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Link to Quote: Mike Johnson elected House speaker with unanimous GOP support, ending weeks of chaos (cbsnews.com)
Last night Republican House members finally united to elect a Speaker. He is not widely known. His name is Mike Johnson (R) Louisiana. The fact that he is not well known may have helped unite the party behind him.
But while Johnson’s lack of experience might pose some challenges, it may also have been what helped him get elected, says Matthew Green, a politics professor at Catholic University who authored a book on the historical role of House Speakers. “It's almost like picking a Supreme Court Justice who has never written any prior decisions,” Green says. “We just don't know what he’s going to be like. I think it's one of the big reasons that he got the nod... because every member and every faction can sort of look at him and see something they like."
Mike Johnson Elected As House Speaker After Weeks of Turmoil | TIME
Johnson's very first act was to call for a House resolution condemning Hamas (HR 771) which reaffirms America's support for Israel. The resolution received bipartisan support, but not the unanimous support of the House. The resolution passed by a vote of 412-10 with 6 members voting "present."
The 10 members voting against the resolution:
Rep Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, D-NY.
Rep Ilhan Omar, D-Minn.
Rep Rashida Tlaib, D-Mich.
Rep Jamaal Bowman, D-N.Y.
Rep Summer Lee, D-Pa.
Rep Cori Bush, D-Mo.
Rep André Carson, D-Ind.
Rep Al Green, D-Texas.
Rep Delia Ramirez, D-Ill.
Voting "present":
Rep Greg Casar, D-Texas
Rep Ayanna Pressley, D-Mass.
Rep Joaquin Castro, D-Texas
Rep Nydia Velázquez, D-N.Y.
Rep Jesús "Chuy" Garcia, D-Ill.
Rep Pramila Jayapal, D-Wash.
Speaker Johnson will now face some enormous tasks. A government shutdown deadline of Nov. 17 is looming. Johnson has already stated that a stopgap measure extending funding until January or April may be needed to approve more spending and avoid a shutdown. Then there is the money president Biden has requested to fund Ukraine, Israel, Taiwan and the southern border. If Johnson is truly wise, he will find a way to unlink those things and present funding bills for each of those items separately.
Sadly, the new Speaker must deal with the same members and the same problem. The rule is still in place that allows only one member to vacate the chair, at which point every democrat will vote to vacate and resume the chaos.
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A lot happened yesterday afternoon including a nationwide university walkout by student groups supporting Palestinians. I'm not sure if they are learning anything at school anyway and their departure has to be a plus for those interested in learning as well as those interested in a safe school environment.
The rep who pulled the fire alarm when democrats were trying to delay a vote was no sooner charged and is now claiming a plea deal worked out with the Capitol Police.
And then there is this:
The FBI maintained more than 40 confidential human sources on various criminal matters related to the Biden family, including Joe Biden, dating back to his time as vice president, according to information obtained by Sen. Chuck Grassley.
The confidential human sources "provided criminal information to the FBI relating to Joe Biden, James Biden, and Hunter Biden." Those confidential human sources were managed by multiple FBI field offices across the nation—including the FBI’s Seattle Field Office.
But Grassley learned that an FBI task force within the Washington Field Office sought to, and in some cases, successfully, shut down reporting and information from those sources by falsely discrediting the information as foreign disinformation. That effort "caused investigative activity to cease."
FBI received 'criminal information' from over 40 confidential sources on Joe Biden, Hunter, James: Grassley (msn.com)
order restored = a goober religious wacko that's an election denier is now speaker of the house...
a fucking big lie dominionist has just been made lead chainsaw juggler in the maga moron circus...
Maybe Democrats should have thought things through more before ousting the Speaker.
Aren't y'all a tad late in starting the hate fest against the new speaker?
Now the Republicans get back to digging up dirt on the Biden Crime Network
And you could have had McCarthy, who worked with democrats.
It looks like the dems FUCKED themselves.
Ya! Today's gqp is nothing but whackjobs and quite the freakshow.
