The "defenders of democracy."
Link to Quote: AG Garland speaks after Trump indictment | Watch (msn.com)
Yesterday, one day after it was revealed that Joe Biden had spoken via speakerphone to Hunter Biden's business associates on at least 20 occasions came yet another barrage of indictments of former President Donald Trump. This is no coincidence. Trump indictments usually immediately follow corruption revelations involving Joe Biden. This is the third time it has happened. On this occasion the prosecutor in charge of the case has a long devious legal history of stretching statutes beyond the breaking point. This latest indictment involved 4 counts: conspiracy to defraud the United States, conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding, obstruction of an attempt to obstruct an official proceeding, and conspiracy against rights.
Jack Smith: The prosecutor whom the SCOTUS once reversed by a count of 9 - 0).
The problem with the Jack Smith indictment is that it seems to be criminalizing political speech and professes to know what Donald Trump was thinking and attempts to make it some kind of crime for someone to accept a unique legal theory such as the one John Eastman offered to Donald Trump. To top it all off, it is yet another investigation being conducted by another Trump hating partisan hack working for Merrick Garland. When the indictment was announced by Smith, he seemed nervous and self-conscious. Do you think people know when they are doing evil things?
Smith is looking for a quick trial. One can only assume the Trump defense will file two initial motions:
1) to dismiss the case on the grounds that Trump is protected via the First Amendment
2) to ask for a change of venue. A trial via a DC jury conducted by an Obama appointed radical judge would equal a blind conviction.
If the trial is held in DC with the Obama judge it will result in conviction... and it will also result in being easily overturned upon appeal.
The results of trial and appeals are a long way off, most likely after the 2024 election. The point of the exercise by our "defenders of democracy" are simply to keep charging Trump with everything under the sun so that no independent voter would vote for him. The 2024 election will be decided by independents. The New York Times recently conducted a poll showing that despite all the negative coverage our leftist media is using against Trump, the election is equally divided with 43% for Trump and 43% for Biden.
Trump and Biden running neck and neck in 2024, Siena/NYT poll finds (yahoo.com)
That brings us back to Monday and the "defenders of democracy" defense of Joe Biden's interaction with Hunter's business associates. On Monday, believe it or not, the House had a private, closed door session with one of Hunter Biden's closest business partners. That is where we learned that Joe was on the speaker phone with Hunter's business associates...at least 20 times.
Rep Dan Goldman: former prosecutor, partisan hack and defender of Joe Biden
President Biden didn’t talk business with his son’s business associates but rather discussed “the weather or whatever,” Manhattan and Brooklyn Rep. Daniel Goldman claimed Monday after former Hunter Biden partner Devon Archer admitted that the then-vice president was frequently patched in to meetings involving the now-first son.
Goldman, a member of the House Oversight Committee who was the lead attorney for Democrats’ bid to impeach then-President Donald Trump in 2019, emerged from Archer’s four-hour deposition on Capitol Hill and confirmed that the former Burisma Holdings board member had recalled “approximately 20 occasions” on which Hunter, now 53, would ask his father to say “hello” during business meetings.
“There were niceties. And there was a hello. And [they] talked about the weather or whatever it was,” Goldman stressed, “but it was never any business.”
Goldman then went a step further and claimed that the number of calls involving the Biden family’s overseas colleagues was linked to Beau Biden’s death from brain cancer at age 46 in 2015.
Dan Goldman: Biden 'talked about the weather' with Hunter partners (nypost.com)
We are so fortunate to have the hands of the "defenders of democracy" on the scale of justice, heavily influencing both investigations. The one the FBI/DOJ sat on and the one the DOJ's prosecutors act upon like rabid dogs. Just like the Russia/hoax it is really quite obvious.
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“It’s really important to remember that during this time period that we’re talking about here, Beau Biden, Hunter Biden’s brother, and President Biden’s son, became very ill with cancer and died,” Goldman said. “The witness described in vivid detail about how devastating that was to both Hunter Biden and to Joe Biden, and how their communications picked up dramatically in the aftermath.”
Critics were left gobsmacked by Goldman’s excuses for the first family.
Dan Goldman: Biden 'talked about the weather' with Hunter partners (nypost.com)
Smith is an overzealous, tool. If he were a superhero, which after yesterday it seems he is with MANY here, we shall call him "Stretch Statutesman"
If he were retired, he'd be an analyst for CNN.
Thank you. I started reading the indictment and I will finish tonight or tomorrow.
The diehard enablers/supporters (if they even watch this) in the end will say essentially 'I don't care' and will not be swayed by the truth/facts/what they saw with their own eyes.
sorry, I would've commented earlier, but I couldn't stop laughing. then I spent the afternoon listening to the pundits on xtian nationalist radio freak out with self righteous indignation. I had no idea that fomenting sedition was a 1st amendment right. it was hilarious. lucky for trump that he owns a jet. gee, I sure hope that mark levin doesn't blow a gasket on air. /s
That is totally inconsistent with march peacefully.
Are you still laughing?
Uncontrollable laughter can be a symptom of Pseudobulbar Affect (PBA). Pseudobulbar affect typically occurs in people with certain neurological conditions or injuries, which might affect the way the brain controls emotion.
You might want to get this checked out soonest.
Same here dev! Regarding the laughter that is. Why haven't they taken the former 'president's' passport and why isn't he behind bars now???
I am still laughing,
Because we still have the last vestiges of the rule of law.
he should've been jailed to await trial as soon as they discovered he moved/held back classified documents...
No, we’ve moved beyond that old, conservative lock em up before trial. You need to think progressive.
Ya!
One has to take into consideration that these same people called the riots after a drug user overdosed "peaceful protests". So it's only natural that they couldn't get the definition right then that they would fuck it up now.
The vice president was promoting funding to get those murderous rioters out of jail.
