The Republican Speaker of the House Battle
A few weeks ago we witnessed a first in American political history, a Speaker of the House has been canned. In the aftermath of this historic event, we have had a clown show of epic proportions taking place in the cradle of democracy.
Who will be the first Speaker of the House to follow the historic shit canning of Kevin McCarthy, the pride of Bakersfield, CA? The first out of the gate was Steve Scalise who begged his fellow Republicans for the chance to become Speaker and a Pinada at the same time. Thankfully he was saved from this humiliation as he was rejected by the ultra-far-right wacko's.
Next up is Jim Benghazi Jordan, he of useless and pointless investigations whose main attribute is screaming and hollering while conducting losing investigations. (he is quite good at pounding the table to no avail). Currently, Jimmy is begging his fellow right-wingers for their vote. There was a report this AM that there are twenty ''hard no's'' against Jimmy. It doesn't look good for him at this point, but it's a clown show so anything is possible. If he is rejected the cradle of democracy will be drifting in the wind with no solution in sight, and the clown show will continue unabated.
Secretly, a behind-the-door meeting has been taking place between Dems and Republicans in an attempt to solve this historic problem and return the US to some form of sanity which may be a stretch at this point. The King Makers have settled on a new candidate to break the logjam. Compared with the current crop is light years ahead in both intelligence and political savvy.
If Jimmy is rejected this is your new candidate
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An epic election with far-ranging consequences.
more like an epic rwnj shit show...
apparently it's an ongoing series now...
The Democrats are all lined up to raise huge reelection campaign donations with slogans like, "there are no more moderate Republicans" if they cave to Jordan. They will also tout his noncompliance with the Jan 6th committee and his continued commitment to keep his head up Trumps rectum. While this will only bring sneers from the Jordan populist base, it WILL energize Democrats to vote and probably swing a few moderate independents. I'm not certain running further to the right is the way to win more Republican voters.
3rd quarter fund raising has Biden at $71 million more than Trump, Desantis and Haley combined.
That's interesting. I'll be checking in on some House races next year. I'm expecting the Dems to claim the House after this dysfunction barring any last minute craziness.
We should be hearing the results of the first floor vote any time now. They are taking attendance. Jordan is not expected to reach 217 in the first vote. Rumors had 20 hold-outs still this morning.
That is hilarious, I don't see where there is any difference now than then.
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I concur. That's not the best foot to start out on, but they had to know keeping that seat was a long shot in a state that went for Trump by 20%.
but, but, what about...
That's a typically ridiculous attempt to deflect.
This thread is supposed to be about the process of electing the next Speaker of the House.
No thanx.
Yeah? So? What's your point here other than deflection?
What does that have to do with House speaker?
Please don't.
OMG--- that's shocking! Quelle surprise! Could you explain further how that's so?
(Asking for a friend)
What makes you think the Dems will "Cave" to Jordan?
The Dems won't. The Republicans were looking to, but rumor news seems to indicate too many hold out still. We'll see later today.
I'm not certain running further to the right is the way to win more Republican voters.
I usually don't watch this sort of thing but today I did watch most of it.
One of my main take-a-ways was how many Republicans really don't like Jordan. (And I believe he is one of the more extreme Republicans. (Is he one of the Republicans that still hasn't admitted that "the election was NOT stolen?)
One of my main take-a-ways is how many Republicans don't like each other. That conference has issues that are manifesting now.
He is. He's a co-founding member of the Freedom Caucus.
Jim Jordan colluded with a traitor. If he gets put in a high office like Speaker Of The House it will be a disgraceful day for the United States.
Oh, he's also a known conspiracy monger.
Not to mention he has shown contempt for the same Congress he is a member of.
And Democrats colluded with Matt Gaetz to put him in power.
Job well done!
They are the masters of lacking the intelligence or foresight to understand the consequences of their actions.
Just like they are shocked to learn that taking in thousands of illegal aliens and offering them sanctuary costs money.
oh yeah, the dysfunction within the republican party's civil war is entirely the fault of democrats...
You know they are following the Trump narrative, blame someone else for your own stupid mistakes.
You have to wonder who they are blaming for Steve Scalise's loss, I bet it will be Nancy Pelosi and if Jimmy gets defeated today it will be Dog's fault.
meh, you really can't expect trumpsters to be able to function in our form of gov't...
Good point!
