29 minutes Gregg,
being I was on the phone the whole time with a client while sending and answering emails in my real occupation.
Native American Contributions
Did you know that Native Americans have contributed many things to the
American way of life today? Things that you use or do now, many Native Americans
have been using and doing for many, many years.
Many times, the only thing people remember about Native Americans are the
negative things-but they contribute many positive things and should be remembered for
them. A lot of time, we only think about things we can readily identify as representing
Native Americans, such as their fine art work. Yes-the people of the Southwest are
known for their beautiful silver and turquoise jewelry. The people of the Northwest
Coast are known for their fantastic woodcarvings. The Plains Indians are well known for
their beautiful beadwork.
But other than art, the Native Americans have influenced many areas of
American living. Some of these things were begun long before the arrival of the
European settlers on North American land.
DID YOU KNOW THAT ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT ASPECTS OF
NATIVE AMERICAN LIFE IS ECOLOGY? People of today have just begun to think
about this. The Native Americans have always had a deep respect for the land. There
was a love of every form of life. The Native Americans did not kill anything they could
not use. They never killed an animal or a fish for the sport of it. Fishing and hunting
were a way to survive. The Native Americans lived in harmony with nature and did not
abuse the natural world. Native Americans were ecologists long before they were ever
used. The Anishinaabe people do not have a word for “Conservation”, because it is an
assumed way of life, it did not have to have a special word.
DID YOU KNOW THAT MANY OF THE FOODS WE EAT TODAY WERE FIRST
GROWN BY NATIVE AMERICANS? Native Americans learned to grow and use many
different kinds of food that many people eat today, never considering that they first
came from Native Americans: potatoes, beans, corn, peanuts, pumpkins, tomatoes,
squash, peppers, nuts, melons, and sunflower seeds. They also helped the European
settlers survive in the New World by sharing their farming methods with them.
DID YOU KNOW THAT MANY OF THE GAMES YOU PLAY TODAY CAME
FROM NATIVE AMERICANS? Canoeing, snowshoeing, tobogganing, lacrosse, relay
races, tug-of-wars, and ball games are just a few of the games early Native Americans
played and still enjoy today. Many youth groups such as Boy Scouts, Girl Scouts,
Campfire and YMCA Guides have programs based largely on Native American crafts
and lore.
DID YOU KNOW THAT THE IDEA FOR THE U.S. GOVERNMENT WAS
ADOPTED FROM THE NATIVE AMERICANS? Benjamin Franklin said that the idea of
the federal government, in which certain powers are given to a central government and
all other powers are reserved for the states, was borrowed from the system of
government used by the Iroquoian League of Nations.
DID YOU KNOW THAT MANY WORDS WE USE EVERY DAY CAME FROM
NATIVE AMERICANS? Countless Native American words and inventions have become
an everyday part of our language and use. Some of these include: barbecue, caribou,
chipmunk, woodchuck, hammock, toboggan, skunk, mahogany, hurricane, and
moccasin. Many towns, cities and rivers have names of Native American origin. Just a
few of these include: Seattle, Spokane, Yakima, Pocatello, Chinook, Flathead Lake,
Milwaukee, Ottawa, Miami, Wichita, and Kalispell.
DID YOU KNOW THAT NATIVE AMERICANS DEVELOPED AND
COMMUNICATED WITH SIGN LANGUAGE? A system of hand signals was developed
to facilitate trade and communicate between different tribal groups and later between
Native Americas and trappers and traders. The same idea is used today for
communicating with those who are deaf and unable to speak. The signs are different,
but the idea is the same.
DID YOU KNOW THAT MANY NATIVE AMERICANS SERVED DURING
WORLD WAR I, WORLD WAR II AND OTHER CAMPAIGNS?
Even though many of them were not even citizens, more than 8,000 Native Americans volunteered and served during World War I. Well over 24,000 served during World War II. One of the most notable contributions during World War II was the service of the Navajo Code Talkers, a special group of volunteers who did top-secret work using a secret code in Navajo that could not be broken.
DID YOU KNOW THAT INDIANS AS INDIVIDUALS HAVE EXCELLED IN MANY
FIELDS? Jim Thorpe (athlete), Billy Mills (athlete), Johnny Bench (athlete), Charles
Curtis (vice president of U.S.), Maria Tallchief (ballerina), Johnny Cash (entertainer),
Buffy St. Marie (musician) and Will Rogers (entertainer)… these are just a few. With
some research, the list could be extended to include someone in every area and walk of
life.
