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Change has come to America

  

Category:  Op/Ed

By:  vic-eldred  •  last year  •  107 comments

Change has come to America
It's been a long time coming, but tonight, because of what we did on this day, in this election, at this defining moment, change has come to America.

Link to Quote: https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/full-transcript-sen-barack-obamas-victory-speech/story?id=6181477


How much chaos and violence will the citizens of Chicago tolerate?

In Chicago savagery and chaos have arrived and it has been fostered by left wing ideologues. After a weekend of violence and looting by mobs of teenagers, the new Chicago mayor tried to make excuses for it. The radical progressive mayor-elect said: 

It “is not constructive to demonize youth who have otherwise been starved of opportunities in their own communities,”

https://news.yahoo.com/not-constructive-demonize-incoming-chicago-123610044.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall


Johnson was a defund the police advocate and despite all that Chicago has gone through, the left managed to get him elected. This past weekend the city's famous loop district saw unrestrained random violence and looting, completely unanswered by local law enforcement. Johnson made an absurd claim on local news shows that the kids rioted to eat. The fact is that Johnson is a radical racist and he wants to allow it as a form of reparations. All of this was unimaginable 50 years ago. Three people were shot and many beaten. There were a few arrests but no federal involvement.

"Officers made 15 arrests during Saturday’s mayhem, though Hopkins said there could have been “dozens more” if not for the “hostility and violence” that confronted officers who attempted to move into the crowd. That included numerous reports of officers being punched, kicked and pelted with bottles and other objects."

https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/chicago-alderman-blast-police-for-flat-footed-response-to-violent-weekend-gatherings/3121596/



It was on November 4th 2008 that Barack Obama gave his famous victory speech in Chicago:




And change has come to America. It is not progress. It is the evil ideology that has been taught at American universities for the past 60 years as America slept. Thus, it is only fitting that the DNC has selected the city of Chicago to hold it's 2024 election convention




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Vic Eldred
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1  author  Vic Eldred    last year


All that is missing is the meme declaring that Chicago is the safest city in America.

 
 
 
Snuffy
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1.1  Snuffy  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    last year

I'm sure one of the Meme Masters will some come in to grace us with one...

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.2  devangelical  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    last year

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Tessylo
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1.2.1  Tessylo  replied to  devangelical @1.2    last year

Liberal outrage du jour

lol

what is it that we have our panties up in a wad about today?

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.2.2  devangelical  replied to  Tessylo @1.2.1    last year

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JohnRussell
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change has come to America.

yep.

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Some of them are striving so hard to be "woke". 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @2    last year

There it is!

The ridiculous meme.

The left caused all this crime and violence and you can't talk it away.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.1.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1    last year

There are almost three million people in Chicago. I dont object to discussing what happened Friday and saturday night, but you, as a fanatic, are determined to say things like "In Chicago savagery and chaos have arrived " as if this sort of "wilding" is a constant occurrence. Every week tens of thousands of people visit Chicago from elsewhere. Almost none of them report seeing "savages".  You just dont know how to talk about things in a reasonable way. 

I have always said that social dysfunction among inner city blacks is a multifaceted problem. Part of it stems from 400 years of racism which continues to this minute. Part of it stems from lax disciplinary attitudes within the black community itself. A lot of these "kids" are alienated from mainstream society. The current sad state of affairs we have in this country with the constant lying, celebrity obsession, and criminal ex-presidents is not helping a damn thing. 

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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2.1.2  Ozzwald  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1    last year
The left caused all this crime and violence and you can't talk it away.

All U.S. extremist mass killings in 2022 linked to far righ t

"Right-wing extremists committed every ideologically driven mass killing identified in the U.S. in 2022, with an "unusually high" proportion perpetrated by white supremacists, according to a new report published Thursday."

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.1.3  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.1    last year

Don't worry about me John.

Take it from those who have to live there. They are moving out:






PS: The crime problem has exacerbated becauce progressives want to empty the jails and defund police.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.1.5  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Ozzwald @2.1.2    last year

The topic is crime & violence in the big cities.

