Mayor Adams rips AOC for saying Jordan Neely was 'murdered'
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Mayor Eric Adams has ripped Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez for rushing to conclude that Jordan Neely was "murdered" when he was put in a chokehold by a Marine.
Hizzoner criticized the progressive lawmaker along with City Comptroller Brad Lander, who claimed people are cheering how the troubled 30-year-old homeless man was "choked to death by a vigilante without consequence."
"I don't think that's very responsible at the time where we are still investigating the situation," Adams said on "CNN Primetime" late Wednesday when asked about both inflammatory tweets.
"Let's let the DA conduct his investigation with the law enforcement officials. To really interfere with that is not the right thing to do.
"I'm going to be responsible and allow them to do their job and allow them to determine exactly what happened here," the mayor stressed.
The rush to conclusions was particularly irresponsible from Landers — who started his tweet by saying that "NYC is not Gotham" — because "the comptroller's a city-wide leader," noted Adams.
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Mayor Eric Adams says there are too many unknowns to conclude that Jordan Neely was murdered.Juan VazquezAdams said it wasn't "very responsible" to rush to conclusions when there are "so many unknowns" over Neely's death.CNNOcasio-Cortez, meanwhile, attacked an earlier message from Adams about the "tragic" death of Neely. REUTERS
"We don't know exactly what happened here," Adams stressed of the fatal chokehold on an F train in lower Manhattan Monday afternoon.
Asked when it is "appropriate" for subway passengers to "take matters into [their] own hands," Adams stressed: "Each situation is different.
"I was a former transit police officer, and I responded to many jobs where you had a passenger assisting someone. And so we cannot just blanketly say what a passenger should or should not do in a situation like that."
Jordan Neely was murdered.
But bc Jordan was houseless and crying for food in a time when the city is raising rents and stripping services to militarize itself while many in power demonize the poor, the murderer gets protected w/ passive headlines + no charges.
It's disgusting. https://t.co/YJeQp9bbgE
— Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (@AOC) May 3, 2023
NYC is not Gotham. We must not become a city where a mentally ill human being can be choked to death by a vigilante without consequence. Or where the killer is justified & cheered. https://t.co/oQDnmItp83
— Brad Lander (@bradlander) May 3, 2023
Mayor Adams released a statement following Neely's death.
The city medical examiner ruled Wednesday that Neely's death was a homicide due to "compression of neck (chokehold)."
Witnesses say that Neely was having a mental episode when another straphanger, identified as a 24-year-old Marine from Queens, took him down from behind and placed him in a chokehold for about 15 minutes.
Still, Adams stressed that there are "so many unknowns at this time."
The city medical examiner has ruled Neely's death Monday a homicide.Juan VazquezNeely was seen getting medical care after being in a chokehold on the subway.Paul MartinkaOcasio-Cortez also accused Adams of being " especially rich" in calling for more care for those in need given that his administration is "trying to cut the very services that could have helped" Neely. Bloomberg via Getty Images
"And now it's in the hands of investigators to determine exactly what happened … We should allow the investigation to take his course."
Soon after Adams spoke, Landers replied with a screenshot of a dictionary definition of "vigilantism" as "law enforcement undertaken without legal authority by a self-appointed group of people."
Ocasio-Cortez, meanwhile, attacked an earlier message from Adams about the "tragic" death, in which he again noted there was "a lot we don't know about what happened."
AOC suggested it was a "new low" not to condemn Neely's death because he was homeless.TNSSupporters of Jordan Neely were pictured during a vigil in the Broadway-Lafayette subway station on Wednesday, May, 3, 2023.TNSSigns of a protest was seen in a subway station after the death of Jordan Neely.Valentina Jaramillo/NY Post
"This honestly feels like a new low: not being able to clearly condemn a public murder because the victim was of a social status some would deem 'too low' to care about," the lawmaker wrote.
She also accused Adams of being " especially rich" in calling for more care for those in need given that his administration is "trying to cut the very services that could have helped" Neely.
