Blackface hoax
Link to Quote: Carron Phillips: Deadspin reporter who wrongly claimed young Kansas City Chiefs fan was wearing 'blackface' receives backlash (msn.com)
It has happened again. Another race baiting hoax. This time it was aimed at a young boy at a football game. The slanderous accusation was that he was wearing "black face" and is being brought up as a "racist." One quick look at the picture of the boy and one can clearly see that he is simply wearing the team colors. The accuser is in fact a white hating racist who poses to be some kind of online journalist by the name of Carron Phillips.
Phillips wrote: In his Monday, November 27, article Phillips wrote that "a Kansas City Chiefs fan found a way to hate Black people and the Native Americans at the same time."
Carron Phillips: Deadspin reporter who wrongly claimed young Kansas City Chiefs fan was wearing 'blackface' receives backlash (msn.com)
Carron Phillips
If there ever had been a case for a defamation lawsuit, this is it. That boy's family needs to file one. That boy's life has already been ruined and may he face death threats. As for the Kansas City Chiefs they need to do something for the boy and his family. I suggest lifetime season passes. The team should also stand firmly against the false slur as should the NFL. As for Mr Phillips, he should be shunned by every news/sports publishing company in the country.
In other news Hunter Biden's high-priced lawyer is trying to attach conditions to a subpoena. As I pointed out only a few weeks ago, two Trump associates defied a House Subpoena and they were prosecuted by Biden's DOJ. Does anyone really think that the same DOJ will do the same to Hunter Biden? The double standard of justice is why we need to ignore all the Trump trials and whatever comes out of them.
Hamas has released a few more hostages amid sporadic violence.
Biden weighs weather to designate the Houthis as a terrorist organization, which President Trump had already done, but Biden had removed the designation. Again we are back to Biden admitting that Trump was right and sleepy Joe is just an instrument of the left.
Last but not least are concerns over a severe respiratory illness in China that seems to attack young children. Yesterday we heard from at least one lefty who described it as a "conspiracy theory."
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Hunter's lawyer is placing a condition on a subpoena. Trump aide Peter Navarro was prosecuted by Biden's justice department for defying a House Subpoena.
alternative headline -
defective spawn of white trash suffers lifelong trauma over racist prank perpetrated by maga parents
How many republicans snubbed their subpoena's? Dozens. I see no reason why Hunter Biden should show up for his.
Exactly, where ever Hunter is living these days, it’s got to be better than sitting in a House committee.
The two connected to Trump were prosecuted by this very DOJ
How many have done time in prison? None.
(THE CONVERSATION) On Jan. 25, 2024, Peter Navarro is scheduled to be sentenced – perhaps to prison – after his swift conviction by a jury on contempt of Congress charges. He has joined Steve Bannon as the first defendants in decades to be held criminally liable by the U.S. Department of Justice for refusing to provide information in response to congressional subpoenas.
The Supreme Court has long supported Congress’ authority to obtain information needed to carry out its constitutional duties. But weak enforcement tools have made getting that information difficult, especially from the executive branch.
Bannon was tried in July 2022; the jury took only three hours to return a guilty verdict . Navarro went to trial on Sept. 7, 2023; the jury found him guilty the same day . Bannon was sentenced to four months imprisonment and fined $6,500; Navarro awaits sentencing. Both men have said they will appeal their convictions.
Jury convictions of Bannon and Navarro for refusing congressional subpoena may energize lawmakers' ability to hold powerful people accountable (houstonchronicle.com)
Susan McDougal was not sentenced for defying a House Committee subpoena:
Susan had 4 felony convictions and refused to testify in a Special Council investigation.
Susan Carol Henley McDougal became famous in the 1990s for refusing to testify before Kenneth Starr and the Office of Independent Counsel (OIC) grand jury held in Little Rock (Pulaski County) during the Whitewater scandal investigation 1 . She was convicted of her role in Whitewater on May 28, 1996, and was sentenced to spend time in prison for four counts of fraud and conspiracy relating to the Whitewater scandal 2 . She was imprisoned for almost two years, before ultimately being found not guilty and released
McDougal, Susan Carol Henley - Encyclopedia of Arkansas
I heard about the NFL thing last night. How stupid does one have to be to think that this kids outfit is racist? Seriously, Anybody with half a brain can put together what he was trying to do. But then again racists like Phillips don't have that 1/2 brain to work with.
Either a stupid indoctrinated college grad or a black man full of hate. In this case it was the latter.
This is a combination of both.
This was the picture put out with the story. And then when the picture showing both sides of his face came out Carron doubled down on stupid. Just another instance of seeing racism where there is none. I have to wonder how many on the left ran with this and never changed their thinking once the truth came out.