That scumbag Johnson voted to overturn the legal election of President Biden and now he's in place to do so in 2024. gqp are such freaking scum
No, former 'president' ass kisser mccarthy did not work with Democrats.
As usual the gqp has FUCKED themselves.
Democrats should have thought things through?
Is this the “Democrat” who agreed to the rule that only one member was necessary to call for a vote to remove the Speaker?
Is this one of the Democrats you refer to? Is this the “Democrat” who called for the vote to remove the Speaker?
yes.
Um, ahem, err, cough . . . BULLSHIT!
Talk about gaslighting!
How exactly could we have had McCarthy? The moment Democrats voted for McCarthy, Matt Gaetz - or some similarly-minded shithead - would have been right back up there forcing a vote to remove him. It would have gone on forever.
It’s not up to Democrats to elect the Republican leader.
Democrats nominated Hakeem Jeffries multiple times. Republicans could have had Hakeem Jeffries. What about that? Shouldn’t you blame Republicans for not voting for him?
It’s apparent that some Republicans - and their supporters - would happily light the whole country on fire and then blame someone else for not being better at putting out the fire. Does anybody in politics take responsibility for the shit they do? Or will it always be someone else’s fault?
Have you identified those Democrats I posted yet?
Simply by keeping their word. They could have simply voted present when the original motion was presented. Instead 100% of Democrats supported Gaetz while 96% or so of Republicans opposed him.
There is no dirt despite all the digging
And Gaetz would have been right back up there calling for another vote. Don’t blame Democrats for something insanely stupid that McCarthy agreed to and Gaetz performed. Hold people accountable for the shit they actually did.
Eight votes mean nothing vs 427 votes.
It is not bullshit. The truth is that democrats would rather have an issue to embarrass Republicans with that a Speaker they can work with.
And he would have been outvoted every time.
NONE of this was the Democrats’ idea. The Freedom Caucus invented this insanity. McCarthy threw away his spine and agreed to it, just so he could be Speaker. Then Matt “The Shooter” Gaetz pulled the trigger. And if the House somehow elected anyone else he didn’t like, he’d have pulled the trigger again . . . and again . . . Until he got what he wanted.
Meanwhile, we have a looming government shutdown, our friends at war need our help, but fuck all that. Just so long as the Freedom Caucus wins their political game.
And I’ll ask it again, since no one wants to answer: If Democrats are to be blamed for not supporting Kevin McCarthy, why shouldn’t Republicans be blamed for not supporting Hakeem Jeffries?
By the way, I don’t much care who the Speaker is, or what party they represent. I want the business of the country handled.
Notice that Democrats are not moving to oust the new speaker. This grenade throwing is not their tactic. It belongs exclusively to House Republicans.
Believe me, if they were to try it, I would be just as angry at them.
It doesn't have to be their idea to take advantage of it.
If Democrats are to be blamed for not supporting Kevin McCarthy, why shouldn’t Republicans be blamed for not supporting Hakeem Jeffries?
Why would any majority party give up their majority.
I have a better question. Let us suppose the democrats were in the majority again, with a slim majority and the nominees were Jeffries and AOC and the squad having just enough votes to vacate the chair. You don't think some Republicans would gladly vote for Jeffries?
Then they would be directly blamed for the chaos. That is the line they won't cross.
They simply got outwitted by this guy:
There was nothing clever about anything he did.
You’re not making sense. You claim Democrats used the issue to embarrass Republicans. But then you say they were outsmarted by this jackass.
What difference does that make??? You’re already blaming them for shit the Republicans did!
Why do you say that? He must have factored in that the democrats would vote against every Republican nominee. Did he also factor in that most of the Republicans would move a bit to the right to simply & finally get a Speaker?
Yes, I am. Not many other people would unless of course the democrats initiated the move.
Because all this did was showcase how dysfunctional the Republican Party is - how disunited they are - how little leadership and inspiration they have for each other - and how the Freedom Caucus cares more about being loud than they do about governing.
It didn’t hurt Democrats. The course of legislation for the next year will not change. But it will likely help them next November.
do I need to?
if so, why?