Native American Contributions
Many Students, as well as adults, do not know of the contributions made by the
American Indian. The contributions cover a wide spectrum of American culture. It is
most important that children be made aware of such information not only to erase
generalizations, but also to make them aware of the importance of the Native American
in the historical and contemporary settling of American.
FOODS PRODUCTS
Corn Canoe
Popcorn Tobaggan
Wild rice Snow shoes
Bean (14 varieties) Moccasins
Squash Tipi
Pumpkins Kayak
Cranberries Fringed buckskin jacket
Maple sugar and syrup Coonskin caps
Potatoes (white and sweet) Mukluks
Turkeys Lacrosse
Clam bakes Cradle boards (baby carriers)
Pemmican Tomahawk
Jerky Tobacco
Tomatoes Cigars
Pineapples Pipe smoking
Avocado Cotton
Tapioca (Manioc) Rubber
Chocolate (Cacao) Quinine
Peanuts
Chewing gum
Vanilla
Wild rice
60% of the present world’s food supply comes from the American Indians’
agriculture, primarily consisting of corn and the so-called “Irish” potatoes. Thousands of
American Indian names dot our maps in states, cities, counties, lakes, mountains and
rivers, and hundreds of Indian names are used as trade names for modern
manufactured products, etc.
Indian art, designs and styles have strongly influenced modern design,
architecture and music.
Modern youth groups such as Boy Scouts, Girl Scouts, Campfire Girls and the
YMCA Indian Guides, all include programs based largely on Indian lore, arts and crafts,
character building and outdoor campcraft and living.
Past American Indian civilizations (Inca, Mayan and Aztec) plus the Iroquois
Confederacy have influenced our very form of democratic government, the Iroquois
Confederacy being copied by Benjamin Franklin when he drafted our Federation of
States. Truly, we may state our form of government is “American.”
Besides the recognized contributions such as corn, squash, etc, the most
important contribution is the Indian’s value system. They placed emphasis and
importance on:
Respect for Mother Earth (Ecology),
Respect for Fellow Man ( No Prejudice),
Respect for the Great Spirit (God), generosity, sharing (no material acquisitions),
honest leadership selection, bravery, courage,
respect for the aged, family tradition,
no religious animosity,
no major wars (no Indian nation destroyed another),
also there were thousands of years of peace (before 1492);
no tranquilizers, drugs, alcohol, ulcers,
no poor, no rich,
no insane asylums,
no jails, prisons, lawyers, taxes, borders or boundaries,
no germ warfare (smallpox infected blankets),
and no complete annihilation weapons (Hydrogen bomb).
The Native American has influenced many areas of the American way of life,
from art and music, to law and government. Some other areas are:
1. Indians served as guides in the early exploration of this hemisphere. Their
Trails became the roads and railroads over which the settlers advanced in
search of new homes.
2. The log cabin was an adaptation of the Indian log or longhouse.
3. Sites of Indian villages advantageously located on waterways and trails
became trading posts, then villages. Later they became the modern cities
of Chicago, Detroit, St. Louis, Kansas City, Pittsburgh, Pocatello, and
countless others.
4. Fur traders visited Indian villages and held rendezvous. Their reports
encouraged the land hungry and adventurous people to move farther and
farther inland.
5. The Indians assisted the English, French, Spanish and peoples of other
European countries in the struggle for control of the new country.
6. The Indian has been immortalized in song, painting, art and sculpture.
7. Symbols such as the totem pole, thunderbird, sun and tepees, as well as
the Indian’s love for color have had a prominent place in developing
modern design.
8. Indian Knowledge of areas where fine clays, used in making pottery and
china, has been passed to the white man and this was the beginning of
the manufacturing of fine porcelain ware.
9. Indians cultivated and developed many plants that are very important in
the world today. Some of them are white and sweet potatoes, corn,
beans, tobacco, chocolate, peanuts, cotton, rubber and gum. Plants were
also used for dyes, medicines, soap, clothes, shelters and baskets.
10. Many places in the United States have names of Indian origin.
Approximately half of our states have Indian names.
11. Some Idaho names of Indian origin include: Pocatello, Tendoy, Bannock,
Camas, Lemhi, Shoshone, Inkom, Kamiah, Potlatch, Nez Perce, Oneida
and Minidoka.
