Tucker is right. The secular progressive bi coastal urban elites do both hate 1776 America and want to control it. The left hates open displays of open patriotism like The NY Times writing lamenting American flags on the lawns or the homes of people in more rural areas of that very state.
Liberals continue to frame their narrative in terms of a north/south divide in the country. Liberals are completely blind to the east/west divide in the country because liberals completely ignore a century of history. Even liberals should recognize that west coast liberalism is distinctly different than east coast liberalism.
There's a whole genre of film that is based upon these American values that liberals frame as north/south conservatism. The American western film is uniquely American with nothing comparable anywhere else in the world.
Liberals ignoring a century of history is understandable since westward expansion wasn't accomplished with slavery; the black population was not involved in opening the west. Immigrants played a significant role in opening the west that their story is entirely different than liberal's telling of that history. The conservative values liberals attempt to twist to their cynical eastern viewpoint were shaped and molded on the Oregon Trail and the Chisholm Trail. These American values embody the hope for opportunity found in the Oklahoma Land Rush of 1889. The only thing people were given in settling the west was opportunity; the settlers had to work hard and take risks to seize that opportunity. And that real history is the seed kernel of American values that liberals simply cannot understand because liberals ignore that century of history.
The Little House on the Prairie by Laura Ingalls Wilder is an expression of American values. Zane Grey wrote fictional stories that embodied American values. John Wayne, Randolph Scott, Joel McCrea, Audie Murphy, and many others portrayed those American values on film as people of the west. The American western film hero was always conflicted; not always the good guy, not always the bad guy. Those American western heroes were always motivated by fair play, doing what's right, standing up for themselves when they had to, and defending others when they had to. American western heroes had grit.
Liberals don't have grit. In fact, it's doubtful liberals understand what having grit really means. Liberals can splice, slice, and twist history every which way to create a phony political narrative about conservatives. But the source of American values ain't the antebellum south. Throughout the history of the United States, American values have always been shaped and molded on the frontier of westward expansion. If anyone really wants to understand what American values means they need to look west.
That is an interesting little speech but doesnt really relate to the premise of the video. In fact your contention that western values are American values kind of proves the point of the video, which is that conservatives want to define what American values are for everyone else.
Why would I care what westerners think more than I would care what easterners think or northerners think or midwesterners think ? American values are not defined by "pioneering" any more than they are defined by Jane Addams building tenement settlements in the big cities. For that matter one could just as easily say that American values are defined by centuries of non whites perseverance against vast racial prejudice more than they are defined by westward expansion.
That is an interesting little speech but doesnt really relate to the premise of the video. In fact your contention that western values are American values kind of proves the point of the video, which is that conservatives want to define what American values are for everyone else.
The people defined those American values through the history of frontier settlement and westward expansion. American values really are grassroots values derived from the people themselves. American values aren't academic theories, intellectual abstractions, or a creation of politics. Speaking for the ordinary people who defined American values by living ordinary lives only expresses what is unique about the United States and American culture.
A somewhat loose simile would be European common law derived from the people themselves.
Why would I care what westerners think more than I would care what easterners think or northerners think or midwesterners think ? American values are not defined by "pioneering" any more than they are defined by Jane Addams building tenement settlements in the big cities. For that matter one could just as easily say that American values are defined by centuries of non whites perseverance against vast racial prejudice more than they are defined by westward expansion.
Why you should care about anything is a question only you can answer. What I'm pointing out is the video bases its arguments on the idea that the antebellum south is the source of American values. That is an incorrect premise; it's so wrong that it takes wrong to a new level of meaning. American values were shaped and molded on the frontier of westward expansion and NOT on southern plantations.
And you highlight why liberals completely ignore a century of history. The west was not opened and settled with slaves; the black population was not involved in opening and settling the west. The black population was not part of the history of westward expansion. And the black population was not involved in any way, shape, or form with defining American values.
And the black population was not involved in any way, shape, or form with defining American values.
Absurd.
Is resistance to oppression an American value?
Why are the values you associate with "pioneering" any more valid than the values that emerged from organizing labor or from opposition to slavery? People reject your claim that conservatives define American values.
… Are you fucking serious? Do you want to rethink that? The only reasonable interpretation of that response is that you are an autocrat through and though.
America was founded on the idea of resisting oppression.
… Are you fucking serious? Do you want to rethink that? The only reasonable interpretation of that response is that you are an autocrat through and though.America was founded on the idea of resisting oppression.
The American value is to fight for what's right; not to resist oppression. America was founded on the idea of fighting for what is right. But what's right? That's the $64 question that Americans have struggled with since the beginning.
Americans don't resist anything. Americans decide whether to fight or not fight. And if Americans decide that something is right and worth fighting for then Americans will oppress the hell out of anyone that opposes what is considered right.
