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The Fox-Dominion Settlement - WSJ

  

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Via:  vic-eldred  •  last year  •  66 comments

By:   The Editorial Board (WSJ)

The Fox-Dominion Settlement - WSJ
A verdict against the network might have hurt all of the press.

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The wailing you heard across the land Tuesday afternoon was the sound of thousands of journalists lamenting the settlement of the defamation lawsuit by Dominion Voting Systems against Fox News. An entire industry of reporters has been denied the schadenfreude of seeing their hated political and media competitor in the dock. An hilariously revealing courtroom account in Politico laments that "hopes were dashed—dreams torpedoed" by the settlement.

The settlement is a victory for Dominion, which said Fox will pay $787.5 million. Fox didn't apologize, though it said "we acknowledge the Court's rulings finding certain claims about Dominion to be false." Those claims involved statements aired on Fox from the likes of Rudy Giuliani and Sidney Powell that blamed Dominion's voting machines for Donald Trump's defeat in 2020.

These columns never saw any evidence for such claims, and we said so in a Nov. 18, 2020, editorial, “ Rage Against the Voting Machine .” Dominion cited that editorial more than once in its legal filings. On Dec. 1, 2020, we ran  an op-ed  from Dominion CEO John Poulos rebutting the claims against his company.

We share common ownership with Fox, and we have a weekend news program on the network. But neither Fox nor News Corp, our parent, is an ideological monolith, and our owners hire journalists to make independent judgments about what to cover or say in print or on television. The press routinely asserts otherwise, despite evidence to the contrary, but that’s the truth of our experience since Rupert Murdoch purchased the Journal in 2007.

As much as the media ached for a Fox defeat in court, they ought to thank the company for settling. A verdict against the network might well have hurt the rest of the press by making it harder to defend against defamation claims.

The network would no doubt have appealed a negative verdict in Delaware court, where the trial judge made rulings and comments that suggested an anti-Fox bias. Had the appeal made it to the U.S. Supreme Court, the Justices might have reconsidered their 1964 precedent in  New York Times  Co. v. Sullivan . That ruling requires plaintiffs to prove that false statements against public figures are made with “actual malice.” Justices Clarence Thomas and Neil Gorsuch have said they would like to revisit that standard.

The media cheering for Fox to lose were in effect cheering for a verdict that could have meant more lawsuits, many of them meritless, against journalists. Their hatred of Fox and conservatives is so strong that they ignored their self-interest.

One journalistic lesson of the Dominion case is not to indulge crank claims because your audience wants to hear them. That includes claims about Russian collusion or stolen elections. Mr. Trump could never admit he defeated himself in 2020, so he claimed the election was stolen. He tweeted a false “report” about Dominion, and the grifters who attend him, then and now, spread it.

Journalism is an imperfect craft, and mistakes are inevitable. That’s why the bar for proving libel should be high. But the obligation of a journalist is to discern the truth, or at least as close as one can get to knowing it, and tell it to your audience straight.


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Vic Eldred
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1  seeder  Vic Eldred    last year

As much as the media ached for a Fox defeat in court, they ought to thank the company for settling. A verdict against the network might well have hurt the rest of the press by making it harder to defend against defamation claims.

I suppose our dishonest msm thinks they are immune.

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.1  devangelical  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    last year
I suppose our dishonest msm thinks they are immune

gee, maybe you should file suit. I recommend the law firm of powell, giuliani, and ellis. they need the work.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  devangelical @1.1    last year

They have been hiding behind the New York Times Co. v. Sullivan decision for years. I'm not sure if that could have been used here. I guess the leftist media is off the hook for now and they can thank Fox news and its large pockets.

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.1.2  devangelical  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.1    last year

dominion slashed FOX's belly open so that everyone that comes afterwards can pull out their guts. the starting price to keep rupert and his lying pundits off the stand has now been established. he probably won't be alive in '25 when smartmatic finishes off his GOP propaganda network anyway.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.1.4  Tessylo  replied to  devangelical @1.1    last year

"A verdict against the network might have hurt all of the press"

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Faux 'news' isn't considered a part of the 'press'

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.5  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  devangelical @1.1.2    last year
dominion slashed FOX's belly open so that everyone that comes afterwards can pull out their guts.

No, that is simply not true. They never went to trial.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.6  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Texan1211 @1.1.3    last year

Fox is alive and well. It is where many people go for the news.

 
 
 
evilone
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1.1.7  evilone  replied to  devangelical @1.1.2    last year
dominion slashed FOX's belly open so that everyone that comes afterwards can pull out their guts.

News Max and OAN should be very frightened. They don't have that kind of cash and could be forced into bankruptcy. 

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.1.8  devangelical  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.5    last year
They never went to trial.

they didn't need to after all their pretrial discovery bullshit and the judge's rulings on those. dominion was smart to take the 3/4's of a billion dollars now instead of waiting thru years of appeals. this won't be the last settlement check rupert writes. there's a line forming...

