We are still learning about the 2020 election
The 2020 election was like no other in the nation's history. We had one candidate who refused to campaign and barely discussed issues facing the country. We had a former President who basically was challenged by the msm. We had the highest voter turnout in history for each of the two candidates. We had voting rule changes instituted by a rogue lawyer that would favor democrats. We had a key democratic donor who took advantage of the lack of state campaign rules. Last but not least we had one candidate overperform in the key swing states that he needed to win. Many other questions linger.
Now to top it all off a new poll by the Heartland Institute and Rasmussen Reports found one-in-five voters who cast mail-in ballots during the 2020 presidential election admit to participating in at least one kind of voter fraud:
When asked, “During the 2020 election, did you fill out a ballot, in part or in full, on behalf of a friend or family member, such as a spouse or child?”, 21% of respondents who said they voted by mail answered “yes.” (Filling out a ballot for someone else is illegal in all states, although many states allow people to assist others with voting.)
Additionally, 17% of mail-in voters said they voted “in a state where you were no longer a permanent resident.” Seventeen percent of mail-in voters also admitted to signing a “ballot or ballot envelope on behalf of a friend or family member.” (Both voting in a state where you are no longer a permanent resident and forging a signature on a ballot or ballot envelope are fraudulent activities that invalidate votes, when caught by election officials.)
According to election data, more than 43 percent of 2020 voters cast ballots by mail, the highest percentage in U.S. history.
Further, 10% of all respondents — not just those who said they voted by mail — claimed that they know “a friend, family member, co-worker, or other acquaintance who has admitted … that he or she cast a mail-in ballot in 2020 in a state other than his or her state of permanent residence.”
Eight percent of all respondents said “a friend, family member, or organization, such as a political party” offered them “pay” or a “reward” for agreeing to vote in the 2020 election.
Taken together, the results of these survey questions appear to show that voter fraud was widespread in the 2020 election, especially among those who cast mail-in ballots.
The poll of 1,085 likely voters was conducted from November 30 to December 6, 2023. Among those surveyed in the poll, 33% were Republicans, 36% were Democrats, and 31% were “other”; 32% were 18-39 years old, 46% were 40-64 years old, and 22% were 65 or older.
Heartland/Rasmussen Poll: One-in-Five Mail-In Voters Admit to Committing at Least One Kind of Voter Fraud During 2020 Election (yahoo.com)
In the coming years I'm sure we will learn more, but as I told certain people on X: You can take measures to prevent fraud before the election is held, but once the ballots are counted, you'll never find evidence of fraud.
In other news:
Jill Biden's lovely Christmas video has sparked controversy:
Much different from Christmas not long ago:
They say it's a matter of taste.
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You'll all be happy to know that Boston m ayor Michelle Wu has apologized for getting caught on her racism towards white people:
"We had individual conversations with everyone so people understand that it was truly just an honest mistake that went out in typing the email field," Wu told reporters.
Boston mayor defends excluding White people from holiday party (foxnews.com)
So she Apoligized for being caught, not for being a racist barring whites from the party door.
As predicted. she’ll keep her job and her party will support her racism.
It truly is the era of the left.
"Now to top it all off a new poll by the Harvard Institute and Rasmussen Reports found one- in-five voters who cast mail-in ballots during the 2020 presidential election admit to participating in at least one kind of voter fraud:"
Alas, it was not the Harvard Institute but the Heartland Institute. Are you in such a rush to get your opinion seeded that some basic proofreading is too daunting a task? Perhaps we could get Mayor Wu to apologize for you.
Not Harvard? Shouldn't this be corrected? That is false information otherwise.
First things first, and second I'd like to see how high MAGA shyte can be quantum piled.
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some people feel the need to mask the negative in the narrative to reinforce a weak argument.
Actually, isn't it an outright lie? We know it's false to begin with.
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‘Twas a good catch, sir.
Even better when there will be no retraction, only a churlish attempt to deny the error…if that. Oops, indeed.
So true, no retraction will be offered, just doubled down with the mis/disinformation
My X was a prof in International Finance, besides my being arm candy my other job was proofreading her students' dissertations.
“…besides my being arm candy…”
Never a trait to be discounted. I so enjoyed my time being the same and miss it and all it entailed. Peace.