12. Countless Indian words have become a part of the English language.
Some sample words are: barbecue, cannibal, caribou, chipmunk,
chocolate, cougar, hammock, hurricane, mahogany, moose, opossum,
potato, skunk, squash, toboggan and woodchuck.
13. Games and recreational activities developed by Indians include:
canoeing, tobogganing, snowshoeing, lacrosse, cat’s cradle and bull roar.
14. Indians also have contributed a great deal to farming methods. The white
settlers in colonial America might have starved if they had not copied
Indian farming methods. At least one tribe, the Pima, had a welldeveloped irrigation system.
15. Benjamin Franklin said that our idea of the federal government, in which
certain powers are conferred on a central government, and all other
powers reserved to the states, was borrowed from the system of
government of the Iroquoian League.
16. Indians were loyal in supporting the United States as shown by the high
ratio of enlistment during the wars. Their work with the Signal Corps
during World War II is an outstanding example.
17. Listed below are the names of our states which are of Indian derivation.
ALABAMA From the Alibamu, the name of Muskogean
tribe, meaning “those who clear land for
agricultural purposes.”
ARIZONA From the Papago word, Airzonac, which
probably means “small springs.”
ARKANSAS From Akansea, a tribe whose name means
“downstream people.”
CONNECTICUT Meaning “river whose water is driven by tides
or winds.”
DAKOTA (North and South) Tribal name of the Sioux
meaning “Allies.”
ILLINOIS Meaning “Men,” the name of a confederacy of
Algonquian tribes.
IOWA The name of a tribe meaning “Sleepy Ones.”
KENTUCKY Said to be derived from the word “Kenta,”
meaning “Field” or “Meadow.”
MASSACHUSETTS Name of an Algonquian tribe meaning “At or
About the Great Hill.”
MICHIGAN From the Indian word “Michigamea, meaning
“Great Water.”
MINNESOTA A Dakota word meaning “Whitish or Sky-tinted
water.”
MISSISSIPPI Algonquian word “misi” meaning “Great,” and
“sipi,” meaning “water.”
MISSOURI From the name of a tribe meaning “Great
Muddy,” which refers to the river.
NEBRASKA From an Oto word meaning “Broad Water.”
NEW MEXICO Name of an Aztec god, “Meritili.”
OHIO Iroquois word meaning “Beautiful River.”
OKLAHOMA A Choctaw word meaning “Red People.”
TENNESSEE The name of Cherokee settlement, the
meaning unknown.
TEXAS The name of a group of tribes meaning
“Friends,” or “Allies.”
UTAH From the tribal name of the “Ute,” meaning
unknown.
WISCONSIN The name of a group of tribes living on the
Wisconsin River.
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Didn't take you long, either.
So what makes us think we need to protect Native Americans from questions about their contributions?
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Yes it is and I would have thought that some of them would have been taught in school, but it seems that's not the case.
1. The Iroquois and the Great Law of Peace.
2. Chief Shenandoah, Polly Cooper and the Oneida (Americas first Allies)
3. Numerous inventions with probably the most important one (s) would be as follows.
4. The Navajo Code Talkers, you've probably heard of them and their contribution but there were 31 other tribes that had code talkers in the US military in WWI, WWII, Korea and Vietnam
5. Native Americans learned to grow and use many different kinds of food that many people eat today, never considering that they first came from Native Americans: potatoes, beans, corn, peanuts, pumpkins, tomatoes, squash, peppers, nuts, melons and sunflower seeds.
6. American's first prima ballerina, Maria Tallchief. A fascinating person and her and the four moons contributions to the American Dance scene are powerful.
I could go on but that's a good start.
My issue with Gregg's comment is the tone, it's obviously snarky and in disagreement with JR.
And Gregg logged off a few seconds later uninterested in any dialogue or answers.
He was just throwing a Baby Ruth in the swimming pool, so to speak.
Who's trolling now, John?
If you're too fucking thick to realize what's happening here, what we've established is that Native Americans are perfectly capable of coming into a discussion about "what have you contributed" with a list as long as your arm. Had you actually bothered to read that thing you copied and pasted, you'd understand that.
They do not need protection on that front, any more that Jim Thorpe needed a head start in the 100yd dash at the Olympics.
Asking them that question is no more reprehensible or contemptible or offensive than it would be to ask it of me about my English ancestors or my wife about her Mexican ones any Italian, Irishman, German, or anybody else.
