Beyond Redemption
Link to quote: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/justice/wray-fbi-whistleblower-claims-hunter-biden-inquiry-deeply-troubling
Towering above all federal agencies is the invincible fiefdom known as the FBI. It began as part of Teddy Roosevelt's reform movement shortly after a Marxist put a bullet into the stomach of President McKinley. Later, under the leadership of it's hardest working director, J Edgar Hoover it morphed into the special crime fighting force we once came to know & admire. Over the decades the agency, through numerous regulations and underhanded tactics began to become an all powerful organization. It violated surveillance laws when going after members of organized crime as well as left wing extremist organizations during the late 60's. The latter it actually got called out for. To add insult to injury, sometime during the presidency of Barack Obama it began to become political.
I won't bother with the non-political corruption, such as the Whitey Bulger case or the framing of innocent men. I'm far more concerned with the political corruption. Much of that began with the election of 2016. That was the year that the FBI conducted a sham investigation into Hillary Clinton's e-mail server. The honest among us remember how the FBI gave out immunity like candy and even allowed subpoenaed information to be destroyed. In the end Director James Comey announced that the bureau would not recommend that any charges be brought against Clinton. Later the inspector general for the DOJ would find that Comey had deviated from FBI protocols during the investigation. Five FBI employees were referred by IG Horowitz for further investigation. The new FBI Director, Chris Wray vowed to hold people accountable for any misconduct. Nobody was ever held accountable.
Then there were the FISA warrant applications which were based upon the fictitious Steele Dossier and doctored by FBI lawyer Kevin Clinesmith. Clinesmith later pled guilty to doctoring the FISA applications and got zero prison time. Just probation. Very recently he got his DC Law license reinstated.
Former Deputy FBI Director Andrew McCabe was fired for allowing FBI material to be leaked and later misleading investigators about the leaks. The IG said he "lacked candor" while under oath. McCabe was also involved in a lawsuit over sexual harassment during his time at the FBI. He has since settled a lawsuit with the Justice Department which allowed him to get his pension back and was hired by CNN as an analyst.
Agent Peter Strzok (famous for his "We'll stop Trump" texts) was at the head of a secret investigation into Donald Trump as well as being deeply involved in the Clinton investigation. He was later fired amid controversy and the IG's call for an investigation for misconduct.
The Mueller Investigation was a complete farce. Somehow the left managed to get Trump's AG to recuse himself and their man at the DOJ to call for a Special Counsel investigation. This fishing expedition went on for 2 years, cost $32 Million, was loaded from top to bottom with Trump haters and failed to find anything close to collusion. It handed off it's final report to a democratic House of representatives with nothing more than what might have been in Donald Trump's mind.
The Whitmer Kidnap plot was another example of FBI misconduct. Twelve FBI agents penetrated the group known as the Wolverine Watchmen and entrapped them.
The Hunter Laptop - This damning piece of evidence which was suppressed by the MSM during the 2020 election was in FBI custody. Now the FBI claims that it vanished.
Here is the man who promised to hold people accountable:
At this point I am afraid that the firing of Wray and a house cleaning at the FBI will not be enough. It is beyond redemption. It must be abolished.
I don't know if any agency can be trusted with that much power ever again.
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Did you have a problem when they investigated Hillary's emails ?
I had a big problem with the way that was handled.
And you?
Mr Wray has no time for these questions, he got to use a taxpayer funded private jet to fly to his vacation home!
He's out as soon as DeSantis is sworn in!
From your lips to Donald's ears!
If Trump decides (or is able) to run, 2024 maybe a 'Bridge to Near' for DeSantis to keep his feet dry whilst straddling the MAGA Rubicon. I presume DeSantis is smart enough not to want to inherit the crazies that Trump is littering the current political landscape with. At 43 and depending on how the political planets align, it may be best for him to wait for 2028 and to work quietly in the backroom for the purge the GoP is in desperate need of.
Of course DeSantis could always promise to give Donald a backdoor 'presidential' pardon ...
Pay attention: This article is about what happened to the FBI.
This is not a safe space. You will be informed.