That's why I have you.
No need. You don't have to so neither do we.
Suddenly you arrived.
Ha…it’s before 11:00 AM somewhere…
Still playing games?
That's why we can't take you seriously.
I've been had by several ladies and you are not one. Just pull up your hosiery and do some effing proofreading.
”That's why we can't take you seriously.”
Just who may we be?
And if anyone expects to be taken seriously here, they should take a second look at themselves. For too many, it is an addiction…needing a fix, an anonymous thumbs up, a quixotic tilt to fill some gaping void…and you all know who you are.
So if that strikes too close to home, no need to take me seriously, vic. I don’t.
My proofreader is away and you went over the line again. That's the problem with always being right on the line.
Let me guess, your dog ate your proofreader.
I always tell the truth, so I never need to be corrected. I never post false information.
Many of us take Hal [seriously,deleted]
When have you posted information of any sort?
I wonder the reaction if a white mayor announces a whites only Christmas party s/.
Leftists would be going apeshit apoplectic.
LOL!
Glad you put the sarcasm tag on it, though, as some need it.
No doubt.
Look how pissy they are that this news came out and we noticed!
Amen to that!
It looks like another busy shopping season for major stores in Philadelphia.
Poor woman have as much right to wear Lululemon as anyone.
They define it as "social justice."
What season would that be? The video is over 2 months old.
Maybe they were told it is best to get their Christmas shopping done early.
Whatever apologism tells ya.
You know it goes on every day. And people who think like you made it possible.
You're the only person I know of that thinks like me ... go figure, eh!
Regardless of reality, Trump lost badly, what MAGA believe matters?
Yes, he flipped 5 states to Biden.
State election officials certified the election results knowing that it was impossible to certify mail-in ballots. These election officials intentionally submitted false statements.
Since Biden won on decidedly skewed margins for mail-in votes, questions regarding the legitimacy of the Biden Presidency are warranted.
I'm so glad to finally hear somebody say it out loud!
I was pointing out that mail-in voting was not monitored and could not be certified several months ago. I was pointing out that mail-in voting allowed coercion, solicitation, and delegation 3 months ago simply because the voting is not monitored as in-person voting is monitored.
Yeah, I guess I'm saying 'told ya so'.
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along with failure to provide signature verification in violation of election laws in some states.
Pointing out the elephant in the room here … if mail in voting was a useful vehicle for cheating and skewing the vote, why didn’t Trump win? There should be no question in anyone’s mind who would be more inclined to embrace cheating: Trump, the incumbent with a history of being sued literally thousands of times, impeached twice, and indicted for interfering with said election, or Biden. The gaslighting on the right never ends. I wouldn’t be surprised if Trump actually was involved in mail in voting fraud but just couldn’t manage to leverage it enough to come out on top.
Well DeSantis' election police did arrested and charged 4 more people in The Village this week. They all voted illegally for Trump.
That is real justice taking place.
Democrats should take notes.
Seems rather obvious that Democrats are more adept at cheating. All things being equal (based on your argument) the split between Biden and Trump would have been similar for in-person and mail-in voting. But that's not what happened in reality. Trump won the in-person voting and Biden won the mail-in voting.
Mail-in voting cannot be as secure as in-person voting; that's impossible. Since Biden won the mail-in voting then Biden was the one who cheated by winning using a less secure voting method. Logic prevails.
You are insisting that mail in voting simply amounts to outright cheating. If there were any possibility of that being reality then Trump would have been all over it. Everyone knew that the split you referenced was going to happen. Trump has spent his entire life cheating everything and everyone, but he knew that this was not an avenue where “cheating” could help him win an election he had no chance of winning. All he could do was stomp his feet and make crazy accusations of cheating that he knew wasn’t even possible.
Do you want to point to any Democrats recently being busted for election fraud?
Sure, why not?
You searched for Judge Orders Election Re-Do After Democrats Commit Voter Fraud - State of the Union (stateofunion.org)
Did you wish this information for any particular reason, or did you think it was too hard to find or was nonexistent?
You’ve cited a single opinion piece with zero specifics and broken links. Par for the course.
wtf is stateofunion.org?
Click and find out!!!
The link works perfectly for me.