You are off topic

 
 
 
Jasper2529
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2.1.6  Jasper2529  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.1    last year
Part of it stems from 400 years of racism which continues to this minute. Part of it stems from lax disciplinary attitudes within the black community itself. A lot of these "kids" are alienated from mainstream society.

Four hundred years of racism? Please stop parroting the atrocious ignorance of Sheila Jackson Lee. The USA isn't even 300 years old!

One thing you failed to mention was the decline ... almost absence ... of a nuclear family - a two parent home.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.1.7  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.3    last year

Chicago grew slightly in population between 2010 and 2020 according the US Census. Youve been saying that Chicago is a hellhole for years. Lets just say you get carried away with yourself. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.1.8  JohnRussell  replied to  Jasper2529 @2.1.6    last year

By the mid 1600's race based slavery was instituted in Virginia.  Only idiots do not consider the colonial era to be part of AMERICAN history. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.1.9  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.7    last year
Chicago grew slightly in population between 2010 and 2020 according the US Census.

Ya but Trump is gone now.


 Youve been saying that Chicago is a hellhole for years. 

And I think that just about the entire universe would agree with me.


Lets just say you get carried away with yourself. 

Lets just say that I'm not the topic.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.1.10  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.9    last year
And I think that just about the entire universe would agree with me.

Youi live in a universe of people that dont know what they are talking about. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.1.11  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.10    last year

They don't.. but someone who thought Biden was shaking hands with someone 40 feet away does?

 
 
 
Jasper2529
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2.1.12  Jasper2529  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.8    last year
Only idiots do not consider the colonial era to be part of AMERICAN history. 

I won't stoop down to your pathetic name-calling level. All I will say, again, is that the USA didn't exist 400 years ago ... and you cannot prove that it did.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.1.13  JohnRussell  replied to  Jasper2529 @2.1.12    last year

my comment stands. 

 
 
 
Jasper2529
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2.1.14  Jasper2529  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.13    last year

Suit yourself. If you want to believe that the USA has existed for 400 years, that's on you.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.1.15  JohnRussell  replied to  Jasper2529 @2.1.14    last year

Have it your way Jasper. America hasnt been racist for 400 years. Its been racist for "only" 247 years. Feel better now? 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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2.1.16  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.8    last year
y the mid 1600's race based slavery was instituted in Virginia. 

The "kids" involved in this were almost all probably born after 2000.  They are probably  six to  eight generations removed from slavery.. 

Moreover, given the black immigration to Chicago pretty much ended about 60 years ago and reverse migration became dominate as black people starting fleeing to red states in the south, they are almost certainly are descendants of people who've been in Chicago for generations.  They are created by the culture of Chicago, not 17th century Virginia. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.1.17  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @2.1.16    last year

Serious people understand the toll that hundreds of years of racism has on a people. It is not an excuse, but it is a not inconsiderable part of the explanation. 

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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2.1.18  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Ozzwald @2.1.2    last year
every ideologically driven mass killing identified in the U.S. in 2022,

The critical caveat is ideological driven as most mass killings aren't.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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2.1.19  Nerm_L  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.1    last year
There are almost three million people in Chicago. I dont object to discussing what happened Friday and saturday night, but you, as a fanatic, are determined to say things like "In Chicago savagery and chaos have arrived " as if this sort of "wilding" is a constant occurrence. Every week tens of thousands of people visit Chicago from elsewhere. Almost none of them report seeing "savages".  You just dont know how to talk about things in a reasonable way. 

Mob violence happens more frequently than storming the Capitol.  We're focusing a lot more attention on rare events and ignoring more common events.  The reality is that what happened in Chicago is actually worse because people on the streets were attacked.  The mob violence in Chicago has much more in common with terrorism than did storming the Capitol.

