Their biggest Hearing Yet
The anonymous IRS whistleblower's prepared testimony said, "I have a reason to believe that there was gross mismanagement present throughout this investigation, that there was a gross waste of funds relating to the tax dollars spent on investigating this case, and that there was an abuse of authority with DOJ-Tax and the Delaware United States Attorney’s Office."
Link to quote: https://www.aol.com/irs-whistleblowers-testify-house-oversight-145617895.html
Right now a pair of IRS whistleblowers are set to testify before the House Oversight Committee about interference & meddling in the Department of Justice investigation of Hunter Biden. The main witness today will be Gary Shapely. There will be another whose name will be revealed for the first time.
Democrats are expected to try and defame & slander the two whistlebowers.
The Committee Hearing has begun and can be seen on C-Span 3
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It should be an interesting afternoon.
more like another humiliating afternoon for the maga trash in the house...
Trash is as trash does ….
Yet another right wing disinformation campaign initiated by QAnon and fringe blogs.
Seems the originator Martin Aspen doesn't even exist.
The GOP should be embarrassed by these proceedings
False, of course.
I want are readers to pause for a minute and take that in.
Kind of a strange post, wasn't it?
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It was.
The truth?
Ya, you know, the thing the dems avoided like the plague yesterday
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And, they've lived up to their lack of standards. All they've done so far is deflect and distract from the actual topic of the hearing: The Bidens (aka The Biden Crime Syndicate).
Each of them has again displayed that their primary political obsession is former president Trump and their "racism" topics (even to Emmett Till, who was tragically killed nearly 68 years ago!).
Democrats, again, have no interest in facts about the Biden family's crimes, especially those of The Big Guy.
Oh well, Raskin ran into a buzzsaw immediately when he asked if it was common for proecutors to disagree, but was told that wasn't this case. In this case the DOJ put a stopper on it. From then on democrats talked about other things.
Whistleblower X:
“I am risking my career, my reputation, and my casework ... No one should be above the law, regardless of your political affiliation.”
I've had it on for 2 minutes and I can already see this is a nothing burger.
The "new" whistleblowers complaints are about procedure.
This is going nowhere.
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Patience grasshopper
"unethical slow walking"
Is that like the 2 years the DOJ slow walked the investigation of trumps involvement in Jan 6 ?
Trump is off topic John.
Have a good day
I'm just wondering if so called "unethical slow walking" is an anomaly.
Interfering in an investigation certainly is.
Comer: In every major Biden family, administration probe Garland, DOJ ‘has come in and obstructed’
You have told us for 2 years now to be patient, indictments are coming. Blame the BIDEN JD if you are unhappy with the pace.
LOL. How many years should we wait for this one?
As long as it takes.
Yes it would be, the slow walk into former president's case has now timed the investigation and possible trials with the upcoming campaign to thwart him as much as possible with bombshell's and the ultimate October surprise. So also in Trump's case it would be "unethical slow walking", this should've been taken care of immediately to remove Trump from the field of candidates, but now he will get free media coverage again giving him the republican nomination with the democrat hope of burying him before the election giving the republican ticket no one to vote for. So win win for the democrats.
(you may delete mine also since it is also off topic, except for how useful slow walking something can be)
lol
so never then?
so as long as it takes translates to never for you.
what an interesting interpretation of English!
I had a gut feeling, John, that you were going to say something like that.
So you believe that Merrick Garland never interfered with an investigation he should have recused himself from?
You could have typed that out three weeks ago. There is literally no evidence or testimony imaginable that would stop you from saying that.
Can't see what you refuse to even acknowledge.
That's really all they ever have John, nothingberders!
You've missed the good stuff. Democrats have focused only on Trump and racism. They like that.
The slaveholders are asking 'bout racism - the Biden Crime Family motto of "You ain't Black if you don't vote for me"????
Gettouttahere.
I think when you're talking about $17 million, it's a little more than procedure.
It's impossible to believe Biden didn't receive preferential treatment.
You know and I know he damn well did.
And Joe still claiming he knew nothing--parroting that crap like Sgt. Schultz-- is completely unbelievable.
Not for some liberal lemmings who "see nothing" anywhere at any time if it concerns a Biden.