I simply click on what is on the blue part, then simply click on the part that says:
OPINION
Judge Orders Election Re-Do After Democrats Commit Voter Fraud
And voila!
I only provided one instance because that was what was asked.
There are plenty more, perhaps Google will be of help to you.
So you complain about the source because...you can't disprove any of it?
it's one of the newer alt-news media outlets for the americans only by accident of birth crowd.
For those who haven't been keeping up, this was a news story not so long ago, carried by multiple outlets.
See what happened here?
I was asked to name any Democrats involved in voter fraud.
I did the research FOR them and yet they still can't accept facts.
That is the primary reason I usually refuse to do the research FOR them.
Yes, you found some obscure neither region dark web blog site that had no information on it.
We are still waiting for those facts.
Keep up the stellar work!
It’s full of 404 links and includes no statistics or specifics at all. Just your kind of source.
I will not Google anything FOR you.
Either show data proving the source lied or cease bitching about the source.
Because it makes them look bad and afraid they would lose their membership cards for an admission of truth.
Also, I don't think they know how to use a search engine like Google or Bing.
You can look it up for yourself. You have Google, right?
Wait as long as it takes you to accept reality.
Well, at least that will make ONE of us doing something productive!
I suppose they don't know how ludicrous it is to assume Democrats never do anything wrong.
Yup, but I have enough to do backing up my own claims. I'm not about to back up yours too.
Look, I was asked to provide something and I did.
If you don't like the answers, perhaps rephrase your question into something I can give you the answer you desire.
Whining about sources is stupid.
From the source:
A judge has overturned a Democratic primary race in a Connecticut town after video evidence allegedly showed the incumbent mayor, Joe Ganim, cheating.
Ganim was initially trailing his opponent, John Gomes, but suddenly gained votes after absentee ballots were counted.
The judge ruled that the mishandling of a significant number of ballots and the violation of state law by Democratic officials cast serious doubt on the legitimacy of the primary election.
The judge called for a new primary race while the general election is still planned with Ganim as the Democratic nominee and Gomes as an independent candidate.
“The volume of ballots so mishandled is such that it calls the results of the primary election into serious doubt and leaves the court unable to determine the legitimate result of the primary,” Clark ruled.
“The videos are shocking to the court and should be shocking to all the parties” Clark pressed.
It is noted that Ganim was previously convicted of corruption but was re-elected after serving his sentence.
Ok.
Bridgeport Mayor Joe Ganim accuses challenger John Gomes of fraud
Bridgeport Mayor Joe Ganim admitted publicly for the first time on Tuesday his re-election campaign engaged in electoral misconduct.
“I own the fact that the court found people connected with my campaign, engaged in serious voting irregularities,” Ganim said.
Ganim, the Democratic mayor of the state’s largest city, barely won the September primary against his challenger John Gomes, leading to a lawsuit by Gomes over absentee ballot fraud and a new primary as a result.
But while Ganim said he took responsibility, he’s not resigning or suspending his campaign. He instead accused Gomes of hypocrisy, claiming his campaign committed absentee ballot fraud as well. Ganim is open to state election monitoring of his campaign, but only if Gomes commits to the same level of scrutiny.
Ganim called on Gomes to come clean on his campaign’s alleged transgressions.
“Gomes must admit that multiple people associated with his campaign, involved in his campaign, engaged in clearly unlawful ballot behavior in the primary as well,” Ganim said.
Ganim said he would be open to the Secretary of the State, Stephanie Thomas, to embed staff in his campaign, and monitor it for absentee ballot procedures to ensure the law is being followed.
But only if Gomes does it too.
“I’m also calling upon Mr. Gomes, my opponent, to do the same,” he said.
Ganim isn’t alone in accusing Gomes of double standards. Bridgeport City Council President Aidee Nieves released a statement on Tuesday.
“The Gomes campaign has gone to great lengths to throw allegations out at other people, while refusing to own up to and confront blatant absentee ballot abuse by their own agents,” Nieves said.
Nieves filed an affidavit with the State Elections Enforcement Commission on Nov. 30. In her affidavit Nieves wrote that she was also accused of electoral misconduct by the Gomes campaign.
Nieves accused several Gomes volunteers of the same actions leading to a new primary; stuffing ballot drop boxes with other people’s ballots.