Talk about a 'hatefest' . . . well, there you go!
Matt Gaetz and McCarthy and Johnson - y'all can have them!
That's MAGA for you. Irresponsible, reckless, and twisting themselves into political knots that they can't untie!
You shouldn't have to say so much to MAGA operatives. They will NEVER agree with you, because. . . well, operatives.
Couldn't be much worse than the lie being told already. That said, democrats up to this point anyway - tomorrow who knows the way this shit is going - don't consider the position of Speaker of the House to be something to treat in an unhinged emotional fashion. It's just now how liberals view government. Some conservatives like to think they can run things, but look at this hot mess they just spun their way out of - the public will not forget either. Fortunately, the democrats won't let them forget it. Oh and their is more. . . Watch this space! ("Newbie" Speaker: How long will this one last?)
the gqp is not sending us their best
The ONLY way--and even this is doubtful--that some Democrats will ever recognize the Biden Family corruption is if there is video and audio tape of Joe taking money or a check.
They will continue to ignore evidence and claim some plot.
The media refuses to cover it.
Having a copy of Frank's "loan repayment" check to Joe is a start. Now, all the Republicans need to do is follow the money, as Joe likes to say, and dig up financial details about the original "loan".
True enough. There should be a check or wire transfer to his brother for that amount to constitute a loan, right?
I fully expect some 'former career law enforcement officials' to release a letter exonerating the entire Biden Family for any and all things. Maybe even blame Russians again.
Probably 50 or 60 of them.
It depends on the interest rate of the loan, Joe could've floated James a twenty.
That would be usurious!
Why should the media cover fascist fantasy?
Do you doubt bank records showing the Biden Family profited millions from foreigners?
Do you doubt sworn testimony?
How about Hunter's own words?
How about Joe's lies?
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Awww. Those Bidens are yet running circles around MAGA? Well, keep it up. . . maybe y'all can get the Bidens before election 2024! /s
The Biden Family has been profiting from selling Joe.
How proud y'all must be!
Is anyone else shocked that it was ONLY Democrats refusing to support Israel and condemn Hamas?
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Seems as though both parties have undesirables in them.
Not I! Anyone who has studied antisemitism knows that in the 20th/21st centuries Wilson, FDR, Johnson, Obama, Biden, and their proxy ... the NYT ... have hated Jews. It seems to be part of some Democrats' (including The Squad and that ilk) DNA.
Kind of a blanket statement for a few individuals.
Maybe it seems that way because ONLY Democrats opposed it.
I didnt claim ALL Democrats opposed it.
how would you like me to word it to be more accurate?
Maybe it seems that way because some Democrats opposed it.
That clarifies things.
Okay, SOME Democrats opposed it.
NO Republicans or independents opposed it.
To be honest, there really isn't much difference between that and my original comment.
Yes it is, since a small minority is what is accurate.
It would be like me saying Republicans have said anti semitic comments when really is was only it was one person.
Pretty sure that one can disagree with an Israeli policy or action without being antisemitic.
I've disagreed with the actions of many presidents and many in congress in the past but I'm far from being anti-American. I'm just anti-asshole.
Apparently Kevin McCarthy wasn't MAGA enough for Democrats. At least Republicans have coalesced around a younger politician that is not wedded to the establishment status quo.
Matt Gaetz won this political game. And now it's pretty clear that Democrats lost. MAGA ain't just an idea, it's a way of life.
Don’t count your chickens. Donald Trump placed Johnson in the speaker seat. Trump will flip flop on abortion whenever it’s politically expedient to do so. Of course at this point Trump is not planning on winning an election based on counting votes so it probably won’t matter. Who better to elevate than the guy who bent over backwards trying to legitimize Trump’s last attempt to steal the election?
Yeah, Democrats really screwed the pooch when they ousted the Speaker.
Yeah, Democrats really screwed the pooch when they ousted the Speaker.
Republicans really screwed the pooch when they didn’t just accept that they are hopelessly unmanageable and that Jeffries would have been a reasonable solution. Now they are stuck under the thumb of a young earth creationist who wants ten year old incestual rape victims to die giving birth to mentally retarded babies.