You brought DeSantis into it. That said, if this is "not a safe space" I'm sure you have informed the 'NT FBI' and they have broken into it. /s
B.T.W. Leon Czolgosz was an anarchist, not a Marxist.
Lol and you brought Trump into. Mine was relevant and yours was not.
That said, if this is "not a safe space" I'm sure you have informed the 'NT FBI' and they have broken into it. /s
You're slipping.
So are you ... see the updated comment.
You're not slipping Hal.
anarchism = a violent violent offshoot of Marxism.
See, everyday you learn something here.
Class will resume at 9AM tomorrow.
Lol .... the foaming at the mouth, TDS ridden liberal kooks far outnumber them these days.
Far outnumber .... especially the ones who don’t even live here ....
You can lead a horse to water but you can’t make it drink.
And indoctrinated horses may die of thirst!
Headlong into an urn I am.
What's a Greek Urn?
Answer: About $600 a week.
Hauling out trite aphorisms is not an indication that you can think.
What did the Greek Shepard say to the American tourist?
After we fuck 'em you eat 'em!
Too rough?
As the Greek tailor observed: Euripides, Eumenides!
Sounds like Kitchener Leslie.
You have heard of him?
No, I will look him up ... first a trip to the pharmacy.
It may help to look him up under Norm Macdonald
Truth is rarely trite.
Especially to the sane and unbiased.
“Truth is rarely trite.”
Close…but the truth is never trite.
Close but not required ......
What nonsense is that?
Another opinion?
anarchism definition - Search (bing.com)
What nonsense is that?
Anarchism and Marxism share many of the same objectives. Few of which are very realistic in society today or ever.
Better study up SP.
anarchism is closer to libertarianism than it is to marxism.
we used to have a member here who called himself an "anarcho-capitalist" which is a term to describe anarchy from the right. it is also libertarian in philosophy.
Whistleblowers revealed widespread FBI misconduct ahead of Trump raid, multiple lawmakers say.
More Just The News bs. You never learn.
Everything in there is accurate.
Gawd, it is amazing that when it comes to Trump, you are always against him. No matter what.
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The fixation with Trump is little understood.
Ah Sigmund, along with Durham another Lenin look-alike.
As you know, he was celebrated in academia.
I think the feminists have proved him right about penis envy.
Ah yes, those feminists that you are so wanting to besmirch. Let's just end it for today ... I prefer Anais Nin over Ayn Rand any which way.
Have a good one Vic, I have a real-men-don't-eat quiche to make.
II never figured you for that.
Bona-Petite
That's what Anais called Henry. Her hubby could sink battleships.
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EXCLUSIVE : Sen. Ron Johnson Calls For FBI , DOJ Employees To Come Forward With Info On Trump Mar-A-Lago Raid
Ron Johnson is an absurd conspiracy nut. I wouldnt believe him if he said water is wet.
So you know him?
And the FISA Chief Judge will never trust the FBI again.
Clyde Hayward? ;- )
As well as a known liar.
But some foolish people keep listening to him.
Would you believe Amway if they said, "LOC can make water wetter"?
Your endless affection for the belief that Trump is an innocent man wrongfully accused (which is absurd) casts doubts on the rest of your theories that truly cannot be overcome.
So rather than ask just what the fuck the FBI has turned into, you ignore the seed and all the history around what is happening in the FBI and use this seed to instead accuse someone of defending Donald Trump. Says an awful lot about you.
Generally, I dont believe right wing media, which is a morass of conspiracy theories and misinformation. I dont accept the sources that say the FBI is corrupt and persecuted Trump. Its that simple.
There is not a single link in the body of the seeded article. It is Vics viewpoint which we all know is based on conspiracy theories and misinformation, and far right biases. Give me some links from mainstream media to the things Vic alleges the FBI has done and I will look at them.
Instead of trashing everybody John why not admit that anyone of the things I listed is COMMON KNOWLEDGE. Are you actually contesting something like the biased investigations of Clinton and Trump?
Where is Hunter's Laptop, John???
Lookie! Christopher Wray and Merrick Garland just called your bluff!
Let me tune in
How so?
Your endless affection for the belief that Trump is a guilty man with no evidence to back it up casts doubts on the rest of your theories that truly cannot be overcome.