 
 
 
JBB
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1.1.9  JBB  replied to  devangelical @1.1.8    last year

True, and Fox can't stall settlement long...

If Dominion won Fox would just appeal it!

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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1.1.11  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Texan1211 @1.1.10    last year
Perhaps they should stop making wild-assed predictions and proclamations.

Then what are they going to do with their lives?  Honesty is out of the question.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.1.12  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.6    last year

What news?

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.1.13  devangelical  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.6    last year
It is where many people go for the news.

yeah, many willfully ignorant people that need to hear news that they want to hear.

 
 
 
pat wilson
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1.1.14  pat wilson  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.6    last year

But they have told you themselves, in plain english that they lie, for ratings.

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.1.15  devangelical  replied to  Texan1211 @1.1.3    last year
what with the GOP being dead already

gen z, women, and independents will finish off the GOP in '24.

 
 
 
pat wilson
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1.1.16  pat wilson  replied to  devangelical @1.1.8    last year

I imagine Dominion had decided what they would settle for a while back.

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.1.17  devangelical  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @1.1.11    last year
Honesty is out of the question

that's the new FOX broadcast slogan. fair and balanced is now in the dumpster...

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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1.1.19  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  devangelical @1.1.17    last year

Notice you are silent on CNN and MSNBC.  Why play hopocrite?

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.1.20  devangelical  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @1.1.19    last year

gee, how much were their defamation lawsuit settlements?

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.1.21  devangelical  replied to  pat wilson @1.1.16    last year

FOX attorneys weren't negotiating in good faith with the mediator until 24 hours prior to the start of the trial. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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1.1.22  Sean Treacy  replied to  devangelical @1.1.15    last year
en z, women, and independents will finish off the GOP in '24.

Lol.  Since I'm not 18 years old, I'm old enough to remember 2009 when Democrats controlled the Presidency and Congress with filibuster proof majorities. The Republican Party was dead than too. And then 5 year later it held more offices country wide than at any point since the 1920s.   And now, after winning more votes in a national election less than six months ago and capturing the House, the Republicans are supposedly dead, again. For the probably the tenth time this century. 

For those of us smarter than goldfish, it's obvious that all victories are temporary at best and no party or movement will ever enjoy a permanent majority.   

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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1.1.23  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  devangelical @1.1.20    last year

Trying to gloss it over.  The dollar amount is irrelevant.  The fact they paid out just as you are celebrating Fox for paying out and silent about them is what is exposing your hypocrisy.  And you seem all good with it.

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.1.24  devangelical  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @1.1.23    last year

sorry, cnn and msnbc weren't mentioned in the article and vic already thinks I'm always off topic.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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1.1.26  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  devangelical @1.1.24    last year

So cry to Vic about it.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.1.28  Tessylo  replied to  dennis smith @1.1.27    last year

I know what they aren't which is journalists and or a news network.

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.1.29  devangelical  replied to  Tessylo @1.1.28    last year

512

 
 
 
Hallux
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1.2  Hallux  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    last year
I suppose our dishonest msm thinks they are immune.

FOX certainly has learned that it is not, and yes Vic, FOX is a very large part of the MSM ... or have they taken wholeheartedly to calling themselves entertainment and not news?

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.2.1  devangelical  replied to  Hallux @1.2    last year

FOX has claimed to be number one in cable news for over a decade, and yet they and their addled sycophants don't consider it part of the MSM. as of tuesday afternoon, I guess that's true now...

 
 
 
Thomas
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2  Thomas    last year
Journalism is an imperfect craft, and mistakes are inevitable. That’s why the bar for proving libel should be high. But the obligation of a journalist is to discern the truth, or at least as close as one can get to knowing it, and tell it to your audience straight.

All the Texts Fox News Didn’t Want You to Read

Tucker Carlson, Host:

On the antics of Trump lawyers Sidney Powell and Lin Wood:
“Sidney Powell is lying by the way. I caught her. It’s insane,” Carlson texted Ingraham on November 18.
.

Suzanne Scott, Fox News CEO:

On how fact checking Trump is “bad for business”:
“This has to stop now,” Scott  wrote  in an email to a network vice-president in early December, referring to anchor Eric Shawn’s fact-checking of Trump. “This is bad business and there clearly is a lack of understanding what is happening in these shows. The audience is furious and we are just feeding them material. Bad for business.”

This whole WSJ editorial is just face-saving move. Fox news knowingly lied to the public. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Thomas @2    last year
But the obligation of a journalist is to discern the truth, or at least as close as one can get to knowing it, and tell it to your audience straight.

Do you recall all the apologies that Bernstein & Woodward issued during their Watergate coverage?

Were there ever any real consequences?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.2  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Thomas @2    last year
Fox news knowingly lied to the public. 

How do you know that?