I love how people are suddenly pretending that the Speaker can pass laws all by himself!
Where did I say pass laws? Can you actually read or are you pretending?
So you are just worked up over things that aren't happening?
Trump? Maybe. Don't overlook the fear of being primaryed by the MAGA grassroots. One thing certain, Democrats didn't choose Johnson to be Speaker.
Now we know 16 Democrats side with terrorists instead of Israel. Seems like Johnson has already used the Speaker's gavel pretty effectively.
It seems that is the only time they don't march in lock step.
90% of them are antisemitic and racist, they are just dumb enough to put it on record like these 16 did.
Lol. The delusion here. 1,500 Jewish civilians are massacred and Hamas holds American hostage and Democrats think a Farrakhan supporter is "reasonable."
I'd say the democrats have an anti-Semitism problem.
I'd say that you're wrong. Completely. Utterly. Without a doubt.
The facts are with me.
Starting at the top with Hakeem Jeffries.
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maga grassroots?
they're astroturfers/teabaggers
No, they are not.
Is it fun for you to just lie about the situation like that? Is politics more important to you than the country’s business?
Yes, they are
Rep Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, D-NY.
Rep Ilhan Omar, D-Minn.
Rep Rashida Tlaib, D-Mich.
Rep Jamaal Bowman, D-N.Y.
Rep Summer Lee, D-Pa.
Rep Cori Bush, D-Mo.
Rep André Carson, D-Ind.
Rep Al Green, D-Texas.
Rep Delia Ramirez, D-Ill.
And lots of liberal college campuses.
1,500 Jewish civilians are massacred and Hamas holds American hostage and Democrats think a Farrakhan supporter is "reasonable."
Your hyperbole is off the charts ridiculous. The chosen theocratic speaker would literally cheer on Gilead in the Handmaid’s Tale.
if you claim I lied, prove it.
The irony here is tremendous. Well done.
And doctors too.... The rot is spreading.
Imagine deciding it's wrong to call for the release of hostages..
Do you type that line out every time or just cut and paste it over and over and over? You really do need some new shtick. Only an idiot would believe that Jeffries is pro-Hamas as you are trying so desperately insinuate. Let me help you out with his actual publicly stated position:
I strongly condemn the violent and ghastly attack by terrorist organization Hamas on the Jewish people and the State of Israel. The loss of life in Israel as a result of the violent, calculated and unprovoked attack by Hamas is heartbreaking.
America stands firmly and unequivocally with Israel. We will strongly support Israel’s right to defend herself from this despicable attack that targeted civilians, including Israeli children, with rockets, gunfire and violent kidnappings. The Congress must stand with Israel until the invasion by Hamas has been crushed and security in Southern Israel and throughout the country has been permanently restored.
Johnson is for a national abortion ban, and like you he is against any exceptions for rape or incest. That is Gilead level mentality. Women are nothing more than incubators to him.
If you stopped saying such ludicrous things, i wouldn’t have to use it. Did it even occur to how preposterous it to criticize someone for using hyperbole and immediately follow it by accusing someone of supporting turning this country into Gilead?
Jeffries, With his history of defending Vicious anti Semite’s, sits by and lets his caucus spread hamas propaganda without so much as a rebuke.
hJohnson is for a national abortion ban, and like you he is against any exceptions for rape or incest. hat is Gilead level mentality.