Looking at the comments here many are doubling down on stupid just like Carron did. What's funny is these are the same people who routinely lable others as racist.
On the bright side we have a happy Christmas story from Utah:
"GRANTSVILLE — A family is thanking the good Samaritans who rescued them in the mountains after the family became stranded while looking for a Christmas tree. The family had gone up a 4x4 road into the Stansbury Mountains west of Grantsville.
Complete strangers who heard about the family's desperate situation worked to track them down in the hills and help them out.
On Sunday morning, Ricky Poarch and his son's family took off for a fun family excursion with Bureau of Land Management permits in hand to find and cut down two Christmas trees — one for Poarch and his wife, and the other for his son and grandkids.
Poarch enjoyed the experience of getting out in the snowy woods.
"I think it was great to get out with my son, walking around like we did, and my daughter-in-law and my grandkids," he said."
Utah family stranded while cutting Christmas tree rescued by strangers | KSL.com
There are a few morals to the story:
1) Christianity is alive and well
2) It might be best to get your Christmas tree at a local dealer.
Thought it was going to be the Griswolds
God love them and Jeremiah Chechik
I don't know....Kroger has them for sale long before Christmas.
The cheapest is $39.95 for the small ones, the largest one's are $89.95!
Fresher is better.
But if you wait, you can get stuck with leftovers.
Decisions!
I really dont care much at all about this trivial story, but I would point out that you would have a hard time finding anyone who would identify black as one of the Kansas City Chief's team colors.
Allow me:
How dare you back a slander?
Oh, that's right, I forgot.
Vic, dont make me go off on you. The article that you wrote said black is one of the teams colors. According to Bing GPT it is not. The OFFICIAL team colors are red , gold, and white.
You can bs your way through it as much as you want, the colors are red gold and white.
Feel free. This isn't HD and I'm not Bruce.
The article that you wrote said black is one of the teams colors.
What is the kid wearing? The Chiefs never wear a black jersey under the uniform? Is that the hill you want to die on? Your defense of this vicious attack of a boy who doesn't even appear to be 9 years old?
The OFFICIAL team colors are red , gold, and white.
John, that boy was slandered by another black racist. Admit it.
You can bs your way through it as much as you want, the colors are red gold and white.
I'm not bull shitting anything. Philips defamed that young boy, the same way the leftist media defamed Nicholas Sandmann. He won his defamation suits. This kids family needs to do the same.
Black is not one of the team colors. It appears on the uniform in one way, as a border for the arm patch logo on one of the uniform styles they use.
I would bet dollars to donuts this face makeup was his mom's idea.
Blackface is not acceptable in 2023. Get over it.
That said, the columnist took it much too far.
He is wearing a black jersey beneath a red Football jersey.
Blackface is not acceptable in 2023. Get over it.
Phillips is a white hating racist who slandered a young boy. We simply can't allow that.
Are you suggesting the boy's parents are racist"
And who are you to tell us what face paint or head dress is appropriate these days?
Go ahead and wear blackface in public Greg. You are free to do so. You will get criticized and ridiculed for it, but it is your choice.
Do you even know why blackface is considered offensive? Somehow I doubt it.
Go ahead and keep calling it "blackface." You will get criticized and ridiculed for it, but it is your choice.
Do you even know why slandering racists get sued? Ask any number of media outlets:
"Sandmann had sued Gannett for $195 million. In total, he was seeking $1.25 billion through the multiple lawsuits. In 2020, CNN and The Washington Post reached settlements with Sandmann. And in 2021, NBC settled. The details of those settlements were not disclosed."
Nick Sandmann loses appeal in defamation suits against news outlets (cincinnati.com)
Right now it we see only 2 people are "outraged" at this kid. You and the racist writer.
I'm not outraged about it at all.
Maybe you cant think about things without getting outraged, but many of the rest of us can.
Your comments say otherwise.
yawn
I think the sports column about this was , at best, ill advised, the writer should have done more homework to get a truer picture of what this was about.
Nonetheless, the parents should not have let the kid go out in public in blackface. It cannot be done in the 21st century without drawing criticism. You dont like that? Go back to a previous century. The Native headdress is also inappropriate for the same reasons.
The boy who appears to be 10 or 11, doesnt know any better but his parents should.
At every NFL game we see people painted and dressed up for the home team.
Nonetheless, the parents should not have let the kid go out in public in blackface.
He wasn't in fucking "blackface." Black and red.
The boy who appears to be 10 or 11, doesnt know any better but his parents should.
Phillips needs to be sued.