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But back to the topic at hand, am I correct that you support the FBI and their partisan methodology?
There is no evidence that the FBI is politically biased. The fact that they investigated a lifelong criminal like Trump doesnt prove squat.
You would have to live under a rock to believe that nonsense.
Show us your proof, without using a nutjob far right source.
Admittedly that is hard since the majority of media sources these days are left leaning to batshit crazy leftist loons.
But you’ll find out what the people think this November. Since the mass media and folks like yourself are either too stupid and/or self absorbed to figure it out.
Then the insults of the folks who are not of like mind can really start in earnest again. Haters gonna be hatin overtime then .....
Some people will refuse to accept anything that doesn't fit into their preconceived notions. And there are plenty of left-leaning news sources that will confirm to those that there is no bias in the FBI. But an honest review of actions undertaken by the FBI can definitely show bias so that even Senators are questioning the bias. But it does no good to provide any links as they will reject anything that doesn't conform to their own bias (which they also refuse to admit).
The last three or so decades have not been the best for the feebies.
They really need a detailed top to bottom review. Hopefully the Olympic gymnasts lawsuit gets that ball rolling.
Haha An op ed from WSJ and letters from Grassley if proof of bias?
Do you deny that there is evidence of bias from some within the FBI and that some actions undertaken by members of the FBI have shown a political bias?
“ Some people will refuse to accept anything that doesn't fit into their preconceived notions.”
lol, that didn’t take long.
It is an agency staffed with people. Tell me one agency in the whole of the country where you could not find people with a bias opinion.
Does not mean the agency itself is a completely bias operation.
But if you all want to get rid of the agency, good luck.
So once again you lump everybody into the same bucket rather than respond to what the fuck was written that you are responding to. Show me where I said I wanted to disband the FBI.
I guess I should ask myself why I bother to try to have a conversation.
Considering what this seed is about and wants, not hard to make connections.
I also did respond to what you said you just chose to ignore that and attack one part.
You are giving me Charles Grassley and a letter to the editor at the WSJ as proof the FBI is biased. Really? The Wall St Journal bit is based on the fact that the FBI took the Steele Dossier info seriously and had a mistake made asking for a FISA order to surveil carter Page. Neither of those things point to political bias.
Did the FBI not trust Trump? I assume not. What sane person would?
Given all that is known about Trump at this point, a rational mind would be inclined to think that Trump has engaged in wrongdoing. What is amazing is that anyone at this point thinks Trump has done no wrong.
It is a fact that Trump has not been found legally guilty of anything because we have yet to have a trial. So if you want to claim that Trump has not been found guilty, you are on the right side of truth.
But that is where it ends.
Outside of formal, legal determinations, it takes a great deal of 'kidding oneself' to consider all that we know of Trump and not be persuaded that Trump has engaged in unethical practices and arguably unconstitutional and/or criminal acts. After all, how can anyone fail to see that attempting to suborn your V.P. to engage in an unconstitutional act by tabling certified results from select states or attempting to coerce the AZ Speaker to submit alternate electors or coerce/threaten GA SoS to 'find 11,000 votes', (and much more) is wrong?
Pretending that Trump has done no wrong and that all of the facts on the table are nothing but a witch hunt on an individual who has done no wrong is beyond naïve — it is irrational.
You are risking belaboring the obvious to no discernible effect on the target listener.
Absolutely true. I have no expectation that this will get through to extant Trump supporters; that, IMO, is well past a lost cause.
Rather, I am illustrating the absurdity of continually defending Trump.
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only a conspiracy theorist would come to that conclusion. You seem to forget that there have been several investigations and none have produced any evidence of this "wrong doing".
That's the first thing you've said that was correct.
That is ridiculous. You have seen Trump in action and listened to his speeches, publicly, obviously, with his Big Lie campaign. You were able to listen to the Raffensperger phone call, you have testimony from Raffensperger, Bowers, Barr, et. al. showing Trump's incessant attempts to steal the election through whatever means he and cohorts could dream up. You have a tweet from Trump during the insurrection where he through Pence under the bus. You have witnesses testifying that Trump was informed of the insurrection, pleaded to stop his supporters by his advisors, family and 'friends' and he refused to act until hours later.