The Marine was taken into custody after the deadly encounter and then released without criminal charges. Prosecutors can opt to present the case to a grand jury and let them decide if charges should be filed
He declined to comment when reached by The Post on Tuesday.
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Every once in a while NYC mayor Adams makes sounds like a responsible human being.
How many think that we should wait until someone is killed or injured before defending himself?
How many think the insane should be institutionalized?
How many think that Soros should be barred from funding American DA's?
Mayor Adams' own medical examiner ruled it a homicide.
That does not mean it was a murder.
According to the FBI and constitutional lawyers, that can be overruled.
Maybe when republiCONS and CONServatives stop buying and paying for Supreme Court justices?
Good Morning democrats
Watched the entire video. I dont see where AOC said anything wrong. It is her opinion that the man was murdered. The police investigation will determine what happened.
It doesnt seem that the homeless guy showed any sort of weapon, he was talking very aggressively evidently and upset and scared people. Normally , choking someone for 15 minutes is not the best response to this sort of thing. It doesnt appear there was any sort of "fight" because it says the "ex-marine" came up from the man's behind and put him in a chokehold.
Its actually not clear, at least from the news video, that what happened was totally appropriate.
I watched it too. Working people who are forced to use public transportation should'nt have to be put in such positions.
That guy shouldn't have been roaming the streets and I'm glad he's gone.
As for AOC, she is 100% wrong.
From the video, we learn that a homeless man was aggressively harassing riders by demanding that someone give him food and money. Nothing in the video saying he touched anyone or showed a weapon. Just talk at that point. At that point one of the riders came up behind him and put him in a chokehold which lasted 15 minutes and the homeless guy died.
I think there are a lot of questions that need consideration and answers.
Yep, AOC doesn’t have to worry about such things because I’m sure she doesn’t use public transportation and if she does, she probably has body guards.
Just another loopy, out of touch bureaucrat.
Nothing more.
Not as far as I'm concerned.
You live near a big city. Don't you know anything about city life?
I used to take the subway to work in Chicago. I wasnt forced to, I wanted to because it was convenient. Occasionally someone would show up who started trying to harass people. 99% of them ignored whoever it was acting up. Or you get up and move to another car.
Vic, I dont have the slightest doubt that I am far more street smart than you are. Not a doubt.
Around the age of five, Alexandria’s architect father Sergio Ocasio moved the family from the “planned community” of Parkchester in the Bronx to a home in Yorktown Heights, a wealthy suburb in Westchester County. The New York Times describes her childhood home as “a modest two-bedroom house on a quiet street.” In a 1999 profile of the area, when Ocasio-Cortez would have been ten years old, the Times lauded Yorktown Heights’ “diversity of housing in a scenic setting” – complete with two golf courses.
A truly street smart person is smart enough not to brag about it.
Ones that brag about it tend to be taken down very damn quickly when reality strikes.
Says the guy who thinks you can get up and move to the next car.
AOC is a flaming hypocrite.
The people that elected her deserve what they get IMO.
You're happy about someone's needless death? Really?
I agree that people should not have to put up with aggressive people like him, however do you truly support capital punishment because someone is being a dick?
Generally speaking, if you are going to put someone in a choke hold, you'd better know what you are doing or else tragedy like this will occur. He may not have technically committed murder (at least not 1st degree) but he was responsible for the death of another person and there should be repercussions.
Yep, leaving more vulnerable citizens to their own devices against crazies like this.
The difference between a Marine and not.
Oh please. I didnt brag about anything . Vic made a ridiculous comment about me and I answered him. I have lived in integrated neighborhoods my entire life. I know how to act on city streets as well as anyone could, and better than most. There were times when I was the only white person on a subway car passing through a "bad neighborhood" and I wasnt afraid. You mind your own business and keep your eyes open and you are usually ok.
It would be interesting to hear from all the other people who were on that car to see what they all thought about what happened.
And the armchair quarterbacking begins.