"There is now a major allegation that Weiss allowed the 2014 and 2015 charges in D.C. to expire when he could have either brought charges or agree to an agreement to toll the statute of limitations."
He let Biden take millions in income tax free. That’s undeniable.
and not one word from the left in complaint.
Raskin is so much smarter and sharper than Comer its not even funny.
is a giant douche.
Now it is at least accurate!
He didn't even know IRS policy
Raskin? Schiff's second in the Russian collusion hoax.
He lost all credibility long ago- except with chronic TDS sufferers it seems.
Raskin seems to have the 'intellect' of an AOC.
None.
Matched by Comer having the intellect of an MTG ... @!@
wow another whataboutism
LoL, what in the Hell do you think these hearings are really about (other than the 'big wish' of finally impeaching Garland)?
I think there is a bottom line to all this that the Republicans conveniently ignore - the prosecutor in the Hunter Biden tax case, which has ended in a plea deal, has accepted and declared that the charging decisions were his and his alone.
The IRS agents can say whatever they want. Unless they have proof that the prosecutor corruptly gave Hunter Biden a break, they have nothing.
The Comer committee should be seeking to speak with the prosecutor directly, but I think they are afraid to hear what he will say.
One needs to spike the kombucha to believe the kambuki.
about how the investigation of Hunter Biden was interfered with.
haven't you kept up?
I think what you conveniently ignore is that either the prosecutor in the case or the AG is lying.
The IRS agents can say whatever they want. Unless they have proof that the prosecutor corruptly gave Hunter Biden a break, they have nothing.
Do you really believe what you are saying?
Why not just admit that you could care less what Joe or Hunter might have done?
Reskin is a poor mans Comer ….
After listening to this for a half hour it is obvious that the "whistleblowers" do not agree with the prosecutorial decisions made by the Trump appointed federal prosecutor.
A nothingburger.
You can repeat that nothingburger all you want but it won't change the facts that the Biden JD fucked up.
One of them is a democrat John and btw one of the KEY charges is that the federal prosecutor did not have a free hand.
How blind are we going to be?
Some children believe plugging your ears and shouting "nuh-uh" is effective debate.
How blind are you is the question.
Tell me?
To the truth?
Bingo!
Bango
Bongo
Nope, it’s a Bidenburger.
I like both of these whistleblowers. They aren't afraid to correct the dirty dems.
Ziegler began by detailing the payments to Hunter and his companies from foreign sources at $17 million. He also just put Jamie Raskin in his place: They were supposed to charge Hunter with a felony as a matter of policy.
And wasn't Hunter supposed to register as a foreign agent? Millions from foreign companies to buy access and he doesn't even have to register?
Oh ya, that's the crime that most people can easily walk away from by simply agreeing to register. Yet they sent Manafort to jail for a zillion years for it. They want to disqualify a whistleblower for failing to register. How many in DC do this and are not registered?
Probably not too many who collect MILLIONS from foreign companies and governments, like Hunter and the other Bidens.
That law is enforced according to who you are and your party affiliation.
2 years to a zillion years is but a 'slight' exaggeration. @!@
Judge Amy Berman Jackson, an Obama apointee tacked on another 43 months in prison. In the end he got 7.5 years.
The punishment should fit the crime.
yet we know the Biden Family raked in millions and nary a one registered as a foreign agent.
DeSantis's hero of the time pardoned him. He only served 2.
Yeah, should have gotten more jail time.
So how much time should Hunter get for the same offense?
It's amazing. Somehow policy went out the window time after time in Biden's favor and the Democrat response is "nothing to see here."
Thinking about it. It's amazing is wrong. Of course Democrats say "nothing to see here". it's amazing would only apply to those who expect fair handedness.
Miraculous "coincidences" seemingly are something the Bidens are very familiar with.
What a stretch of miraculous coincidences--all in the Bidens' favor!
Wowza!
Raskin got destroyed on that one.
By his own standards, Raskin is an election denier who should be in jail for trying to overthrow an election.
Anyone who thinks Joe Biden knew NOTHING of any of his son's and family's business dealings are gullible pawns.
Anyone who thinks Hunter got the same treatment as others would have have lost their damn minds.
It's impossible to defend on the merits . So now it's just saying "it happened" and therefore it's fine. As if the tarnished result retroactively makes everything okay.