Matt Gaetz has sooooooo much power now and its all due to the Democrats!
(Who knew?)
OMG-- I didn't know that! That's terrible!
Could you explain how they did it?
(If you can't-- could you at least provide a link to back it up?)
I want Dog! And I want Cat for the position next to House Speaker!
I'm with you, Trout.
cat looks a lot more trustworthy than maga moron jordan...
She is
And she's a Republican. All cats are Republicans...or Libertarians. Change my mind
felines are autocats...
Well here we go: Hakeem Jeffries vs. Jim Jordan for Speaker.
Too bad our partisan-entrenched Congress cannot work together. The GOP has nobody to offer (best they have is Jordan???) so the sensible path forward is with Jeffries. But ... no ... partisanship creates irrational behavior yet again.
Looks like Jordan is screwed on the first vote already.
Yes. The GOP is not in lockstep.
I'll skip the obvious joke ...
I would laugh for days if 4 moderate Republicans switched parties. It's not going to happen, but it would be funny.
there would be a maga stampede to vacate the chair...
Yes, but it would be funny watching them do it. The Dem would need 6 for a majority. The Republicans still have 20 hold outs.
if I could remove all logic, reason, and sense of patriotism from my brain, I could make a prediction. whatever happens after this debacle, you know the rules to vacate the chair will change. they'll pull that ladder up behind them...
Of course. The promise to get the gavel was baffling. I said he wouldn't last the year, though he did last longer than I thought he would.
not me. more graphic violence please...
As mentioned I watched most it.
I knew he wouldn't win, but for most of it Jeffries vote was either equal to, or above the total for Jordan! (And of course that's in a Republican majority House). Considered how this keeps playing out I wonder: can Republicans be that stupid-- they can't even elect a speaker when they have a majority.
Actually I don't think is just stupidity. It must be something else....
(But-- what is it?)
Dysfunction based on a radical minority of Trump sycophants coupled with a razor thin majority (due to Trump).
If there is enough pressure to get the government operating again, especially in light of both domestic and international reasons, is it possible that enough Republicans might get McCarthy to take the job again, hoping that there could be enough Democratic support to elect him. However, the Democrats might just be happy to allow the Republicans to make themselves so inept and useless that next year they will find themselves totally decimated. But then, I guess that assumes that most American voters have a brain in their heads.
Anger. There are enough members in the conference that fundamentally disagree on how to govern. There are the populists like Jordan and hard right wingers like Scalise and moderate members like those in the Governance Caucus. As TiG says, arguments between those groups breads dysfunction when they don't have enough members to push one agenda over another.
No. The Dems don't like McCarthy at all. More likely if this doesn't resolve today some in the House may try to empower the Speaker Pro Tem to call legislation, but some feel that would also be unconstitutional so I'm not sure that would even fly. It might, but it would be extraordinary.
Jeffries: 212, Jordan: 200, Others: 20, Not Vote: 1
What a mess.
The Dems all voted for Jeffries. The 20 others were Republicans.
Yup
Most commentators were surprised at the 20-- it was much, much higher than predicted.
The next speaker of the house and a fine example of bi-partisanship.
Hail to the Speaker: Level-headed, with all four paws on the ground. A vast improvement over the Kevin, Steve and Jimmy.
K
meh, at least the knuckle dragger faction of the GOP didn't nominate trump. the current ass-kissing contest is confusing republicans.
That Dog has my vote. Now all they need is a bird-- maybe a Canary or Parakeet?
That way we can have both a woofer and a tweeter.
American voters have in fact voted dogs and goats into official governing positions, so your suggestion isn't as far-fetched as it appears.
I've heard rumors that if there is another vote today it could be worse than this last one.
EDIT: CSPAN is reporting another vote will happen today.
Another vote is a waste of time, DOG is the new house speaker and as his first comment to congress he has promised that Jewish Space Lasers will be conficated and confined to the Dog House.
And then he'll growl and pee on Rep Santo's leg...
“…confined to the Dog House.”
…and when the eventual ‘speaker’ yells ‘Heel’…they’ll all assume the position, thinking that was actually their name.
I'd rather Dog take a chunk out of his leg....
Or...maybe he'll start humping Santos leg!
The Ds need 5 Rs to cross the aisle and Jeffries will be elected Speaker.
The Rs need 17 to move to Jordan.