Yeah, Subway rules. Avoid eye contact and hope and pray the deranged psychopath doesn't physically assault you while you avoid looking at him.
That's civilization.
She is what Supertramp called "a radical!"
The people that elected her deserve what they get IMO.
The far left got her nominated. Party affiliation in NYC took care of the rest.
Democrats do love their criminals.
Should he have just waited around until the lunatic hurt someone? Maybe killed them?
This is what happens in Democrat run bastions of stupidity. Criminals and crazies have free run; and when something like this happens leftists lose their shit.
I am sure the marine will receive a "fair" investigation by Democrat standards, "fair" trial by Democrat standards, and harshest sentencing the law will allow by Democrat standards.
Anyone with a brain should stay the hell out of Democrat bastions of stupidity.
Really, again with the bragging?
I am sure you are the toughest man you know.
We will miss their presence. Do you see the way this pos president has mocked the US Navy?
Starting with those who were frozen in fear.
Unconscionable but nothing new for cornpop fighter.
I doubt that regular subway riders were frozen in fear. A couple tourists might have been.
That is an old story John. Most people in the inner city fear to act.
It's been imortalized by the murder of Kitty Genovese in 1964.
38 witnesses wouldn't lift a finger. many just closed their doors.
That too was NYC.
Yup, he another tough son of a bitch.
All that so called education and she's still a slack jawed idiot. So how many times does one need to bash myself in themselves in the head with a sledgehammer to get to her level?
It is humorous to watch idiots call AOC an idiot.
Supporters/enablers of the former 'president' cannot reach that level, impossible. They're mostly high school drop outs with the emotional/temperament level of a toddler.
I used to ride the bus to work until I got my license at the late age of 25 and I saw some crazy shit myself - including a guy trying to strangle another one because he tripped over his foot while he was passing - it was right in front of me - one guy was I think drunk and homeless and the other guy was just pissed. That's life in any big city. The one guy who was pissed off - had his hands around the drunk guys throat - not a big guy - right over the seat right in front of me until I got out of the way. This was about 35 years ago and that incident didn't result in death - look at how, as John Russell says, society has degraded/devolved - thanks to those who I won't mention.
It is humorous to watch idiots call other people idiots for calling AOC an idiot.
She still has the calluses on the back of her throat to prove she earned every one of those degrees.
Like Mayor Adams?
You are exactly right.
Which is why nobody should be saying "murder" right now.
Unless of course they're a complete attention whore using the incident for political gain.
So classy.
Like those knee pads republiCONS/CONServatives wear?
Do YOU think an unarmed, verbally belligerent man deserved the death penalty?
A simple yes or no question that I am sure you will refuse to answer.
Too bad I'm not a democrat, but sweeping generalization noted...
He had not even touched anyone, what makes you think that he would have started? Should we be able to kill someone because of what we "think" they MIGHT do?
Wouldn't you also be justifying the old man that shot the teenager for ringing his doorbell?
Or the guy that shot and killed the girl for simply driving up his driveway?
What an ignorant statement.
Gun Violence Is Actually Worse in Red States. It’s Not Even Close.
Red States Have Higher Gun Death Rates Than Blue States.
The marine used deadly force on an unarmed man who was being verbally belligerent. Your belief is that it is okay because you didn't like the guy he killed.
Gun Violence Is Actually Worse in Red States. It’s Not Even Close.
Red States Have Higher Gun Death Rates Than Blue States.
But Trump has a whole building named after him. Of course he named it himself, but that counts, doesn't it?
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Yawn, in a perfect world no but here’s the complications.
Did they know he was unarmed since he was threatening to hurt people? A simple yes or no will do.
Did they know he wouldn’t make good on his threats even if he was unarmed? A simple yes or no will do
Were you there? A simple yes or no will do
I understand how the unemployment rate is calculated.
She does not.
Which is an incredibly remarkable situation for an economics major.
Do we know that for sure?
I'm pretty sure you cant kill someone because they were being verbally threatening.