Then the dipshit tried denying it.
You are correct. This is no coincidence. This has nothing to do with the former 'president' finally being taken to account for planning and inciting 1/6.
It has been a 6-year effort.
he's been a criminal nearly 10 times that long...
Trump's life of crime is a matter of public record.
In other words, all one has to do is keep investigating him to nail him?
That certainly has been the strategy!
Odd that none of that come up during the many investigations the Democrats run against him. Wonder why.
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One would think that after 7 years of investigating everything, they would have found SOMETHING. But so far we have zero. Just hurt feelings of the left and Democrats.
They haven't slowed down one bit.
See comment 1.1.2
Cant articulate it yourself I see.
They should start working as writers for hollywood. it all is about the same level of fiction.
He planned it and incited it?
PROVE IT
I dont know about "planning" the activities of Jan 6th. He probably isnt smart enough to do any planning.
He did instigate it though, or what do you think he was doing in the preceding weeks when he told his supporters to come to DC on Jan 6 because "it will be wild"?
Incited it? Of course.
I hate to rub it in but we can know that Trump wanted the riot to happen, and encouraged it , by what he did once it started - nothing.
He was mesmerized watching it on tv, and was happy that the mob was trying to prevent the electoral vote on his behalf.
Sadly John, unless you can prove specific intent you will eventually lose.
And I hate to rub it in, but Obama just warned all of them to never underestimate the support they are generating for Donald Trump.
The only thing that can save Trump is if they get a MAGA on the jury that will perform jury nullification.
Nothing. That has been the sum of the evidence against him in all this. Uneless you bought into the altered evidence shown by the pack of partisan hacks during the DC Version of The View.
How about a jury that is not a rabid anti-Trump jury?
How about a judge that is not an Obama appointed anti-Trump judge?
Better still, why didn't Biden's AG recuse himself from all of this?
Well the former 'president' is a fucking moron and doesn't have the ability to plan something like this - others did, like Eastman, you are correct on that John.
But he did indeed incite it in his rambling incoherent 'speech' about how the election was stolen from him, after many weeks of saying it was stolen and his lies and collecting millions for his stop the steal campaign.
"Go in peace."
Is what he said
how about the trump appointed judge on his classified document case, and all the trump appointed judges that have shot down his countless lawsuits and attempts at judicial stalling?
why don't at least 3 SCOTUS judges do the same?
Maybe we should disqualify all judges appointed by Trump, Obama and Biden? Deal?
why don't at least 3 SCOTUS judges do the same?
Because they aren't prosecuting political opponents nor are they investigating their bosses son.
What is it...78 Counts now?
“I NEED ONE MORE INDICTMENT TO ENSURE MY ELECTION,” Trump joked on Truth Social Thursday morning.
And each one with more problems than the last.
'Go in peace' is what he said Six hours after the riot started at the Capitol.
Again, no coincidence.
It's about damn time!!!!!!!!!!
The riot that he incited which Smith cleverly worded in the indictment by wording to the effect of 'publicly stating what he knew was not true'
Yeah, families don't talk, don't grieve, after losing a beloved family member/brother/son.
They're throwing shit against the wall to see what would stick. And so far, nothing's stuck.
You would think that by now Joe Biden would be towering over Trump in any poll matching the two in a repeat of 2020.
People are realizing what a failure they elected in the 2020 election.
They've been through hell for almost 3 years. I would hope they learned their lesson.
The former 'president's' supporters/enablers love their criminals!
He is the biggest criminal of them all!
Stop talking about your boy blue, Biden, like that.
The liberal hive objects to such talk …..
In China they may soon be calling Joe Biden "the gang of one."
You mean other than being the world's biggest asshole?
A majority of the former 'president's' supporters/enablers are criminals themselves.
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Yep, double secret ignore ….. understood tessy
Still on ignore
Without his money, he would be in prison many years ago.
Did you plan and incite a failed coup/insurrection? Show classified/top secret information to every Tom, Dick, and Putin? Try to overturn a free and fair election?
What does that mean JJ?
They're after you? For what?
Nice talking points. Now the question is - can you back them up? Or are you going to fail at that just like everybody else on the left?
You, meaning all of us. And full unbridled control that's what.
No, not me, not anyone, certainly NOT US.
ALL OF US?
LOL
Like TG said, I'm so scared!
All far right wingers are in the way of reality.
You never explained, because you cannot, how they're after 'you' - 'all of us'
What does that mean 'full unbridled control' and whose talking point was it?
Next time Biden's criminality gets attention Jake Smith will indict Trump for treason the next day.
That there's no special counsel looking into the Bidens is indefensible.
There has been very little coverage of the Biden corruption by the left-wing media.
Jake Smith will indict Trump for treason the next day.
I wonder why he wasn't charged with that here. All that talk about Jan 6th and no mention on incitement. Is Smith that afraid that it would get blown out of the water.
That there's no special counsel looking into the Bidens is indefensible
That is an understatement.
He should be..............
they know their role. Their readers want them to be partisan lap dogs, so they are.
If this happened in 1992, it would be the biggest story of the decade. The Times and Post would be competing for Pulitzers trying to run the story down.
Now they just print whatever press releases the Bidens give them and call it a day.
There is that little fact that the lefties hate: when Trump told them to march peacefully and patriotically to the Capitol.
There was an article on this site yesterday which I didn't get to read until late. It involved the NAACP and black residents of Oakland CA demanding a return to POLICING. Can you imagine that? I sat down to eat and I had the TV on and Fox News had a discussion of it. Jessica Tarlov, who is one of the resident liberals of Fox News, was saying that black residents of Oakland are concerned and want one of their own to do something about it. She quickly added that they are never going to vote Republican. I know she is right: Thus, partisan lap dogs have to endure a lot of crime and be used in every election.