These people would shit their pants at a Las Vegas Raiders game. Black and silver.
If you paint half your face black and the other half silver, both Carron Phillips and JR will call it "blackface,"
Could it be that Carron is a Karen?
Maybe the writer should sue you.
Black and silver are the Raiders team colors.
He may have to, but don't forget I have the Sullivan law on my side.
That is the law that lets you call public figures like Donald Trump every dirty name in the book.
What makes you think that this kid wearing a full headdress of Native Americans which are not costumes and face paint is appropriate? It isn't at all, but then again I'm not at all surprised that you do think it is.
Are you now speaking for all Native Americans?
Have Native Americans asked for changes from the Kansas City Chiefs?
Fuck no. They were just "offended" by redskins. Chiefs are strong Indians.
Was it them or white progressives?
What makes you think that is authentic and if so, how did he/they get their hands on it? A gift shop? If that's the case, perhaps a little introspection is due in the NA nations.
Yes!
Why do you think something so stupid?
Yes, many times.
I'm not the one thinking stupid.
Yes, many times.
May we have your google results?
A racial slur is offensive, it's obvious that your limited ability to see that is at the forefront.
The world Chiefs isn't in the discussion.
Kavika may explain to you why the Indian head dress worn by non Indians is offensive
No, you are not thinking stupid. You're not thinking at all.
Of course. are you too limited in your view to understand the problem with this?
Kansas City Chiefs to ban fans from wearing headdresses and Native American-themed face paint
I wonder if he knows how offensive it is to write stories about slaughtering white settlers?
How do you know this kid isn't an Indian at least partially? You don't. And I reiterate, how is this authentic and how would a "paleface" get his hands on one if it is?
It isn't authentic and they are quite easy to buy in gift shops or online. Most anyone with IQ above room temp knows that.
At this point introspection is due by the chimooks that think they know something.
Maybe you should have asked if you could slip that one in. She should be arriving soon.
Kansas City Chiefs To Ban Fans From Wearing Headdresses And Native American-Themed Face Paint
Thanks for googling that. So, I guess the question is why did the Chiefs allow anyone into the stadium with the Indian headdress?
Well this is 2023 and the article is 2020 so I guess that didn't work out too well permanently. It is obvious by the last paragraph they must have come to their senses.
Well, that ends that debate!
I guess you'll have to answer your own question after you wipe the mud off your face.
Mud would be better than what you're wearing right now.
But you said it wasn't a costume alluding to something more. So which is it?
What is it that I wearing now that you look the fool?
Ignorance seems to be your only defense. I suggest you google it or better yet if you don't think it's insulting walk up to an Indian in a headdress and tell him or her it's not offensive....
Let me know how that turns out for you...LMAO
There are plenty of Indians in NC, The Eastern Band of Cherokee and the Lumbee to name a couple.
We've proved that haven't we? Lol
I suggest you google it
I had you do it.
here are plenty of Indians in NC, The Eastern Band of Cherokee and the Lumbee to name a couple.
We have Indians in the northeast as well. They control Casinos and have the respect of the community. I doubt they would be as offended by half the things the radical left is offended by. That may be the problem here.
I'll let you know as soon as I make sense of the grammar.
Then you should try your bullshit on them. In fact I can give you tribes and name to confront if you have the balls.
Vic, that is simply not true. Kavika's stories are about righting a wrong .I have read all his stories. Don't make this topic about him.
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Come on Guys. Headdresses are not costumes. From the the Cheifs own website:
The headdress is a symbol of leadership , and each feather is earned and shows a position of leadership. Not everyone in American Indian cultures has the right to wear headdresses
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5.1.26 was responded to by member addressed so flag on it was dismissed by Charger
Perrie, he has tossed numerous insults my way. I haven't flagged him, but I've given him what he deserved.
If you don't want it about him, he needs to stop making it about me.
You and I can discuss his "stories" at another time. I'll have plenty to say on that.
Come on Perrie, Kavika googled & presented a deal the Chiefs had with Indian leaders. The team let people in wearing a headdress. Take it up with the team not some 8 year old.
I don't think it works that way. It only applies if I was the one who flagged it.
Perrie is here. Maybe she'll weigh in.
Vic,
The 8 year old didn't get like that without some adult helping him. So, I'll take it up with his parents or guardians instead.
Say it here, Vic. No one is stopping you, if you're going to criticize then have the balls to spell it out here.
Do you really believe that was "blackface?"
You see, that was the point of the article. The usual suspects have been all around it.
That would be off topic and making you the topic. Effectively, an no-no. Don't encourage that.
No, it was black and red face... all of which I thought had stopped.
