The politicized & weaponized criminal justice system is now on the ballot.
Link to Quote: Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg says "thorough investigation" led to Trump indictment - CBS News
Yesterday Soros activist and social justice warrior Alvin Bragg presented his indictment of Donald Trump. Or did he? His 34 counts turned out to be an amplification of a single count or as some would call it "overcharging." There was also another crime that had to be linked to what Trump supposedly covered up in order to elevate a misdemeanor to a felony. What that crime was Bragg did not say. That seems a little unfair to the defense which needs to prepare a case. All of this after the statute of limitations has run out.
The first question that comes to mind is what will the judge in the case do with such an odd, unusual presentation? The judge in the case is Judge Juan Merchan. Does the name sound familiar? You may recall that it was Merchan oversaw the five-week trial of the Trump business organization. He also presided over the case against Trump's chief financial official. He also presided over the trial of Steve Bannon. The odds of Trump always drawing this partisan judge are about a billion to one and are a testament to the corruption of the criminal justice system within the United States. The chances of this judge tossing out this case, which should be tossed, are zero! The left has transformed the American justice system into a soviet style system where only certain people are prosecuted and people are prosecuted for opinions and policies.
That brings us to the 2024 election, which has everything to do with this. All of this was well planned by the left. They want Trump to win the GOP nomination and they want him totally demonized when he does. Right now, Trump has received the kind of support he never would have received had he not been maliciously prosecuted. It has come to the point that Ron DeSantis may need to reconsider running this time around. This malicious & political prosecution has put the justice system on the ballot. That may be something of an unintended consequence for the left.
We have come this far and the American people are down to what most likely is their last chance to save themselves.
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"I know a lot of judges that would have been not too pleased to receive an indictment like this and would have said, ‘you know, what the heck is this?’” he continued. “I mean, what are you alleging? And [Manhattan District Attorney Alvin] Bragg just sort of waved it off and said I don't have to really say. But my question is how did the grand jury understand what it was doing? We will see a little better with the bill of particulars. But it really raises concerns as to how well the grand jury understood these key linchpins because this thing has the feeling of like a legal slurpee. It's instantly satisfying but it has no nutritional value, there is really nothing there.”....Jonathan Turley
Turley Blasts Bragg's Case Against Trump (townhall.com)
Thanks, John, for presenting the truth and facts here. People kept hopping on that 'novel theory' like it meant something.
Must have been a Faux 'news' talking point.
Everyone knows Trump is guilty, but his fan club wants to get him off on technicalities. Unfortunately a lot of the media is playing into this warped viewpoint.
The issue here is that the statute of limitations on those crimes has run out. The crime of falsifying business records in the first degree (this is what each of the 34 counts is) is a class E felony, the Statute of Limitations for such felonies in New York is five years. As the crimes occurred between 2015 and 2017, the statute ran out last year.
There had been all sorts of talk about a "novel theory" that Bragg would use to excuse the statute of limitations, I thought it would be tax fraud. However in Bragg's press conference yesterday he explained where he was linking to in order to extend the statute of limitations.
So the "second" crime in this is based on election law. He is trying to use both NY state election law and federal campaign contribution limits as the second crime. The problem is that federal election law supersedes state law and Bragg cannot criminally try based on election law. It is entirely possible that all counts will be dismissed which will only provide Trump with more ammunition for calling this a political witch hunt.
I would hardly think missing the statute of limitations would be considered a technicality.
Trump is likely to be let off on a technicality. This trumped up set of charges for what was probably a bookkeeping error is absurd.
Noting his next court appearance isn't until December, if he decides to run and is campaigning for the presidency, this partisan political posturing prosecution could be construed to be interfering in an election process.
Maybe they caught it as an ABC news talking point: Why Trump indictment might hinge on a 'novel legal theory'
or the NY Times: Mr. Bragg could become the first prosecutor to charge Mr. Trump, ... state election law would be a novel legal theory for any criminal case, ..
Might have seen it on Vox: The dubious legal theory at the heart of the Trump indictment, explained
34 separate bookkeeping errors?
Laugh all you want, but for Bragg to win any of these he will need to also prove Trump's intent. Proving intent is very difficult at the best of times.
