Trump is indicted in Georgia over 2020 election meddling, the 4th criminal case against him
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Via: tig • last year • 310 commentsBy: KATE BRUMBACK and ERIC TUCKER (AP News)
The content of the indictment is of course what matters:
From the Indictment:
Defendant Donald John Trump lost the United States presidential election held on November 3, 2020. One of the states he lost was Georgia. Trump and the other Defendants charged in this Indictment refused to accept that Trump lost, and they knowingly and willfully joined a conspiracy to unlawfully change the outcome of the election in favor of Trump. That conspiracy contained a common plan and purpose to commit two or more acts of racketeering activity in Fulton County, Georgia, elsewhere in the State of Georgia, and in other states.
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ATLANTA (AP) — Donald Trump and several allies were indicted in Georgia on Monday, accused of scheming to illegally overturn his 2020 election loss in the state. It's the fourth criminal case to be brought against the former president and the second to allege that he tried to subvert the results of the vote.
The Fulton County grand jury indictment of Trump follows a two-year investigation ignited by a January 2021 phone call in which the then-president suggested that Georgia's Republican secretary of state could help him "find 11,780 votes" needed to reverse his narrow loss to Democrat Joe Biden.
Other defendants included former White House chief of staff Mark Meadows, Trump's personal attorney Rudy Giuliani and a Trump administration Justice Department official, Jeffrey Clark, who advanced his efforts to undo his election loss in Georgia.
Trump was previously indicted in early August by a federal grand jury for conspiring to undermine the 2020 vote and prevent the peaceful transfer of power through a series of lies and unlawful actions taken after the general election and leading up to the violent riot by his supporters at the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021. He pleaded not guilty in that case.
As indictments mount, Trump — the leading Republican candidate for president in 2024 — often invokes his distinction as the only former president to face criminal charges. He is campaigning and fundraising around these themes, portraying himself as the victim of Democratic prosecutors out to get him.
ATLANTA (AP) — A Georgia grand jury that has been investigating former President Donald Trump over his efforts to undo that state's 2020 election results arrived at a frenzied conclusion late Monday, returning indictments even as prosecutors offered no clarity about who had been charged and for what.
The existence of indictments became apparent around 9 p.m., when the Fulton County judge who for months has been presiding over the grand jury investigation was presented by courthouse officials with a set of papers in a courtroom packed with reporters anticipating news.
But neither the judge nor county officials revealed any details about the documents — though at least some of the indictments appeared to be for cases other than Trump. Even so, all signs pointed toward the grand jury moving toward an indictment in the Trump investigation: The panel worked late, some witnesses scheduled to appear Tuesday testified instead on Monday and the judge who's been handling the matter, Robert McBurney, encouraged reporters to stay late. Adding to the scene were live cameras following county officials inside the courthouse, hoping to glimpse signs of action.
If Trump is indicted in Georgia, it would mark the fourth time this year he's faced criminal charges. He's also been indicted by federal officials for allegedly hoarding classified documents and conspiring to overturn the 2020 election. But the Georgia case is unique for its sprawling nature and the potential that Trump could be charged alongside multiple associates and aides.
The Georgia prosecution is also notable for its chaotic conclusion. Even as prosecutors summoned as witnesses multiple former state officials, including the ex-lieutenant governor, the process hit an unexpected snag in the middle of the day, when Reuters reported on a document listing criminal charges to be brought against Trump. Those included state racketeering counts, conspiracy to commit false statements and solicitation of violation of oath by a public officer.
Reuters, which later published a copy of the document, said the filing was taken down quickly. A spokesperson for Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis said the report of charges being filed was "inaccurate," but declined to comment further on a kerfuffle that the Trump legal team rapidly jumped on to attack the integrity of the investigation.
The office of the courts clerk later released a statement that seemed to only raise more questions, calling the posted document "fictitious," but failing to explain how it got on the court's website. The clerk's office said documents without official case numbers "are not considered official filings and should not be treated as such." But the document that appeared online did have a case number on it.
Asked about the "fictitious" document Monday evening, the courts clerk, Che Alexander, said: "I mean, I don't know what else to say, like, grace. … I don't know, I haven't seen an indictment, right, so I don't have anything." On the question of whether the website had been hacked, she said, "I can't speak to that."
Trump and his allies, who have characterized the investigation as politically motivated, immediately seized on the apparent error to claim the process was rigged. Trump's campaign aimed to fundraise off it, sending out an email with the since-deleted document embedded.
"The Grand Jury testimony has not even FINISHED - but it's clear the District Attorney has already decided how this case will end," Trump wrote in the email, which included links to give money to his campaign. "This is an absolute DISGRACE."
Trump's legal team said it was not a "simple administrative mistake." Rather it was "emblematic of the pervasive and glaring constitutional violations which have plagued this case from its very inception," the lawyers said.
Legal experts said it was likely a clerical error listing charges prosecutors were planning to ask the grand jury to vote on. Prosecutors draft indictments and present them to the grand jury, which ultimately decides whether to hand charges down.
"I think this tells us what they are planning to present to the grand jury, and the grand jury could say no," said Clark Cunningham, a Georgia State University law professor. He said while the error will give Trump's legal team fodder to complain, "it will not scuttle the case."
The posting may have prompted prosecutors to move more quickly to reach a conclusion Monday. Former lieutenant governor Geoff Duncan, who over the weekend said he'd also been asked to testify Tuesday, instead appeared before the grand jury Monday. He told reporters outside the courthouse that the 2020 election had been "fair and legal" and said now was the "opportunity to get the real story out."