Of course I read what I posted. I read everything I post, before I post it.
What makes you think that I , or anyone else here, think Native Americans need to be protected from questions about their contributions ?
Here is what Greg said
Greg gives us the hint that he believes maybe there are no such "contributions".
Here is what you said right after that
Why should Native Americans be required to list what their contributions have been to America any more than any other ethnic group would be?
It's a "legitimate question" ? In the context of what is going on on this seed , I dont see it that way. It sounds like telling AI they have to justify themselves as Americans.
Jack - read the U.S. Constitution - a very good part of it is/was taken from the Iroquois Confederacy's Tree of Life. The Founding Fathers thought quite a bit good about it which is why they included/adapted the language.
Good enough contribution?
It's extremely obvious that you don't know about/any Native Americans.
Confrontation - ya know the word???? We don't like it and we don't do it (except for a few of us). That's why you don't see a parade of responses to that FORM of question. That question is a slap in the face because of the way we are/were raised and the manner we hold others up to.
The second response to "the question" was
The rest of the comments have been a continual stream of why there is nothing wrong with the question.
He may have believed that, I don't know. But he gave you the chance to prove that idea wrong and several of you took him up on it. How is this not a win?
As we already agreed 15 comments ago, it isn't any different...
I know you meant that sarcastically and, of course, forgot the slash tag.
But, you hit the nail on the head - a whole lot of misplaced white guilt.
But do you understand it...and the ridicule you would receive from it?
Pretty much EVERYTHING they claim conservatives and republicans are doing.
That wasn't so hard, was it?
I was playing devils advocate. It was a legitimate question on my part trying to elicit some well thought out examples to the author's vague and generalized comment.
Yes Gregg it was so easy I believe YOU could have done it and saved us the angst and drama.
Keep reading. maybe you will learn something.
And thanks for the edit to a more intelligent response,
appreciate it.
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It worked, didn't it? Sorry about your angst.
That was funny...but not really intelligent
Absolutely. That's my point.
All I did was post things you could learn from,
as requested.
You're welcome.
He didn’t mention the Irish! Disgusting!
How will I get through today knowing a washed up actor didn’t name check every possible ethnic group when discussing ethnic pluralism in America? Let’s riot over this massive insult!
I see a cop was murdered after a traffic stop yesterday. Small potatoes when compared to the disgusting offense joe piscipo committed though.
Sean, you dont have to be intelligent to know that the controversy surrounding Columbus Day relates to the historic disregarding of the opinions of Native-Americans concerning Columbus. So Joe Piscopo should know.
Anyone but a clueless Eurocentric moron would have known that on this of all days Native-Americans should be included in descriptions of America.
Your distraction about a cop being murdered is irrelevant to the topic.
It's an example of the type of act that should provoke outrage, not the bromides of an actor who hasn't been relevant since Ronald Reagan's first term.
I couldnt care less about Joe Piscopo, other than he was the one interviewed today by Fox News.
How did you like the touch of having the host compare objections to Columbus Day to the communists murdering millions of people in the 20th century?
As usual, he has no idea
We never met him so we have no opinion of him - specifically.
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Oh - really?? No opinion? Be glad to give you the opinion of many of the Native Americans I have discussed this with - but, to what benefit?
Columbus introduced our genocide to the Euro's - not too happy 'bout that. He decimated over 2M Caribbean Indian's lives for loot, fame and grandeur. His being white adds to the disfavor, bad taste in our mouths of the "Conquerors" who were/are also white. He did show us that, even though we place great emphasis on discussion, in the white world, that doesn't seem possible without killing/taking/banishing/obliviating their opponent to get their point of dominance across.
Basically, he showed us that white society can't be trusted no matter what they say because their actions betray their words.
Wanna hear some more opinions?
So, what are the opinions of Native Americans concerning Columbus?
The question is a statement of rhetoric that more implies than differentiates. The question, as written, "implies" NA's have no opinion of Columbus.
You got your answer.
Sorry Tex, but you seem like you're gonna be rambunctious and feisty 'bout that ONE question.
So, let's do this - the Native Americans that I know have NO opinion on Christopher Columbus.
What we do have opinions on deal with the razing of our lands, people, economy, religions, culture, traditions and heritage and, according to our cultures/traditions, there we do our best to keep those issues to ourselves. We voice our opinions to our Clan leaders/Tribal leaders and Elders and allow them to take whatever actions/steps/voices they believe are necessary for the benefit of our/the people.