By the same token, if Americans decide something isn't right and isn't worth fighting for then nothing will change their minds.
I guess the principles behind the Declaration of Independence, concepts of due process and equality under the law are now "conservative values" and not "American" values.
S E E D E D C O N T E N T
The video is concise, to the point, and makes a great case for its premise.
Its arguments reflect what we see on internet forums and social media virtually every day now.
Tucker is right. The secular progressive bi coastal urban elites do both hate 1776 America and want to control it. The left hates open displays of open patriotism like The NY Times writing lamenting American flags on the lawns or the homes of people in more rural areas of that very state.
[deleted.] Most normal, unbiased, and rational people have traditional a bit right of center values.
Most progressive ideas are extreme and out the main stream...to wit:
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Branco can be really dumb, he's outdone himself with this 'cartoon'.
Thinking people are dumb simply because they share different opinions is the really dumb thing.
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There's a whole genre of film that is based upon these American values that liberals frame as north/south conservatism. The American western film is uniquely American with nothing comparable anywhere else in the world.
Liberals ignoring a century of history is understandable since westward expansion wasn't accomplished with slavery; the black population was not involved in opening the west. Immigrants played a significant role in opening the west that their story is entirely different than liberal's telling of that history. The conservative values liberals attempt to twist to their cynical eastern viewpoint were shaped and molded on the Oregon Trail and the Chisholm Trail. These American values embody the hope for opportunity found in the Oklahoma Land Rush of 1889. The only thing people were given in settling the west was opportunity; the settlers had to work hard and take risks to seize that opportunity. And that real history is the seed kernel of American values that liberals simply cannot understand because liberals ignore that century of history.
The Little House on the Prairie by Laura Ingalls Wilder is an expression of American values. Zane Grey wrote fictional stories that embodied American values. John Wayne, Randolph Scott, Joel McCrea, Audie Murphy, and many others portrayed those American values on film as people of the west. The American western film hero was always conflicted; not always the good guy, not always the bad guy. Those American western heroes were always motivated by fair play, doing what's right, standing up for themselves when they had to, and defending others when they had to. American western heroes had grit.
Liberals don't have grit. In fact, it's doubtful liberals understand what having grit really means. Liberals can splice, slice, and twist history every which way to create a phony political narrative about conservatives. But the source of American values ain't the antebellum south. Throughout the history of the United States, American values have always been shaped and molded on the frontier of westward expansion. If anyone really wants to understand what American values means they need to look west.
That is an interesting little speech but doesnt really relate to the premise of the video. In fact your contention that western values are American values kind of proves the point of the video, which is that conservatives want to define what American values are for everyone else.
Why would I care what westerners think more than I would care what easterners think or northerners think or midwesterners think ? American values are not defined by "pioneering" any more than they are defined by Jane Addams building tenement settlements in the big cities. For that matter one could just as easily say that American values are defined by centuries of non whites perseverance against vast racial prejudice more than they are defined by westward expansion.
The people defined those American values through the history of frontier settlement and westward expansion. American values really are grassroots values derived from the people themselves. American values aren't academic theories, intellectual abstractions, or a creation of politics. Speaking for the ordinary people who defined American values by living ordinary lives only expresses what is unique about the United States and American culture.
A somewhat loose simile would be European common law derived from the people themselves.
Why you should care about anything is a question only you can answer. What I'm pointing out is the video bases its arguments on the idea that the antebellum south is the source of American values. That is an incorrect premise; it's so wrong that it takes wrong to a new level of meaning. American values were shaped and molded on the frontier of westward expansion and NOT on southern plantations.
And you highlight why liberals completely ignore a century of history. The west was not opened and settled with slaves; the black population was not involved in opening and settling the west. The black population was not part of the history of westward expansion. And the black population was not involved in any way, shape, or form with defining American values.
Absurd.
Is resistance to oppression an American value?
Why are the values you associate with "pioneering" any more valid than the values that emerged from organizing labor or from opposition to slavery? People reject your claim that conservatives define American values.
No.
… Are you fucking serious? Do you want to rethink that? The only reasonable interpretation of that response is that you are an autocrat through and though.
America was founded on the idea of resisting oppression.
The American value is to fight for what's right; not to resist oppression. America was founded on the idea of fighting for what is right. But what's right? That's the $64 question that Americans have struggled with since the beginning.
Americans don't resist anything. Americans decide whether to fight or not fight. And if Americans decide that something is right and worth fighting for then Americans will oppress the hell out of anyone that opposes what is considered right.
By the same token, if Americans decide something isn't right and isn't worth fighting for then nothing will change their minds.
It’s more a north East and west coast with lake coast Chicago against the rest of the country.
I guess the principles behind the Declaration of Independence, concepts of due process and equality under the law are now "conservative values" and not "American" values.
The creator of the seeded video hit the nail on the head.