You've got that much right.
all of which I thought had stopped.
Are you implying there was "racism" in that team outfit?
What do you call this?
They do not. I already posted their stance on it.
They let him in!
The above comment is meta, please stop. I have taken care of what I need to.
Without a headdress..., just silly.
Will do.
Can you answer my question in post 5.1.43
Do you think some minimum-paid guy at the ticket booth knows to stop him from coming in? PLEEZE.
It was all the team's fans do. They dress up in the logos of the teams.
None of it is racism.
If it is their stance, they must enforce it.
Are you really going to go along with those who are calling that kid racist?
No one here called the kid a racist and in fact, neither did the article. From the article you posted:
Perrie, he has doubled down:
In his Monday, November 27, article Phillips wrote that "a Kansas City Chiefs fan found a way to hate Black people and the Native Americans at the same time."
Carron Phillips: Deadspin reporter who wrongly claimed young Kansas City Chiefs fan was wearing 'blackface' receives backlash (msn.com)
Right there he has called that kid a racist
gee, you'd think that would endear him to the maga crowd...
What a difference 11:AM makes!
An Indian group wants the Washington redskin name back
Tell them that many Kansas City fans have now vowed to paint themselves like that kid for next weeks game!
Great to hear
The "writer" needs to pull his racist head out of his ass. There was / is no blackface. One would have to be pretty fucking stupid to even remotely think there is.
The picture in Newsweek shows half of his face in black and half in red. Maybe he self-identifies as biracial.
Biracial and transgender are ok. As a matter of fact some here celebrate it.
You're right let's give him the benefit of the doubt.
I think this is the picture that the writer used...........conveniently.
That was acknowledged on this seed before you showed up.
That is not a celebration of anyone's culture. That is just disrespectful.
It is neither. Team fans dress for the home team. PERIOD.
And the ‘tomahawk chop’ needs to go away once and for all.
Why? It is symbolic of getting aggressive?
No way!
So guys, I want you to know, that the tribe I belong, which has a huge population of biracial tribe members. If you would like so I personally don't find that comment amusing, but rather ignorant.
Great Vic. Then let them not wear a headdress. It's offensive. If they want to paint themselves up, I'm fine with it.
I think you stepped in it. Only one sort of person has a problem with "bi-racial". Shall I tell you what kind of person that is ?
Why is it ignorant to say biracial is ok?
I'm glad you agree that the fans can dress up for their team.
It's offensive.
The Kansas City Chiefs went along with those who said they were offended, except they didn't keep their word that it would be forbidden. You need to take it up with them.
You can say that as much as you like, but the team itself has said not to use the headdress.
“Why?”
It is the perfect and sadly just another example of appropriation.
No I think you dragged other into it. I'll have to keep one of them clean
Only one sort of person has a problem with "bi-racial".
I was the one who said it was ok.
Shall I tell you what kind of person that is ?
No, you just keep us informed on those who hate Israel.
Then why have they allowed it?
I'm sorry, did the kid or his parents get sued? NO. Someone wrote about it, and that is allowed. Maybe the Kansas City Chiefs will be more careful in the future.
Now I have to keep two of you out of trouble.
The same could be said about men dressing as women. But, that's celebrated. Why the difference?
The use of names and icons like Chiefs, Apache, Kiowa, Panthers, Bears, Tigers, Redskins are selected to show a "warrior spirit" a symbol of strength. It wasn't until recently that it became "disrespectful" or "offensive".
BULLSHIT, the first lawsuit about that name was filed in 1992.
They are going to be doing the suing. Their boy was defamed as a Racist.
Someone wrote about it, and that is allowed.
Defamation is not allowed.
Maybe the Kansas City Chiefs will be more careful in the future.
We can agree on that much. If that was your only argument, I'd be voting you up, but please don't back those who are calling that kid racist.
Come on Vic. I already went over that.
And what was the result? Obviously it didn't go well for the easily offended.
LOL. Are you now trying to claim that wasnt dismissive snark on your part ?
Jeremy,
The teams that are named after tribes are fine. Redskins is not. It is disgusting.
No one here called the kid a racist. The parents are the ones responsible, and maybe they are just clueless. IDK what goes on in their house. But now they got schooled.
You did, but I happen to think that security is able to turn someone away wearing an Indian headdress.
I have to agree with John on that.
I don't think this is the end of the story Perrie. I think our friend Carron Phillips is about to lose his privilege.
It is a factual statement.
You are siding with John over me?
It's telling when you as a non Indian thing you know and understand the significance of the Headdress and the name better than an Indian. It points out that you don't know what you're talking about.