The document listing criminal charges filed midday Monday listed more than a dozen felony counts, including Georgia's Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations, or RICO. Willis has long been expected to levy that charge against Trump and his associates, accusing them of participating in a wide-ranging conspiracy to overturn the state's 2020 election results.
Two counts — including solicitation of violation of oath by a public officer — listed the date of offense as Jan. 2, 2021, which was when Trump during a phone call with Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger said he wanted to "find" enough votes to overturn his loss in the state. Other counts listed the date of offense as Sept. 17, 2021, which is the same day Trump sent Raffensperger a message urging him to investigate "large scale voter fraud," decertify the election and "announce the true winner" if the investigation found the fraud.
Raffensperger and Gabriel Sterling, a fellow Republican who is also a top official in the secretary of state's office, forcefully pushed back against allegations of widespread problems with Georgia's election.
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Associated Press journalists Alanna Durkin Richer in Boston and Brynn Anderson, Jeff Martin, Jeff Amy in Atlanta contributed to this report.
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It is not possible that Trump has engaged in wrongdoing.
Lock him up!.....
Is it your opinion that this indictment is without merit?
there is no joy in gooberville, the mighty trump is about to strike out. it'll be fun to watch when the legal defense funds start to get skinny...
Still waiting ... We know how easy it is for the unbiased press to convict in the court of public opinion. And even a courtroom conviction won't change anything. Trump is still a better choice than Joe Biden.
A lot of people have arrived at the conclusion that only Trump can remove Joe Biden from the White House. We've been told that no other Republican can beat Joe Biden; picking another candidate is risky. Removing Joe Biden from the White House is the only thing that matters. A thousand indictments won't change that priority.
No, we are not waiting. We all know Trump engaged in wrongdoing. What is next is a determination of legal guilt on specific crimes. That is what we are awaiting.
I think your priorities need sorting.
a candidate with 4 criminal indictments and 91 charges versus the incumbent, it'll be close... /s
I was just going to point that out.
DeSantis is imploding and Trump continues to be a general election loser. The Ds refuse to push Biden out and the Rs have no candidate.
What a mess.
it's still early at 14 months before the election, but both parties need to be eradicated from above a certain age...
Correct. So what?
This is about election politics. If wrongdoing was really that important in election politics then neither Trump or Biden would be on the ballot. And someone like Hillary Clinton would not have been allowed anywhere near an election.
The Democrats' priority since 2016 has been to attack all things Republican while defending their own corrupt wrongdoers.
Trump self identifies as a victim. Why can't Democrats accept that bit of delusional identity? Democrats celebrate every other phony identity.
... how many rabbits do you see down there?
It's time to put the names of all eligible people for POTUS into a big round barrel and pull out five names for those that have to run for POTUS.
A Hunger Games for President
Is he being ridiculous again?
The polls say a rematch between Trump and Biden will be close. That's why support for Trump remains strong. Those Trump supporters are more worried about Biden than they are about Trump.
In 2015 Trump demonstrated he was a clown, a buffoon, and someone who didn't color within the legal lines. By now everyone knows who and what Donald Trump is. And Trump is still a better choice than Joe Biden.
those trump supporters still believe everything he tells them...
if convicted, trump can pay the price for his crimes, or his supporters will...
nature of the beast. welcome to america.
Only one wandering in the woods. Trump beat Hillary Rodham Clinton. That's a huge endorsement for Trump.
So what?? We need to clean our house, Nerm. We need to elect politicians who will do the job at least with some modicum of honesty and integrity. Voting for Trump is tantamount to foregoing honesty and integrity. Further, voting for Trump is just plain dumb from a political perspective because he will almost certainly NOT win a general election.
What we are seeing right now is just how badly partisanship distorts rational thought. I am truly amazed watching this unfold. The Ds refuse to push Biden out and thus are going to nominate an 82 year old (upon inauguration), unpopular politician. The Rs, much, much worse, are going to nominate a demonstrable asshole, malignant narcissist, pathological liar who attempted, for the only time in USA history, to steal a presidential election through coercion, lying, and apparently myriad illegal acts that dwarf Watergate.
The GOP, much more than the D, has collectively lost its fucking mind.
Correct. So what?
Thank you for the evidence that the problem is no longer Donald Trump himself, it’s the fucking idiots who will vote for him under any circumstances.
You phrased that perfectly!
That 'the former 'president' is a better choice than President Biden nonsense is freaking ridiculous.
You need a new shtick. Yours is quite tiresome.
Ya think?
That's most maga enablers/supporters of the former 'president' for you - they don't give a shit that he's facing 4 INDICTMENTS AND 91 CHARGES
So what?
We always knew what that steaming POS was, a steaming POS, lifelong thug, grifter, crook, criminal, serial sexual assaulter and yet you would still vote for that steaming POS
Don't stop counting, there are many more to come and he's a 3 time+ loser.
Hillary with the 'help' of Bill beat herself. I could easily add to that list, but Trump was not one of them.
I agree, we need to clean house. How does reelecting Joe Biden do that? Donald Trump beat the political establishment to win the Republican primaries and the White House. Donald Trump beat Hillary Clinton who was anointed by the press and the political establishment.
We're supposed to believe that Karine Jean-Pierre is a paragon of honesty and integrity? Biden takes credit for things he didn't do, blames scapegoats for his own screwups, lies to score cheap political points, and engages in the most divisive politics. Hillary Clinton was even more honesty and integrity challenged than Joe Biden. If we need politicians with a modicum of honesty and integrity then we don't need Democrats.