The legal determination of guilty comes from a court of law. Commonsense, normal rational thought is what would determine wrongdoing. To not see the wrongdoing of Trump is not a credible claim; to defend him at every turn is irrational.
It's unbelievable how everyone who supports #45 is twisting themselves into knots how this legal search is all wrong and anything and everything he has done is not as serious as what is being done to him . . . .
Like this gem . . . I don't know if it's satire or real
If you thought the Trump raid was a fiasco, turns out you were right
So they did blunder.
The Justice Department and FBI did not understand what they were doing when they ran 30 federal agents and technicians up the gut of Mar-a-Lago Club and into the living quarters of a former president of the United States.
They didn’t understand what was instantly obvious to longtime ABC and CBS newsman Jeff Greenfield – that they had engineered a “100 Megaton event.”
We know they blundered not from Attorney General Merrick Garland, who has gone into seclusion on this issue.
We know it not from FBI Director Christopher Wray, whose only comments were to decry the death threats against his agents.
'Manure mongers' speak up about the Trump raid
Instead of its leaders taking the podium, the administration schlepped out a couple of anonymous government employees with shovels and wheelbarrows to clean up the mess.
In the days of horse and buggy, they called these guys “manure mongers.”
Newsweek called them “two senior government officials” with “direct knowledge of the FBI’s deliberations.”
Another view: AG Garland owns the FBI raid. Your move, Trump
One is “a senior Justice Department official who is a 30-year veteran of the FBI.”
We must assume both sources were speaking on authorization of their superiors, otherwise U.S. intelligence has a very leaky ship – a problem perhaps more serious than Donald Trump’s classified memos.
Anonymous sources offered critical facts
Their interview with veteran Newsweek reporter William M. Arkin , who has long covered national security issues, established some important facts:
1) This was about paper.
The FBI search warrant was meant to recover classified documents. This was not about something more weighty, such as the Jan. 6 investigation, Newsweek reported .
2) They had an inside source.
The two Justice officials said agents had information from an “FBI confidential human source, one who was able to identify what classified documents former President Trump was still hiding and even the location of those documents,” the news magazine reported.
3) There were no politics.
“Both senior government officials say the raid was scheduled with no political motive, the FBI solely intent on recovering highly classified documents that were illegally removed from the White House,” Newsweek reported.
4) The attorney general didn’t know.
“(Merrick) Garland had no prior knowledge of the date and time of the specific raid, nor was he asked to approve it. ‘I know it’s hard for people to believe,’ says the official, ‘but this was a matter for the U.S. Attorney and the FBI,’ ” according to the magazine’s report.
Garland was briefed regularly on the Records Act investigation but wasn’t alerted when the raid went down, the official told Newsweek. (More on that in an update below.)
5) The FBI director was responsible.
Christopher Wray gave the thumbs-up to conduct the raid, the sources told Newsweek.
6) They did not anticipate the blowback.
“‘It is really the best and the worst of the bureaucracy in action,’ the official says. ‘They wanted to punctuate the fact that this was a routine law enforcement action, stripped of any political overtones, and yet [they] got exactly the opposite.’ ”
Despite much speculation: Here's what we know about the Mar-a-Lago raid
The two sources, while defending the court-ordered search, were critical of federal law enforcement.
The raid of Trump’s home was “deliberately timed to occur when the president was away,” the sources told Newsweek. “FBI decision-makers in Washington and Miami thought that denying the former president a photo opportunity or a platform from which to grandstand (or to attempt to thwart the raid) would lower the profile of the event.”
Instead, the American right erupted.
“What a spectacular backfire,” the Justice official told Newsweek. “... It really is a case of the Bureau misreading the impact.”
2 words for this thinking: 'Massive screw-up'
Some legal minds have questioned why the FBI didn’t simply issue a subpoena to force Trump’s hand on classified information instead of raiding his home.
Could they have obtained the records in less intrusive ways?
As the Newsweek sources make clear they didn’t think law enforcement searching the home of a former president for the first time in U.S. history would be a big deal.
There are words to describe that kind of thinking: “Massive screwup.”