Exactly, if so there would even be less NTs.
apparently it's A-ok in maga world
Bad form.
How so?
Who's been threatening you? I will straighten them out.
No one, I don’t feel at all threatened.
Some of the dumbest people I’ve ever met are highly educated.
Higher education can be very overrated depending on who is getting it.
AOC is a great example of that and is just a socialist drone for academia.
Nothing more.
It even more fun watching know it all, no nothings call the people questioning AOC, idiots. Thus proving their own premise on themselves.
Remarkable is not the word I would use. You are being entirely too generous.
what is REALLY scary is that some leftists just can't admit that AOC is an ignorant woman. it's like they think she is actually intelligent!
I’m absolutely sure that is not a simple yes or no to my question. In fact, it doesn’t even answer my question.
Typical BS considering ......
That's not how it works. You cannot kill someone because you think there is an off chance he may have a gun somewhere hidden on his body.
Other than being verbally aggressive, he made no physical actions to indicate he would hurt anyone.
It's funny. You keep repeating this from my question to you, yet completely fail to see the irony in it, because you refused to answer my question.
Or else every "Karen" in the country would be getting shot.
One passenger said the man then “removed his jacket and aggressively whipped it to the floor” of the train.
Thereby showing that he did not have a gun in his jacket, or under it....
I never wrote anything about a gun. I merely disputed your assertion.
Never said you did. But Sparty did, and you just shot down one of his/hers claims.
So, in your mind, removing a coat is considered a physically aggressive action?
A jury of his peers will decide that if required. It certainly won’t be you.
Amazing that you know that for sure since you weren’t there. Simply amazing.
It’s not funny. It’s just sad that you can’t see that your question was answered. Even money if the reason for the lack of recognition is reading comprehension issues or just the usual left wing snark.
And still no “yes” or “no” answer from you like you were given. Typical and weak. Very, very weak.
I didn’t mention a gun either so stop trying to put words in my mouth.
A jury of his peers?
I believe Chesty Puller died in 1971.
There is evidently no witness to say he touched anyone or had a weapon. You can't kill someone just because you are afraid of them.
Its amazing that we even have to put that in words, but given the bloodthirsty hysteria of the right over this, I guess it is necessary.
He was being restrained. There was no homicidal intent.
Which simply means no 1st degree murder charges. 2nd degree and manslaughter are still viable options. He improperly used lethal force on the victim.
Texan1211, is that you? Usually only texan1211 pulls the bullshit of claiming he answered questions when he didn't.
It is a well known tactic of avoiding an answer that you know is a lose / lose answer.
How do you know?
He was verbally threatening people in the car, yelling, and getting in their faces.
We actually don't know that. For all we know these guys had a previous encounter and the Marine had been plotting revenge for months.
We also don't know that.
Possibly. But we don't really know, do we?
And again.. we don't know that.
So over 75% of your post is claiming with certainty shit we can't possibly know.
That's a stretch but okay, I acknowledge that we don't know for sure. Let me rephrase it to say there was no overt homicidal intent. Better?
Correct, but I was replying to Greg's assumption.
Again, no we don't, but this was based on Greg's assumption, not based off of all the facts known and yet released or discovered.
Unless his intent was to kill him, YES he used it improperly as a restraining move.
And 100% of my post was based on, and replying to Greg's assumption that there was no homicidal intent.
If you are going to nit pick my comments, you should at least look at what my comment is in reply to. My comment is still 100% correct based on the constraints that it was a reply to Greg's contention that there was no homicidal intent.
Only a little.
I'm not sure why it's so difficult to just admit we the public have close to zero clue what actually happened, and just withhold judgment until we're better informed.
Lol ... only in the TDS ridden playbook.
Page one .....
Oh and this seed isn’t about me or Tex. That would be page two of the TDS ridden playbook. Regular use of Ad Hominem personal attacks.
Here is a fuckin g clue for you:
When you hit reply, then you are replying to whatever name you see there.