I have always said that social dysfunction among inner city blacks is a multifaceted problem. Part of it stems from 400 years of racism which continues to this minute. Part of it stems from lax disciplinary attitudes within the black community itself. A lot of these "kids" are alienated from mainstream society. The current sad state of affairs we have in this country with the constant lying, celebrity obsession, and criminal ex-presidents is not helping a damn thing. 

You'd think that even in a segregated community, people would learn to live with each other.  Chicago has its own Chinatown which had its roots in being a segregated community.  Now its a tourist destination.

Why does the blathering about racism only apply to Blacks?  Blacks weren't the only people in the US that have experienced racism.  Asians and Jews, in particular, experienced racism and were forced into segregated communities.  Yet, they seem to be able to live with each other and have built stable communities.  American Indians experienced racism, almost to the point of genocidal extinction.  Yet, they seem to be able to live with each other and have built stable communities.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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2.1.20  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.17    last year
Serious people understand the toll that hundreds of years of racism has on a people. It is not an excuse, but it is a not inconsiderable part of the explanation. 

Asian Americans should let their Black brothers in on their secrets to success.

 
 
 
pat wilson
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2.1.21  pat wilson  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.3    last year
Take it from those who have to live there.

My cousins have lived there for 40 years and raised their child there. They love Chicago.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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2.1.22  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.15    last year

Is there still substantial racism in the very blue Cook County?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.1.23  JohnRussell  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @2.1.22    last year

why do you ask pointless questions? do you amuse yourself?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.1.24  JohnRussell  replied to  Nerm_L @2.1.19    last year
Chicago has its own Chinatown which had its roots in being a segregated community.  Now its a tourist destination.

Chinatown has been a tourist destination for all of my life, and I'm not young anymore. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.1.25  JohnRussell  replied to  Nerm_L @2.1.19    last year

Had America stopped racism at the end of the Civil War we would be in a much different place today. But America doubled down on racism for the next hundred plus years. Sooner or later karma gonna get you. 

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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2.1.26  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.23    last year

NT has taught me that Dems aren't racists, so it surprises me that Chicago still has substantial racism, nothing amusing about that.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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2.1.27  Nerm_L  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.24    last year
Chinatown has been a tourist destination for all of my life, and I'm not young anymore.

How did that happen?  Chinatown wouldn't be Chinatown if it weren't segregated.  Somehow Chinatown turned segregation into an advantage.  And there weren't any government sponsors to make that happen; the government actually encouraged segregation.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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2.1.28  Nerm_L  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.25    last year
Had America stopped racism at the end of the Civil War we would be in a much different place today. But America doubled down on racism for the next hundred plus years. Sooner or later karma gonna get you. 

Should the government have forced the freed slaves onto a reservation?  There were attempts to integrate the Indians into the general population.  But the reality is that forcing Indians onto reservations seems to have worked to their advantage in the end.  Indian communities are stable and they seem able to live with each other.  And the stability of the communities seems to facilitate any government assistance and support.

Black people were forced into segregated communities just like other minorities.  So, why the different outcomes?

 
 
 
JBB
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2.1.29  JBB  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @2.1.26    last year

Derp! Chicago is not 100% Democratic...

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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2.1.30  Nerm_L  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.25    last year
Had America stopped racism at the end of the Civil War we would be in a much different place today. But America doubled down on racism for the next hundred plus years. Sooner or later karma gonna get you. 

You know, within the white population there is classism which works the same way as racism.  There are many more class distinctions within the white population than there are races.  And the classes within the white population are often forced into segregated communities, too.  Yet the various classes within the white population were able to live with each other and establish stable communities.  Nowadays that seems to be falling apart.

Have you considered that the white population is becoming more like the Black population?  

 
 
 
cjcold
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2.1.31  cjcold  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1    last year
The left caused all this crime and violence

Chicago has always been a city steeped in violence. Remember Al Capone?

Blaming it all on democrats is highly disingenuous.

It is the far right that has a history of violence.

 
 
 
charger 383
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2.1.32  charger 383  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.25    last year

      "Had America stopped racism at the end of the Civil War "

How would they have done that?