What we have is a progressive DA who in his first year in office as reduced 52% of felony charges to misdemeanors and has only achieved a 50% conviction rate. He campaigned on "getting Trump". He has taken 34 counts that would normally be misdemeanors and upgrade them to a class E felony. And is attempting to supersede federal election law to upgrade the charges to a felony charge.
I guess another question to ask is how much money is this costing Manhattan and New York City? Will the juice be worth the squeeze?
Very true. But if he fails to get even one conviction, what are the chances he's investigated himself?
I guess I just don't understand law enough but how in the hell has this gotten this far? Switching misdemeanors to felonies because nasty tweeting orange man bad? NDA's and subsequent payments aren't illegal. No campaign funds were used. Cohen admitted Trump knew nothing of the payments prior to them being made. And bookkeeping errors? This is going to be interesting. I don't understand why Braggs' peers aren't all over this............unless they don't like the guy and want to see egg on his face as he is thrown under the bus.
Stormy Daniels now has to pay trump and additional 120K on top of the cool 500K + she has been ordered to pay, Bragg should have charged trump with prostitution at this point. he has made 500K on his 130,000 dollar investment in a hooker, if you will excuse the pun.
It's my understanding that these are raised to felonies on the premise these "bookkeeping errors" were done to conceal other crimes. Now, most of the non-biased reporting on this remain doubtful of the prosecution's case but they also expect we don't know the entire case.
Cohen was convicted of illegal campaign violations. It applies. The job David Pecker was doing at the National Inquirer, the "catch and kill" scheme, also somehow applies.
I'm assuming the plan is to tie all this together as a conspiracy of criminal intent and fraud. But that will be a high hill to climb.
This will be biggest case in modern history IF it gets that far. Bragg better have ALL his ducks lined up.
EDIT: The LA Times makes it a little clearer: The payments...didn't constitute crimes on their own... What did were Trump's alleged efforts to cover up the scheme, including by falsifying company records to disguise the payments as legal fees...
Three words.
Trump Derangement Syndrome.
TDS for short .....
And they have to prove intent. Being an Accountant, I know bookkeeping errors happen all the time. There is no crime for making a mistake.
34 bookkeeping errors? lol. Someone needs to get fired.
34 errors in a million dollar company with countless transactions to record is nothing. Your ignorance is showing.
Give us a break for god's sake. You've made your laughable point.
Nervous laugh???
Do you think that each of these 34 fraudulent entries was a 'bookkeeping error'?
The day any of you made me nervous I would have to kill myself.
That was never my claim. As I'm not a bookkeeper and I do not have access to all the books or the person(s) who kept them I cannot say. All I did say was that according to the indictment all those entries happened more than five years ago so the Statute of Limitations does apply.
Doing a Biden are you? The angry old man shtick doesn’t work. Too funny.
I have done many audits. Bookkeeping/accounting errors are common. Bragg has to prove intent which is extremely difficult to do.
Some of the ignorance displayed here is remarkable.
I agree if you believe that 34 fraudulent entries related to the same subject were bookkeeping errors.
Didn't say it was any of "us". It's Trump that makes you nervous. Evident every day for the last 7 years.
Not sure I see your logic. Why would Trump make JR nervous? Unless JR thinks Trump could win the general election, there is nothing but good news for the Ds if Trump secures the GOP nomination (or spoils it). If anything, a D should be nervous if Trump's support wanes and a nominee emerges who can beat the D nominee.
You'll have to ask him the reason he has inundated the site with story after story after story for the last 7+ years trying to, as you also do most of the time, convince people who won't be convinced NOR take his point of view. He is the ringmaster in the Never Trump Circus.
And yes, he has made it quite evident that that is what makes him nervous. Trump winning not just the nomination but the office. He depicts Trump every day of not being fit for office........and even though he didn't die in '17-'20 and was not affected negatively in that period, he just can't stand the thought due to the hive think among many Democrats.
The same Bookkeeping errors are made over and over again because people don’t know that it is an error until caught by an audit or some other means. Very common.
It hasn’t even been proven that the alleged transaction errors are even errors. You are way ahead of yourself as usual.
I am done educating you.
Ya! Endless defense of the indefensible.
Like he doesn't have ALL his ducks lined up.