I gave you answers you don't like or are unable to understand and then claim nobody answered you.
Too damn bad, either learn to comprehend the answers given or stop asking.
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A typical liberal tactic-ask dumbass questions, get answers, pretend no answers were given.
Seen it many, many times here and now almost expect it from a small handful of posters.
Usually they don't even have a clue what they are talking about, evident in the questions they ask.
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So kill him?
Precisely where in comment 2.1.68 did I say that anyone should be killed? Please be specific in your reply.
No, I wasn’t there. A passenger was quoted as saying he “aggressively” whipped it around.
That is because some folks just cannot comprehend that simply having a higher IQ and college degree does not automatically confer wisdom and/or common sense. AOC is a perfect example of such. Some of the smartest people I have ever known never went to college.
Modarada-ding-dong
Conservatives these days assume that every urban situation is a hellhole waiting to happen. I have no doubt that some of them would like to see simple panhandlers get the death penalty.
You're not listening. The insane need to be institutionalized and off the streets.
I'm all in favor of raising your taxes to pay for it.
There's not enough room though for the former 'president' and all of his enablers/supporters.
I'm in favor of using the money uncle Joe is using to subsidize green energy.
Because THAT is the subject of this article. FFS try to keep up.
TBF, you're all in favor of raising other people's taxes for a lot of things.
Never a problem with spending as long as they have someone else's money!
Chicago should tax wealth in their city and pay for all the services they wish to provide to immigrants.
There's not enough room for you
Yep I agree. First up, Michelle and Barack Obama. Get your check book out Barry.
I’m in favor of sending them over to your house. You can handle it .... since it’s not all that bad and all. You can be the first “sanctuary NTer” you’d be famous with your pals here.
Just think of it ... you’d be a hero ....
naw-------too many leftists are strict adherents to NIMBY.
You see it from many of the sanctuary city mayors crying about a relative handful of immigrants. Everything was all rosy until THEY had to deal with some of the immigrants.
Sniveling little shits.
Lol
Simple “panhandlers” don’t threaten people.
No skin off my nose though. People who decide to live in places like that deserve what they get because of the dimbulbs they keep electing.
Last person in NYC turn out the lights .....
The former mayor of Chicago says the city can't support another busload of migrants. That is a strage thing for a black woman to say. The city of Chicago accomodated about 500,000 African Americans between 1916 and 1970. It was part of the great migration.
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Do you know how many hispanics live in Chicago?
I'll help you, it is hundreds of thousands.
The former mayor is as stupid as the rest of the fools the voting public in Chicago installed in office.
Are Chicagoans just gluttons for punishment?
It is always funny when sanctuaries start whining about immigrants.
Tax your residents yet more to pay for the people you vowed to help and protect, since immigrants are more important to you than your tax-paying citizens are.
What difference does it make.
The white mayors of Chicago took in all the blacks who came and now there is a black mayor who says we can't take in another bus load.
How dare she?
NONE, just a strawman argument.
She is a leftist without shame or sense?
Funny that they complain about hundreds when Texas is faced with millions.
Do you have a calculator John?
According to 2021 US Census Bureau American Community Survey one-year estimates, which is conducted annually for cities over 65,000 via sampling, the population of Chicago, Illinois was 36.1% White (32.9% Non-Hispanic White and 3.2 % Hispanic White ), 28.5% Black or African American , 6.9% Asian , 1.1 % Native American and Alaskan Native , 0.1% Pacific Islander , 13.1% Some Other Race, and 14.2% from two or more races . [5]
The population of Chicago is 2.75 million, care to guess what 3.2 % comes out too? not 100's of thousands.
It makes me want to puke when the left starts crying about Biden policies after supporting the dumbass.
Especially in New York and Chicago, proud sanctuaries now begging the feds for money to deal with a small, small percentage of immigrants while border states and cities deal with more every month than those cities get in an entire YEAR.
Bunch of hypocrites, cheering the very policies which have resulted in them whining now.