More from Boas: FBI raid on Trump's home could tear America apart
Someone in the U.S. administration should be taking scalps at the FBI and Justice Department for running such a highly sensitive and consequential law-enforcement operation without a heads-up to the attorney general and the president of the United States.
The FBI may have had the court authority to do what it did, but that search was a provocative act in a country on the razor’s edge. American polarization is at a high point in our lifetime.
Henry Kissinger, who served as Richard Nixon’s secretary of state, told a British newspaper recently that today’s America is “infinitely more” divided than the Vietnam era. “The unstated but very real debate in America right now is about whether the basic values of America have been valid.”
Trump was on the ropes. FBI gave him a lifeline
To fail to understand this moment, to return meekly with anonymous sources to admit you screwed up roars incompetence to your fellow Americans and weakness to global adversaries.
“ The Trump raid is now a wall-to-wall political disaster for the United States ,” wrote Wall Street Journal columnist Daniel Henninger, a careful chronicler of American politics.
“Imagine what we would think of the stability of China or Russia if events like this were happening to Xi Jinping or Vladimir Putin. That is how they see us – destabilized and vulnerable. Our opponents are redoing their global risk-reward ratios.”
Many of us on the right were watching better leaders emerge in the Republican Party who could eventually replace Trump as GOP standard-bearer in 2024.
That’s all over, a Republican strategist who advises a Trump rival told Politico this week. The FBI raid has “completely handed (Trump) a lifeline.”
“Unbelievable,” he said. “It put everybody in the wagon for Trump again. It’s just taken the wind out of everybody’s sails.”
As chaotic as the Trump presidency was, a second Trump term would be nothing like the first, wrote Henninger. “Trump II would be a four-year civil war.”
We are now three days and counting past the raid on Mar-a-Lago and we have still not heard from the president, the attorney general and the FBI director.
And each day the question grows louder.
Is anybody in charge here?
UPDATE: Merrick Garland gave a brief statement on Aug. 11 affirming no one is above the law and adding, “I personally approved the decision to seek a search warrant in this matter.”
He defended Justice Department employees against recent criticism. “I will not stand by silently while their integrity is unfairly attacked.”
He took no questions but said he would provide more information “at the appropriate time” and in “the appropriate way.”
For Garland, this was an important step to break the silence and start rebuilding confidence in the Justice Department and the FBI.
But the damage is real.
Phil Boas is an editorial columnist for The Arizona Republic. Email him at phil.boas@arizonarepublic.com .
This article originally appeared on Arizona Republic: FBI raid on Trump's home, in 2 words: 'Massive screwup'
We're fucked.
The "BiG Lie". Which one are you referring to? The one that sparked off the "Meuller Investigation" in 2016 or the other fabrication that sparked off the Partisan Talk Show?
And so far there hasn't been enough evidence to take anybody to court to determine guilt. But don't let that stop your conspiracy theories.
Faux obtuseness and deflection.
Again with the faux obtuseness. The whole point of my post was to distinguish legal guilt from observed wrong-doing. And here you are running back to legal guilt and flat out ignoring all wrong-doing.
The legal determination of guilt comes from a court of law. Commonsense, normal rational thought is what would determine wrong-doing. To not see the wrong-doing of Trump is not a credible claim; to defend him at every turn is irrational.
Closer to your willfull ignorance. Either way, it's wasted time and taxpayer money. Not to mention neither has accomplished a goddamn thing.
And so far there hasn't been enough evidence to take anybody to court to determine guilt. But don't let that stop your conspiracy theories.
Willful ignorance = intentionally ignoring facts. What facts am I intentionally ignoring? I have stated clearly that Trump has not been found guilty in a court of law. So explain yourself.
What conspiracy theory? Be specific. It is not a conspiracy theory, for example, to note the wrong-doing of Trump attempting to suborn his V.P. Pence to table certified election results. It is not conspiracy theory to note that it was wrong for Trump to lie about the election and work up his supporters. If is not conspiracy theory to note that Trump was wrong to try to coerce Speaker Bowers to submit an alternate set of fake electors or to coerce SoS Raffensperger to find votes for him. It is not conspiracy theory to note that Trump publicly, via tweet, throwing Pence under the bus in the middle of the insurrection is wrong.