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Johnson supports a national abortion ban and opposed Roe v. Wade . [85] In Congress, Johnson has supported bills outlawing abortion both at fertilization and at 15 weeks' gestation. [86] [87] In 2015 and 2016, he led an anti-abortion "Life March" in Shreveport-Bossier City. [88]
In a 2017 House Judiciary Committee meeting, Johnson argued that Roe v. Wade had made it necessary to cut social programs like Medicare and Medicaid : "Roe v. Wade gave constitutional cover to the elective killing of unborn children in America. ... You think about the implications of that on the economy; we’re all struggling here to cover the bases of Social Security and Medicare and Medicaid and all the rest. If we had all those able-bodied workers in the economy, we wouldn't be going upside down and toppling over like this." [85]
Johnson has co-sponsored bills attempting to ban abortion nationwide, such as the Pain-Capable Unborn Child Protection Act , the Protecting Pain-Capable Unborn Children From Late-Term Abortions Act, and the Heartbeat Protection Act of 2021. All three bills would impose criminal penalties, including potential prison terms of up to five years, upon doctors who perform abortions . [85]
In 2015, Johnson blamed abortions and the "break up [of] the nuclear family" for causing school shootings , saying, "when you tell a generation of people that life has no value, no meaning, that it's expendable, then you do wind up with school shooters." [89] [90]
That would be a first.
I would say a lot, the majority, of Jewish folks, are Democrats, so you are incorrect.
At least Democrats knew who they wanted as leader. They were firmly united behind him. Why don’t you hold Republicans responsible for not voting for that candidate?
Of course they were...
Democrats were firmly united in removing Kevin McCarthy. No Democrat voted to keep McCarthy. Democrats were united in creating chaos just to score unprecedented political points.
So, why didn't Democrats put Hakeem Jefferies in the Speaker's chair? Democrats were united behind Jefferies. And Jefferies got more votes than Jordan, after all. Seems like Democrats can only create chaos instead of doing the country's business.
Now Mike Johnson is Speaker. No Democrat voted for Johnson but that wasn't enough to deny Johnson the Speakership. And Democrats expect concessions? Now its MAGA all the way. Democrats contributed nothing and now that's all Democrats have earned.
MAGA is more than an idea, it's a way of life. Eric Adams is teaching New York City to love MAGA. And you will, too. Just a matter of time.
You didn’t answer the question you quoted, so I’ll ask it again.
Democrats were United behind one person. Republicans couldn’t even manage that. Why not vote for the Democrat?
Gaslighting again. Name the representative who called for the vote to oust the Speaker. What is his party?
Democrats expected Republicans to follow their lead. So, no Speaker until Republicans became as united as Democrats. Mike Johnson was made speaker by unanimous Republican support.
Why didn't Democrats vote for any Republicans? You do know that Democrats could have avoided the whole mess by voting for McCarthy.
Matt Gaetz won because Democrats were united in support of Gaetz. There were no dissenting Democrats; all Democrats voted for Gaetz's motion to remove McCarthy. Democrats became members of the Freedom Caucus by association. (That is how Democrats do things, isn't it?)
Now the House has a Speaker that is acceptable to the Freedom Caucus. Democrats climbed on that wagon when they united behind Gaetz. Why aren't Democrats patting themselves on the back?
None of you deserve a celebration. You should all be put in the stocks, so the people can pummel you with overripe produce. You should all be removed from office.You have done nothing but jerk this country around. You have engaged in political gamesmanship, while ignoring the urgent business of the country.
So you could prevent this insanity from repeating itself, but you won’t.
Arguably, the most offensive thing to basic human intelligence is this bizarre, gaslighting talking point that somehow all of this is the fault of House Democrats. As if it wasn’t Republicans who created - and have now doubled down - on this rule allowing a single malcontent to halt the country’s business. As if it were somehow the responsibility of Democrats to unite the Republican Party and elect a leader for that party.
In-fucking-sane.
Ceremony? Celebration? it blows my mind that it’s even a conversation, or that you congratulate yourself for not doing it. [removed]
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Awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The only thing Matt Gaetz could do was make a motion to remove McCarthy.
Republicans did not remove McCarthy. 208 Democrats and only 8 Republicans voted to remove McCarthy. 210 Republicans voted to keep McCarthy as Speaker.
Blaming Republicans for what Democrats did is gaslighting.
This must be a talking point on the conservative circuits.
What nonsense. It is almost a certainty that there will be no crossover votes for Speaker of the House:
So all of a sudden we see conservatives aflutter because a political party did what most every political party has done: voted for someone of their own party / not support someone of the opposing party.
Get real.