Yep, most parents know nothing of their kids business ventures.
Hardly at all. /S
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Because the FBI/DOJ have shown how utterly unbiased they are when it comes to non Establishment figures. It isn't like the FBI used the Steele dossier they knew was bogus to get FISA warrants to spy on Trump. They didn't openly state they were trying to entrap Flynn; and then repeatedly doctored the notes on his testimony until it said what they wanted. Have agents that openly used government emails stating they wanted to remove Trump from office on multiple investigations.
The FBI/DOJ is a paragon of virtue that has yet to identify the Dobbs decision leaker; find and prosecute even one of the far left domestic terrorists involved with arson/vandalism/intimidation of religious organizations involved with providing prenatal care and aid to women (They even did the courtesy of spray painting their names on the walls; but Garland said they couldn't get anywhere because the attacks occurred at night and it was dark); and now they have the cocaine being found in the White House (the third time illegal drugs have been found there since 2022) in their court. That will be filed in the circular bin along with any other investigations that might damage Brandon or his family.
I remember when leftists questioned everything about big government; now they are big government and think everyone must bow down to their will. What does it feel like to support "Big Brother"?
Anybody who believes that this whole Biden persecution is anything more than a QAnon wet dream initiated by a man who doesn't even exist is foolish in the extreme.
Yet more lies and innuendo is all the far-right wing has.
Said no one truthfully ever.
Do the research.
Just provide the links to your wild conspiracy site.
I am not looking for whackadoodle websites catering to the least informed, I'll leave that for you.
Maybe you should start by Googling Martin Aspen.
Is he the guy who forced the Bidens to take millions of dollars from foreign companies and governments trying to buy access to Joe?
Joe and Jill Biden's taxes are public going back 30 years. If you had any proof the had any unreported income you would have them, the Bidens. You have nothing!
Look, I know Joe isn't the brightest bulb but even he isn't stupid enough to declare bribes as income.
I am amazed by how many people are still foolish enough to believe Joe "knew nothing" despite his Sgt. Schultz impression.
Key word -- allegedly 'trying' to buy access but they didn't gain that access.
They never do jbb.
Because somebody doing something illegal, like, I don't know, taking a bribe, would claim it on their taxes.
Do you not know what this is all about? Seriously? You have no idea what these hearings are all part of?
Millions of foreign company and foreign government money flowed to the Biden Family.
I can't stop you from thinking they picked Hunter's name at random and decided to shower millions on the Bidens out of the goodness of their hearts.
Wrong as facts have proven, but I know you aren't interested in them.
You can't possibly know that.
I don’t know how likely, but the both might have understood the need for plausible deniability and agreed to never discuss his foreign trips and business. Although they traveled together to China in 2013 and 10 days later, Hunter was a board member of a newly created equity fund.
Al Capone, Nicolas Cage, Heidi Fleiss, Sinbad, Wesley Snipes, Willie Nelson, Martha Stewart, Pete Rose, Richard Hatch, Marc Anthony, and many more, have been charged and have gone to jail for NOT REPORTING INCOME OR PAYING TAXES ON SAID UNREPORTED INCOME.
FYI - bribes are "usually" considered "unreported income".
Why do you have such a hard time understanding that BASIC tenet - you receive it, don't report it and don't pay taxes on it, YOU ARE VIOLATING FEDERAL LAW.
Little Crime Family Biden is getting ready to spend a lot of time away from their public - and I hope it's soon.
How ludicrous.
Prove it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
and how would you propose he do that?
SOP
Not true.
So true cj
thanks for the blueanon perspective.
Did you see how MTG - Large Marge - had nude pictures of Hunter Biden that she presented at a congressional hearing, for what reason no one knows?
Someone has now labeled Hunter - big Hunter - or something like that - now I know why they're so obsessed with Hunter - they're jealous!
MTG wants him bad.
They're just jealous actually of Hunter because they know they don't 'measure up'
lol
Nice opening statement from the witness:
I fell asleep watching this thing. Has anything happened?
MTG waved porn pics of Hunter ... she must be mad about the ad just released. Go back to bed, there will surely be an additional baker's dozen of these 'hearings' as they gear up to their real goal of impeaching Garland which they will save for June-July next year ... for one of those 'black swan' pre-election surprise moments.