Btw, all the links work in this source.
Thanks for the confirmation!!
You have corroborated what my source says as quoted on post 5.2.24!
Excellent!
I’ve done more than that, but you’d have to read it to figure that out so I don’t expect you to realize what [removed] [you’ve made of yourself.]
I managed to click on my link very easily.
But I am glad you have managed all on your own research to corroborate what my source said.
The only thing you managed to do is verify my response to being asked to provide some Democrats recently engaged in voter fraud, and I appreciate your efforts immensely
engaged in voter fraud
Your source alleges voting “irregularities” on behalf of one candidate. Mine shows that those allegations were being flung by both candidates, and that a city council member who was also accused by Gomes of the same is also accusing Gomes of the same. It’s just a allegation festival.
They are both Democrats what I was asked was to provide instances of Democratic voter fraud.
Mission accomplished!
Worked great for me, I even copied and pasted it on post 5.2.24 for your viewing pleasure.
You're welcome.
But you didn’t provide instances (plural). Your search couldn’t even come up with two, just one with vague allusions and accusations of fraud from multiple politicians. Weak as fuck.
[Deleted] Try clicking on the hyperlinks in 5.2.24. Do you know what a hyperlink is??
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I don't know what to do at this point.
I was asked to provide something, and I did.
Either they are disappointed I found something or they didn't think I could.
Either way, I gave exactly what was asked for and have caught nothing but flak for answering the question.
This above
is precisely what I was asked. By any stretch of over-active imaginations, I answered. If you don't like the answer, ask a different question.
Try this then.
Microsoft Bing
Recent instances of Democratic voter fraud
About 156,000 results
I don't know what to do at this point.
You could start by reading them yourself first and ensuring they aren’t loaded with broken hyperlinks thus making them suspicious. Pro-tip: if the first word on the page is OPINION, then perhaps look for a more objective source.
I read the article and seeded it.
I remain sorry you didn't like me pointing out instances of Democratic voter fraud.
Perhaps get people to stop asking things you don't want the answers to?
About 156,000 results
Wow, you read those fast! I rest my case and leave you with this:
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Nah, that's just Ron wagging the dog.
Here try these:
Courts Rule States Did Not Follow Their Own Election Laws In 2020 (thefederalist.com)
A 2020 Election Redo in 4 States? Here Are the Details About Texas Lawsuit | The Heritage Foundation
As More Vote by Mail, Faulty Ballots Could Impact Elections - The New York Times (nytimes.com)
Yes, voter fraud is real, and courts are cracking down on it (washingtonexaminer.com)
Editorial: Mail voting law is an end run around voters (timesunion.com)
Ballot-Stuffers Caught on Camera Have Upended a Race for Mayor - The New York Times (nytimes.com)
In 2012, Even the New York Times warned of errors and fraud with Absentee Ballots (crimeresearch.org)
28 Million Mail-In Ballots Went Missing in Last Four Elections | RealClearPolitics
How typical. The first one of your links didn’t reference an occurrence of fraud at all. Same with the second. The third has a paywall but looks to be the same. No point in looking at this list of fear mongering right wing propaganda any further.
yeah, I get how disappointing facts must be.
Relevant facts are preferred.
Ah, jokes when you have nothing else.
I think they're pissed because you found an example so quickly. And naturally instead of debating or disproving the actual information they attacked the source.
This is pathetic. With Trump as the extremely likely GOP nominee, GOP loyalists are now desperately trying to make a case that the 2020 election really was stolen in a ridiculously dishonest attempt to justify his actions.
What does that have to do with my comment or what I responded to?
Does your little Google thingy work??????
Oh, is THAT how it works?
lol
“…knowing that it was impossible to certify mail-in ballots.”
I have mentioned this before, but it bears repeating, especially in response to such an unfounded and purely politically motivated claim.
In my experience as an election judge, the policies in place to protect the integrity of every ballot are stringent and effective. The process is rigorous and bipartisan by design, with every caution taken to ensure the results are accurate.
Rather than spew propaganda, I encourage any doubter/denier to become a poll watcher or election worker and see for themselves the extent to which our electoral process is protected. If that is too much to ask, then any comment is uttered…parroted…from a point of ignorance.