Donald Trump can not be accused of being a conventional politician. If liberal justice requires a 'burn it down' mentality, destroying social norms and tearing down institutional traditions, then Donald Trump is the 'burn it down' response by conservatives. And Trump has certainly demonstrated ability to destroy the globalized norms and tear down both liberal and neoliberal globalized institutions. Trump doesn't have to win the election; Trump only has to inflict more damage on conventional wisdom and establishment expectations.
Really?
It doesn't. Why are you playing dumb here ... you know I am talking about holding Trump, et. al., accountable. What is the point of pretending to not understand basic ideas?
All it does is make me (and I suspect others) view your comments as foolish hyper-partisanship.
All of this is deflection from the point I made: the GOP, by continuing to support Trump no matter what, has collectively lost its mind.
If the importance of holding Trump accountable is to protect status quo politics, then the remedy is (as Rev. Jeremiah Wright said it) 'God damn the United States'. Trump is a threat to the status quo. Isn't that what the uproar is really about?
Liberals have fought long and hard to tear down norms and traditions. Now those same liberals are complaining?
Again you post an obtuse reply. The importance of holding Trump, et. al. accountable is to mitigate the horrible precedent he set from enabling others to act similarly (or worse).
Do you think this indictment is without merit?
You suspect correct.
That's not WHY FFS
Not really. More like Hilary had established luggage and poor PR. Kind of like where Trump is now.
not your quote, but yeah, by a negative 3 million votes...
Really, I think the underlying problem is that we have a bunch of people shouting at each other and no one is listening. a lot of people are just tired of talking about something when the only response is a metaphorical boot to the head.
The Frantics -
I think the underlying problem is that we have a bunch of people shouting at each other and no one is listening.
There is an underlying problem to your underlying problem, called the internet. There’s always been shouting over broad disagreements in political ideology. Now it’s fueled by ubiquitous lies and conspiracy theories spewed by cultists with slavish devotion to a false idol. The volume makes it impossible to listen.
Yes, the indictments have merit. What I'm telling you is that the indictments are not going to diminish support for Trump. Trump is the enemy of the enemy; that's the reason for supporting Trump. That's the same reason Biden supports Ukraine. Ukraine is the enemy of our enemy. It's not an endorsement of Ukraine; it's exploiting Ukraine for a different purpose. Trump is also being exploited for a different purpose.
That suggests that any opponent could have won against Clinton in 2016. So, how did Clinton become the Democrats' candidate for President?
And that excuse doesn't explain the protests and marches that erupted after Trump won. Clinton could do no wrong and Trump could do no right. No, in the aftermath of 2016 Democrats blamed a rigged election instead of blaming Clinton. After all, Clinton won the popular vote so the system is rigged and the electoral college must be eliminated. Democrats called for scrapping the Constitution because it was Hillary's turn. Democrats claimed Trump was not a legitimate President and mounted efforts to undermine and remove Trump from office before the inauguration.
I'm not worried. sane americans have been dealing with the enemies of democracy, both foreign and domestic, pretty efficiently for over 250 years. sometimes it's messy, but it's still effective...
I have not suggested they would. You are off on a tangent.
My point is that it is important to hold Trump accountable.
Da!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm so dizzy my head is spinning . . . . . . with the spin you're spinning . . . .
Yawohl!!!!!!!!
'What I'm telling you is that the indictments are not going to diminish support for the former 'president'
Well, no shit Sherlock!
Try telling us something we don't know.
Also, what does that tell you?
Those last two sentences of your nonsense are complete and utter lies.
Those kinds of norms and traditions?
No, but anyone who had the ability to reason combined with a moderate amount of moral character could see that DJT did not belong anywhere near the presidency. His past was there for anyone who chose to look. That is the reason why the protests occurred. DJT displayed his character long before he ran for office.
Damn straight. One human, one vote. The system might not be rigged, but if the popular vote tally does not equal the winner of the election then something is askew.
You surely seem to hate Democrats.
i will say this to you if Trump numbers remain strong, then his supporters want an OCD liar in the White House again. Remember this: Trump's tactics and strategies have put his people in jail and in prison today. And Ashley Babbitt is resting in peace. How are those things a "better" choice than Biden? Please proceed!
Eureka! The unnamed "enemy" is the missing element republicans hold in contempt and Trump is manipulating some conservatives to believe he will render these up to now unnamed "foes" void. Use and be used-that's the ticket!
That ignores the simple fact that people were required to choose between Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton. No matter the outcome, someone was going to be in the White House that had no business being there.
The only thing you are pointing out is that everyone knew who and what Donald Trump was before he won the election. Donald Trump, as President, was not a surprise. Nobody was blindsided.
Hillary Clinton did not belong in the White House any more than Donald Trump. But voters were still required to choose one. There weren't any other options. If Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump were the only viable choices for President then the system is damned well rigged. The 2016 election proved, without doubt, that our political system does not function for the good of the country. Our political system favors the most corrupt, unfit politicians to become President. With such poor choices, everyone has been disenfranchised because voting doesn't matter.
For the 2016 election i did not vote for Trump and I did not vote for Clinton. I wasted my vote because I did not want either Trump or Clinton as President. The only thing wasting my vote accomplished was to allow me to ride a self-righteous high horse. No matter who won the election, I couldn't be blamed for voting them into office. The news media did not even report those votes; it was wall to wall Clinton and Trump. So, voting doesn't really matter.
A rematch between Trump and Clinton? And Democrats still believe Hillary Clinton is more qualified to be President than Joe Biden.