Both Pelosi's J6 professionally staged and bogus House investigation and Jack Smith's most recent indictment somehow forgot to include that important detail.
If by that you mean in comparison to FOX's 24/7 bevy of Biden-bash-fests, of which you are a gleeful partaker, you are correct.
I had no idea you were such an avid watcher of Fox.
Why do you think their ratings are so high.
There was a lot of altered "evidence" presented during Pelosi's version of The View.
FOX is like comedy central up here.
They're the new MSM on the block.
oh, like CNN and MSNBC here!
I didn't know it was allowed "up there."
We actually had someone on here try to prove otherwise by linking to a news account which did post it while pretending it was a transcript from the Jan 6th Committee. You have to watch their every move.
Actually I prefer Trudeau. Did you know he is now separated?
Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau on Wednesday announced that he and his wife Sophie are separating after 18 years of marriage.
Trudeau made the announcement in an Instagram post .
"Sophie and I would like to share the fact that after many meaningful and difficult conversations, we have made the decision to separate," Trudeau wrote.
Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, wife of 18 years announce separation | Fox News
I don't know what is so meaningful about Sophie claiming to find a real man, but there you go!
Why should he be afraid?
It sounds like it is the CONServatives who are afraid.
That never happened.
Here in America, we haven't yet criminalized thought.
Isn’t that what a ‘hate’ crime is?
I couldn't care less.
I think J K Rowling would agree.
If Biden and his Department of INjustice are successful, it will become reality.
There is no Biden corruption, that's why.
The Biden crime syndicate…. Second only to Clinton hit team.
Nixon was a rookie compared to those two ….
You're still on ignore
Why do you persist?
Only far right wing fascism should be investigated.
Sounds like the mantra of the Southern Poverty Law Center.
That's the only place to find them, on the right/gop/gqp/CONServative side.
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Looking into President Biden for WHAT?
I believe those were planted but President Biden didn't obstruct/conceal/move/order evidence to be destroyed - everything was returned as soon as discovered unlike the former 'president'
PLANTED?
Yeah like just about everyone has access to the garage.
I know, I’m still belly laughing that one off …. the delusion is real my friend.
Very real.
Like at Mar-A-Lardo? Where the former 'president' had them in his bathroom, a ballroom, in a 'storage room' that every Tom, Dick, and Putin has seen?
See you just lost your argument. If every Tom, Dick, and Putin have seen them, those INDEED could have been planted.
All of the documents that were 'discovered' at Biden's China/ U Penn office and at Biden private residences were from the decades when he was a senator and VP. During that time, Biden did not have a constitutional right to remove and keep those documents. It's no different than what Hillary did with what she stole, kept, and destroyed.
No, the former 'president' showed them to anybody and everybody. Nothing was planted at Mar-A-Lardo.
You don't tell your IT/security people to delete security footage if you're innocent.
You lost, not me. I don't back a monumental POS.
Whatever, who cares?
Ya got nothin', never had, never will.
You're still talking about the Biden classified documents, I thought you were talking about the former 'president' POS.
Ya got nothin' on President Biden, never have, never will.
Nothing was planted in Biden's fucking garage either yet here you are.................and you seem to have a misconception of win and lose. Very few could have gotten into the garage. NO PLANT. Supposedly, anybody and everybody could get into the rooms in Mar-A-Largo therefore, possibility of a plant. See we all can spew conspiracy theories.
You mean Joe's DE garage where his Corvette is? The same garage that Hunter and his young women had access to when Hunter drove that Corvette out of ... and into ... that garage? (Photos available on the Internet for anyone who either denies or questions the veracity of this comment.)
No, you have the misconception, not me.
Nothing was planted at Mar-A-Lardo.
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Just as only an idiot would even try to make the claim that everything was planted in the garage.
You're on ignore also JRNC
Continue
Think it's so friggin' funny how the "findings", that were -
1. Penn Biden Center: Nov. 2, 2022; and
2. Garage at Biden's Wilmington, Delaware residence: Dec. 20, 2022; and
3. Room at Biden's Wilmington, Delaware residence: Jan. 12; and
4. Room at Biden's Wilmington, Delaware residence: Jan. 14; and
5. Biden's Wilmington, Delaware residence: Jan. 21
and we have heard nothing from the Biden Crime Family's DOJ appointed Robert Hur.
Planted? Oh yeah - right in his face when he "forgot" and brought them to those locations. Sadly, there are probably more but, as long as the DOJ is handling it, no one will ever know.
Bidens seem to have a habit of losing items they are responsible for. Biden misplaces TS and secret documents, His daughter loses her diary documenting abuse by Joe and Hunter leaves his coke in the library at the Whitehouse.
You’ve put yourself on ignore?
Impressive!
Yet you continue to respond.
When his folk noticed it he turned them in.
Biden had no idea that they even existed.
There is no such thing as the Biden crime family, you're confused, that's the former 'president's' deal - a thug worse than the mafia.
Has Hunter visited the White House?
There was no abuse of his daughter.
That's about as pathetic excuse as saying they were planted.
After they found a classified document in his personal library at his home in Delaware and the best the partisans can come up with is they were planted? LMAO
There are none so blind as those who will not see.
That's the mentality of the Bidenites.
If it is legal for trump to do it, it was legal for Biden to do it.
How about Biden taking bribes and selling influence?
Never happened.
That's what the Black Sox said too!
Yep and it follows that if it was illegal for Trump, it was also illegal for Biden …..
Shoeless Joe Biden …..
Proof? Naw, the radicalized right wing extremists don't like facts.
Exactly.
Comer uncovered the money trail. He also uncovered that the IRS lead investigaters were limited in their investigation of Hunter Biden. Most recently we learned that Joe Biden was in on at least 20 phone calls with Hunter's business associates.