Please vote!
There aren't any election workers or poll watchers for mail-in voting. There aren't any safeguards to prevent coercion, solicitation, or delegation during mail-in voting. In fact a mail-in ballot can be received along side campaign literature which is strictly prohibited at polling stations. A party representative can look over the voter's shoulder and tell them how to vote on a mail-in ballot which is strictly prohibited at polling stations.
The unmonitored and unsecure nature of mail-in voting makes it impossible to certify the integrity of mail-in voting.
“There aren't any safeguards to prevent coercion, solicitation, or delegation during mail-in voting.”
That is simply wrong.
Every mail-in ballot requires a signature certifying that that particular voter completed the ballot. When that ballot arrives for processing, the signature is verified…verified from signatures submitted from previous elections..,as a database goes back years that holds that information.
Should there be a discrepancy, a bipartisan group will pull that ballot to be cured. Cured meaning the citizen will be contacted to offer them the opportunity to verify their identity in person. The ballot also faces a bipartisan adjudication process before it is counted should there be any further concerns.
Your contention is not only wrong, it is dangerous.
And yet the anonymity of the polling data allows people to admit they deliberately violated the integrity of the mail-in ballot. How is the decreased rejection of mail-in ballots during 2020 rectified with the polling data reported above?
My contention may, indeed, be dangerous but the contention is supported by real-world data and not by wishful thinking.
“How is the decreased rejection of mail-in ballots during 2020 rectified with the polling data reported above?”
Equating ballots accepted, verified, cured and adjudicated with nebulous polling data is a fool’s errand.
You have every right to hear what you hope to hear and see what you hope to see…but if you feel compelled to speak to those hopes, do so with at least a modicum of knowledge.
I see. It's the voters, themselves, who are lying their asses off but the political class are completely trustworthy, honest, and above board.
Man, that's a special brand of smoke. Bring enough to share?
“I see.”
As he goes off the rails lacking the confidence and/ or confirmation to make a cogent, compelling argument. Carrion.
"Every mail-in ballot requires a signature certifying that that particular voter completed the ballot. When that ballot arrives for processing, the signature is verified…verified from signatures submitted from previous elections..,as a database goes back years that holds that information."
I have to agree. Colorado has been an early vote mail in/drop box ballot state for several years now. A few elections ago I signed my ballot wrong and soon received a letter from the election commission that I needed to certify my ballot before it could be counted.
Our election system in Colorado is pretty fool proof. Ballots come in the mail about 3 weeks before election day. About two weeks before the election the bolted down drop boxes are opened for deposit and are under camera surveillance. Ballots are collected and tallied daily, so most of them have been processed by the time the polls close. At which time, all ballots must have been received.
No long lines, no last-minute rush to vote, except for the usual procrastinators. In the Denver metro area most totals have pretty much been counted by sunrise. In the rural and downstate areas, the results take a bit longer to tally.
I've already made the cogent, compelling argument. You've dismissed the real world polling data with institutional procedures, theoretical idealism, and no hard facts.
By dismissing the polling data, out of hand, you really are claiming the voters are lying their asses off. And you are arguing that we should place more trust in the institutional procedures and theoretical idealism and not trust voter's real-world experience expressed in polling data.
“By dismissing the polling data…”
…when one hangs their hat on ‘polling data’, one is but hoisting oneself upon their own petard.
Should we then just simply dismiss all polling data?
It doesn't serve any purpose?
So, the states where almost all voting is done by mail, by mainly conservatives, in all the years leading up to 2020, were not valid?
I suspect you mailed in your vote. I believe Vic is a mail in voter as well. Are your votes fraudulent?
That's hilarious!
Did you mail in your vote?
Democrats counted on this to happen. But to call them on it, their supporters begin shrieking and begin with the normal excuses.
Lol. Yeah, a poll of 33%R, 36%D, and 31% other (by Rasmussen) means that when results indicated people “cheated” then it had to be just the Democrats. Nice logic.
And as predicted they start.
Start what? Calling out moronic assertions from the right? It’s a never ending job here.
The normal excuses I stated in 6 above. Don't you read?