BTW, the name is no longer used.
Opinions will vary. But did you run that opinion through the NA's that were on the committee to name the Redskins?
The game wasn't in KC so I wonder if that is why it wasn't poo pooed
There it is!
You get the gold star today. The very thing that both Perrie and I missed.
“You are siding with John over me?”
You greatly exaggerate your relevance…
It's telling that you feel the need to tell me what I should and shouldn't find offensive. Sorry, I have the ability to think for myself. I also noticed you haven't answered my question.
You don't say!!!!
And a whole stadium full of people, apparently didn't say anyting.
There was no committee to name the team, it was done by the racist owner, George Preston Marshall in 1937.
Mom claims that the boys grandfather, Raoul Armenta is a Native American. He is the vice-chairman of the Santa Ynez Band of Chumash Indians.
Racist owner? The fact that he somehow wanted to include some reference to the strength of the natives says something completely different to me. But you be you and thanks for your opinion.
So i was correct in saying that the kid indeed has some NA blood. Thank you for the info
If you have the ability to think for yourself then you should start. Thinking that you know what is offensive to another race of people isn't thinking at all, it's at best bizarre.
Is that question what happened in the lawsuits in 1992? They lost since that is obvious to anyone with the name didn't change until many years later when public pressure and Native pressure along with the NFL forced the change.
I read the comment and it was not meant in a good way. It is not a matter of taking sides, but rather reading.
I have known Perrie for 12 years. She doesnt side with anyone other than if they align with her own opinions.
You be you. Yes, exactly it would help you a lot if you actually investigated what I stated.
You being you stuck both feet in your mouth again.
Cheers
Hardly. African Americans in 1962 is a far cry from Redskins in 1937.
Cheers
redskin
noun
Also a potato. What's your point? Maybe they just should have adopted a potato on their helmets and jerseys instead of changing the name
But they put a "redskin" on the helmet and logo, not a potato, so you have no point.
Why cant people just accept the fact that some terms, and images like blackface, are racially offensive and just move on into the future where everyone can feel respected? This clinging to racial stereotypes indefinitely because someone has a "right" to do so isnt helping anything.
Nice try, but no it isn't at all. Actually do some research [deleted]
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Obviously I was talking about when all the hubbub started.
Yeah, you may want to look into that one a little closer.
It's not like it will stop or even slow the rants that the kid is somehow racist for supporting his favorite NFL team.
See unlike you, I'm not telling you what YOU should think is offensive. I honestly don't care what you find offensive and not going to capitulae to your way of thinking all the time.
I googled for more info on the Chumash Indians because I was curious what was happening to their culture in today's world.
The Chumash Indians have a matriarchal culture.
I found some interesting information about their history and their present.
If the boy is Chumash, then the reporter should have done some research and contacted Chumash representatives for their stance about making the boy an image for racial hatred in the US.
This could have been an opportunity for positive education on today's Chumash culture instead of bashing one of their children.
History — Santa Ynez Band of Chumash Indians
and
But it's so much easier (and more fun I guess) to remain on the partisan sidelines and rip apart someone than actually do some homework and be a better person. sigh.
Thanks mocowgirl, completely agree.
In addition to being a racist, I’m pretty sure the kid is a fascist as well.
Poor? Between that smug look and attending an NFL game, I sure he is a well to do, entitled punk.
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Donald Trump calls for Joe Biden to take a cognitive test before the 2024 Presidential Election.
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Trump is right again!
I agree, and maybe Trump should take one, too.
He did and passed with flying colors! He scored 30 of 30 on a MOCA
trump needs to take an 8th grade civics class first...
The test is for dementia.
Trump took the test 5 years ago. Five more years of Twinkies and McDonalds, and pathological lying by him, have done in his mind.
That is a routine test that your neurologist gives you. It is hardly a full cognitive test, and I know stroke victims who have passed it.
Still more than we've seen Biden complete.
Generally, most people don't take that test. Reagan didn't either.
WOW! So did I and that was after a cerebral operation to relieve an subdural brain bleed and a 2 week induced coma. Pic's on my home page.
Here's the test:
When did he do that?
Person
Woman
Man
Camera
TV
That's the test that he aced that folks are bragging about regarding the moron former 'president'
And 5 years ago like John said.
Fuck the former 'president'
I say the former 'president' needs to take one as well.
Stupid shit that both sides frolic in ... when's the next Purge?
As our northern neighbors would know:
"As the blackface scandal erupted during the federal election, Liberal Leader Justin Trudeau declared his life of “privilege” left him with a “blindspot” to certain racist acts. On at least three separate occasions, Trudeau dressed up in blackface. This questionable judgment has stayed with the gaffe-prone Trudeau since he became prime minister in 2015. His time in office is riddled with embarrassing moments."