Those are facts whether you accept them or not.
I expect there will be more and it will be a slow methodical process. The FBI isn't going to make it easy. A lot of this has been well hidden.
In the meantime, to anyone over the age od 5 years old, it is quite obvious that Joe Biden was selling influence and his DOJ is corrupt.
have you even read the pertinent parts of the hearing transcript? or watched anything credible in the media? if you had you'd know that this is another humiliating republican debacle. GOPers are running out of time to fix the 2 big issues they ran on in 2022, the price of gas and groceries. it might be a good idea to put up some accomplishments that affect the independent voters they need to perpetuate their myth as defenders of our constitutional republic.
Joe fixed it all, remember? "Inflation is just temporary".
You know this how?
Doesn’t. But joe doesn’t know it’s 2023
LOL. Before it was anyone over the age of 10 - now it's 5 - is that the former 'presidents' mental age and that of his supporters/enablers?
And Donny doesn't know how to spell, "2023".
Wit a minute.
We were told Bidenomics has fixes all of these things.
Were we lied to? s/
Oh,please let it happen. That would be so funny.
Almost as funny as you trying to read and comprehend a simply constructed sentence.
Trump is guilty of Treason.
Is that the Bull Shit you spoke of?
I guess some of trump's "firsts" are a bit difficult to swallow, huh?
Judging by the chronic TDS coming from the left it must be.
Especially when he pounded sand up the chosen ones rear end in 2016.
I hear that hotel room will never be the same …..
Truth - as with all the fake electors.
What happened to it?
People who are innocent don't tell their employees to delete security footage.
PD&D
She didn't. That's just right wing propaganda.
Have never put anybody on ignore but you might be the first..
Not even shure how ignore works .
Hover over their avatar and it gives you the option to friend - ignore - or mark.
You have Hillary Clinton/Clinton Derangement/Deflection Syndrome
She ordered. Kind of like inciting evidence destruction.
When I'm there, will make you a friend.
Fake news.
wrong of course.
Why do you think I will read your useless links which will not point out what you allege?
If you bothered to read the latest indictment - I doubt you did - the former 'president' spills the beans on the alleged evidence destruction by Hillary
Why do you endlessly defend the indefensible and make endless idiotic comments?
"Special Counsel Jack Smith said Tuesday that he wants Americans to read his latest indictment on former President Donald Trump, but his critics want them to read the Supreme Court's stinging reversal of his last major political corruption case.
"Today an indictment was unsealed, charging Donald J. Trump with conspiring to defraud the United States, conspiring to disenfranchise voters and conspiring and attempting to obstruct an official proceeding," Smith said during the press conference . "The indictment was issued by a grand jury of citizens here in the District of Columbia and it sets forth the crimes charged in detail. I encourage everyone to read it in full."
Critics of Smith are urging Americans to read another court file: the reversal of Smith's bribery conviction of former Virginia GOP Gov. Robert McDonnell a few years earlier.
McDonnell was prosecuted by Jack Smith for violating federal bribery law, which resulted in the United States Supreme Court overturning the conviction unanimously.
After the former governor was convicted by the Justice Department's Public Integrity Section run by Smith, the Supreme Court unanimously ruled 8-0 that McDonnell did not violate any bribery laws, even if his actions weren't in great taste.
“There is no doubt that this case is distasteful; it may be worse than that. But our concern is not with tawdry tales of Ferraris, Rolexes, and ball gowns. It is instead with the broader legal implications of the Government’s boundless interpretation of the federal bribery statute,” Chief Justice Roberts wrote in the court's opinion . “A more limited interpretation of the term ‘official act’ leaves ample room for prosecuting corruption, while comporting with the text of the statute and the precedent of this Court.”
McDonnell said during an interview on "Life, Liberty & Levin" that he believes Smith and his prosecutors "got the law wrong" when it came to his case.
"That stretch was exceptionally painful; three-and-a-half years from the investigation until we got the unanimous vindication by the U.S. Supreme Court. I knew in my heart from the very beginning – I'm a lawyer, obviously, looking at the law and the facts – that these charges were completely wrong," he said during the interview, according to Fox News .
"And yet they persisted and pulled the trigger and the indictments started. And of course, they've got all the investigators. They got all the money; they've got the access to The Washington Post through multiple leaks," McDonnell continued.
When it came to the prosecution of Trump, McDonnell alleged Smith would "rather win than get it right."
"I think he doesn't do an honest look at the law to see if the facts apply to the law," McDonnell stated.
Trump was indicted as part of a special counsel Jack Smith's federal grand jury probe into his efforts to challenge the 2020 election results and the former president's role in the subsequent Jan. 6, 2021, Capitol riot.
Trump was charged with four counts, including conspiracy to defraud, conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding, obstruction of, and attempt to obstruct an official proceeding, and conspiracy against rights."
Smith urges Americans to read Trump indictment, others suggest reading reversal of last big case | Just The News
Apparently Smith use a very broad definition of what is an "official action". The SCOTUS' unanimous decision narrows that scope and pushed it back to the 4th Circuit to decide if they have enough to retry.
Just think what would happen without the SCOTUS.
It was Obama that started appointing these crazies and now dumb ass has taken it to a new level!
It would be at a level that would make Kim, Jung un jealous. Especially with the amount of stupid coming from the WH.
He's dead on with this. He brings the integrity of the entire "team" into question. But then again it was all in question from the start.
I'd love to see the prosecutorial misconduct be brought up.
First, we had the joke AG in NYC and now this and always after Biden has a rough day! (Pointed out endlessly on Fox News)
Do they realize how bad this looks?
My God, they are putting Donald Trump right back in the White House!
They don't. Their TDS has them blind.
Just about everyone over the age of ten knows that the US government has been interfering in elections and most specifically to defeat Donald Trump.
and they are still trying to do it.