 
 
 
Thomas
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2.2.1  Thomas  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.2    last year

I am smart enough to look at the available information and from that information see that Fox executives, editors, and on-air personalities knew that they were telling the viewers untruths yet persisted in doing so in the quest for ratings. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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3  Sean Treacy    last year

he media cheering for Fox to lose were in effect cheering for a verdict that could have meant more lawsuits, many of them meritless, against journalists. Their hatred of Fox and conservatives is so strong that they ignored their self-interest.

The progressive hive mind in a nutshell.

 
 
 
pat wilson
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3.1  pat wilson  replied to  Sean Treacy @3    last year
a verdict that could have meant more lawsuits, many of them meritless, against journalists. Their hatred of Fox and conservatives is so strong that they ignored their self-interest.

Fox news has nothing to do with journalism. Murdoch himself pulled the curtain back. Remember, "it's not about red or blue, it's about the green".

 
 
 
devangelical
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3.1.1  devangelical  replied to  pat wilson @3.1    last year

FOX news is now the national enquirer of televised journalism.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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4  Jeremy Retired in NC    last year

Didn't liberal blogger centers CNN and MSNBC have to pay $275 million in damages in the Nick Sandmann suit against them?  And yet the idiots on the left celebrate this as some kind of a victory.

 
 
 
devangelical
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4.1  devangelical  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @4    last year

but, but, but, what about...

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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4.1.1  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  devangelical @4.1    last year

Just pointing out the hypocrisy of you all (again).

 
 
 
devangelical
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4.1.2  devangelical  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @4.1.1    last year

hypocrisy? you're the one attempting to defend FOX as a legitimate news source here, not me...

too bad there isn't very much on this story from FOX itself to use here, huh?

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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4.1.3  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  devangelical @4.1.2    last year
hypocrisy? 

you don't know the meaning?

 
 
 
devangelical
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4.1.4  devangelical  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @4.1.3    last year

open your eyes, I just gave you 2 examples...

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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4.2  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @4    last year

He sued for 275m, there was no 275m settlement.  The amount was never disclosed but it was nowhere near the outrageous amount he was suing for.

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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4.2.2  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Texan1211 @4.2.1    last year

Provide a link from ANYONE who thinks it was anywhere near what this loser dipship was seeking.

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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4.2.4  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Texan1211 @4.2.3    last year

[Deleted] perhaps you should direct that line of disturbingly stupid logic to the one who said this:

Didn't liberal blogger centers CNN and MSNBC have to pay $275 million in damages in the Nick Sandmann suit against them?

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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4.2.5  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @4.2    last year
He sued for 275m, there was no 275m settlement.

Lets see your link for that.  Prove me wrong.

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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4.2.8  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @4.2.5    last year

The estimated net worth of Nick Sandmann is in excess of $1 million dollars.

How did Nick Sandmann build his net worth?

Nick Sandmann and his family have filed as many as 13 lawsuits against media outlets for defamation and emotional distress. One of the lawsuits amounted to $250 million dollars. One was thrown out, while the other was settled for a much smaller but undisclosed amount.

One law expert, William Jacobson from Cornell Law School, estimates the deal with CNN was worth at least seven figures.

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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4.2.9  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Texan1211 @4.2.6    last year

It’s still not entirely clear why, but two of the companies, the Washington Post and CNN chose to settle the lawsuits. Considering a court had initially dismissed the WaPo suit, and only reinstated it on very narrow grounds (that still seemed unlikely to win), and the fact that the lawsuit against CNN was on shaky ground as well, basically anyone with any experience with defamation law assumed that the settlement was at what’s generally known as “nuisance fee” levels: a pittance — less than it would cost to pay the lawyers to win the suit, just to make the kid and his lawyers go away. Of course, his fans ridiculously assumed that the settlement meant he got the full hundreds of millions he sued over . And some very ignorant media folks implied something similar . But, almost everyone agrees that Sandmann probably got in the low to mid-five figures. Not bad for a student, but not exactly lifechanging either.

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Hal A. Lujah
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4.2.11  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Texan1211 @4.2.10    last year

Of course, his fans ridiculously assumed that the settlement meant he got the full hundreds of millions he sued over .

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Hal A. Lujah
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4.2.14  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Texan1211 @4.2.13    last year

You made the same mistake you always make.

384

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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4.2.15  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @4.2.8    last year
The estimated net worth of Nick Sandmann is in excess of $1 million dollars. How did Nick Sandmann build his net worth?

There are millions of ways this could have happened.  But it is good you admitted you have no idea what the settlement is.  

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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4.2.16  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Texan1211 @4.2.7    last year

And STILL trying to push fiction as fact.  It's sad that I'm not really surprised.

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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4.2.17  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @4.2.16    last year

Didn't liberal blogger centers CNN and MSNBC have to pay $275 million in damages in the Nick Sandmann suit against them?

And what are you pushing here?  You’re just embarrassing yourself further.

 
 

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