The math favors Jeffries, but the politics makes that a nearly impossible achievement.
Sadly, that is probably true, T,G.
I don't think Jeffries could actually be Speaker, but these aren't normal times so as far as I can tell anything is possible if this drags on much further. None of this is going unnoticed by voters though. There will be repercussions in some of districts up for re-election.
those are the people that democrats should be offering a deal. maga scum will primary them anyway....
At first I viewed all this nonsense in a negative light-- its not good for the country.
But there is a possible benefit from the idiocy of some of these Republicans-- they may lose the next election by a really wide margin.
they've got too much ground to make up with the voters, they'll be in full campaign mode after the holidays, and they'll be forced to defend the leader of the party's courtroom theatrics at every campaign stop.
For sure those are those 'informal' back room talks we've been hearing about.
I agree. This is the part of politics that pisses me off.
It's more than possible. We'll see. It will also be interesting to see where Republicans spend their money next year and who get's primaried too.
It wouldn't happen, but wouldn't it be great if the Republican controlled House would elect Jeffries as Speaker?
(The only thing better than that would be for the Santos to win the Republican presidential primary!)
No. Santos should be in jail.
I think Jeffries is probably the best (within reach) choice the House has for Speaker right now.
No. Santos should be in jail.
Actually I totally agree. I was just joking (which I'm beginning to realize is not a good idea here. I've been gone from NT for a fairly long time, but I am slowly re-learning what's acceptable and what isn't.)
I think Jeffries is probably the best (within reach) choice the House has for Speaker right now.
I agree. Except for the part about it being in reach. (I just can't seeing him winning in a Republican controlled House (well, unless the Republicans keep acting like fools, keep attacking each other in which case Jeffries could win!
Jeffries is possible given it takes only 5 to cross the aisle. If the shit keeps hitting the fan, we could see a historic move like that.
Santos can be his own "Worst Lady".
David Joyce is the leader of the Republican moderate Governance Caucus and has backing within both parties, just not with Republican Leadership. It just hasn't been in the front page news but I've heard some talk around the edges.
I'm also hearing more this morning of McHenry as Speaker.
Just give everyone a Bingo card and pull the little balls from the cage, who ever gets Bingo first is the new speaker.
It might approach that.
It may increase the odds of getting a competent speaker than letting them decide.
No wonder the once Grand Old Party of Abraham Lincoln is now known merely as "the gop"? They actually lowered their own case...
For some strange reason its almost like they want to lose....
One of my favourite quotes (which I've posted before):
Suppose I was an idiot. And suppose I was a member of Congress. But I repeat myself.
-Samuel Langhorne Clemens
Trump called Jim Jordan "a fantastic young man" today.
Jim Jordan is 59 years old.
Some of trump's recent comment are worse than usual. I wonder if he's getting senile? Or maybe its just the stress of so many indictments...and maybe he's finally started to realize he may not be able to weasel his way out like he used to do.?
So Jordan is 18 years younger. Is 59 the new 45?
I don't think Jordan has ever even supported any decent legislation.
How many ballots will it take for Jordan to realize that...
Raskin floats Liz Cheney, Mitt Romney, Angus King as consensus speaker options
Yes, Cheney, Romney, and King are excellent choices for Speaker. But the dysfunctional GOP has moved away from the GOP of old.
Both Cheney & Romney are not Trump supporters, So IMO very few Republicans would vote for them. Angus King is an Independent (unless he became a Democrat?) He's a moderate (whatever that means!) but I think he's much too progressive for most Republicans (?)
So IMO very few Republicans would vote for them.
Actually now that I think about it one of them might make it-- each of them would get some Democratic votes and perhaps lose some Democratic votes-- and each of them would probably get some Republican votes and lose some Republican votes.
But that might get one of them to win!
Indeed, the root of the dysfunction within the GOP.
True. But while they are a minority in the current gooop-- I mean Gop!-- there are few moderate Republicans.
Yeah, but I doubt there are enough left to vote for Cheney, Romney, King or anyone else (e.g. Hutchinson) who could taken on the role as a competent adult seeking to do what is best for the nation.
No.
The only Speaker in modern history to lose the house twice? i would think democrats would be happy the loser is gone.
It looks a bit tense in the House this morning...
I'm sure it will get more tense as the day wears on.
The day, the week... lol!