" a lot of allegations, no proof, no receipts"
Dem questioner
Its truly amazing how dishonest the Dem reps were. They have no sense of shame, knowing their chorus will simply parrot whatever absurd pervasions of reality they put out there.
How these people ever dare criticize hardcore Trump defenders is beyond me. There's no difference between them.
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The Bidens dragged themselves down through their own actions.
Stop blaming others for Biden mistakes.
Sounds like pure projection to me. It's right on the money regarding the former 'president'.
Nutcase MTG held up a poster board today with the image of a naked Hunter Biden on it.
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Speaking of nut cases, last week Joe Biden called Zalensky "Vladimir."
Wow. Zelenskyy's ( actual spelling - also, Zelensky or Zelenskiy) first name is "Volodymyr", which is the Ukrainian equivalent of "Vladimir". See link:
did the picture come from Hunters laptop that didn't exist?
Vladimir/Volodymyr, the names are not only the same but also homophones. You're squeezing a rock for a drop of water.
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Ooops ... this was actually a reply to Vik er Vic ... or is it Vyk ... aw crap, what's 'is name?
Crikey, my stuff has value? I'm trying so hard not to have any.
lol
Is potato
Why?
and you, sir or madam, are replying to the wrong person.
Yes and I posted a correction @ 14.2.3
ok and?
so how Large Marge get that photo anyway? she's obsessed with big Hunter. wants him bad!
jealous aren't you?
The former 'president' thought Hunter should get the death penalty. Sounds familiar, hmmmm, Central Park 5 ring a bell?
Exactly, weren’t they those nice, innocent black kids that were screwed by the structural racism of the NYPD, the DA, local media and the NYC jury?
They were innocent. What the fuck are you talking about?
Who is the former "president" you keep referring to?
William Henry Harrison of course. Who else could she possibly be referring to?
Pretty sure he was a president and not a "president ". But thanks for trying to help her/him.
I'm referring to #45, I don't feel that he ever earned it or was truly 'president' hence the quotes.
I know. We all know who you were referring to. RdtC also knew.
Okey dokey
I said that they were innocent in 14.3.1 What the fuck are you talking about?
They're now calling Hunter - big Hunter - or something like that - thanks to Large Marge - she wants him bad and others are jealous of big Hunter.
They know they'll never measure up.
She probably read about his sex addiction. Is he remaining sober now?
nice sort of summary of what happened today
Anyhoot ... the title of this screed is wrong, it should be 'Their Biggest Herring Yet'.
Republican claims of Biden family ‘corruption’ are being undermined by their own whistleblowers
Two federal law enforcement agents were scheduled to give evidence before the GOP-led House Oversight Committee on Wednesday
By Andrew Feinberg
Jul 19, 2023 07:02 PM
House Republicans ’ efforts to paint President Joe Biden and his family as corrupt influence peddlers are being undermined by the very people they’ve touted as whistleblowers against the Bidens over the first six months of their investigation.
The latest episode in this half-year-long drama was set to air on Wednesday, when a pair of federal law enforcement agents were scheduled to give evidence before the GOP-led House Oversight Committee.
One witness, IRS agent Gary Shapley, has already accused Justice Department and IRS leaders of kneecapping his multi-year probe into Hunter Biden , a lawyer and lobbyist who is set to plead guilty to misdemeanour tax charges in the coming weeks.
Mr Shapley and another still-anonymous law enforcement officer, who the committee is calling “Witness X,” were set to testify before the panel on Wednesday. But the alleged law enforcement whistleblowers who are claiming that political interference on the Bidens’ behalf short-circuited their efforts to bring more serious charges against the president’s son, have already undercut the testimony they were expected to deliver before the House Oversight Committee on Wednesday.
A review of the testimony the witnesses have delivered in transcribed interviews with the House Ways and Means Committee reveals that Department of Justice actions which Mr Shapley attributed to the Biden-era department’s desire to protect the president and his son by slow-walking the probe were either made during the Trump administration or were actually run-of-the-mill decisions by attorneys who were applying department rules or making professional judgments based on applicable case law and the evidence available.