Ya'll always talking plenty of shit about how rich you are, just tax your rich residents more and deal with your self-inflicted problem.
As long as they can restrict all the migrant chaos to the border states, it won't be much of an election issue for them. That's what it's really about.
That is what makes the Republican Governors strategy so effective.
Either the big-city sanctuaries will have to deal with immigrants on a larger basis than they previously had to or admit that the sanctuary policy is stupid.
Them publicly whining about this just keeps it in the limelight and even residents in sanctuaries may tire of it soon enough.
lol
White Hispanics are those with family roots from Hispanic (Spanish Speaking) nations who identify as white. These are those whose forebears were Europeans from Spain or former Spanish colonies who are not racially indigenous Central or South Americans. Yours is an intentionally dishonest analysis. There are hundreds of thousands of brown skinned persons with indigenous North and South American cultural heritages living in Chicago...
Facts, shmacts!
The usual narrative begins to unravel in the face of facts.
28% of 2,750,000 is 770,000.
Seems she is realizing her virtue signaling has consequences. Maybe it wasn't a good idea to declare your city a sanctuary city when it was already a shithole.
And that's the absolute truth!!!!!!!!!!
Chicago is no shithole. You need to get out more.
Prove it, only legals count, scumbag intruders do not.
Chicago is almost as big of a shithole as Baltimore, almost but not quite.
Prove me wring. I hear you loud and clear.
Where in my comment did I mention this slack jawed idiot?
Oh, it's Tell a Joke Day already.
The Clinton flag makes your point perfectly?
Followed by
It's almost too easy.
Do you know how many Hispanics cross the border illegally into Texas every.... single..... year?
I'll help you, it is hundreds of thousands.
MAGA hate AOC because she is beautiful and is way out of their league. This is a representative of the type men who dog AOC about her looks on social media...
You know what the difference is between the two?
STUPID isn't constantly falling out of the horse's mouth, while it falls in a steady stream out of the ass' mouth!
Or maybe just tax all those people keeping unemployment so low through having two jobs a little extra?
Wow, who could have possibly guessed that AOC would open her trap again and STUPID would fall out?
Answer:
Anyone with a functioning brain.
So that leave out the left.
There are too many crazy people on the loose and causing problems
And dumbass DA's like Bragg keep setting them free.
And those on the left keep cheering and voting for these idiots backed by Soros--jeeze, will they NEVER learn???
Not by a long shot.
Most people are thankful that bystanders who took it upon themselves to protect them. This incident is only controversial because we are living through the era of the left. I want everyone to know that NBC's Today paid homage to the insane guy who was accosting people. The same mindset as the guy who simply puts up pictures or the scum that protest on behalf of criminals and btw Jordan Neely had 42 previous arrests.
Leave it to a liberal blogger organization to prop up the criminal.
I think the hero may get indicted for manslaughter. There is no evidence the insane person assauted anyone on that train, other than perhaps their eardrums. He had no weapon. We are not allowed to kill someone, or even violently attack them , because we are afraid they might do something. In retrospect, the hero went too far, and in our system of justice he has to be held accountable.
I heard that many of his arrests were for offenses related to turnstyle jumping (getting on the subway without paying). These are not capital offenses. Yelling at people on the subway is not a capital offense. The right is showing blood thirstiness over what was actually a tragedy, and it may end up being a tragedy for the "hero" too.
From what?
Nor have I heard or seen that most people are thankful the man was put it a chokehold for 15 minutes.
Far right wingers in this country are trying to demonize urban life
That's how far we've drifted as a society
He threatened People!!
Neely yelled and threw garbage at commuters, prompting an argument with the 24-year-old veteran Marine, cops said. The quarrel turned into a brawl as the train entered the station.
I take it that from where you and AOC (All Out Crazy) were sitting, you didn't feel threatened.
The gop drifted (see sank) so low that a video of a white guy choking a mentally ill black man to death is jackoff material...