That's absurd.
Can't wait to catch some episodes of the Late Show with Stephen when I go to my dad's tomorrow for dinner!!!!!!!!!!
Especially this one. . .
Yes indeed, some of the ignorance displayed here is remarkable!
You think I am inundating the site with seeds about Trump?? You should pay attention to what is going on before you make claims. I rarely seed articles about Trump. Mostly I respond to fact-confused / logic-confused comments on articles seeded by others.
What is the 'that' which makes him nervous? You vaguely refer to 'that' yet there is nothing in your prior statement that indicates a cause for being nervous.
Why would a person who is going to vote D for PotUS be nervous about Trump potentially securing the GOP nomination or potentially spoiling it for another GOP nominee?
What is your logical reasoning here?
Unless your initials are JR, where did I say that?
I know that and didn't say you do/did. And here
comes the kicker................
That is what I was referring to. The arrogance displayed and the badgering that takes place when you "respond" to what YOU define as confused. You will never change some minds and especially the ones here.
The fact that Trump could pull it out. Dems don't have the pandemic induced mail in and absentee voting they enjoyed so much in 2020. Every lazy ass that didn't really feel like voting got a chance to from their couch while watching Dr. Phil.
Because there is always the possibility that he WON'T spoil it for another GOP nominee. Many are nervous about that possibility and going forward into the White House.
I won't be voting the Trump ticket but the continued badgering by the press and others are EXACTLY what got him the office in 2016. You would do well to find another cause like global warming or some other such topic to take the limelight off of Trump on the site.
Yeah, but probably not for federal campaign finance violations, and particularly not for cases in which the Federal Elections Commission has investigated the matter and then declined to pursue charges.
I quoted you and put it in blue. How could you miss it? Note "as you also do most of the time".
You think the Ds are worried that Trump could win in the general election? I think they are chomping at the bit for Trump to be the nominee.
There is always the possibility, but when a possibility is very low most people do not get nervous. For example, most people are not nervous that the planet might be hit by an asteroid but that is indeed a possibility.
Trump got in office because he seemed to many that he was a non-politician who was going to force clean up government, take hard-ass, tough stands, promised red-meat for his base, and because he ran against a weak candidate (Hillary).
Just look around at the people standing up for Trump. As long as we have people running interference, denying reality, etc. I will challenge their comments. If people start focusing on AGW, my comments would follow suit.
And as for confused comments, that is the reality. When people make overtly stupid comments they should expect to be challenged. When someone asks "what has Trump done wrong?" or "show me the crimes Trump has committed" or "it is a matter of interpretation whether Trump stated the USA electoral system was rigged and that Biden was illegitimate" they should expect a harsh rebuke. And if that is too much to handle, they probably are not suited for a public discussion forum.
I saw it and read it. You failed to understand that all I was alluding to you was your constant "trying to convince" commentary that you have admitted to
I can only go by what you wrote and your English does not correlate with your explanation.
And I have not admitted to any "trying to convince" commentary. What I stated is that I challenge nonsense. I have no expectation that individuals who buy the challenged nonsense will change their minds. There is no reasoning with irrational thinking. Anyone who cannot acknowledge that Trump has engaged in wrongdoing, for example, is so stuck in their bubble that they are basically unreachable.
Now, as another example, do you believe (you have not weighed in on this) that Biden is using the state of NY to prosecute Trump ... akin to the acts of dictators like Hitler and Stalin (see @3.1)?
To coin a phrase "It ain't over till it's over.".
Still, the gop said voters should decide if Trump should be removed. They did and he was. And, that ain't exactly nothing...
Biden whooped Trump's ass, but Trump has never and will never ever beat Joe!
A fine example of meaningless statistics.
This reminded me of one stint I served as a grand juror. There was a woman who came every day and sat quietly for over a week - never asked a question or raised her hand to vote. It was only in the 3rd week that we found out she wasn't a US citizen and didn't understand English.
I'm pretty sure that NY gives non-citizens the right to vote in local elections. Therefore, they have been issued a voter ID card as well as a DL they may have already gotten. These are the pools from which juries are selected.
Turley's correct in saying that Bragg's "case" against Trump has no nutritional value.