There was no chance that the Ds were going to vote for an R. To make such an historic change, the Rs and Ds would have needed to come to a bipartisan agreement. In today's divisive, highly partisan, irrational political environment, that is unlikely to happen.
Bottom line, the Ds will normally act like historical opposing parties and not support the R nominee. Thus it is up to the Rs to get their shit together (or negotiate with the Ds).
The Rs are the majority; they have the hammer. Failing to get the votes to secure McCarthy is primarily their fault. Trying to shift the blame and make the Ds the primary responsibility for McCarthy's downfall is irrational and ignores the dynamics taught by history.
Now reverse this. Say that the Ds were the majority and they could not keep their majority together and the Ds wound up losing the Speakership. Go ahead, Nerm, tell me that you would be arguing that this would be the fault of the Rs.
( In this case I would be properly faulting the Ds. )
Exactly 0 Democrats moved to even have the vote. And when they did have the vote, they voted the same way they did at the beginning of the term. The problem with Republican leadership in the House is not the doing of the minority party, but it speaks volumes that they and their supporters refuse to take responsibility for their own affairs.
If the situation were reversed, where the squad made a motion to remove Nancy Pelosi, it would be a safe bet that Republicans would take credit. In fact, Republicans removing Nancy Pelosi as Speaker would become a campaign boast for Republican candidates.
The idea that Republicans would shy away from taking credit for removing Pelosi seems highly unlikely. The idea that Republicans would allow Democrats any credit for removing Pelosi seems even more unlikely.
You use 'take credit' from the perspective of the Rs, but I asked about 'fault' from your perspective.
Very specifically, would you be faulting the Rs for removing Speaker Pelosi under this reversed scenario?
Yes!
Republicans would be responsible for removing Pelosi just as Democrats are responsible for removing McCarthy. A handful of Democrats could not have removed Pelosi just as a handful of Republicans did not remove McCarthy.
The distinction between credit and fault seems to depend upon the partisan politics of each party. Republicans take credit for what they are responsible for doing. Democrats find fault and blame scapegoats for what they are responsible for doing. (BTW, that's also why Biden must have a scapegoat for everything he is responsible for doing.)
What a bunch of hogwash. The democrats vote was purposeful to dislodge McCarthy the big shit talker and the republicans, who are in recent disarray-until they are not-did not use their MAJORITY to keep that loser in leadership. Now, MAGA is trying desperately to gaslight anybody STUPID AND WEAK-MINDED ENOUGH to believe the lies they tell themselves-democrats took the INIATIVE to bring their GOP majority into disarray. Nothing but a lie and other people would be ashamed to utter it: But not MAGA! (These people wear lies like a vest of protection from attack .)
Nerm, you are refusing to answer my question. Deflecting like crazy. What is the problem?
I asked for your position:
Would you be faulting the Rs for removing Speaker Pelosi under the reversed scenario I described?
Asked AND answered.
Correct.
So, if the Democrats' vote was purposeful to dislodge McCarthy, then why is it Republicans fault? Why aren't Democrats taking credit for their purposeful vote?
No, I would be giving Republicans credit for removing Speaker Pelosi. No matter how it's viewed, Republicans would be responsible for removing Pelosi. Whether Republicans are credited or faulted for removing Pelosi depends on partisan subjectivity.
Democrats would not be responsible for removing Speaker Pelosi. A handful of Democrats may create an opportunity that Republicans could exploit but that would make Republicans responsible for removing Pelosi.
A handful of Republicans created an opportunity that Democrats exploited to remove Speaker McCarthy. Democrats are responsible for removing McCarthy. It's up to Democrats to explain why they want to avoid taking credit for what they accomplished.
Okay, so you are being consistent. That is something.
Wrong. Nerm answered the question finally @5.3.11
You and Just Jim should pay attention to what is specifically asked to avoid being continually wrong. I asked for his position, not the position of Congress.
Because the Rs are the majority and their failure to keep their caucus organized fractured their lock on power.