We do have opinions regarding the theft of 1.5B acres of our lands - the curtailment of our natural resources - the rape/pillaging of our villages - mass massacres of our people - stealing our children by the whites to make them white - stealing our children in total violation of Fed laws (ICWA/VAWA) because "they're cute"/"we'll give you a better life"/"your parents aren't good parents - let us take care of you" - and numerous other "trivial" "I'm your God" activities.
Oh yeah - we've also got opinions on the 80% of Native Women who have/will get raped by a non-Indian person (read that to be a white person) - most of our reservations don't have running water/electricity even though the White treaty we were forced to sign sez all of our people will have those things, along with medical care, infrastructure, housing, schools and engineers - over 60% of Native Americans on many reservations live in poverty and unemployment is at 45 - 80%
And we say to ourselves - Self, ya know it wasn't like this before - then the white guys showed up and decided that their Godship overruled societies that had/have existed for over 25,000 years - quite damn well, in fact. Why did they show up?? What/who gave them the idea that they could control every single aspect of our lives - the Church????? Quite simply, the answer is that - Well, they're white and they believe that whites should and will rule over all and everything not matter what anyone else sez.
Columbus? He was an explorer - hell, the Indian tribes/nations understand what an explorer is - we got lots of them. As an explorer, he did what explorers do - he explored an area that everyone said there was nothing - and he found something.
But, we don't fault him for his findings. We had/have a hard time believing the stories on the Indian grapevine telling of the atrocities that had been done "down South". We started building our defenses up 'cause you never know when some hard charger is gonna try to pull the same stunts/activities to the tribes/nations that resulted from Columbus's findings.
Most of us have nothing against the man for his exploring activity - but - we do have a lot against any person/country/tribe/nation who attempts to pull the same stunt on us - and, I can tell you - it ain't gonna happen in today's world.
That's where our opinions are.
Will there be Irish whiskey involved in this riot. If so, what time and where?
Typical tunnel vision. Complaining about Columbus Day is an insult to all Italian Americans? Really? Columbus's own country threw him away - that is why he sailed for Spain.
Not to mention the moron left all of my ethnicities - English, Irish, Scottish and Polish. So all my ancestors contributed nothing to the building of America.
Not to mention Columbus didn't discover "America". Sigh - "what a maroon" - as Bugs would say.
Not to mention the people already living here when the Europeans descended like locusts.
Does Piscopo look like he's alcohol poisoned or what?
He does look a little grizzled.
I didn't know he was still alive.
Is he? Maybe he is one of the "undead".
I don't know.i think the last time I saw him, he guest starred on an episode of Star Trek: TNG.
I don't think I saw that episode.
Season 2, episode 4: The Outrageous Okana. It also featured Teri Hatcher in an early role for her, when she was still relatively unknown.
Hmmm..I will have to revisit that.
It was a somewhat more lighthearted episode. Probably one of the more forgettable episodes of the series.
I have the Columbus Day Parade here in Chicago on the tv right now, the local ABC station is showing it.
A little while ago the announcers pointed out something interesting. About a third to a half of the marching units and floats are not representing Italian American groups , they are a variety of ethnic groups (Greek, Polish, Filipino, German, etc etc. ). I am sure this is new or recent to the Columbus Day parade. Why would this be? All these costumed ethnic marchers and performers in a Columbus Day parade always dedicated to Italian heritage?
Same reason I think that Joe Piscopo brings up the "immigrant experience" in the video and mentions various ethnic groups - to make the claim that Columbus day is a good thing because Columbus was the first immigrant and paved the way for all subsequent immigrants. It is a way to try and dilute from the impact of people describing Columbus as a rapist and murderer and slaver.
So now Columbus was an "immigrant" , and who doesnt like immigrants? Switching an emphasis of Columbus Day to the honoring of immigrants is a way to try and save the day for the Italians.
Columbus day is a rotten thing, in my opinion. And should not be a national holiday. But that is just me - I don't celebrate it.
Columbus never set foot in North America, the only part of the USA he ever visited was Puerto Rico and the US Virgin Islands.
A little bit of Red Jacket woulda been good too
Great find JBB - thanks.
Interesting bit of history but Tecumseh and his warriors did themselves no favors by wearing parts of
British red uniforms, it simply did not match their style of combat and cost them many lives
at Detroit, the Thames River final Battle.