Only on/among the right/gop/gqp/CONServatives/QANON/whackjob conspiracy theorists
Like the people who think that Biden's documents were planted? That kind of conspiracy theorists?
No.
The former 'president' is guilty as sin.
You all know that but just refuse to believe because you've supported a monumental POS for so long now.
Supported/enabled/defendedtheindefensible
Obama didn't appoint any far right wing fascists.
Just the News is a right wing propaganda site.
This picture of the Just The News Headquarters says it all...
So what you are saying is that you can't dispute the information and decided to throw a hissy fit about the source.
What exactly does it say JBB?
I’m pretty familiar with Washington DC but don’t recognize this spot. How can they afford that for their HQ?
Really? I figured you could see it from your offices ..
It says that our nation's enemies are often the sources of such harmful fake news, disinformation, misinformation, divisive propaganda and harmful content crafted to harm America spread by their willing dupes at Just The News...
No, I can see Arlington National Cemetery and some of Rosalyn from my office.
It says a picture of the Kremlin on a sunny day to me.
That is the Cathedral of St. Basil The Blessed in Moscow . Are you suggesting that the Russian Eastern Orthodox Church is corrupting our news organizations? I'd surely like to see the intel on that...
It's not even the Kremlin, but hey they all look alike eh?
It is also know as "The Kremlin". You never heard if that way?
No shit, you’ve got a good eye, JBB.
Good point, my bad.
Left wing crackpottery ….. nothing more ….. nothing less.
No I have not. It is across Red Square from the Kremlin, but it has never been considered part of the Kremlin.
From your own source :
B old red emphasis mine. While there are other cathedrals in the area designated as "The Kremlin", Saint Basil's Cathedral is across Red Square and to the east, not part of the Kremlin. The following picture best illustrates.
In fact, after Stalin's death, under the program of state atheism the Soviets nearly tore it down in the late 1920s and again in the 1930's because it was in the way of urban planning and military parades around the Kremlin and in Red Square.
Why would anyone watch this ass kisser of the former 'president' for 16 minutes let alone one?
Bribery shmibery - who cares?
This is a link to a high quality computer generated voice reading the Trump indictment from yesterday. Since I know not a one of you Trump apologists has read a word of it, I give you this link as a public service. Listen to enough of this and you may be on the path to being on the brink of knowing what you are talking about.
I thought you were doing a hit & run before. You just wanted to send the right audio service.
I will again attempt to listen to your audio of the indictment.
The first service I tried to use didnt work.
I dont expect anyone to listen to the whole 1 hour and 45 minutes, which is how long it takes to read the indictment out loud. But skim through it and one will get the gist. The case is not simplistic like the MAGA's believe. It is evidence of a conspiracy, which is ILLEGAL. Trump will be convicted. What will the punishment be is anybodys guess. He will be 80 years old by the time his appeals fail, and we generally dont send 80 year olds to prison.
Believe it or not I listened to it. There is a lack of evidence there as well as assumptions about what Trump was thinking and a lot of nonsense about things he said, as if political speech is a criminal offense. One thing along those lines I didn't hear was the most important thing Trump said on Jan 6th: to "peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard."
Why do democrats and their hack prosecutors keep deleting that line?
One more question John:
Where was the news regarding the closed-door hearing involving Hunter Biden's former business partner on CNN or MSNBC?
Because they didn't peacefully nor patriotically 'make their voices heard'
So how can you blame the one who told them to be peaceful????
One thing that is in the indictment is when Trump , in a last ditch effort, reminded Pence there was still time for him to play ball with the Eastman plan. That was at the same Jan 6th speech, about a half an hour before the mob marched on the Capitol. A federal judge has judged the Eastman plan to be , what is the word? oh yeah, ILLEGAL.
Federal judge: Trump and Eastman likely committed crimes in …
Supposition John, pure supposition - NO ONE can verify any of the indictments "reputed" claims. That is what the court is to do and not on what your thoughts want it to be.
SHOW US SOME FACTS JOHN - this road is full of ruts.
Even if you regard Eastman as some kind of crackpot, since when is a legal theory "illegal?" Lawyers, law students and law professors put forth legal theories all the time.
Example # 1: Tyranny of the minority: Liberal law profs urge Biden to defy the courts and the public | The Hill
Do really expect to win that one?
Let's call it devotion to the cause, to be kind.
Because the former 'president' is the one who planned and incited the failed coup/insurrection in the first place you silly goose!
Spot on 1st ….. problem is the delusion is real with some folks.
The “resist” movement has permanently rotted some of their brains.
Incitement is a criminal offence, not speech, so there was no violation of the turd's First Amendment right.
The turd said that AFTER HE TOLD THEM TO FIGHT LIKE HELL
"We can't let this happen. We should march on Washington and stop this travesty. Our nation is totally divided! Let's fight like hell and stop this great and disgusting injustice! The world is laughing at us."
The former 'president'
Sounds like he is talking about himself and his enablers/supporters.
We are laughing at YOU
He told them to 'stop the steal of the election' which was a lie
You should really pay closer attention.
Not only do these show problems in the election that you claim are lies, they also pose a problem to Smith's "indictments".
It's amazing what a quick google search will give you.
Everything that came out of the former 'president''s mouth that day was a lie.
Plus, JRNC - what part of 'you are on ignore' don't you comprehend?
I notice you have no response to comment 8.1.14 because it's true.
I already responed. He told them to march peacefully.
Remember?
Supposition?
Either you didnt read or listen to that speech or didnt recognize what he was doing. Its not even in question.
Did you not read your own link? The first paragraph:
"More likely than not"? Even this judge is running on the same thing you have been - no fact.
Then why do you respond?
He said fight like hell after he told them to march peacefully
Remember?