No one was blindsided by Trump. Voters knew all about Trump before he was elected. Maybe requiring voters to choose between Trump and Clinton was a bad idea. Democrats are responsible for Hillary Clinton being on the ballot; Democrats did not offer a viable alternative to Trump.
I did not ask you about Hillary Clinton and at 1.2.11 you did not mention Hillary Clinton . . . so why are you addressing someone who is not running and presumably is not interested in the 2024 presidential campaign to me—you should not be doing so.
Those were the choices. I don't particularly care for her either, but we would be discussing something else besides DJT if not for the Electoral College.
It is rigged inasmuch as the Parties who control the electoral mechanics can rig it. Just another reason to do away with parties, IMO.
Not at all. The 2016 election showed what occurs when disharmonizing rhetoric is used repeatedly in a partisan atmosphere. Or is that what you meant by "political system"?
Your first sentence is a rehash of the 2016 election between Clinton and Trump. People knew who and what Trump was in 2016. Trump's supporters wanted an 'OCD liar' in the White House the first time. That was the point of electing Trump, wasn't it? Trump didn't change after winning the 2016 election. Trump didn't blindside anyone.
Voters believed Trump was a better choice than Clinton; even knowing everything about Trump. Trump is still a better choice than Biden. Rehashing the 2016 Republican primaries and election only reminds everyone why Trump was elected in the first place.
So, you're stuck on Clinton-fatique, huh?
Yeah, that's it. Blame the Constitution. Blame the founders. Blame white privilege. Blame racism. Use whatever rationalized delusion ignores Clinton's own claim that a 'win is a win'.
Yeah, how do we do that? The press profits from the two party system. Corrupt, incompetent politicians benefit from the two party system. Even those who run for office with good intentions end up corrupted. The bureaucratic deep state protects the two party system for its own benefit. The courts provide legal protection for the two party system by dismissing challenges.
The way the system is rigged, the only thing people can do to have a say is not vote. But people who are fed up with the system and refuse to participate (walk away) are disparaged and castigated. Why is it a civic duty to endorse a corrupt, rigged, and dysfunctional two party system? No matter what people do, they're still forced to choose between bad candidates knowing that one of them will become President.
Nerm - I'm still waiting for the Dems to start indictment proceedings against Trump for tying his left shoe first instead of his right shoe in the mornings, or for putting his left leg into his pants first instead of putting the right leg in, or for not eating as much ice cream as their faulty leader, or using an ink pen versus a ballpoint pen with an eraser.
I tell ya - it's gotta happen.
Okay, first explain why any of those list items are illegal under the law. BTW, as to the ice cream remark: If such a problem why has the "faulty leader" not been charged/indicted already? Just stop already. Partisanship on 'roids is not a good look!
I didn't blame anything. But it's OK, just go on fantasizing about what a strawman might do.
I didn't vote in the 2016 elections because there was no good reason to vote. I thought you said up the page aways that you had to vote?
VOTING does matter. I take exception with your position on Hillary and The Dumpster. I, too, disliked both candidates, and, like you felt that they were both the last two people we needed in the WH.
However, I did vote for Hillary because she was the lesser of two twisted candidates that were both flawed. Trump was the worst of the two.
One again, the nation is being pushed by Right Wing Billionaires, addicted to MONEY, HONEY, that's all they want, that and control over the government, so they might get richer.
Trump is going to PRISON. The 14th Amendment, Article III, should keep this "Garbage Pail", adult child out of office.
The Republican Party is not a political party. It is a criminal organization controlled by a handful of "Super Rich Billionaires" (Mostly Conservative, Hard Nosed Re-Thug-i-KKK-ans.)
Dems, at times in our history, were corrupted (George Wallace & Southern Hicks) attempted to move our nation to the "Back of the Bus"!
But noting has matched the Republican Party of GREED, HATE, RACISM, STUPIDITY, GUN NUTS Bull Chip.
SHUT DOWN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY!
I did not see a worst between the two so I wasted my vote. Which accomplished absolutely nothing. The only reason I voted in 2016 was for down ballot elections.
With Clinton's dumpster poll numbers we're supposed to believe she won the popular vote because voters wanted Clinton? That's nothing more than liars lying to themselves. Lying Democrats can't even trust their own liars.
Well, that's a steaming pile of bullshit. Billionaires aren't right wing or left wing; they're only on their side and don't give koala crackers about any other side. Billionaires will pander to fake women and white supremacists, at the same time.
Trump didn't blindside anyone. Everyone knew who and what Trump was before the 2016 election. There weren't any surprises.
And Trump is still a better choice than Joe Biden.
Hillary was pilloried by the Right. That is, she was brought down (demonized) to the level of Donald Trump, in order that he would look more palatable to voters. But consider this one thing. Donald Trump would literally stand before a microphone and in true Machiavellian fashion convey an outright lie (or whatever nuance of a lie that would 'ring' through his mind) on the simplest or most complex questions asked of him. Hillary Clinton was better than that.
How the "h" can these republicans/conservatives get away with demonizing their "betters" and dumbing down others to believe A LIE needs close scrutiny, study, and maybe psyche analyses by physicians and psychologists.
Hillary Clinton would not have disbanded the PANDEMIC TASK FORCE in 2018 just to save federal dollars (oh wait - a trillion more was spend on the Covid-19 virus once it hit the nation) and she likely would not have suffered over a million death of citizens of this country because of being "conservative" and going out trusting the 'herd' to be trimmed before immunity kicked in to action.