I can do without all the Dems cheering during that speech.
Tom Cole called Jim Jordan "an honorable man". Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!
Liar.
We pay federal taxes to fund a government of elected Republican buffoons who can’t understand that if an internal Jordan vs. Scalise competition results in Scalise, and he ultimately cannot close the deal, then running Jordan is an exercise in futility. Your tax dollars at work.
A minute ago? Playing games?
Any other random words you’d like to string together?
Only two, but I can't say them.
You have all done a nice job here.
Five sensible Republicans could end this by voting for Jeffries...
Five sensible democrats could end this by voting for the party that has the majority in the house.
Jeffries is substantially better for the nation than Jordan. We need to rid Congress of Trump sycophants.
For Jordan?! ROFL. You think it’s sensible for some democrats to vote FOR an election denying QAnon nut job?!
Hakim is a partisan hack, like members of both sides, they voted to create this Chaos, The democrats should not get rewarded for causing this.
As far as I am concerned, any member of Congress who supports Trump, given all that Trump has done, is too irresponsible, irrational and unpatriotic to hold office.
I think the democrats helped cause this and are not going to get rewarded for it. Democrats are the masters of sticking their heads up their asses and then complaining it is dark.
Of course you do, but any congress member who supports Palestine's attempted genocide of Israel should get to stay.
A partisan hack that received more votes than the best Republicans have to offer in a Republican majority House.
Helped? How? By not changing their intentions to deny two openly hostile imbeciles the opportunity to be second in line for the presidency? Maybe five should do that and recite “THANK YOU SIR MAY I HAVE ANOTHER” after their vote.
Your jealousy is obvious.
You see that a lot with people who are mentally challenged, when one starts to laugh they all laugh without understanding why, democrats are like that.
When it comes to QAnon election denying nutjobs every single democrat is crystal clear in their understanding.
Reagan was and continues to be correct
Apparently you have forgotten that today’s conservatives would find Reagan to be a far left radical.
Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same.
- Ronald Reagan
This is why Democrats are so tightly united against the highly fractured farce that the right has become.
Democrats love election denying nut jobs. They put them on the j6 committee.
Yep, and anyone that voted for Trump, given all that Trump has done, is too irresponsible, irrational and unpatriotic to vote. S/
Pot kettle.
No, that is not what I wrote and have never written. I do not blame people for voting for Trump in 2016 (not so generous with 2020). I am writing about the 2024 vote.
I write about those who would vote for Trump NOW given all that we know. In particular, those who would vote for a traitor who attempted to steal a US presidential election (the only time in our history) as sitting PotUS, abusing his influence and using coercion, fraud, lies, suborning his own V.P. to commit an unconstitutional act, and inciting his supporters.
And in my prior comment I was talking about members of Congress.
This is not about a vote for a party-- its about voting for an individual.
Yes, Krishna, but in America these days divisive partisan politics rules the day. If it did not, I would think that Liz Cheney would make a perfect Speaker of the House, and has already proven her bipartisanship, but can she do that if she is not an elected member of Congress? I guess the problem is there are still too many Trump sheep who are lawmakers.
O could be wrong but I believe I've read that aa Speaker can be elected who is not even a member of the House (?).
However I don't think would have a chance of being elected-- many Republicans hate her because she is too hones and many Democrats wouldn't like her because she is too conservative!!
True
Yes but Reagan only has one more year in office till Sanctimonious is elected by a landslide.
And anyway-- do bears shit in the woods?
Five sensible Democrats could have voted for McCarthy and we would not be where we are now. Seems maybe it was more important for them to point and say how dysfunctional the Republicans are instead of keeping the guy that just went across the aisle to keep the government running. If Jordon ends up as the guy they should all be kicking themselves in the ass, they could have helped prevent this
Of course. Party politics is so much more important to them than actually governing the country for The People.
Considering how much money it takes these days to run for office, we have the worst government money can buy.
But, but, but...Jordan is the guy!
They had yet another vote-- behind closed doors-- and Jordan won! (He was voted biggest fool in the Republocratic Party!
So yes-- you are correct. JORDAN IS "THE GUY'!
There's the second vote this week....
Jeffries will NOT be Speaker in a Republican majority House. It would be career suicide for any Republican to vote for him and the Democrats know that. The idea is to hold out for a moderate Republican option the Republicans get behind. Then some Dems may cross isle to get it done.