As progressives jack off to the idea of pretending to care about the death of a black man because of its racial politics. They don’t seem bothered that their policies let this violent lunatic rambling the streets harassing and threatening people making Violent confrontation almost inevitable.
Funny how progressives only care about a tiny percentage of black crime victims.
That did touch all the left's key points didn't it. Why weren't you on the subway?
thinking you should be safe on public transport is white supremacy.
That doesnt sound like a "brawl". It sounds like Neely was attacked from behind.
This wouldnt be the first time cops mischaracterized what happened.
In this country right now Abraham Lincoln could find himself convicted of treason.
There is no evidence the insane person assauted anyone on that train, other than perhaps their eardrums.
Show us the film of the interaction.
We are not allowed to kill someone, or even violently attack them , because we are afraid they might do something.
Is that the law of Biden?
I heard that many of his arrests were for offenses related to turnstyle jumping (getting on the subway without paying). These are not capital offenses. Yelling at people on the subway is not a capital offense. The right is showing blood thirstiness over what was actually a tragedy, and it may end up being a tragedy for the "hero" too.
The working class shouldn't be subjected to this shit. I think the people on the left should be forced to ride to & from work with these crazies every day of their lives!
Mischaracterizing like claiming he had him in a chokehold for 15 minutes?
Let us see a video of the incident
NBC only shows us a video at the end of the incident.
Several months ago, DC Police and DC Guardian Angels began augmenting DC Transit Police after an increase in violent crime on the Metro System.
On Jan 6th a "violent" mob approached the US capitol building, shouting, scaling walls, and rushing towards the doors , eventually breaking into the building. The civilians inside were in fear for their lives.
Would the police or the army have been justified in setting up machine guns and mowing down the "violent" mob before they actually attacked any of the civilians in the building?
After all, the lawmakers were afraid for their lives.
They did shoot an unarmed protestor.....remember?
They said it was ok....remember?
A rational response. Who’d of thunk it?
And if Neely had been breaking down the door to the mayors residence at the time his killing would likely be justified.
That’s the premise of self defense laws since time immemorial. If the fear for your life, or others, is reasonable, you have the right to defend yourself. Machine gunning unarmed protestors is not rational.
Why would anyone on that subway train be fearing for their lives? Neely had no weapon, and according to what I have seen, didnt touch anyone .
I havent seen a single word indicating anyone was fearing for their life. They were scared because they were being verbally accosted by a crazy man. That is not justification for choking someone to death.
That is your idea of a justified killing? Suppose the mayor was a mile away like AOC was on Jan 6th?
Btw, you seem to forget that the subway hero did not intend to kill the vermin. He only sought to protect people, which he was trained to do.
Wow!
Nothing to fear there / S
People were "scared" because the sight of a crazy person acting out is viscerally unsettling. That is not "fear for their lives".
The man was unarmed.
For someone who claims to be street smart you dont seem to have much understanding.
Who are you to tell people what is dangerous and what is not?
The man was unarmed.
So was Ashli Babbitt. Was it obvious that he wasn't concealing a weapon? What about his two hands. Haven't women been viciously beaten by crazies on the NY subway? Why do people have to be assaulted before they can defend themselves? A threat is enough.
For someone who claims to be street smart you dont seem to have much understanding.
Do you know when thugs stop threatening?
Your argument is that his presence on the train, yelling at people, was reason for them to be physically afraid, to the degree that it was ok for someone to come up from behind him and choke him.
That is your argument. It will be interesting to see how that argument is treated in a court.
They had thirteen minutes while he was being strangled to make sure he was not!
Surprisingly, none of the good NYC passengers intervened during that time to rescue Babbitt. Apparently one even preferred making a video of the event indifferent to the lengthy homicide.
Yes. They had every right to RESTRAIN him.
That is your argument. It will be interesting to see how that argument is treated in a court.
We don't have courts of law anymore.
Where were you?
If someone comes up to you on the street and starts yelling at you, and as a response to his yelling you start choking him until he is unconscious, who do you think is going to get arrested?