Yeah, your 'pretty sure' allegations would hold up in a court of law.
lol
And that would explain why party affiliation is so powerful in the city & state of New York. If you notice the left dominates the primaries. All they have to do is get an AOC the nomination. Very few people vote in primaries.
They were even hoping for violence yesterday.
Please note that the only signs of violence came from those pounding on the car doors of Marjory Taylor Green, who had to be whisked away.
What was she doing there in the first place?
Enjoying a coveted New York City street hot dog with brown mustard, sauerkraut, and sweet-onion relish.
Damn that sounds good.................
Give me a Lafayette coney dog any day.
Gotta have the snap ....
Good chili as well.
Yep and some of the best Greek food you can get in the states downtown there. Still ..
Citizens, legal immigrants/residents, and even illegal aliens are allowed to freely travel throughout the USA. Why would any reasonable person want to remove that right from MTG?
Apparently annoying you.
WTF? That's stupid.
How am I trying to remove any of the skank hos rights by asking a question?
Again, how stupid.
Skank hos like her don't annoy me dear.
Seems she does.
It's not that skank ho that annoys me
Well everywhere you go there you are.
Why do you feel a need to know why she was there?
It’s not like MTG is her Representative.
Seems like she was trying too blame MTG for the the violence because she was there. Nothing like a little victim blaming.
That's blaming the victim.
What do you do with a legless individual trying to get up off the ground with crutches?
Scold him for falling down?
Mexican hot dogs are pretty good too.
Totally, completely idiotic.
We dispensed of the queen skank ho in 2016.
Bill and the hotel room took the brunt of the skanky ho’s damage that night.
Mexican hot dog?
A hot dog wrapped in bacon in a Mexican bolillo bread roll topped with pico de Gallo, sour cream, avocado, cilantro and whatever else one can think to top them with. Delicious.
Yum
Yep. I prefer mine without the jalapenos though.
I hear ya brother but I love the heat. Not the crazy hot like Ghost or Carolina Reaper but jalapeño’s are right in my wheelhouse.
What about habaneros or chiltepines?
Depends on how they are treated.
When raw, generally a no go on Habs.
I hear ya. My late son was a classically trained professional chef and he told me the only way to serve habaneros on any dish was to fry and sear them lightly in a frying pan first.
Late? Sorry to hear that brother.
A parent should never outlive a child.
Condolences
Crazed loons protesting on both sides.
We gotta find a way to get past the crazies on both sides or it’s going to get real sporty in this country soon.
LOL. The two words that are ruining America.
There is no other side of Donald Trump and his braindead followers that is as bad as he is.
Stop saying "both sides" and maybe we can talk.
Its like if your right arm is broken and your left arm has a small bruise. Are you going to get treatment for both of them equally ? Of course not.
If you can’t see that the extremes of both sides are a problem, then we don’t have anything to talk about.
Yeah, we don’t.
I agree the extremes of both sides are a problem.
90% trumpism and 10% "antifa".
As is often the case when it comes to Trump with you.
I rest my case.
You have no case.
No jury on earth would find your opinion on Trump credible. Except of course a jury full of more TDS ridden Bidenettes .....
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Yes they were. Maybe that's why Hochul and Adams made sure that they deployed their armed troops to Trump Tower and the court house (who were *armed and ready*) for those unarmed MAGA cap-wearers and US flag wavers!
Unlike the way they let the NYPD be humiliated in 2020.
MTG "whisked" herself away a long time ago.
Her insanity only appeals to the insane.
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Here's a couple of images for you to compare, Vic...
You are assuming that Biden is behind this.
NYer's on the whole are not big fans of Trump. Not a shocker. They were not big fans of his dad either.
You need many more panels to fit all the leftist in there: Mao, Ceausescu, Castro, Che, Pol Pot, etc, etc
You meant these.
He's a global laughing stock, NY is no different. They all look down on him there.
Of course, President Biden is NOT BEHIND THIS.
Evidently not. You have 2 DA's who ran on "getting Trump" and numerous office holders who ran against him in one way or another. I was just hoping that New Yorkers had a sense of what justice means or at least some sense of fair play.
Those were the days when Roy would simply say "give me his name" and the next thing you'd know Alvin Bragg would be implicated in all sorts of things. Bragg doesn't know how lucky he is!