GAFFE-PRONE TRUDEAU: A look back at his most embarrassing moments | Toronto Sun
Yes, he dressed up as Aladdin for a costume party, the shrill cries were as dumb then as they are now. Americans and Canadians often share the same decimal point in their IQs.
So that was the blind spot he developed from his life of privilege?
I don't know if our readers will buy it.
So stop selling it. The axiom is not "do unto others as they do unto you".
You think I'm selling something other than truth to our readers?
Let's ask them. Was this article truthful and fair?
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We can't get enough of you Vic!
I'm spell bound!
Thanks to the Gods the lass obviously does not eat your breakfast offerings.
Are you kidding! Years ago, the girls in my daughter's college dorm used to eat 1 meal a day.
I suppose I'll get in trouble if I say it's different for women.
I doubt that, years ago neither your daughter nor her friends looked like a photoshopped page-3 gal sipping on a cuppa.
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I don't buy what YOU'RE SELLING.
No.
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your attention please:
Upon further review, this game was NOT played in Kansas City but rather was a home game for the Raiders. So, I stand corrected on the Chiefs backing off of their no headdress policy. I was "defending the indefensible" as is the latest go to around these parts.
Thank you for your attention.
Thank you for that important piece of information. I didn't think that they did.
There you go. Well, Perrie, I think we can both put this one behind us.
Important in this case is impotent.
Naw, that's an Ernie Kovacs kind of joke.
Our readers demand better.
I'm glad.
Our reader/s reside/s at Mar-A-Lago.
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I want to thank everyone who contributed, especially the one who took on the almost impossible task of defending Carron Phillips.
I'm not sure anyone defended Carron Phillips. Maybe you'd like to quote the post defending him.
Post # 4
I did not defend Carron Phillips.
I never said you did.
BTW it turns out that kid is Native American.
The child was recently attacked online for photos that showed him wearing a Native American headdress, with one outlet stating the NFL "needs to speak out" against the boy. However, the boy's mother, Shannon Armenta, has since revealed her son is Native American.
The boy's grandfather is Raul Armenta , who is a board member of the Chumash Tribe located in Santa Ynez in California , according to the Facebook group Real Kansas City Chiefs Fans.
Young Kansas City Chiefs fan attacked over racism claims is actually Native American (msn.com)
I have a feeling none will answer.
We got to meet him last night:
I will.
I cried watching this video.
The folks that are hating on this kid need to find ways to deal with and heal their own trauma that had nothing to do with this kid. What they don't see is that now they are the ones causing the damage.
There is racism - always has been and always will be.
Add in all of the rest of the isms and phobias and inbred biases that every society on the planet has to deal with and it is clear why the US has a massive budget to kill people fighting endless wars because our government and media is adept at fueling endless hatred of the "other". This would not work if people were capable of identifying and healing their own traumas instead of wallowing in it and passing it on.
Been there and done that myself. Working on being more understanding of others' intent.
Regardless of what laws are enacted, the greatest gift a person can ever give themselves is to identify and heal their own trauma so they can love and trust themselves enough to be kind to others so we can discuss reasonable societal boundaries in 2023. Also, it would be helpful to understand the people born since the 1970s have grown up in a very different society from those of us born in prior decades. I doubt many of them can even understand the world we lived in any more than we could understand the world of the 1800s. I don't want to live in the 1800s and the younger generations should not have to continue to pay for the society that I was raised in.
Peace out .... or not.
Very well said.
Getting outraged over how a kid dresses up to support his football team is about as ridiculous as it gets.
So can I go as a pregnant nun to a party? How about my Hubby goes as a child-abusing priest? Do you really want things to go like that?
Right from pedophile central, the RCC.
that would be hilarious, and probably more accurate than comedic.
First, and how people pretend to not understand this I don't know, but intent matters. Was this kid being intentionally offensive?
Second, People do that every single year and no one cares, let alone try and make a national story about it.
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The kid no... but the parents... no one can speak for them.
That was not my question. I asked if it was offensive. And yes Catholics care. Heck, they don't like sexy nuns. Here read this:
And believe me, I would never do that, because as a person who is Indian and Jewish, I get how biting these things can be.
The kid wore the costume. That's the end of the story.
no one can speak for them
Exactly.
at was not my question. I asked if it was offensive. A
No you didn't. And no, there's not widespread outrage when people dress up as nuns for Halloween. And when they do, it's not a national news story. How could it be? It happens at pretty much every party in every town accross the country every year. And that doesn't even bring into account that is about a kid, not an adult.