It's time to elect DOG who is ready willing and far more able than Jim Jordan.
Will Dog call for an impeachment vote? Hahahaha!
Cat backs him up
She's a troublemaker
Dog & Cat should run for President and VP.
Don't give them ideas. LOL
There are some Republicans that would be perfectly acceptable traditional Republican leaders. None of them wants this job, because they know the far right loons will sabotage them. Hence we are left with Jim Jordan taking bullets for the team. I think they actually should make Trump speaker just for the sheer train wreck entertainment value.
I am sure this was tongue-in-cheek, but I want to just note that Trump should never be given access to any power of any kind.
The idea that the Democrats are responsible (because they dont want a traitor 2nd in line to the presidency) is one of the craziest things Ive heard in a while.
I found this article I thought interesting...
That's interesting.
Does McHenry even want to be the Speaker? I know he's publicly stated he doesn't want the position but who really knows what is said in those back rooms.
He does say no, but there are a lot of new articles online right now talking about expanding McHenry's power as Pro Tem until a Speaker is picked OR the current government funding is expired on Nov 17th.
Yeah, I saw those and I think it would be a good idea so that the House could start doing the business of the country. And McHenry would still just be temporary in that position. I like that he's a fiscal conservative yet is open to bipartisanship actions.
Did you catch Adam Schiff trying to make hay from this? He was so quick to try to point out just how bad it would be if Jordan was made the Speaker.. What a moron, saying the Speaker would preside over the counting of electoral votes. How quickly, when trying to score points, they forget simple facts.
Yeah, that's dumb. Though he may be thinking since Jordan supported the 'fake elector' idea he could, as Speaker, have an impact on the proceedings if tried again. It's still sounds dumb. Schiff is just trying to raise money from partisans as they seem to always want to do.
There is a plus side to this. There will be no unnecessary spending (like sending billions to Ukraine) or any declarations of war. That must have the democrats fuming.
It dosn't have me fuming at all. We are also sending billions to Israel in case you hadn't noticed.
I don't recall mentioned you. So, what's your point?
You must have a very short memory your comment was:
Being a member of the Democratic party, that would include me. It's fairly simple but if you don't have a legitimate response I guess trying to blind people with bullshit is go-to response for you.
That's the point, Jeremy.
You went though all that to say....nothing.
Oh, I did point out that you cannot accept what you wrote and try to BS your way around it.
That is evident to anyone who can read but if you insist on being incorrigible that is up to you.
Maybe in your head.
You should quit digging when you're in a deep hole, as I stated it's there for everyone to see. Perhaps you should look up the meaning of incorrigible.
Cheers
They last time Congress declared war was WWII.
Do you "blame" the Democrats for that?
certainly he does, it totally alienated the neo-nazi segment of the GOP for decades...
So you're a mind reader now. Quick, what am I thinking now!
... maga roulette, you leave 1 chamber empty, but you have to pull the trigger twice to win...
Yeah, you fucked that up too.
You are not thinking.
Jordan remains in the race for Speaker this morning while his opposition within the conference are saying he'll continue to lose votes until he drops out.
I haven't heard when the next vote will take place yet, but one is expected today.
Jordan has dropped out (for now) and will back McHenry for an expansion of powers to the Speaker pro Tem until January. I think this is a good move as it was expected that Jordan would continue to lose votes.
Interesting. Now the question is - is the plan to empower McHenry Constitutionally legal? If so, I might be the best way forward.
EDIT: With a vote of the House they can formally make him Speaker Pro Tempore.
Here are the powers. copy/paste didn't work -
There isn't much McHenry can do and any expansion of these powers moves us into legally gray areas -
functions that are within the scope of authority of a Speaker pro
tempore are calling the House to order, making various announcements,
answering parliamentary inquiries, putting the question, counting for
a quorum, ruling on points of order, and designating another Speaker
pro tempore. Deschler Ch 6 Sec. Sec. 9, 10. When the Office of Speaker
is vacant, the Member acting as Speaker pro tempore under rule I
section 8(b) may exercise such authorities of the Office as may be
necessary and appropriate pending the election of a Speaker or Speaker
pro tempore.
The authority of a Speaker pro tempore to exercise certain powers
depends on whether he is designated, designated and approved, or
elected. The powers of a designated Speaker pro tempore, compared with
those of an elected Speaker pro tempore, are relatively limited.