I have little time for pictures. You look at them.
Roy Cohn died alone, deserted by his rich powerful friend, while lying in his own shit!
Whose shit did you expect him to lie in while dying?
Can't you be honest about anything?
Like him or not, Cohn was a genius.
Perhaps you best stick to abusing the special rights management has bestowed on you.
Odd comment from someone who thinks Trump was ever fit to lead this country.
His record as President indicates that he was MORE than fit!
It is a mistake to disregard character and integrity when considering the president of the USA. Trump is in record low territory on both of those counts.
There are plenty of GOP members who could effect the same basic policies as Trump since he followed core GOP policy.
To deem Trump fit to be PotUS given all we now know (especially given what he proved to the world about his character and integrity in his Big Lie campaign) is irresponsible, irrational and unpatriotic.
So was Bill Clinton and back then democrats said we should be able to separate presidential performance from personal conduct. I guess Republicans took the advice.
At any rate none of that justifies a bogus case against a former President.
Go ahead, try and take on JR's argument. Here's a shovel.
There is no comparing Bill Clinton with Trump. Good grief, Vic, I am not comparing infidelity of Clinton and Trump, nor am I comparing basic lies (e.g. I did not have sex with her) — I am talking about fundamental character and integrity in the execution of the office (e.g. suborning Pence to commit an unconstitutional act to help Trump literally steal an election). Bill Clinton did not do anything even remotely close to Trump's Big Lie campaign. Need I provide my list yet again?
Just amazing that some people 'claim' to not be able to distinguish the abysmal character and integrity of Trump from other PotUS'.
As I have stated, I see the New York case to be weak (and a decent argument can be made that it is driven by partisanship) and it is NOT the case I would want to see. What I want to see is Trump held accountable for his actions while PotUS because that is how his horrible precedent is mitigated. That would be the State of GA and, especially, the DoJ.
How many times must I write this before it registers with you?
All they can do at this point is flounder and pout.
Did you read what he said?
Here:
As I have stated, I see the New York case to be weak (and a decent argument can be made that it is driven by partisanship) and it is NOT the case I would want to see.
On the other hand, you are giddy over it. You don't care about what is being done to the rule of law or to the country. Think of the countries that were once democracies and then one day turned into something else.
And they are all far right wing fascists.
My father was a friend of far-right Kansas Governor Sam Brownback.
He introduced us once and I refused to shake Brownback's hand (I was armed at the time).
I looked at his hand, shook my head NO and walked away. Dad was embarrassed.
We talked about it later and dad had no idea about Brownstain's fascist anti education policies.
Dad was always a republican but was never that far right wing.
He had just never done the research into his friend's political insanity.
I know the definition of the word. Obviously you don't.
Could it be that you are in denial?
Could it be that you are ashamed of being a fascist yourself?
Just Google the word for the definition.
Seems everybody here but you knows you are one.
P.S. the word you were attempting to use is spelled "it's"
Something Trump has never understood or practiced.
Nope but thx for playing
Tell us you can't disprove anything inthe article without telling us.
I think the memes signify that very fact.
As they always do.
Your sentence structure and word choices are that of a elementary school kid.
Interesting how far right wingers have trouble spelling.
So you CAN'T disprove anything. Instead just want to run off at the mouth like a toddler trying to be part of an adult conversation.
Educated folk know that proving a negative is impossible.
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More like raise your hand if you should have been indicted!
Also, leftists shouldn't count Brandon's chickens before they hatch. Garland can only slow walk the Hunter investigation for so long- that has direct ties to Brandon. Then there is that pesky special prosecutor investigating Brandon's classified document mishandling (some of which are from when he was a Senator!).
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This coming from someone who constantly uses the word fascist to describe those he doesn't like......
Having no idea what the word means.
I use the word fascist to describe fascists.
If you don't like the word; don't be one.
No, you use it to describe anyone you don't like. You have never proven your accusations of those you use it against.
"If you don't like the word; don't be one"
Doesn't matter if I "like" the word or not. Using it when the user has no idea what it means is disingenuous and can be looked at as being ignorant.
You are expecting way too much sophistication.
Sophomoric is the name of that game.
Remnants of the NV shuffle.