Trump did that!
Let's clear this up once and for all. Hillary Clinton was not then and is not now on the level of braggadocios LIAR that Donald Trump has spent a lifetime plus in being!
Remember "Bonnie & Clyde"? Many Americans saw them as "HEROES"!
Were they?
For JAIL!
Trump is pals with Putin, Kim Jung Un, and the Saudi Prince who ordered his assassins to video tape, and show the butchering of a journalist that offended him on a LIVE feed, so this monster might see it in REAL TIME.
Trump is not who you think he is. He is a PSYCHO, career criminal, con artist, and sexual predator.
NOT A GREAT RESUME FOR POTUS!
An "Exorcism" is helpful, at times, to wash the brain out. And, they are FREE! Have you seen the "Exorcism Pope"?
Because voting is how the public demonstrates their choice for public office.
Not Voting is for any reason is an angry, childished response similar to the
"I quit, and I am taking my marbles and going home, 'cause you cheated!"
That is like the soldier in the middle of a war, says "this war is useless and stupid", then deserts.
beyond the norm...
This made me quite happy when I heard it on the news this morning around 4:30.
The former 'president'
Giuliani
Eastman
Meadows
I was so happy to see those names at the top of the list.
Let the projections, deflections, and denials continue (I'm late - just got off work a little while ago - lol).
My concern all along is that the electorate cannot condone actions as outrageous as those of Trump (and his minions). The precedent set by Trump is horrible and if he is not held accountable would simply further degrade the quality of our political mechanisms.
Agreed, they all need to be held accountable.
PS I agree wholehearedly - one of my concerns as well - IMHO I think he thought that he would get away with it all in the end.
I agree. if nixon had gone to club fed for his crimes, would we be seeing executive level crimes repeated? I think not.
Bake 'em, shake 'em, throw them into a HOT TUB at a Gay Bar and let them swim until they are washed of their sins. Then, and only then, escort them to their PRISONS.
VOTERS MUST TURN OUT and shut this Criminal Enterprise down!
"Fugazy", T-Rump!
Trump's whole life has been centered around "wrongdoing"
That's why his folks shipped him off to military school in the first place.
they didn't prosecute minor on minor sexual assault in those days...
Yep, "Dirty Diaper Donnie" was a petulant, entitled, A-wipe born with a fist full of MONEY in his mouth and a self-serving idea stuck in his brain that he was above everyone else, and the LAW!
KARMA is going to fall on him like a ton of bricks.
Maybe not in some of the back hill, former Confederate Crackers days, but, in the civilized world the authorities didn't whitewash it.
That is correct! Evangelicals claim, without proof, that DJT was appointed by GOD to the Office of POTUS.
91 Criminal charges seem to cast doubt on that statement. Joel Osteen is said to be crying his eyes, when not driving one of his 21 super luxurious, super expensive cars.
That God, Joel has a $60 million dollar manson to retreat to and a $25,000,000 salary that GOD provided Joel, so he could spread the word, "GOD want you to have everything you want".
Joel and DJT have a lot in common. Both have "J's" in their name.
This is the biggest racketeering case since Gotti!
I would have to research that, but this is a very serious matter (when one reads the indictment). Those indicted are not going to sleep well tonight.
They also released the names of the grand jurors, which is illegal.
not in georgia, it's the law...
And, it makes my heart jump for joy.
Some of their phone numbers and addresses have been posted online, so the good Re-Thug-I-KKK-ans might have access to them to convert them.
How Sweet is that! Rip the "Woke" out of them!
Those New Yorkers!
We've been known for our crime syndicates.
the PS 64 teacher mob.
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????? What?
Oh, darn it. The comments that are deleted are always on the cutting age.
They are often sharp, but, we are mostly grown ups! Not Vanishing Americans riven by their socalled, "Religion"! Hockey Puck!
it was a comment with no value.
...as usual.
They go where the money is and were there are strong political machines for protection.
And, Trump wants to make it bigger by have his followers Riot and Burned the system down, so he can build it up in his own image.
Isn't DJT an Angel?
C'mon,
Act like you know..
Trump's best hope now is to cut a plea deal to drop out of the election and retire from politics...
I think this is obvious, but this indictment alone overshadows Watergate. This along with the documents and Jan 6th indictments is arguably the worst scandal in US history involving a PotUS.
It is the first time a President tried to interfere with the peaceful transfer of power and overthrow our democracy. History will record Trump's villainy.
In the meantime, the currently dysfunctional GOP will nominate him for the presidency because they like his policies; as if only Trump can support core GOP policies.
The sad part is, there will still be those who defend Trump, regardless of wrongdoing.
Worse, they will vote for Trump regardless of wrongdoing and even, I predict, in spite of being found guilty of felonies.
I expect they would too.
Yes indeed tig - that interview with John Dean that you provided stated as much - it is far worse.
Trump has POLICIES?
He'll never do that. His ego won't allow it
That's what they said about Napoleon before Waterloo, Alba and finally Saint Helena. If El Trumpo will not go away in peace he must be detained. Should deposed tyrants get a redo? Napoleon tried a comeback. It ended BADLY...
He might if he can get into the real world and believe he will be behind bars.
Yes, this is a very serious indictment. Not so sure Trump will be able to pull his magic trick given the three recent indictments: documents, Jan 6th, Georgia.
ego too big, brain too small...
He will never do that, it would be akin to him admitting he was wrong and he NEVER admits he's wrong.
... a major character flaw in a specific demographic.