Mr Shapley, a 14-year veteran of the IRS Criminal Investigation division who has alleged that he and his team were removed from the Biden probe to punish him for raising concerns about the pace of the investigation, has already admitted that it is typical for investigating agents to disagree with the decisions of IRS Criminal Tax attorneys, who often recommend that charges not be brought when presented with the evidence that has been gathered against a given subject.
In his private interview with Ways and Means in May, he said “90-plus percent of everything that I do in my international tax group” was met with a “nonconcur” recommendation from IRS attorneys, though he added that he and his colleagues often disregard those recommendations either way.
But despite Mr Shapley’s claims that the decisions by IRS and DOJ officials seemed calculated to protect the Bidens, it turns out that much of what he claims was political interference on behalf of the president or his son took place long before Mr Biden’s January 2021 inauguration, during the administration of then-president Donald Trump .
For example, although he has suggested IRS CI officials’ decision in October 2020 — one month before the 2020 presidential election — not to seek a warrant to search a guest house on Mr Biden’s property was meant to protect him, the other GOP whistleblower set to give evidence on Wednesday has said the decision was not only up to the IRS, but also the DOJ tax division, US Attorneys from the Eastern District of Virginia and others.
Mr Shapley’s complaint also ignores a 4 September 2020 directive from Richard Donoghue, then the Acting Deputy Attorney General, instructing the department to “cease and desist of all overt investigative activities due to the coming election,” in keeping with longstanding Justice Department policy prohibiting any overt steps in ongoing investigations within 90 days of a general election if those steps might have an impact on the election.
And even though he repeatedly claimed that political interference was evident in prosecutors’ decision not to seek the warrant even though, in his view, there was sufficient probable cause to obtain it, a February 2020 memorandum from then-attorney general William Barr instructed prosecutors to ensure that department actions did not “unnecessarily advantage or disadvantage a political party or candidate”.
He also did not appear to take into account the IRS Criminal Tax manual, which requires prosecutors to consider “whether the particular evidence at issue can be secured without a search warrant (i.e., whether a search warrant is the ‘least-intrusive means’ to obtain the evidence)” and “whether there is a reasonable need for the evidence (i.e., whether the case can be investigated and prosecuted with other evidence, with no significant delay in completing the investigation and no significant diminution in the likelihood of conviction)” in cases involving the property of attorneys, public officials or political candidates.
What’s more, even the anonymous whistleblower who the GOP panel billed as “Whistleblower X” denied that the decisions cited by Mr Shapley had political motivations when questioned behind closed doors.
In a transcribed interview, he told committee members that the department’s approach to the Hunter Biden probe never changed when Mr Trump left office and Mr Biden was sworn in.
“I have never seen that, and I would have reason to hope to believe that that wouldn’t happen. And I have no indication that it was because of a change of administration,” he said.
Instead, Mr X said the slow approach to investigations was typical of the Delaware US Attorney’s office, which since 2017 has been headed by Trump appointee David Weiss.
“[T]hat U.S. Attorney’s Office . . . they love to slow-walk things. It’s very common in that office,” he said.
In a portion of his opening statement for the Wednesday hearing that was obtained by The Independent, Oversight Committee Ranking Member Jamie Raskin said he expected both men to testify about “apparent confusion and misunderstandings which embittered them toward Mr. Weiss as he reviewed the evidence and then made the ultimate decision about how, when, and where to charge Hunter Biden”.
Mr Raskin also pointed out that according to the testimony both witness have already given, the only thing they can credibly allege is “disagreements and frustrations with their supervisors,” not “political interference”.
“There’s no evidence that President Biden has involved himself in any way in the investigation into his own son, an investigation that’s been overseen by Trump’s appointed US Attorney. No matter what my GOP colleagues say … there is no evidence that Hunter Biden has received any kind of official favouritism in this prosecution for being Joe Biden’s son,” he said.
In a statement, White House spokesman Ian Sams slammed the GOP for “wasting time on politically-motivated attacks on a Trump-appointed U.S. Attorney, the rule of law, and the independence of our justice system”.
“There are real issues Americans want us to be spending our time on, and President Biden believes we can work together to make real progress, if House Republicans would make an effort instead of constantly staging partisan stunts to try to damage him politically. President Biden has upheld his commitment that this matter would be handled independently by the Justice Department, under the leadership of a Trump-appointed U.S. Attorney,” he said.
what kind of person can deny that the Biden Family received vast sums of money from foreign governments and companies in an influence-buying scheme?