It is an historical fact that members of the minority party almost always do NOT support the nominees of the other party. That is reality. The Rs should have known that reality and should have taken steps to ensure their dominance. Failure to do so simply opens up the opportunity for the absolutely normal dynamics to take place.
As an analogy, if you have holes in your roof you should fix them. Failure to do so could cause the natural dynamics of water damage due to rain. It is not the fault of the rain.
Another fault of the Rs is their following of Trump. Strong arguments can be made that the razor thin majority of the GOP in the House was due to the underperformance of the red wave due to Trump.
Ok, I can pretend he didn't write this earlier:
Yeah, that does NOT answer the question asked. Good grief man, pay attention.
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That's it, snip the discussion to ignore Democrats. What you are suggesting as the ideal is maximum partisanship. Democrats already had unified to achieve maximum partisanship. Republicans needed to go through several iterations before achieving maximum partisanship.
Republicans are no longer fractured so the Republican conference now has a lock on power.
Republicans fixed the holes Democrats poked in the roof and are now unified behind Mike Johnson. Mike Johnson received more votes than a unified Democrat conference can deliver for Hakeem Jefferies. Now Democrats are out; all the way out.
I have stated numerous times that the Ds are complicit. So cut the shit. My position is that the Rs have the majority and thus control. They thus must screw up to give the Ds any opportunities. They did screw up, repeatedly. This gave the Ds opportunities which they did not put to good use.
So both parties are complicit but the predominant fault goes with the party that has the hammer — the absolute control.
Complicit?
Yes. When the Rs screwed up and could not hold their caucus together, the Ds had an opportunity to step in and either retain McCarthy or help elect another Speaker. They did not do so and just watched the R's dysfunction while the nation sat without a Speaker and unable for the House to conduct business.
This would have been an extraordinary act of statesmanship, but it did not happen (as one would expect from history).
Like I said, the Rs have the predominant fault, but it is not as though the Ds did not gain an opportunity to step in and be the adults in the room.
Whatever.
Well said, Tessylo, well said.
Democrats turned on McCarthy because he was/is a big-Shit talker who indulged himself of democratic votes when it suited him and then would turn on them in the 'next,' literally next, FOX News cycle. You need to keep up.
In your comments you make no mention of what McCarthy has done that is INCONSISTENT with his acceptance of democratic votes when it makes him/GOP look good. But then he turns on the democrats when the cameras are "On" to discredit/discount/blast the entirety of the Democratic Party.
So yes, the congressional democrats returned to McCarthy a let down. And even in that - that big-shit talker had the audacity to spin and lie that his own membership did not want him gone from the speakership in historic fashion and let him down by co-opting democrats to buoy up what they lacked. This couldn't have happened without the republicans/conservatives - you know it and so does "big shit talker" McCarthy.
Democrats did not owe McCarthy any political support or anything else.
Emphatically. Go on with your 'bad' self!
What was their issue with Rep Tom Emmer?
Nerm knows this. This is like the dumbest conservative talking point ever:
If Democrats were ruthless they would force out Johnson too! But they can't because. . .well, no Republican conservatives will support the removal. Thus, it can't be accomplished. Not so hard to see who is in charge of such proceedings.
The Democrats aided MAGA extremists in removing McCarthy because he DISCOUNTED the whole of their 'affection' towards him. That is, McCarthy spent through the goodwill the congressional democrats could have felt for him had he not added to his lack of respect for democrats by continuing to bash them publicly while COURTING them privately.
TiG is right all the same about the 'opening' right under McCarthy's feet which the MAGA minority coupled with the democratic majority used to SUCK McCarthy down the Speaker 'drain' as a finale to his leadership role in congress!
It would not have happened at any rate, manner, or fashion without the MAGA minority initiating the process and following through until the end.
Finally this. Of course, true to their lying ways, MAGA then turned on the democrats and began a narrative about democrats leading the RUPTURE and REMOVAL of their Speaker. . . because. . . POLITICS is and can be vicious at times. Times like this.
Why are you asking me what the Republicans issue with Emmer? Ask conservatives. That said, my understanding is Emmer did not request or solicit democratic house members either vote for or against himself.