Yes...rich, white, men, that never had to do a really hard day's work in their entire lives and were fed from Baccarat crystal baby bottles
Are you trying to say facts should actually matter?
prove it...
Ummmmm .......
Are you really using anecdotal evidence to prove a general statement?
Actually it disproves the erroneous statement.
Do you understand, or do you need an explanation?
I understand what anecdotal means but not how it applies to my comment. For example, Trevian Kutti is in fact, Black and female unless she has self-identified as something else to you. The fact is, that most of those just indicted didn't grow up rich being feed from Baccarat crystal bottles and some aren't white or men.
Any time you say "for example", whatever follows is anecdotal. By definition.
No.
Anecdotal: not necessarily true or reliable, because based on personal accounts rather than facts or research.
True... but that's not the point, here. It's a logical fallacy to try to prove a general principle with anecdotes.
concerns LOTS of people. It cannot be demonstrated by anecdotes, no matter how many.
I didn't try to prove a general principal, when did you get confused?
Again, I didn't use anecdotes, just web research on the background, gender and race of those indicted.
Are you sure, she is female. She resembles one of Satan's Male Assistants. She/He relies on Aliens to provide selective information directly to her from "Outer Space"!
All, all are Trump GENIUSES!
Isn't that what America stands for...a nation of poor folks who grew up to become Insurrectionists and want to burn the Constitution and start all over again?
Trump's co-defendants are Miracle Workers. Some even walk on water.
Jack Smith is not going to allow the Worst Thing to rule a Nation, "The Caligula" is not getting a plea bargain, unless it involves spending the rest of his corrupt life in a "Bed Bug Infected Cell", somewhere in HELL!
Donnie is not going to retire, get a plead deal. He is going to JAIL.
During the press conference, Willis stated that a conviction on RICO charges carries prison time as a minimum sentence. She did not specify how much prison time. Rudy Giuliani is old enough that he may well spend the rest of his life, or a significant portion of it, behind bars.
Meh, he'll get a new nickname ... Rico Rudy.
lol - I like it
5 years minimum, mandatory incarceration.
So, Rudy's "it's not hair dye" hair dye may be melting all over pillowcases provided by taxpayers.
he's got a pillowcase connection. he put his home on the market last week too...
Does it come with a sham?
He has to pay for his own defense
yeah, he's going away and any sentence is a life sentence for him...
sham-wow.
That might soak up all the brow sweat.
Funny - isn't Rudy a sham artist?
lol - y'all are killing me though hearing about the indictment this morning tickled me to begin with
"Wouldn't That Be Love-er-ly"?
Isn't that LOVE-ER-LY?
Why there even are places where English completely disappears; in America they haven’t used it for years.
The rine in spine sties minely in the pline.
Too bad he didn't build the Moscow Trump Tower with the 50 million dollar penthouse, cause he could have asked his friend Vladimir for asylum and then moved into it. Actually, I think the smartest thing Trump can do right now to assure not going to jail is not to run as a candidate for POTUS but to run like hell if he can get asylum somewhere.
Trump has committed the WORST CRIMES that a president could probably ever do. "Dirty Diaper Donnie" is a million times worse than Benedict Arnold, or the Rosenbergs. He is toast, SOL, and I am loving it every day.
John Dean sees this as much bigger than Watergate. (My position too.)
AFAIC, it is part of the most heinous crime ever committed in the history of the US.
I think the POS really thought he was going to get away with it all.
Nixon was guilty of conspiracy and obstruction of justice. That comes no where near racketeering
It's much easier to meet the Georgia State RICO standards than in Federal Court. It's how the State got those Atlanta teachers that were inflating student scores and grades.
'She didn't just charge him - she threw the book at him. . .'
She threw the entire library at him.. LOL
And, tragedy is DJR can't read, spell or do anything that isn't criminal. I am told that he even steals him own socks.
Set the trial in two minutes, not two years!
warm up the buses, there's a new bunch of co-conspirators that will soon be thrown under them...
I hear they're starting off the festivities with Kraken Gal.
I read that yesterday. there's a constant busy signal on the fulton county crime hotline today...
they're all turning on each other now
love it!
why would anyone that isn't getting their legal fees paid by trump go to bat for him...
Let us all wish them all in all the jails in America on a rotating basis.
Ouch!
But Hillary.
But Hunter.
but obama...
lol
But anything Hunter did was far worse than Watergate and what the former 'president' and his enablers/supporters/+thegqp tried to get away with on 1/6. . . don't you know?
Remember back in 2016 the reich wing was screaming how sick she was and that she was unhealthy/close to death? Not sure if ya saw her on Maddow last night, but Hillary looked pretty good. Guess the right wing lied.....yet again.
she predicted the trump madness 7 years ago...
she was correct about everything which is why they hate her
when it came to her basket of deplorables, she was off by half
I bet she is so happy with this 4th indictment.
What were the other charges dev and halllux - that you were talking about still coming?
It’s hilarious watching Maddox and Clinton attack others for election denial and conspiracies. Lucky their Audience has the attention span of a fruit fly.
I mean he's a walking talking crime spree, I lost track
Damn good.
the defense fund scam he ran.
She looks her age... But she is hardly on deaths door as the reich wing suggested...12 years ago.
I'm not familiar with this person... Could you provide a link?
only if you're wearing a white blouse, navy plaid skirt, and dark blue knee socks...
Stop peeking in my windows! LOL
don't forget the little red ribbon bowtie and saddle shoes...
I detect a uniform trend.
Like I said . . . walking talking crime spree . . . abject criminality . . .
now paying back the millions from his 'stop the steal' campaign
Nice!!!!!!!!!