The “excuses” are normal because the right unyieldingly repeats the same unwarranted nonsense ad nauseum. I guess you all are not familiar with the definition of insanity. Btw, this stupid op/ed does not make the ridiculous claim that you have derived from it - that “cheating” only occurred on the side of democrats.
The “excuses” are normal because
Because you all can't deal with the reality of what you are supporting. So instead of admitting you all fucked up, you try ( and fail miserably) to gaslight everybody. Just another day ending in "Y".
Opinions will vary.
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How pithy ... @!@
Read and learn!
In other news, Jill Biden's lovely Christmas video continues the tradition of the minstrel show which has been a cultural favorite of Democrats.
Minstrel shows were populated by caucasian performers wearing 'blackface'. Now I'm just a dumb ole Canuck who can only read fineprint by candlelight and I will be forever grateful if you can pin the 'lovely' black or white tail on the 'lovely' white or black donkey for me. Thanx, u're a luv!
Does calling it Black vaudeville put enough lipstick on the Democrat pig to sooth the racist heart?
(Billy Higgins; not a dumb ol' Canuck in blackface.)
Hopefully by the next election, the majority of Republicans can forget about elections past and concentrate on winning elections going forward.
Are no longer Republicans.
That is an odd claim.
Yes, MAGA is a malignant mutation that emerged from the gop.
Now that Trump is the overwhelmingly likely GOP nominee, it is predictable for GOP loyalists to now try to erase his wrongdoings. Even so, it is remarkable to see attempts to actually claim the 2020 election had enough dishonesty to affect the results … i.e. that Trump really won.
Trump lost. Biden won. Delusional arguments are counterproductive.
gee, it's going to be difficult for republicans to get that 2nd impeachment, 4 criminal indictments, and 91 charges on biden in their 2024 candidate equivalency campaign, in addition to running for re-election, ... while collaborating with putin...
There are plenty of Jordan Klepper interviews with Trumptards available online to illustrate how little that will matter.
low hanging maga fruit...
It is not a contest, all they need is one.
Dingleberries
“Trump lost. Biden won. Delusional arguments are counterproductive.”
The delusion is contagious as they are but laying the groundwork for 2024. Rinse and repeat.
The true danger lies with the concerted efforts of infiltrating local school boards, undermining confidence in our election process, and attacking any perceived bias as an existential threat to their definition of democracy.
Exactly! An appropriate foundation of lies in support of Trump.
They are not lies. Democrats like Marc Elias made it easy to cheat and we know democrats will cheat given the chance.
We already knew that mail-in-ballots were open to fraud:
‘Absentee ballots remain the largest source of potential voter fraud.” That quote isn’t from President Trump, who criticized mail-in voting this week after Wisconsin Democrats tried and failed to change an election at the last minute into an exclusively mail-in affair. It’s the conclusion of the bipartisan 2005 report of the Commission on Federal Election Reform, chaired by former President Jimmy Carter and former Secretary of State James Baker III.
Heed Jimmy Carter on the Danger of Mail-In Voting - WSJ
Yes, they are.
Plus, things have changed since 2005
Biden legitimately won the 2020 election.
There is no point making ridiculous arguments attempting to introduce doubt.
Enough. MAGAs for all this talk about freedom, liberty, and privilege. . . why the hell are you all complaining about a liberal president not being so-called traditional for your tastes. It strikes me that nothing that is not acceptably "white" in its presentation will suit MAGA 'tastes.' We don't want to be conservatives. We don't want to live by archaic ideologies. We want to aspire to the most liberty/ties, freedoms, and privileges possible and that is not what MAGA wants at all for us!
Looks like you are completely clueless to what MAGA wants.
I know MAGAs want Trump and he comes with a book of DISCLAIMERS and a load of CAUTIONARY TALES which some conservatives try to ignore, but can't!
is everything centered around MAGA for you?
I am not on Trump's online protection team if that is what you meant.
Not what I meant at all.
Hell, I didn't even know there WAS a Trump Protection Team.
How'd you hear about it?
A word salad that kamala would be proud of
Wow. Kamala. . . I wonder if she comes to mind because she is a person of color. I won't wonder long, nevertheless. Carry on.
Maybe race is always on your mind but not all of us have that affliction.
A clear reference to word salads, something made infamous by Kamala Harris. Not a thing to do with race despite your best efforts to make it appear so.