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How would anyone here know?
was that before or after he told them to "fight like hell or they wouldn't have a country anymore"?
Did I get it backwards?
Didn't the former 'president' say march peacefully before he told them to 'fight like hell or they wouldn't have a country anymore.'?
who cares. he probably said both in the same sentence...
Who cares?
Common term for politicians to say things like this, especially "fight like hell".
It's been pointed out to you, et al, many times now.
Where are the indictments for these leftists?
Is that all you have? PD&D plus defense of the indefensible?
The former 'president' isn't being indicted for saying fight like hell - he's being indicted for publicly stating to his MAGAts known lies about the election being stolen from him causing said MAGAts to slither to the Capitol and their failed coup/insurrection.
You mean links to proof of what you think is a big deal that Trump said something, even though your exalted ones have said the same?
Yea, that's what I have.
Besides bs , what have you ever contributed to this site?
I guess that is an easy way to say :I have absolutely zero clue"
Par
Truth.
Besides bs and lies what have you ever contributed to this site?
Plus the former 'president' is being indicted for lots of other things and the indictment from Georgia is also imminent.
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So you have no clue what.
That wasn't a question.
You have provided proof of absolutely nothing.
I know exactly what I'm talking about.
You, on the other hand.
"That wasn't a question" And? So fucking what?
I read the indictment - both of them - I can't wait to see the next one!
You should read them.
You forgot the s/ after that sentence.
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By far this is not the first time...nor is it the worst.
I'm positive others have gotten the same.
How do I email Perrie?
Ditto
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Oh yeah, numerous times and she’s not the only one.
Angry, small minded people be they.
It’s just sad really …
Taken care of. Maybe you guys can do the same.
Get rid of the nasty.
Meh, my advice is to just ignore em. Don’t give them the satisfaction.
That’s what trolls are looking for.
All these indictments amount to election interference.
Doubt if Trump will be found guilty of any charges.
The investigations started long before trumpy announced he was running for president. Nice try.
For once you are right. The investigations go back to 2016. But it still doesn't negate Greg's statement. We've already seen Democrats involved in election interference once before.
That's one heck of an echo chamber you live in.
Then prove me wrong.
I thought that one of them said the investigations started with a meeting of "clandestine" Russian spies?
They need to get their "facts" straight.,
Because the CIA and the FBI and Interpol and the Mossad would have never noticed or took notes when Trump had at least fifty documented meetings with agents of Vladimir Putin's Russian State Intelligence Services in the years prior to 2016, including Trump's personal relationship with Putin himself?
conjecture is all you have?
The 2016 Russian Interference Probes (Plural) were merely additional aspects of "Ongoing Investigation" into Trump's relationships with known Russian agents a/k/a "Spies"...
Damn that deep state.
Need i remind you again that those 'investigations' resulted in zip?
Nada?
Nothing?
Look I am certainly not a fan of Trump and I would never vote for him or want to see him back in office. but don't you think that if any of what you just posted were true, or if any of those notes provided proof that Trump or his people colluded with Russia to influence the 2016 election that the 22 month long investigation and Mueller Report would have reflected that? How do you come to this conclusion when hundreds of investigators and thousand and thousands of documents and hours of investigation and testimony ended with the finding that:
More HERE.
Perhaps if you could accompany such statements with facts and evidence that those meetings happened and that they were in fact aimed at colluding to influence the election that would be ideal. Until then it just sounds like politically motivated supposition and innuendo, and I really would like to see you win this argument with solid evidence so that Trump doesn't have another shot at the Presidency.
What jbb says is true.
Why do you defend the indefensible?
Excellent! It would be helpful if he could prove it, that's all I was asking. Since you saw fit to chime in, perhaps you can prove it?
What do you think I am defending? I already said that I'd really like JBB to be able to prove it (despite the fact that Mueller's investigation could not) so that Trump doesn't get back in office. The only thing I am wishing to defend is the truth. Show me the truth and I will defend it. Just because Trump is a jackass and a liar doesn't mean that everything someone might say about him or what he did is true. Why wouldn't you defend the truth?
What he said was true,
You're a lost cause.
Everything in the latest indictment is true. Everything in ALL the indictments is true.
Why don't YOU defend the truth?
The ongoing CIA and FBI investigations (plural) of Trump's secretive relationships with known agents of Vladimir Putin's Russian State Intelligence Services were all legally predicated and long predated the 2016 elections. And it was not just our intelligence agencies taking notes. MI6 and Interpol and the GRU and the Israeli Mossad were also monitoring Trump and his businesses for seeking out, meeting with and developing relationships with known Russian agents. The CIA and FBI do not reveal details about ongoing investigations but it is inconceivable that our intelligence agencies were not aware and investigating. This is why John Durham failed so badly. Hell! Trump was in constant negotiations with Vlad Putin himself all the way up to election day in 2016 to build a Trump Tower in Moscow right across the street from the Kremlin! Michael Cohen, Rudy Giuliani and Don Jr have verified it. Trump famously offed Putin a luxury penthouse as a bribe!
If that is not colluding what is? Asking Putin to hack Hillary and the DNC? Meeting with known Russian spies in Trump Tower to ask for election help? Threatening to cut off military aid to Ukraine?
Please stop your disinformation campaign
The latest indictments have to do with his attempts to overturn or call into question the results of the 2022 election. While I am not inclined to equate an indictment with "the truth" (you know that pesky old innocent until proven guilty thing), I saw the evidence with my own eyes and I expect/hope the indictment will render a result not in favor of Trump. This one above all is a MAJOR reason to see to it that he is never re-elected.