Conspiracy theory = " belief that some covert but influential organization is responsible for a circumstance or event. "
Buy a vowel.
Defending Trump at every turn is irrational.
Now you are getting it. Now you just have to work on paying attention to details
I see you figured out how to look up definitions. Good Job!!!! Next week we'll work on applying those definitions in coherent sentences.
In response to my challenges you prove that you have nothing.
What challenge?
This has nothing to do with Trump's guilt or innocence
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LOL
I'm sure that John Bolton is very thankful to Director Wray and the FBI for helping keeping him alive.
And we therefore should overlook the FBI going rogue?
Can you defend any of the things the FBI did, which I have listed?
Only in your opinion.
I have no intention of defending any of that since it's at this point BS.
Oh, BTW it's not only Bolton but another high-ranking official that had a murder for hire about to be put on him/her. A million dollars and Bolton was only a measly $300,000.
In the opinion of many.
I have no intention of defending any of that since it's at this point BS.
You have no intention of defending it because you can't, not even Chris Wray can defend it.
Oh, BTW it's not only Bolton but another high-ranking official that had a murder for hire about to be put on him/her. A million dollars and Bolton was only a measly $300,000.
So what?
Probably not anyone that matters.
Refer to my original answer.
The best response would come from Bolton and the other officials that are alive today because of the FBI....Perhaps you could send Bolton an email asking that question.
You mean the left is in control? That will change next year.
Refer to my original answer.
I got it right.
The best response would come from Bolton and the other officials that are alive today because of the FBI....Perhaps you could send Bolton an email asking that question.
The fact that the lower ranks are functioning has nothing to to with the rogue elements running the agency.
Which has nothing to do with my comment.
In your opinion and you know what they say about opinions.
Long-term action with an enemy alien country against top officials in the US and you don't think that the highest levels of the FBI was involved...LMAO
The fact that certain things are done right doesn't cancel out the stuff they have pulled at the top level. Take a look at the last 4 Directors. You can't seem to defend the shit they pulled so you are doing an end around telling us about how good the rank & file are.
$2 Million a month to protect Pompeo too.
US pays $2M a month to protect Pompeo, aide from Iran threat - ABC News (go.com)
If you really want to look at BS by directors you go all the way back to J. Edgar. I have no intention of defending what has not been charged as a crime, let me know when it has.
No end run, I explained it to you and you might want to read the report from the DOJ. If you don't think that the highest level of the FBI was involved with the possible assassination of high-ranking US officials then you certainly can rest easy in your world.
There are no links in your article so what we have is your opinion on what you think transpired. Carry on with the bias speculation.
According to the author, it was only the rank and file of the FBI that new what was happening with the Iran ''murder for hire'' of US officials.
The article mentioned $1 million being offered for another assassination without naming the person and it was fairly easy to figure out who it was and Pompeo was person I figured it was.
what a waste of taxpayer money. he's not on the clock anymore, let him foot the bill...
They were talking about Pompeo and not Trump. Pompeo was never PotUS (or first Lady).
Hey Dennis, did you not notice that your comment at 7.1.11 replied to 7.1.10 and not 5.2.28 ? Context is absolutely essential in communication. Hello? If you want to make a comment regarding 5.2.28 then REPLY to that comment and not to 7.1.10 .
Brilliant ' rebuttal '.
You compared the security of Obama and Clinton (Hillary) who both have lifetime SS as PotUS and First Lady, respectively, to the security of Pompeo. Your comparison was categorically flawed. And your ' rebuttal ' was that you never claimed Pompeo was a PotUS or a first lady.
Confused gibberish.
A pathetic attempt at a smokescreen for failing to recognize that presidents and first ladies (e.g. Obama, Clinton) have SS for life and SsoS (e.g. Pompeo) do not (normally stops about 18 months after leaving office).
Your comparison remains fundamentally wrong and your pathetic smoke screen attempt is not going to help.
That is probably the best Pee-Wee-Herman-esque comment I have seen in a while.
Hint: the "I know you are but what am I" argument structure is a loser.
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From your opinion piece:
And where do you then put the various functions that the FBI now manages?