A truthful and sane and decent person.
More like lemmings and sheep and close minded persons.
Actually, more like projection, deflection, and denial, your usual
Goober likes that his Bidenettes are making excuses for him and his boy.
Bigly!
In Conclusion:
Yesterday we heard from two of the IRS top investigators. The cream of the crop. We learned that Hunter Biden got special treatment and the plea deal that Hunter Biden ultimately got was not what federal investigators recommended. These senior IRS agents believed Hunter Biden was supposed to be charged with a felony, not a misdemeanor. Joseph Ziegler, who was only known as whistleblower X before yesterday, is the man who handled most of the Hunter Biden case at the IRS.
We also learned via a question from rep Dan Goldman (which I'm sure he regrets) that Joe Biden knew of his son's business activity and most likely benefited from it. We also discovered that the Joe Biden election/transition team somehow got involved in the investigation. We learned that Biden's DOJ delayed the investigation and divulged a lot of the information from it to the transition team. They also divulged information to Hunter Biden's lawyers and tipped them off before the search of the northern Virgia storage unit took place. Finally, it was the same DOJ under Merrick Garland that allowed the statute of limitations to run out on the tax violations (2014, 15, & 16) which were the more serious of Hunter's tax violations.
Whitness Ziegler pointed out that there was so much intimidation at the time that he felt afraid in doing his job and in asking any question that might involve Joe Biden or the presidential campaign.
Democrats at the hearing found early on that they couldn't discredit the witnesses, so they resorted to speeches discrediting the committee. Other than C-Span and Fox News, the hearing barely covered by the msm.
Out of hundreds of thousand IRS agents the gop found only two who felt Hunter was too gently prosecuted for paying his taxes late, but zero new evidence of wrongdoing by Hunter was exposed. There was no new evidence of additional crimes by Hunter Biden and nothing at all actually linked to the President.
How many IRS agents do you think were working this investigation?
They had a small team of agents. The head of the team and one of the top members both came forward. Looks like more of that team now will follow and testify.
Democrats loved whistleblowers; even ones that only had second or third hand accounts. These whistleblowers were a part of the Hunter Biden investigation team. They listed the amounts of money the Biden family has received from foreign entities through LLC's. They weren't allowed to question family members or key Hunter business associates. They weren't even allowed to question Hunter Biden!
All Democrats have is slander and denial. How much more is it going to take for leftists to admit they elected a real criminal (and his family) to the nations highest office?
Yes, when those close to powerful people unfairly gain from access to power, like the Trump's kids and Clarence Thomas's wife and Hunter have, it surely does stink of influence peddling, but it is not illegal...
Yesterday's gop show hearing provided no new evidence of crimes by Hunter Biden and zero evidence of wrongdoing by The President of the United States of America.
It was your typical gop "Nothing Berder".
Like Trump's "hamberder" without meat!
Hundreds of thousands of IRS agents were not working on the case. These men were.
Yesterday you had no problem equating 2 years with a trillion years.
Neither identified any crimes of Hunter Biden except those he has plead guilty to and has suffered the consequences of. They provided zero evidence of criminal activity by the President. Their complaint was the Hunter hadn't been investigated as quickly or charged as severely as they personally believed he should have been, through his punishment was, "Normal". Anyone who expected new evidence of crimes from their testimony was sorely disappointed. As bad as it may look. It remains legal for the family and friends of high office holders to work for and to earn money from foreign businesses and even governments. So, let's be honest...
Lol Everything you said is wrong. He did not register as a foreign agent, he didn't pay taxes for his Burisma income and he has not been sentenced yet.
Their complaint was the Hunter hadn't been investigated as quickly or charged as severely
They weren't allowed to investigate or charge as procedure demanded , saw Hunter Biden tipped off before a search and the DOJ allowed an SOL to expire for no reason to avoid charging Hunter Biden.
That's the opposite of normal.
Wherever do you get your numbers? In 2021, the entire IRS work force was less than 100,000,
Special agents that investigate potential financial crimes for possible referral to the Department of Justice numbered 2000 and are based around the country and in eleven other countries.
Are you sure I said a "trillion?'