However, in the discussion above we were talking about claims made about alleged collusion between Trump's campaign and the Russians running up to the 2016 election. An entirely different subject involving claims of more than 50 meetings with certain Russian state intelligence officials and several foreign and domestic agencies having notes proving that Trump's people colluded with those Russian officials to sway the outcome of the 2016 election. Those claims have not been proved (as is evidenced by the Mueller Report), and not that I have seen since the report, and all I was asking for is to see the proof. Show it to me and I will believe it. Do you mind if I attempt to learn the truth for myself? I certainly wouldn't mind if you did from time to time rather than just repeating things that other people say and belittling those trying to have a discussion about them.
Well maybe so, if your "cause" is to try and berate me for attempting to think for myself, then your efforts to simply tell me what the truth is and expect me to follow blindly are indeed lost on me.
Sorry, the truth about Trump is so disillusioning for you...
Whatever
The endless defense of the indefensible by some is so mind boggling!
The truth you mean.
once again, the "investigations" were producing not one damn thing!
you keep repeating this shit about investigations but always, ALWAYS fail to tell the whole story in your blind partisanship.
No, John Durham proved that I am 100 percent correct!
Damn, over 7 years of investigations turned up nothing.
Reasonable folks would conclude there was nothing TO find while others see something no one else on earth can.
what laughable nonsense!
Donald Trump is a traitor.
What do you think he was doing for the hours that the riot was going on? He refused to do anything to stop it, even though his own daughter asked him to.
Why would that be?
Because he wanted the riot to succeed in stopping the vote count.
There is more than enough evidence to convince everyone in this country that he is totally unfit for office, yet at least one out of three people still intends to vote for him. His sick followers are as big or bigger problem than he is.
You threw out a lot of different things there again without a single link or support, but according to the Mueller report it was not collusion specifically aimed at having an influence on the 2016 election. That is my only point here. If there are new investigations into this matter and new evidence is available then let's wait and see it and hope that it puts this fucker behind bars. But until then, if you don't mind I'd prefer to wait for facts and evidence before engaging in supposition and innuendo, repeating the standard talking points, and rendering my opinion on this specific matter.
Yep, dick move for sure, although he was talking about revealing emails that had already been hacked, still right around the same time more were hacked. But again, Mueller did not find sufficient evidence that this constituted collusion or had an impact on the election.
My understanding is that they were offered information similar to the very common practice of "opposition research" but that it was never forthcoming nor acted upon. Again, this meeting was carefully dissected by the Mueller investigation and it too was not considered collusion with Russia for the purposes of influencing the election.
Do you see what I am getting at here? There is a difference between the "appearance" of collusion and a legal determination that collusion actually occurred and impacted the election. Your story about the 50 meetings with State intelligence officials and all the organizations that have notes/proof at your comment 9.1.5 is still in that category IMHO until the evidence is confirmed and the truth is made known. Look, you and I are going to agree that Trump has proven himself beyond a doubt that he is unfit to be POTUS, the difference is that I don't feel the need to keep on with the standard talking points that have not yet risen to the level of the truth.
That is all - I have said my piece. Thanks for the discussion.
he knows in his soul there was no collusion but his mind can't accept the facts.
Oh for god's sake. Donald Trump Jr was told in an email that someone connected to the Russian government had dirt on Hillary Clinton they wanted to provide to the Trump campaign. It was illegal. Trump Jr wasnt charged because Mueller said he didnt understand that what he was doing was against the law.
I agree, that alone in my mind is cause for him to never again be elected to an office of any kind.
Agreed again. But again not the issue I was discussing with JBB.
Perhaps so. What do you suggest we do about it? How about rather than calling them "sick" we appeal to them on the basis of facts and evidence rather than on stale talking points and specific additional allegations that have not yet been shown to be true? For example, we know for sure that he did in fact attempt to get others to overturn an election without any proof of election fraud and continues with that lie, sans evidence to this day. And as you stated above he could have put a stop to what happened on Jan 6, if he really cared about the country and our electoral process. Trump is playing the same game that some who keep on with the talking points against him play, claiming truth without the facts and evidence, and keeping on with it even when the investigations thus far have concluded otherwise.
jbb is correct, as usual.
There was definitely collusion as jbb stated
"Opposition research"
I just don't get this defense of the indefensible.
You’ve been called out for this so many times. You know it’s false. Everyone reading it knows its false. yet you Continue to spread disinformation.
the really funny part is you call trump a liar.
It is sick to vote for this POS and to defend the indefensible.
Ok then! Let's fine them for attempting to do essentially the same thing Clinton did . The only difference is that they never got any information from that source.
Always the PD&D with you Sean and the endless defense of the indefensible.
jbb is not the liar 'here'
His posts are the mirror image of trump claiming the election was stolen. He never provides any evidence to support his fantasies And it doesn’t matter how many times he’s proven wrong he just keeps saying it.
He just repeats falsehoods over and over hoping some fools get worn down by repetition
Some lemmings are still falling for this fake news bullshit.
I kind of feel pity for them.
DEFLECTION!
Then they are mere fools.
Christ Tessy! How is it deflection? I did not bring up the topic of campaigns being interested in trying to dig up dirt on one another, JR did. I was simply responding with rational analysis. The only deflection happening here is your hyper-partisan armor deflecting any thought or opinion or slight deviation from your dogma that does not fit your very narrow world view. How is what Clinton also did not relevant to that specific discussion? Why do you think that the Mueller investigation did not find that meeting to be evidence of actual collusion?
I am on your side about defeating Trump based on facts, evidence and proven truth, and there is plenty of it available already. I see no reason to continue with stale talking points and new allegations that have not yet risen to the level of truth. It is unnecessary. Such insistence on continuing with these talking points, despite what the investigations thus far have found, might be the very reason why some dig in their heels and still consider voting for that asshole Trump. That is how silly being a hyper-partisan can be.
Yes, as if Trump hadn't pardoned Roger Stone, Paul Manafort and General Flynn to keep them from telling the truth...