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.1.33  Tessylo  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.8    last year

Well, there you have it.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.1.34  Tessylo  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.10    last year

I disagree - talk about over over over over over exaggerating jrSmiley_80_smiley_image.gif just about the entire universe??!!  again jrSmiley_80_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.1.35  Tessylo  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.13    last year

I agree with that comment wholeheartedly.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.1.36  Tessylo  replied to  pat wilson @2.1.21    last year

Chicago is the best.  I've been there many times.  Great vacation destination and can't wait to get back again some day.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.1.37  Tessylo  replied to  pat wilson @2.1.21    last year

Note that being said by someone who doesn't live there.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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2.1.40  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  charger 383 @2.1.32    last year

Maybe if this song had been written one hundred years earlier.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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2.1.42  Greg Jones  replied to  Sean Treacy @2.1.16    last year

Most blacks are doing fine nowadays John...the succed in all fields and all levels of society.

Although individual and small group racism still exists and always will, slavery does not.

The sorry and long discredited theory that racism is the driving force behind this youth violence just doesn't wash.

Being a perpetual race hustler is not something to be proud about....

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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2.1.43  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JBB @2.1.29    last year

The city government is historically blue for decades and Biden won by 82% there - derp!

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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2.1.44  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.25    last year
"But America doubled down on racism for the next hundred plus years".

"That would be the democrat party

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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2.1.47  Ozzwald  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.5    last year

You are off topic

It is on topic based on your own statement which I refuted.  I'm sorry if you feel the facts are off topic to your claims.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
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2.1.48  Jasper2529  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.39    last year

Our Bicentennial celebrations in 1975 and 1976 honored the Declaration of Independence and Revolutionary War.

It wasn't until 1789 that the required 9 of the 13 colonies ratified the official US Constitution, designating it "the law of the land" that superseded the Articles of Confederation, and thereby officially created The United States of America as a constitutional republic.

No matter which year one uses, the USA is definitely not 400 years old.

 
 
 
pat wilson
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2.1.50  pat wilson  replied to  Greg Jones @2.1.42    last year
Most blacks are doing fine nowadays John...the succed in all fields and all levels of society.

And yet last week you claimed the blacks traditionally voted for pols who have no values or morals.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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2.1.51  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1    last year

"The left caused all this crime and violence and you can't talk it away."

But damned if they won't try anyway!

Chicago may actually have elected somebody worse that Lori Lightfoot! God help them.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.1.53  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @2.1.51    last year
Chicago may actually have elected somebody worse that Lori Lightfoot!

That is really interesting. We need to know more about how that happened.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.1.54  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Ozzwald @2.1.47    last year

You forget that the author determines topic. Mass shootings are off topic. The topic here is big city crime which was caused by woke politicians.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.1.55  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  cjcold @2.1.31    last year
It is the far right that has a history of violence.

No, it has been the left. Now they are in control. 

So how are things behind the screen?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.1.56  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  pat wilson @2.1.21    last year

I'll be sure to tell those who have lost loved ones or were among the assaulted last weekend.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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2.1.57  Ozzwald  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.54    last year
You forget that the author determines topic.

Then the author should watch what he says.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.1.58  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Ozzwald @2.1.57    last year
Then the author should watch what he says.

Why?  Will the FBI get me?

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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2.1.59  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.58    last year

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devangelical
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2.1.60  devangelical  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @2.1.59    last year

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Ozzwald
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2.1.61  Ozzwald  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.58    last year

Why?  Will the FBI get me?

I don't know.  Are you within their jurisdiction?

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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2.2  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JohnRussell @2    last year

That dude has a typo, it should read, "WOKE UP WHITE MAN"

 
 
 
cjcold
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2.2.1  cjcold  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @2.2    last year

"Woke" means acknowledging social inequalities throughout history.