Race is a big deal in MAGA- America. You can pretend it is not . . . but that is a delusion going somewhere to happen.
C'mon, we all know this is about the 'person of color' VP and her being liberal is just a 'two-fer.'
And yet, it is YOU introducing race where it doesn't belong.
You may "know" that.
I know the truth.
Sorry, race, race baiting, virtue signaling and identity politics is all lwnj fascist thing.
Nope.
Good talk.
Using the dubious logic we often see deployed here, had you NOT mentioned Harris. that would prove you are racist
I live race in MAGA "America" largely because I have no interest in becoming a conservative or following any one conservative ideology. And there is not a damn thing MAGA can or will aid in doing about it.
Maga America.
I guess Joe Biden has let you down greatly.
has anyone ever even SUGGESTED you become conservative?
Why would a leopard change its spots?
Can you elaborate on what " I live race" means????
Virtue signaling? Like making women have "invalid" babies to suit the MAGA bent ("We can MAKE those liberals and secularists give 'us' more babies even if/when it kills them or them both. . .and for the ones that do live. . .feed them too!")
Well, when race becomes something that is not a hot-button issue for those who long for the past, I will agree to stop. Because I am so much more than the color of my skin. . . but, that was true the day I was born long ago. . .and I still lived in the mocking and contempt of MAGAs. Because I will not bow down to the lies of some conservatives.
It is liberal white guilt that allows some folks to believe all they have to is call someone racist and they will back down. Many liberal elitists have done just that. I reject and ignore the label attempt.
you are all over the place in your posts.
NOPE. If you don't know. . .it's not for you, I guess. Stick with just posting negative partisan critiques. . . .
Nope.
Yet it is you that brought the word salad queens race into the conversation.
Yeah, I know exactly what you mean.That calling folks racists worked until they just assigned the label to anyone not agreeing with them and it took all the sting out of the insult.
I don't want you to back down: Bring it on! Because I am past the stage of taking MAGAs seriously anyway. This is more like par for the course.
You may pass on sending me any more of your cryptic messages if you are unwilling to clearly explain whatever it is you're talking about.
Thanks!
Ditto.
I am not the least concerned about giving MAGAs a "sting" I will let you know what you what you need to know-whether you internalize it or not. It's all the same to me.
Congrats, I fully understood your comment
I don't talk cryptically or in codes.
I am past the point of taking anyone calling everyone MAGA seriously. Have a lovely evening.
You have that negative partisanship critiquing thing; It's a living, right.
You will "let" me know.
oh, joy!
When can I expect this miraculous enlightenment?
Seriously, wtf are you going on about now??
Remember, no more cryptic messages!!!!
We're done here. Keep doing whatever it is you do here (negative partisanship) with somebody who gives a damn. Bye.
Not everyone is MAGA but not everyone is a die hard liberal making everything about race, either.
You have whatever evening you can.
I will always treasure these precious moments we were able to share.
This seed and the comments on it are largely sludge.
Of the 180 comments I'd say about 20 or 30 were worth reading. The repetitiveness is off the charts.
The Heartland Institute is a right wing think tank. Rassmussen is a conservative lap dog. You might just as well go with a "poll" like this that was conducted by the Trump campaign.
The premise of this article is that Democrats cheated in mail in voting but Republicans didnt. That only Democrats voted in one state while their residence was another. There is no facts behind this, just excuses.
We are supposed to believe that grandma wanted to vote for Trump, but grandson stole the ballot and checked the box for Biden.
ALL of the MAGA doubts about the election were created by one man, the Republican candidate. Trump said that if he lost the only possible cause would be that the Democrats cheated. That totally set the stage for all the insanity that folllowed. Lemming behavior.
Trump said the same thing in 2016. Those are FACTS that are entirely relevant to all this, but the MAGA dumbasses dont want to see. "Stop The Steal" was baked in the cake before a vote was cast.
We had 3 very unique elections in which the democrats outperformed. They had one thing in common: massive mail in voting. Mail-in-voting lacks positive identification. This voting change was created by basically one man with the pandemic as the excuse. The Constitution says that only State legislatures make election rules. The SCOTUS should have taken that case.
Expect more of the same.