Can people claim offense at just about anything? Sure. But the circumstances matter. This is a kid trying to support his football team at football game. It's not an adult trying to mock someone's religion or ethnicity on a random tuesday. Treating them as if they are the same is a false equivalency.
Sean,
I gave you proof that Catholics are upset, yet you ignore it.
And here is a story in the national news:
Apparently, there are Catholics who are outraged.
Never did any whining that is reserved for cheeseheads. I wasn't mocking a religion I was pointing out a fact, which you studiously try to avoid.
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So you can't the difference between those two situations?
To the best of my knowledge NOBODY talked to the parents until the last day or so. But that didn't stop everybody just jumped on the idiotic band wagon that "they are racist". No common sense applied, no critical thinking applied just straight to "racist".
That is why I posted this story. I knew it would be a big loser for them.
And get this, the boys ancestral tribe, Chumash, their colors are ..... wait for it...... Black, Red, and White.
Like talking to the parents, we didn't know any of that until recently. And, again, it didn't stop people from making the claim the kid is "racist". They saw something THEY didn't like and went on an uninformed rant.
Now that his heritage come out, it is rather funny to watch some backpedal and others double down on stupid.
I don't find it funny that people in our society are so damaged that they would attack a child in this way in an attempt to make themselves feel better and/or score political points.
I feel nothing but sympathy for this 9 year old and his family who were happy football fans until a few days ago. Now they are the targets of racists, who say they can't be racists because of the xyz category they put themselves in that they claim is above racism because they are the victims and never the perpetrators of spreading hatred of the "other". Bias is bias.
"I discriminate against somebody because of xyz because they are racist and did it to be. But I'm not racist." I never really understood that train of thought. I've always wondered how they don't see the probloem with that.
The US military has used Native American tribes, places, etc. as the names for military equipment. From Army aircraft to Navy ships to cruise missiles. It's ironic that the governmental agency most responsible for committing horrible atrocities against these people have named their war machines after them. Instead of honoring the First People, it perpetuates the stereotype of a warlike culture. We renamed militarily posts, it's past time to to do the right thing and rename this war equipment.
THAT my friend is great rebuttal to all this bullshit. Thank you.
With all your years in the military, I would have thought that you would know why this is done, and with the blessing of the tribes involved.
The Indian community and the Military relationship today is much different than it was decades ago.
Sorry, I assumed that my sarcasm would be evident.
Nice backtrack but it seems that Jim didn't buy it either.
I think Jim's response indicates that he got the sarcasm.
LOL, sure
we can get all that done, right after we erase the names of confederate traitors off everything in the US.
Agree, we should wipe out everything the democrat party stands for.
Not to good at multi-tasking?
not too good at spelling?
No, I'm a victim of a public school education.
Where should we put the plaques of your ancestors?
stuff'em, they're dead, they won't care...
The plaques or your ancestors?
In the dustbins of history.
When we go from honoring those that represent oppression and persecution in a symbolic gesture, we glorify a past full of passion but devoid of understanding the pain those passions inflicted.
I don’t view history as binary. Those that do see the founding of America as ether or;
Some take a nuanced view, that we were founded on, for the time, principles that laid a cornerstone of liberty, struggled and still do , to be consistent with those principles.
“I don’t view history as binary. Those that do see the founding of America as ether or;…”
It is and has always been binary.
We all were taught that ‘manifest destiny’ was our birthright, and that the ‘natives’ were an impediment in direct contradiction to your 2nd premise.
Fast forward to these daze and tell me how that mindset has evolved in any way. To the victors go the spoils? Look where we find ourselves.
So are we an evil empire to you?
I was never taught that. I was taught what manifest destiny was but not that it is a real birthright. Maybe you have a civil case against your public school district. Was it a deeply red district?
My mindset recognizes both the horrific injustices and the cultural thinking behind them. Yes, historically, across the world and the centuries, the victor receives the spoils. Where do you find yourself relative to others around the world?
“Where do you find yourself relative to others around the world?”
I would never suppose to speak for anyone but myself, in full acknowledgment of the ease in which I reside.
So speaking solely for myself let me offer this if you will..:we can learn from our past only if we are willing to learn from it and make it better for all of us.
For us, meaning every single one of us.
Completely agree, and learning from the past includes the cultural nuances of the time and location.
So the half assed attempts will continue.
I just don’t understand why this shit offends people. Fans dress up in goofy costumes and makeup to support their team, not to make fun of any group of people. Give fans a little credit. They’re not trying to be mean to anyone.