I might just hit him. He could hit his head on the ground and die. On a subway train it is far more serious. There are lots of people who would like to avoid confrontation and have nowhere to hide. A red blooded Marine (not Biden's people) would most likely do as this courageous man did and try protect everyone.
Nobody has yet shown a film of how the altercation began. We only see the end of it. I think somebody may have had cell phone video of the entire incident.
BTW, the worst thing would have been for everyone to run from the pos.
What exactly does that mean ?
It means Biden is using the military for leftist social experiments.
Did you see the latest Navy recruiting film.
Do have a slick answer for it?
I'm just wondering which marines you think are "red-blooded" and which aren't.
You cant punch someone because they yell at you. They could press charges against you and have you arrested.
So, a mentally ill homeless desperate man is vermin?
That makes me think of the expression - when someone shows you who they are, believe them.
Thank you for the confirmation.
Seems like that journalist Vasquez went to great lengths making a show of taking a video of a person getting strangled, but did he make any attempt to help Mr Neely? Does not look like it.
What did you expect? Somebody takes a video rather than rising to protect anyone. That is where we are today.
Nope, because we are becoming a nation of narcissistic pussies. More intent on filming the terrorized rather than helping them.
Thank God there are still people like this Marine and the two other folks who were willing to come to the aid of vulnerable people being terrorized by pieces of shit.
And make no mistake. This homeless person was clearly a crazed POS.
Yeah, the former 'president' and all of his enablers/supporters springs to my mind!
I get it, she is a socialist who wants to spend other peoples money without having a clue that eventually you run out of other peoples money to spend. Thanks for pointing out what an idiot she is. And you didn't even have to point out how she constantly says stupid things every time she opens her mouth like stopping cows from farting will help push back the end of the world which is less than 10 years away according to her.
This seed is about AOC not MTG.
That said whenever is see folks who use three or more names I always suspect mental illness.
John Wilkes Booth, John Wayne Gacy, Lee Harvey Oswald, James Earl Ray, AOC and MTG …..
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You know the routine. When you can't contribute anything to the article post memes and deflect.
This seed isn’t about me.
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OK... I got nothin'. This isn't getting any better.
This is what happens when you stop defending the community and allow crazy people to run amok. The community will take steps to protect itself. Defunding the police means you end up with either vigilante justice or organized crime policing the streets in exchange for protection money. Something will fill the vacuum when police no longer police.
The commuters who had to defend themselves should never have been in that situation, and that guy who'd been arrested 40 plus times for harassing people should not have been free to continue harassing people. Tragedy is the foreseeable result.
The medical examiner has ruled Jordan Neeley's death a homicide be asphyxiation, though it may have been an unintentional or justified murder...
I am pretty sure it would be a justified homicide and not a justified murder.
Just gotta love it when liberals start whining about each other.
How refreshing!
yeah, that hardly ever happens in the coup club clan... /s
I know nothing of your social groups, don't try recruiting me as I don't join dumbfuck groups.
uh, I hate to break it to you... /s
break what exactly.
your preferred social groups?
lol
They better be careful or they will lose their woke cards.
Some on the far left don't have originality, so they are trying to co-opt "woke" and make it a "MAGA extremist" thing.
And we wait for the story to unfold before passing judgement for a reason. The man who was killed was calling a gay dude a f****** and then attacked the man before being choked. Something tells me a few politicians are going to about face and become very silent on this incident.
Lets see the link to that assertion.
Easy. I'm sure you know that Jordan Neely had a long history of mental illness including schizophrenia, and arrests. NYC failed him.
Video (NY Post) ...
I believe he was talking about the day of the homicide.
Dont see a video on that page.
Really? It's a NY Post article from May 5, 2023, and Amiri King's video that was posted on Twitter is in the article.
Try this (Amiri King) via Twitter ...
So that's a good reason to kill him?
Perhaps you should link any of my comments that led you to ask that question. Should I wait for your reply with those links?
Yes, you should wait.