How much have the suckers donated already to this fund I wonder?
correct twice. catholic schools and strip clubs in catholic neighborhoods...
hundreds of millions. if jack smith indicts for wire fraud or campaign finance shenanigans, he can move to freeze the accounts and trump has to pay his and others legal costs out of his own pocket.
tangle him up in multiple indictments and limit his ability to pay his lawyers...
Ouch! Wouldn't that be LOVE-ER-LY.
Oh, that "Fruit Fly" comment cuts so deeply! Ouch, ouch!
Yes, but Hunter. Shouldn't he go to jail with them? On the same bus?
hey, where's all the trumpsters at? I was sure they'd be here in force defending their fearless leader and owning all the libs. wtf?
They're exhausted from all that weeping and gnashing of teeth
the circle jerk ran out of lotion...
All that denying of reality and facts and common sense must be quite tiring.
Brain Rot!
As someone said here the mighty Trump has struck out. Even his most vocal supporters are realizing that a hundred changes against him can't all be wrong. We're down to nothing except the"But Biden is worse" defense. Which every working brain knows is ridiculous.
What this does is illustrate just how deeply screwed-up the GOP is nowadays. Just sickening to watch the GOP implode due to over-the-top stubborn partisanship. Sometimes it is important for party members to cry foul and not simply defend their party (and its leaders) no matter what.
we're talking about a group of people that think admitting a mistake is the worst sign of weakness...
I do not know about that. We still see people defending Trump by glossing over all the facts and generalizing his indictments as merely:
Are there many people who are actually so stupid as to believe the above spin?
20 - 25 million at last count, but I agree with JR, the exodus of the main body of the GOP has begun...
Could you please show me evidence of the exodus? You know that I have been calling for this to have occurred since Jan 20, 2021.
all I've seen/heard so far are statements by past supporters/republicans, but the trickle of erosion is noticeable. IMO, with every judicial milestone that passes, the numbers will increase. mere speculation, a gut feeling on my part. it's my hope that the erosion is slow walked by the true believers and they hang in there long enough to split the party and make trump go solo, or cause an acrimonious floor fight at the RNC convention and take the disaffected out of the polls in november. I'm probably wrong about the end results, but my crystal ball is as clear as any other at this point.
the term I recently read was trump fatigue...
I only know that armageddon tired of him.
There is without a doubt a schism in the Republican Party over Trump and populism in general. Unless something major happens (like the GoP finds the smoking gun on Biden) I expect it will take another election cycle or two before a real correction happens. Donors are already pulling money, but the core faithful are still voting populist in the primaries. While the party leaders will have to publicly back more establishment candidates I don't think we'll totally be rid of the alt+right populist talking points for a long time.
... at least 10 years before the most gullible and ignorant die off.
there's devastating polling being released concerning trump.
Is he finally behind Biden?
Nope. Well if you consider 1 point devastating..........................then yep
But there is always the margin of error so...................it's up to the individual to decide
What are you seeing? Looks to me that Trump is still the GOP's likely nominee by a wide margin. DeSantis is losing steam and nobody is surging.
74% of Republicans say they will vote from Trump which is bad news for conservatives when 64% of all Americans will NOT vote for Trump in a general election.
The GOP continues to be its own worst enemy.
At this point I hold no hope for the GOP in 2024 and am not sure how many years it will take for the party to find its footing.
Amazing, right, but we see this every day with GOP partisans doubling down on the insanity. They are realizing that they will (predominantly) actually vote for Trump to be PotUS. They know that they will willingly, knowingly vote to put a traitor, an irresponsible, pathological liar, malignant narcissist who demonstrably will throw anything (including the nation) and anyone under the bus if it gives him a perceived personal gain.
If they lose too many seats in 2024 and again not make suitable gains in 2026 with a populist message it will not play in 2028. Then party leaders will stop supporting losing candidates. We'll still see some populist messaging like we saw with establishment candidates like Romney and McCain when they ran, but it won't be true believers.
no dispute there at this point in time, but that may encourage many republicans to stay home next election day...
veering so hard right in the primaries for the base this time will make it more difficult to veer back to the center right before november to collect the independents.
Yes, I think that a Trump nominee will dissuade plenty of Rs. I see no path to the presidency for Trump unless a potent third party candidate arises who siphons votes from Biden (or if Biden has some serious event ... a scandal with teeth, a medical issue, ... and he remains in the race).
agreed, it's still way too early for any meaningful predictions. it's a school of fish surrounding their predator, waiting to be consumed, because they all can't/won't flee at once.
unless trump is completely abandoned by the GOP, he wrecks any chances they have most of the way down the national ballot.
Check out the Graffiti in Men's Room. It is fading away, and little new is scrawled upon those "Hallowed Walls".
Thought that there were laws against scamming the elderly.
we'll need to build more republican prisons...
... or dig a really big hole in the desert. /s
That should not be a problem. Republicans are very good at slinging and shoveling BULL CHIPS!
No, NOT any more. Ever since [Deleted] in the Senate and the House became multimillionaires with a little help from their BILLIONAIRE
DONORS, Republicans have buried their MORAL CODE.
I thought you wrote comedy for a living?
Comedy will be if Trump gets prosecuted and found guilty.
he's not even in the same league as your unintended political satire here...
Uh oh
Boy...I hope the Lincoln Project never goes after anybody I like. They might change my mind. These guys are brutal
I'm sending them your email address and telling them you belong to Qanon...