If this kind of thing offends you, either don’t watch, or get over yourself. Stop looking for things to be angry about. Get a real problem. No one is hurting you with this. Native Americans and African Americans have been disrespected or mocked in various settings, but this is not one of them.
Dressing up for a sports event is no different than dressing up for Halloween. It’s not serious. It’s fun. My heritage is spoofed all over the sporting world - Vikings, cowboys, Yankees, fighting Irish, buccaneers, patriots, whatever. You don’t see me clutching my pearls over it.
In theory you have a good point. In the "real" world your point is much less persuasive.
None of them faced racial prejudice in America based on the color of their skin. We cant change history in the name of "fun".
They have, and they do. But even if they hadn’t, that doesn’t make what sports fans are doing disrespectful. You have to consider context. What are they trying to achieve? Black face was employed to purposely mock African Americans. Painting your face for a football game has nothing in common with that.
Exactly, I’m thinking of that Seinfeld episode where Elaine’s boyfriend, wears red face paint to a Devil’s hockey game. Most viewers might have sign that as a big NJ fan, but he was really mocking Native Americans.
I always amazed at what triggers so many and how fast it occurs. It seems like quick reactions far outweigh thoughtful reflections
What reflection? Have you ever walked a mile in my shoes? The answer is probably not. As a child, I was mocked endlessly for being both Indian and Jewish. There was hardly a day that went by growing up in the 60's that people felt free to be bigots to my face.
All we have done is push the hate underground and every now and then it pops its head up, and all of those horrible feelings come right back to me.
So please don't call it triggered. It's like telling a rape victim that they should get over it.
“All we have done is push the hate underground…”
Actually, the only thing that can be considered positive about the rabid right narrative that is so prevalent, and that is being so inexplicably normalized, is that the hate has emerged from the shadows and is exposed for exactly what it is…intolerance, ignorance, and abject fear.
Let the light shine and fight the good fight lest we retreat into a new dark age for the lack of courage and clarity.
Of course not.
I don't think that this kid was doing that. And if his grandfather is, as reported, a Native American and a tribal leader, I don't think that they viewed it as mocking either.
They aren't at all equivalent.
Since you are white I'm sure that you don't have the slightest idea. Try growing up on a reservation next to a sundown town being forced to an Indian Boarding School, or refused service in a store or restaurant, or being mocked with the most horrible names.
If you had you would understand, but I doubt if you've ever experienced anything as described so it's no wonder you are amazed.
I guess you didn't get the sarcasm
No, I never had that experience. Maybe if I had, I would consider what this kid did as equivalent to your experience, but I don't.
I know that I don't have to ask you.
Of course you didn't, and it's quite obvious so you can stay amazed.
Mom identified Raul Armenta, member of the Santa Ynez Band of Chumash Tribe as the boys grandfather.
Guess no Christmas presents from Gramps this year.
But that’s what it is. And I don’t mean any disrespect by that. It’s just a fact. You’re triggered.
You don’t have to have suffered bigotry to be triggered by something. We can all be triggered by a thing. A world of things trigger me. But if we are going to live a life of good mental health, we need to try and recognize when we have been triggered by our own experience and not because of something someone else is doing.
So in this situation, it’s perfectly fine that - for a moment - you might see this kid’s painted face and be taken back to unpleasant memories. You have been triggered. That’s totally fair. But when you realize it’s just a kid supporting his team, and he has no ill intent toward you or anyone else, then you should try to relax a little. Have the grace to allow that not everything that triggers you is objectively offensive.
So, no one is saying you should get over it when it comes to bigotry. But you should get over it with respect to a sports fan who painted his face because he’s excited for his team. He’s not a bigot (and neither are his parents, if this is all we have to go on) and doesn’t deserve criticism.
Very thoughtful and well written. I always enjoy your comments even when I may disagree (rarely). Many times you cause me to consider something that I haven’t thought of.
Thanks spending some time here.
I think my amazement is over how long they hold on to the negative emotion. I get why someone might be triggered. But once you realize that we’re not looking at a brazen racist, but an innocent kid just rooting for a football team, it’s time to calm down, ya know? The people who are upset should be glad - relieved even - to find out that their initial shock was misplaced. Good news! This is a picture of fun, not evil.
I don’t know but have assumed that you aren’t old, like me. If so, you’re wise beyond your years.
It took me many years and surviving a serious, lengthy illness to come to the same realization. I’m a slow learner.
That is what I have been learning from watching hundreds of videos.
Unfortunately, so many people had abusive childhoods, and may still live in abusive situations, it is very difficult to communicate without causing pain to someone regardless of how unintended it is.