I don’t need to, it obvious that he was to moderate for few radicals that don’t want to govern.
Soliciting Dem would have doomed him for sure, but the Dems had an opportunity for a moderate, honest Speaker but they chose Party over Country,
What the Democrats did not choose was a Republican speaker for Republican conservatives. And to that end, republicans as they selected McCarthy (without democratic party votes they ELECTED Johnson without democratic party votes.
Why is this so hard for conservatives to explain and accept. It really is easy if MAGA is being honest. Why is MAGA so dishonest? I mean really! As an example: One can stare at a clear sky, and if one does so long enough, one can find all kinds of problems with a clear sky! Like it's too blue; it's too bright; it's too empty; it's too clear. And so forth and so on. The solution to that is just stare at and comment on the CLEAR DAY as a thing of itself.
Republicans 'tanked' their Speaker and by doing so put him solidly in the history books as a failed republican Speaker.
I wouldn’t expect them to, that also did not choose a Repub speaker for Repub moderates.
You lost me on the sky analogy. Did that come to you out of the blue?
On that we agree.
We know the republicans are ALWAYS the adult in the room, right?
It gets tiresome how Democrats are always blamed someway, somehow for the republiCONS and the CONServatives endless fuckups and hate AND THEIR REFUSAL TO WORK WITH DEMOCRATS/LIBERALS/PROGRESSIVES.
Their problem with Emmer was that the former 'president' scumbag said he was a rino. FUCK the former 'president'.
Exacly, I was surprised that the Dem caucus listened to him.
Are you implying that I made this point?
Are you suggesting that I am predominantly blaming the Ds? If so, you have missed the fact that I blame the Rs for screwing up the Speakership. They have the predominant fault here. The Ds are complicit because they were given the opportunity to work with the Rs to either retain McCarthy or elect a new (better) Speaker and they chose to not do so. (They could have had significant influence on who was elected Speaker; instead we have Johnson.)
When you read a criticism of the Ds as part of a much larger criticism of the Rs and focus EXCLUSIVELY on the criticism of the Ds, that is just as bad as when Rs see only what they want to see in what people write. Don't do that.
No, I'm not implying anything.
No, I'm not suggesting anything.
Don't tell me what to do.
Johnson's very first act was to call for a House resolution condemning Hamas (HR 771) which reaffirms America's support for Israel. The resolution received bipartisan support, but not the unanimous support of the House. The resolution passed by a vote of 412-10 with 6 members voting "present."
The 10 members voting against the resolution:
Rep Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, D-NY.
Rep Ilhan Omar, D-Minn.
Rep Rashida Tlaib, D-Mich.
Rep Jamaal Bowman, D-N.Y.
Rep Summer Lee, D-Pa.
Rep Cori Bush, D-Mo.
Rep André Carson, D-Ind.
Rep Al Green, D-Texas.
Rep Delia Ramirez, D-Ill.
Voting "present":
Rep Greg Casar, D-Texas
Rep Ayanna Pressley, D-Mass.
Rep Joaquin Castro, D-Texas
Rep Nydia Velázquez, D-N.Y.
Rep Jesús "Chuy" Garcia, D-Ill.
Rep Pramila Jayapal, D-Wash.
Democrat scum terrorist supporters.
Voting present, they don't even have the balls to vote their convictions.
They would have been better off not showing up for the vote at all. They could have said they tried to get there but they couldn't figure out how to open a door near a fire alarm.
You mean as opposed to MGT, who suddenly likes Jews who don't have space lasers.
or Scalise had previously referred to himself as “David Duke without the baggage”
or Arizona Republican Congressman Paul Gosar on Sunday promoted an antisemitic website that denies the Holocaust, praises Adolf Hitler as “a man of valor” and features a large number of admittedly false articles.
Do you actually think that there are not bigots on both sides of the political fence?
You all support Johnson who helped the former 'president' and his incited/planned/failed coup/insurrection on 1/6
You’re making up shit, I didn’t support him.
So 20% of the NY delegation to the house of representatives are admitted antisemitic assholes.