I'll hunt you down...and steal your weed
oh shit!
Damn! I'd hate to make enemies of either one of you!
But since I am 1/765th Apache,= hate crime!
Suck on it bitches!
So far less than Lizzy Warren’s NA ancestry.
And, no one thought they could sing.
Isn't that WONDERFUL!
"It was a beautiful call!" You all!
when this is all over, I wonder what the final count of disbarred attorneys and convicted felons will be...
In the tens of thousands of Right Wing, Conservative Christian Republicans, I trust!
so zero loss to america then...
At least the mentally handicapped have job opportunities.
Those deplorable, blue collar, white workers?
I was watching that, very interesting. That one will likely go to the SCOTUS, but it's tough to argue against it.
I watched this too. And it will go to SCOTUS, the two collaborators are assisting "parties" to do just that! As this is a question to be answered by the constitutional stewards on the high court! The two are giving the impression that they will insist on it going to court (ASAP). Right now, they seem to want the 'concern' and interest to go viral. That is, spread like wildfire and get the public interested. Though, it being a "self-regulating" statute it seems these two concerned citizens believe disqualifications should occur at (red/blue) state levels by individual secretaries of state which will compel the courts to have to 'answer.'
an effort by all constitution upholding secretaries of state to keep trump off the ballot will make an electoral victory impossible for the sedition supporters, but it's a trump card that should be held as long as possible. let the republicans completely dig their political grave before pushing them into it.
Suffice it to say, if Trump is the GOP nominee the shit will hit the fan. The end result will be the GOP losing another presidential election (unless a third party siphons a lot of votes from the Ds).
Brain-dead stupid 'strategy' by the GOP (writ large) to not detach from Trump.
It's just political cowardice. No one dares stick their head up from the trench for fear of getting it blown off.
I expect most of them to eventually detach, but it will more than likely prove to be too late.
the reluctance of republicans to stand up to any political strongman is troubling.
The sad fact is MAGA republicans like their strongman just like he is- boiling and cumulative WARTS and ALL! Such people have been waiting and panting away for decades for their very own SOB "champion" to take to the field and stomp the liberals (and secularists) into political powder so fine it can be swept away on a light breeze.
MAGA republicans/conservatives are as cruel and deliberate as you can imagine them being. Basically, MAGA is telling liberals and secularists in their best English- We will not allow you to lead us to diversity, inclusion, or equality/equity!
Can MAGA be any plainer? Yes, but it's not necessary to be!
Yes. And the empressement of so many Americans to vote for those Republicans is perhaps even more troubling.
it's a personality cult, an autocratic personality...
TrumpTrueBelievers show all the characteristics of cultists:
Cults attract people who are lost, unsure of their future and need someone to tell them what to believe, how to live, and guide them.
Exactly
The far right has always shown a tendency to cling to mythology.
I saw this and was thinking the same thing: This should be posted. Thank you!
This is a must see VIDEO. "Bye, Bye Donnie!"
I'm really looking forward to seeing trump's mugshot at the end of this week.
I'm thinking all these "firsts" for trump and his supporters are a bit gut wrenching... too bad...
Hopefully can download it, print it, frame it and put it on a wall.
don't forget to superimpose a few concentric circles over it...
guess fat don's weight derail -
based on fulton county booking weigh in.
closest guess without going over...
my guess is 270 lbs.
3050 pounds, which includes appropriately 2700 in Diaper Waste. That is why folks call him: "Dirty Diaper Donnie"!
so 350 lbs. then...
hard to believe anyone can stack traitorous bullshit that high...
Over the years the fat compresses the spine so I'm guessing Trump is now about 5'10" if that. Funny how he just keeps becoming smaller and smaller in every way.
Except, of course for his gut and his head.
If one factors in his "Dirty Diaper", it should be 850 pound. That includes deposits and the "Hidden Wiper" in his DEPENDS, according to my "sauces". (Doctors Ding-Dong & Ding-A-Ling)
This mugshot ...
... with Trump looking furious and beaten will be the most displayed image of Trump in history books.
I doubt this occurred to him, but he just made a monster mistake.
Not that this matters much in the big picture, but I thought I would make the observation.
Beaten? That's what you see?..
Why would I write it if I did not mean it?
Yes, his head is down, not up.
You mean deadbeat. That's what we all see.
Isn't he "LOVE-ER-LY"?
Lookin' good!
INMATE NO. P01135809
Looks kinda pissed off to me.......
Nah. He looks like his usual sweet and charming self.
that picture may be his most lucrative grift yet for shaking down the suckers that still support him...
It appears to this classless observer that T-Rump is NUTS!
That is T-Rump's natural look without the makeup and a pocketful of Adderalls, or so I am told by one of my many
HALLUCINATIONS!
I always listen to my instincts.
And is leading by multiple double digits for the GOP nomination!
Very strange times.
Very strange times indeed. It certainly says a lot about the Republican Party.
The GOP has become the Party of Putin.
it's going to be very difficult to pull off that elaborate comb over in prison without any access to hair spray...
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Ouch!
MAGA = my ass got arrested
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I always wondered what MAGA meant. Thank you!
maga =
MAGA = Make Americans Great full Again
IMO the way things are trending, the possibility of the final maga = mega asshole gets assassinated. /s
... and he pleads not guilty.
this should make for some interesting televised coverage for republicans during the 2024 campaign...
another trump presidential campaign with lots of free coverage by the media without the demands of equal time by the other candidates...
I would urge democrats to capitalize on this future coverage by the national commercial media with local ad buys targeting local republicans.