Pre-election polling had Biden winning by more than the final results showed. If there was cheating, and Trump outperformed the polling, then the logical assumption would be that Trump cheated.
Trump, who refused to believe he could lose, started spreading The Big Lie before anyone voted. Doesnt that give you pause?
Trump lost because tens of thousands of Republican voters in swing states left the top line on the ballot blank. MAGA's thought that everyone loved him, but Trump lost because of widespread disdain of him.
Do you recall what democrats did during the 2016 primaries? They ran out to "open" primaries and voted for Trump thinking he could never be elected. I personally know two people (democrats) who admitted to me that they did just that. You don't think democrats would do the same with mail-in-balloting? We are still trying to understand why the rate of mail-in-ballot rejection went so low in an election where the mail-in-voting percentage went so high:
In the 2020 election, 69% of voters nationwide cast their ballot nontraditionally — by mail and/or before Election Day. This is the highest rate of nontraditional voting for a presidential election (Figure 1) since questions regarding voting method have been included in the survey.
By comparison, about 40% of voters cast their ballots by mail and/or prior to Election Day in 2016.
What Methods Did People Use to Vote in the 2020 Election? (census.gov)
In 2020 , voters cast 70,550,699 absentee/mail-in ballots in the general election. Of these, 560,177 (0.8%) of which were rejected. By comparison, absentee/mail-in ballot rejection rates in 2018 and 2016 were 1.4% and 1.0%, respectively. [1]
Turnout and absentee/mail-in data on this page comes from the U.S. Election Assistance Commission's (EAC) annual "Election Administration and Voting Survey" unless otherwise noted. Percentages were calculated by Ballotpedia.
You also had this:
A Georgia judge related to former Democratic gubernatorial candidate Stacey Abrams ruled that voters who have changed their address can still vote from their previous address.
“This makes no sense. A judge (the sister of Stacey Abrams) ruled that when someone tells the US Postal Service they have moved they still can vote from their old address,” former White House press secretary Ari Fleischer tweeted. “Rules have no meaning any more. This is nuts.”
Judge, sister of Stacey Abrams, rules that voters who have changed their address can vote at old address | Washington Examiner
Trump legitimately lost the 2020 election. Biden legitimately won. This is reality. It is not going to change.
Once all those mail-in-ballots were accepted they became legitimate.
Fraud is prevented before the voting begins.
‘Absentee ballots remain the largest source of potential voter fraud.” That quote isn’t from President Trump, who criticized mail-in voting this week after Wisconsin Democrats tried and failed to change an election at the last minute into an exclusively mail-in affair. It’s the conclusion of the bipartisan 2005 report of the Commission on Federal Election Reform, chaired by former President Jimmy Carter and former Secretary of State James Baker III."
Heed Jimmy Carter on the Danger of Mail-In Voting - WSJ
This is pointless, Vic. Trump lost the election. You can engage in all sorts of speculation of fraud, but that does not change reality.
Potential fraud is not the same as actual fraud. A small percentage of fraud is not the same as fraud at a level sufficient to change the outcome of an election.
Trump lost the 2020 election legitimately. He was and is wrong to claim it was stolen. His supporters are wrong (and ridiculous) to try to continue this disgustingly dishonest charade.
There were two more consequential elections following 2020. They also had massive mail-in-balloting. Democrats overperformed in them as well.
Interesting, isn't it?
What about the poll of voters?
Why not verify signatures?
Speculation without persuasive supporting evidence is interesting but ultimately pointless.
One can speculate about potential wrongdoing but that will never make it real.
Meaningful evidence. Not just outlier events but real evidence that fraud is changing the results of US elections. Without that evidence, the claims of fraud should be rightfully dismissed.
All we have here is a poll of people who voted. Should that poll be censored?
One can speculate about potential wrongdoing but that will never make it real.
Especially when we are talking about the most honest election in human history/ S
Not just outlier events but real evidence that fraud is changing the results of US elections.
For the third time: There cannot be evidence after an election. The idea is to prevent fraud before the voting begins.
I have not objected to measures to mitigate fraud so stop with the strawman.
My point was and remains that attempts to support Trump’s absurd lie that the 2020 election was rigged are profoundly dishonest and pointless. He lost; Biden legitimately won.
I guess we can shake on that.
[John is not the topic]