So glad that I am educated enough to be woke.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.2.2  Tessylo  replied to  cjcold @2.2.1    last year

Tells you a lot about folks who frown on decency and tolerance and equality.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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2.2.3  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  cjcold @2.2.1    last year
"Woke" means acknowledging social inequalities throughout history.

Is that US centric or worldwide inequalities?  I see worldwide inequalities throughout history.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
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3  Jasper2529    last year

Here's one violent example from that *peaceful protest* weekend in Chicago ...

Mob randomly attacks couple walking in Chicago: They said they were 'going to kill us'

"Ashley" and "DJ" told " America Reports " on Tuesday that they had been looking for a spot to get food Saturday night 

The mob pushed Ashley to the ground and immediately turned on DJ to beat him. They robbed the couple, stealing their shoes, phones, a pair of glasses, an Apple Watch and a hat. Video of the attack during the violent teen takeover of the city went viral.

Ashley said she saw police drive past them as she was getting up from the ground after the  attack

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Jasper2529 @3    last year

I only have one question for Ashley:

Who did you vote for?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.2  JohnRussell  replied to  Jasper2529 @3    last year
 the violent teen takeover of the city 

I just spit up my coffee.  Conservatives are hysterical. 

 
 
 
Ronin2
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3.2.1  Ronin2  replied to  JohnRussell @3.2    last year

When it comes to hysteria no one tops you.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.2.2  JohnRussell  replied to  Ronin2 @3.2.1    last year

You're hysterical.jrSmiley_86_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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3.2.3  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  JohnRussell @3.2    last year

Then that makes many leftist liberals totally clueless.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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3.3  Sean Treacy  replied to  Jasper2529 @3    last year

Will president Biden invite them to the White House?

One can only wonder why some victims of local crime are, and some aren’t.  

 
 
 
Jasper2529
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3.3.1  Jasper2529  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.3    last year
Will president Biden invite them to the White House?

I don't know. Biden certainly has enough open time slots on his calendar. He called a lid at 8:57AM on Monday! (Too much 5 day castle visiting and DE weekend time, I suppose.)

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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3.3.2  Sean Treacy  replied to  Jasper2529 @3.3.1    last year

He invites people like the protesters who took over the Tennessee house mourning the shooter of kids as a victim, but not the families of the actual victims.  He visits  a guy who assaults children and attacks police with a knife, but not those who a mob assaults.

it’s interesting to see who Biden feels it helps him to appear with. 

 
 
 
George
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3.3.3  George  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.3.2    last year
He visits  a guy who assaults children

Every time he looks in the mirror.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
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3.3.4  Jasper2529  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.3.2    last year
it’s interesting to see who Biden feels it helps him to appear with.

Biden goes wherever his [Obama 3rd term] handlers tell him to go and say whatever they want him to say.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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3.3.5  Sean Treacy  replied to  Jasper2529 @3.3.4    last year

iden goes wherever his [Obama 3rd term] handlers tell him to go and say whatever they want him to say

Very true.  I also doubt this little girl will be invited to the White House. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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4  JohnRussell    last year

In Chicago, for days the local news has shown stories about and discussed the issue of teens, mostly black, running wild on downtown streets over the weekend. It is an issue and should be talked about in the community, and something done about it. 

What we dont see on local news is references to "savages" and "the violent teen takeover of the city " because the local news sources dont want to look ridiculous. Right wing national media has no such reservations. 

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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4.1  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  JohnRussell @4    last year
What we dont see on local news is references to "savages" and "the violent teen takeover of the city " because the local news sources dont want to look ridiculous

Perhaps they don't want to be the next targets.......................

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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4.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @4    last year
It is an issue and should be talked about in the community, and something done about it. 

The problem is that when these things are looked at in great detail, progressives don't seem to like the answers. You do recall the left's reaction to the Moynihan Report from one of their own?  That being said the problem in Chicago and other big blue cities relates to the riots of 2020 and the defund the police crowd. That is what got us here.