And how does that stop anyone from telling the truth?
To be fair JBB's statements aren't necessarily "falsehoods", they just have not been accompanied by proof yet, nor have they risen to the level of "the truth". Also, JBB is not running for POTUS. This sort of behavior is MUCH worse when repeatedly used by one who wishes to sit in the most powerful seat in the world. I hope you can see why we can't let that happen, and why we should discourage such behavior from the top down.
Did you even read any of his post?
You nailed that one.
I would say that's also true of Trump's claims. Trump's dealings with Russia have been investigated and reported by Mueller, IGs, Congress and countless investigative articles. There's been more resources poured into discovering those facts than on just about any other event. It's impossible to dispute those findings at this point without relying on conspiracies or "secret" facts that no one else knows. Which is what Trump does when he says the election is stolen.
He claims it but can't provide a damn thing to back up his claims. Not that it's surprising.
That's an understatement.
All he has is Projection, Deflection, and Denial.
You deflected to Hillary.
What rational analysis?
You deflected to Hillary.
They are the truth and it has been proven.
Proven by whom and please show that proof.
Trump has been a criminal since his teens
Why do you think his folks shipped him off to military school?
Because he wasn’t enough like daddy Fred.
Funny how your proof for that claim is the same as the number of convictions he had as a teen.
Nothing.
Zip.
Nada.
repeated sexual assaults on underage girls...
And here is the "PROOF"!!
Because he raped an 11 year old girl?
Yes, that scumbag has been a sexual assaulter/rapist from a young age.
Like dev said, many underage girls
is Joe still screwing his daughter in law?
Or is she just a little old for him?
He also (the former 'president' that is) raped many underage girls when he was friends with Jeffrey Epstein and you just know that he had Epstein killed in jail.
I wonder how many hookers or strippers Hunter procured for The Big Guy?
maybe that 10 percent included them.
Heck, I thought I would hop aboard the Cuckoo Train and just claim THE wildest shit without any proof. Isn't that how it is done here?
Feelings are real, and many here feel very deeply.
It just gets so old--hearing for the 1000th time that "investigations were legally predicated" bullshit.
The one thing he never does is tell the whole story. The investigations are rather like his posts--EMPTY.
I wonder how many other porn stars the former 'president' had to pay to get laid.
I figured Hunter and Joe had to have SOMETHING to talk about since they never, ever, ever discussed any of Hunter's business!
I pay special attention to leftists ;oonville responses.
That way I can mock their post with an even more ludicrous response.
Why are you infatuated about others' sex lives?
Maybe it's time for the DNC to line up Gavin Newsom and/or Michelle Obama?
Shouldn't you be worried about who the gop is going to nominate?
It's not healthy to worry about that which we can't control.
I believe that was the last bit of advice Roy Cohn gave to Julius Rosenberg.
Roy Cohn - what a filthy scumbag he was representing really filthy scum and a good friend of really filthy scum, the former 'president'
What an odd question, JBB! I've often stated that I'm not registered with any political party. There is no need for me to worry about who the Republican Party, or any party, will nominate.
We both now that in their minds if you even remotely question the idiocy they do that you are fully in support of the opposition.
You have no business giving Democrats your advice but that didn't stop you. President Biden will easily whoop Trump!
Biden will go down in history similarly to Harry Truman as an unlikely yet capable and decent man who stepped into the breach when called upon and who served honorably well...
Yet Trump will be remembered as an embarrassment who refused to leave peacefully when he got his butt whipped!
Twice and badly, by Joe Biden...
Lol. On what possible basis can you claim he's a decent man? Do decent men's daughters write that they had to time their showers to avoid inappropriate behavior by their dad? The guy has a decades long record of lying, grifting and bullying people. Smiling for the camera and wearing sunglasses does not a decent man make.
Truman, an acolyte of the Prendergast machine and a man willing to join the KKK for its political benefits, was no angel, and even he would be repulsed at how shady Biden Inc. is.
A decent man would not falsely accuse their President, or anyone else for that matter, of harming children...
There is no comparison between Truman and Biden. Well, I guess they both called themselves Democrats.
That’s about where any similarity ends though.
Scumbag?
Your boy Michael Avenatti …. now there’s a real scumbag.
Trump was an acolyte of Roy Cohn, The Worst Man in World!
Michael Avenatti ….. liberal hero and media darling …. But alas his true colors came through when like Icarus, he flew too close to the sun and he flamed out.
Scumbag extraordinaire …. now bubba’s boyfriend in the clink.
Avenatti? Trump's personal lawyer and fixer? That Michael Avenatti? He belongs to Trump and is already out of prison!
Roy Cohn, Old Joe McCarthy's henchman, had four special buttboy acolytes he personally trained to be political dirty tricksters, Lee Atwater, Roger Stone, Paul Manafort and Donald Trump...
You’re losing it ….. Avenatti was the lefts comfort boy.
He represented Stormy Daniels against Trump and all TDS ridden fools on the left were singing his praises. Some of you nimrods were actually talking a POTUS run for this shyster.
Oh how convenient the liberal memory is ….. Sadly, you are only fooling yourselves.
Hell, Avenatti was running for the Democratic nomination. Up is down in Liberal La La Land, how quickly they forget what is real and what they only imagine........
Avenatti? Trump's personal lawyer and fixer?
As pure an example of gaslighting as will ever be . Well done
I fail to find where I did what you accuse me of doing. Perhaps you should source it with the comment number.
That's what the Confederacy claimed at the beginning of the Civil War.
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Thank goodness we've finally found someone who's committed worse crimes than Talaat Pasha, Hitler, Xi, Kim Jung Un, etc!
Gaslight ….. neon light …… Parliament ….
Both Michelle and Barack say no way in hell!
Good to know you have insider info on this. The game is young, so time will tell.