Deschler Ch 6 Sec. Sec. 10, 14.
Absent unanimous consent or specific House approval, a designated
Speaker pro tempore may not:
Administer the oath of office to a Member-elect. Deschler Ch 6
Sec. 12.8.
Announce appointments made by the Speaker pursuant to law. 96-
1, Jan. 31, 1979, p 1511.
Appoint conferees or make appointments of additional
conferees. Deschler Ch 6 Sec. Sec. 12.9, 12.10.
Appoint Members to attend a funeral. Deschler Ch 6 Sec. 12.14.
Spread upon the Journal a veto message from the President.
Deschler Ch 6 Sec. 12.11.
By contrast, an elected Speaker pro tempore may, for example,
appoint conferees, administer the oath of office to a Member-elect,
and preside at a joint session of Congress. Deschler Ch 6
Sec. Sec. 12.8, 14, 14.8.
Yep, and that is a loaded question.
Of course with the other side of that question, who would bring forth a court case for / against this? With the backdrop of the war in Ukraine and in Israel, and the simple issue that the current budget CR expires in less than 30 days, do the people against this sort of action want to tie up the issue with court challenges and further delay any action that the government can take that requires Congressional funding/approval?
I know there are plenty of idiots in Congress, but would they truly be willing to put their political future on the line for something like this? I can see any challenges to this backfiring on them come election time as it would definitely be used by their opponents.
It seems to have broad support, but it only takes one Congressional monkey to throw a wrench. The news involving the harassment of Jordan hold outs makes me think it's possible any one of those people could raise the question. I guess we'll see if they plan to do this today or tomorrow.
When Gaetz started this whole clusterfuck he said he didn't care if it cost him his seat. Remember some of the populist were sent in to shut down all spending. The issues in Israel do change that paradigm so I don't know how to answer that question. I'm always amazed at the amount of stupid we see every day from people who think they are smarter than everyone else.
Gaetz said he plans on running for governor of Florida since DeSantis will be termed out.
Truth or BS who knows his father said he will be running for the state senate he served some years in the state legislature previously.
Either way he still has access to underage party girls and coke.
Well this idea didn't last long - McHenry is too moderate for the Jim Jordan backers and they won't capitulate. During a conference meeting today -
House Republican: Jim Jordan team 'harassing our spouses'
I've read a number of articles on the harassment. Anonymously calls and texts to office staff and family members is unforgivable.
Yes, they are but in today's political climate not unexpected.
that's all part of the "normal political discourse" for republicans...
In fact they're de rigueur!
And now, this...
If Jim Jordan is Speaker, for however long, NOTHING THAT WILL BENEFIT a so-called "normal/average" American will be accomplished by Government. And be assured of … • Legislation to help Organized Wealth, • Political Revenge "Investigations", • Deference to Trump
In the meantime, I wish the American voters were intelligent enough to comprehend that the Republicans are not capable of governing America, since they are incapable of getting their own act together.
Jim Jordan Opts Out of Third Day of Public Humiliation
As of this morning he was talking of another vote this afternoon, but the rumors from his party opposition say he'll lose another 4 to 10 votes if he does. What would be fantastic is having the Dems nominate and vote for a moderate Republican like McHenry or Joyce and see if that vote goes through. They would only need 5 other Republicans to pass. It wouldn't happen, but then again there are no adults in the House these days.
I guess we will see if enough Republicans have received the adequate number of threats to congeal as one voice ... and they're still voting for Jordan. @!@ And down he goes again ... blame the Dems, blame the Dems ... blame the Dems and their sneaky commie submarine!
Jordan doesn't have the votes and the threats have backfired.
The Gods are commie's too!
Jordon might do worse today than in the previous two votes.
Maybe he should not have worn a jacket, he's hard to recognize wearing one.
He has no skills or the proper appearance for a Representative much less the Speaker.
Indeed he did. 25 Rs voting for someone else now.
I didn't see the voting this morning, but just caught up now.
There is already talk of another possible vote again today.
That would be insanity, right?
I've long equated populism with insanity.
Oh well, maybe it's time for spin the bottle. Where's Boehner, he should have an empty one.
Anyone who attributes that to Einstein should be taken out back and shot.