 
 
 
devangelical
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4.2.1  devangelical  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.2    last year

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Drinker of the Wry
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4.2.2  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  devangelical @4.2.1    last year

Load up on guns, bring your friends
It's fun to lose and to pretend
She's over-bored and self-assured
Oh no, I know a dirty word

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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4.3  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  JohnRussell @4    last year

Yeah right John. Anything to deflect from the lawlessness of said poor misunderstood teens plaguing the streets of your home town.

 
 
 
Kavika
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5  Kavika     last year

Change has come to America for centuries, we are an evolving society and always have been and hopefully will continue to be. Some cannot accept change and not all change is good but the pendulum swings back and forth.

 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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5.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Kavika @5    last year
not all change is good

Now you're getting it.

 
 
 
Kavika
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5.1.1  Kavika   replied to  Vic Eldred @5.1    last year
Now you're getting it.

As usual, you don't post the complete comment. Here it is again:

not all change is good but the pendulum swings back and forth.

You should at least try to get it, Vic. The pendulum moderates the extremes on both sides.

 
 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
5.1.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Kavika @5.1.1    last year
You should at least try to get it,

You may need to "get it."  We have hit rock bottom.

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
5.1.3  JBB  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.1.2    last year

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JBB
Professor Principal
5.1.4  JBB  replied to  Kavika @5.1.1    last year

The first record of angry old men bitching about how the world is going to hell were written in cuneiform or hieroglyphics...

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
5.1.5  Kavika   replied to  Vic Eldred @5.1.2    last year
You may need to "get it."  We have hit rock bottom.

LOL, I suppose that in your eyes we've hit rock bottom, but America will survive this ''rock bottom'' of yours and do what we have always done, move on. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
5.1.6  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JBB @5.1.4    last year

All things are equal?

What happened to ancient Egypt or ancient Rome or even Britian for that matter.

Great civilizations come and they go.

Remember the "dark ages?"

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
5.1.7  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Kavika @5.1.5    last year
I suppose that in your eyes we've hit rock bottom

You don't have to suppose. I'll confirm it.


 but America will survive this ''rock bottom'' 

No it cannot.

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
5.1.8  JBB  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.1.6    last year

The world evolves and changes constantly. 

Secret to survival is adaptation to changes.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
5.1.9  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JBB @5.1.8    last year
Secret to survival is adaptation to changes.

As they do in China, Russia and Iran. It is known as the monastery of the mind. In such places one does not think about the regime in power or its rules, nor ever speaks of it. One simply does anything one can to survive. That is a terrible way of life, don't you think?

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
5.1.10  Kavika   replied to  Vic Eldred @5.1.7    last year
You don't have to suppose. I'll confirm it.

So now that you have confirmed it I'll chalk it up to ''chicken little and the sky is falling''.

No it cannot.

If you believe we cannot survive what are you doing to try and prevent this horrible destruction of the US, whining?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
5.1.11  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Kavika @5.1.10    last year
what are you doing to try and prevent this

Everything short of revolution or as you would call it "insurrection."

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
5.1.12  Kavika   replied to  Vic Eldred @5.1.11    last year
Everything short of revolution or as you would call it "insurrection."

You should have joined the ''insurrectionists'' in D.C. 

 
 
 
Jasper2529
Professor Quiet
5.1.13  Jasper2529  replied to  JBB @5.1.4    last year
The first record of angry old men bitching about how the world is going to hell were written in cuneiform or hieroglyphics...

Technically the first form of primitive written communication was developed by the ancient Sumerians' pictographs. Some scholars of ancient writing concur that the ancient Chinese had also developed a primitive pictograph system during those millennia. Cuneiform and hieroglyphs were developed later and were more sophisticated.

To my knowledge, there's no indication that any of these communication styles were written by "angry old men bitching". In fact, what they show are animals, plants, crop growing, hunter/gatherer scenes, what they saw in the sky, gods, etc. Their artwork is, IMO, quite fascinating.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
5.1.14  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Kavika @5.1.12    last year

I'm a moderate, remember.

 
 

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