Dont fear Vic. Lindsey Graham was on tv (Fox) last night and crying as he begged people to send Trump (and him) their last 10 dollars. Help is on the way.
Send your donation to lindseygraham.com
He can hit Stormy Daniels up for the $7 million she owes him.
She keeps opening her mouth about Trump; I am sure it will be far more than 7 million soon.
How so?
Ms. Lindsey was crying and begging for money for the former 'president' again? He was doing that a couple of days ago.
I guess he has nothing better to do.
I'm sure whatever they get, Biden will get twice as much.
LOL. Do you know who Joseph diGenova is?
Do you see the fool on the far right of this photo, at the press conference when Trumps nutcase lawyers promoted their insane "stolen election" theories and Rudy ended up with brown crap dripping down the side of his face? That guy on the right is Joseph diGenova. He is a far right conspiracy nut whose credibility is zero.
I'm pretty sure I didn't stutter when I copied his name. Let me know when you can disprove the article.
And yet, doesn't the grand jury that saw the evidence and indicted Trump for 37 felony counts sort of disprove the article?
I dont give a fuck about the Just News article. It is a far right rag, proven by the fact that it quotes a conspiracy clown like diGenova. And you chose to use his quote without even knowing who he is. LOL.
Let me know when you can disprove the article.
So you CAN'T disprove it. You just want to cry about the source.
That's usually the case around these parts with "some".
I dont read trash like Just The News. Why dont you summarize the article for us?
A grand jury doesn't hear a defense making it relatively easy to convince them to indict in most cases. That's why there is the saying that a prosecutor could persuade a grand jury to “indict a ham sandwich.”
Sounds like a you problem.
Afraid you will read something you won't like?
And it's over and over and over again.
The Grand Jury only sees what the prosecutor wants them to see. When it gets destroyed at trial, that's when we know the prosecutor put together a shit show.
Perhaps you don't know that a Grand Jury is told (and sees) only what the prosecutor allows them to see and know. A Grand Juror's job is very difficult, because s/he has to make decisions based upon biased, often incomplete, evidence.
A Grand Jury in TDS driven NY? I am surprised Bragg could only stack that many. Why not 100, 1000, 10000, 20000? The number doesn't matter- all are from the same BS misdemeanor charge (whose statute of limitations ran out 2 years ago); and tying it to a federal campaign law (Which the FEC and DOJ both declined to prosecute). Bat shit crazy in legal terms; which is why Trump will be found guilty on all accounts- NY can't lose it's Democrat bastion of stupidity #1 ranking. NYer's will teach Chicago and every city in California they are the stupidest ones around!
Uh huh. I am pretty sure if the evidence supports a conviction he will be convicted, and if not he will not. The perpetual victim hood of you guys is pathetic.
Im in the camp of waiting and seeing what happens. Frankly he needs to be worried about Georgia and the documents deal.
He is and that's what so satisfying about all this. Worried about Georgia and the documents that is. And don't forget 1/6.
This is going to be a slap on the wrist in the scheme of things.
There’s still so much we don’t know because the indictments are so vague. All the allegations are in the style of “Trump caused X to happen on such and such date in violation of Statute Y.” There’s nothing unusual about that; it’s just not very informative. None of it is evidence.
So it will be interesting to see how they plan to prosecute a conspiracy to commit a federal crime, when the federal agency responsible for enforcing that law already investigated the matter and declined to prosecute.
I’m also curious to see how any of this could be Trump’s doing at a time when he was busy being president and his kids were running the company.
There will be lots of leaks, I am sure - probably all bogus. We likely won’t know much more for a long time, and that’s assuming this even makes it to trial.
Lots of this
Let’s be real, Trump was always still running his businesses, the presidency was just another source of income. And I would say watching 8 hours of TV and tweeting all day is “being busy”.
I have no knowledge of that. The prosecution will have to prove it.
He actually donated all of his paychecks, I think.
lol oh it wasn't the paychecks. It was hosting all the events and shit at his properties.
Yawn, holding politicians accountable is not “weaponizing” or “politicizing” the justice department. It is holding them to the same standards as everyone else. Frankly I wish we would throw more politicians in prison when they break the same laws that would see any regular citizen locked up.