Gym "jacket-off"?
gee, it looks like the house doesn't want a pedophile enabling insurrectionist as speaker...
it got even worse afterwards in the back room with a secret ballot...
oh well, so much for the republican tradition of having an ohio SOTH involved with pedophilia...
From WaPo
Now we'll wait for Monday and see what plan F will be. By then it will be nearly 20 days without a Speaker of the House and 25 left to pass various spending bills.
From USA Today:
Multiple candidates immediately jumped into the speaker's race following Jordan's exit. They are:
Other candidates are still considering a speakership bid. They are:
Yep, just received and email from my Representative, Jack Bergman, and I immediately sent back a "Go for it".
He isn't my first choice, but he's not Jordan.
Per this list, every one of those seeking the speakership are either Trump supporters or they have not offered an endorsement:
I saw another list where only 2 of the candidates voted to certify the results of the 2020 election.
I met buck on a golf course before he ran for congress. nice enough guy, but then I found out he was a bible thumping attorney that owned a gun shop. talk about a 3 legged chair of a human.
The fact that you would vote for any republican...
The important question is whether he cheated.
Anybody who cheats at golf is scum of the earth.
I agree. I spent the first several years not keeping score when I played. I figured what's the point if you're shooting over 100 every round. it really pissed off my golf buddies for some reason. as I got better and when I had to play in company tournaments, I started to, but since I was never going to qualify for the PGA tour, so what...
Exactly, why mess with performance metrics when participation is what’s important.
I mentioned this once before here, but IMO its interesting so I'll repeat it.
One of my closest friend lives in Boca Raton, Florida. A short drive from Mar a Lago. She's an avid golfer-- and sometimes plays on the same golf course as Trump uses.
One day she happened to get a caddy who is Trump's caddy! They got to talking, and he confided in her that not only does Trump cheat at golf, but he's consistent-- he does so more than just about any golfer this caddy has worked for!
So let's get back to more important things now.
Travis and Taylor are officially a couple!
Let's hope he can protect her as well as her regular bodyguard (he just took a leave of absence from the job as he went off to fight for his country).
trump calls emmer a rino and he drops out of the speaker race... carry on with the maga shit show...
the political worship of an unamerican criminal traitor by the right wing in america is truly disgusting...
Seems we have a new speaker of the house, the perfect Republican, he is anti everything.
Except he is pro Trump. Just perfect for the current dysfunctional GOP.
A perfect model for the GOP.
This moron believes he has all the answers and that all the American people are excited for his far right agenda.
Getting rid of SS and medicare is very high on America's list. /s Him, trying to sell that to the American public is going to be interesting to say the least.
If I had more faith in the American voters' intelligence I would think that the Republicans putting an extremist MAGA election-denying anti-abortionist creationist in charge of Congress would cause a landslide for the Democrats next election.
If they nominated anybody worth voting for, it would.
I bet America would advance by leaps and bounds if it didn't treat its politics like a football game.
That requires a level of intellectual effort most Americans simply lack either the capacity or willingness to invest.
Look at some of the moronic memes on this forum. Check out the blind, rabid defense or condemnation of Trump or Biden or De Santis or any other political figure. Almost no thought goes into any of that. It takes more work than most people are willing to invest or it takes more intelligence than they possess.
Good assessment, Jack. There really is a little good and a little bad in everyone and everything, It's best to maintain, as my avatar says, balance.
IMO there’s a strong probability the Dems will win— but not necessarily because of all those issues. If it’s a close race there’s one issue that will create a Democratic win: abortion.
I used to think Gen Z would really help the Dems are they are mostly leftists. I know a few personally. But they may not affect the election much as many are so far left most probably wouldn’t vote for Democratic candidates but rather waste their votes on far out leftist 3rd party candidates.
Also more than any other age group most of them are bothered a lot by Biden’s.
Also many Gen Z are just totally nuts in so many ways….
"Bothered a lot by Biden's" WHAT? age? attitude? VP pick? etc etc etc
My error! Thanks for pointing it out.
Very tired didn’t get enough sleep last night so a bit careless in my posting. They are really bothered by his age.
What was it about last night? I had the worst night I can remember as well. I don't think I was able to sleep more than a couple of hours.
I haven't checked lately, but I believe there's been an Eclipse lately, may Scorpio/Taurus axis. This is Astrological-- Eclipses can produce negative energies. and Scorpio can be nasty.
Full Moon
...and empty arms?