Divider in Chief gets heckled
Joe Biden followed up his hate filled rant at Valley Forge with a day of pandering to black voters at Mother Emanuel Church laid out the central theme of his 2024 campaign messaging: Joe is like George Washington and Donald Trump is like Hitler. Unlike his campaign speech at Valley Forge which was by invitation only (To faithful Biden supporters,) old Joe faced a bit of unexpected heckling at what should have been another Nuremberg like rally.
It seems that there were a few of those wonderful pro-Palestinian protesters there calling for a ceasefire in the Israel-Hamas conflict. The Jim Clyburn crowd tried to drown them out by chanting "four more years!"
Old Joe, as always, had to accommodate those on the far left and said:
“I understand their passion,” Biden said, acknowledging the protesters, as well as a rift that’s divided some within the Democratic Party. “I’ve been quietly working with the Israeli government to get them to reduce and significantly get out of Gaza.”
Biden speech in South Carolina church interrupted by protesters - Democratic Underground
The ending may have been the best part. Unlike at Valley Forge when Jill Biden had to take Joe by the hand and lead him off the stage, this time he found his way out.
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I stand with those who favor less divisive politics.
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Bullshit. You stand with those who support your point of view. Your POV includes Trump as President. There is no more divisive figure in American politics. Therefore, your assertion is false.
This weekly or twice weekly column on NT is otherwise known as the community punching bag.
Let me see:
"Deplorables," "racists," "xenophobes," "Islamophobes," and "clingers."
Nope, I'm afraid my assertion is absolutely correct.
You wish
WTF have you been. The Democrats, especially Brandon, have passed Trump on the fly. Leftist just accept their divisiveness is all.
You did not address my rebuttal but merely came up with a list of words. Presumably they have some meaning beyond the dictionary definition. What precisely that is one cannot be sure. So this list of words with no backing logic and the bare assertion that one is correct is merely just that: Bare assertion.
You are kidding ......right?
You forgot, "Hitler," "Nazi," and "end of democracy"
don't forget about thumpers...
I believe it was 'bitter clingers'
That must be why you call Democrats communists, socialists, radicals, race hustlers, etc.
Race will always be an issue in America. Number one, there are millions of racists in America, and number two, a large number of white racists insist that they are the real victims, and act like it.
"Number one, there are millions of racists in America"
Totally ignorant and uninformed lie.
And one where all are expected to voice poutrage!
That's quite a generalization. Can you prove that with real statistics?
Nope.
Well, not unless we redefine what 'white supremacist' means!
“Race will always be an issue in America.”
So sad, so wrong, but so true.
Until we can collectively acknowledge this truth…we will be subject to reluctance, resistance, and continual contempt of those who dare shine a light on the dark intentions.
I dont think people answer census questions on that subject. There has been polling and surveys that show a percentage of people that would amount to millions of the population harbor racially biased views.
Just as long as people make it so through division and special concessions made because of race.
One can not end racism by practicing it.
Acknowledging its existence does nothing about the problem, either.
Then you should stop saying it.
There has been polling and surveys that show a percentage of people that would amount to millions of the population harbor racially biased views.
It doesn't show anything.
Do you consider every racially biased view to be the views of racists?
Or just white poeple's?
I'm very specific. I say things about public figures for good reason. I don't come on with calling an entire groups racist like we see in post 1.1.
Race will always be an issue in America.
As long as there are Marxist professors using race.
Too much money in being a race-hustler.
“As long as there are Marxist professors using race.”
The disdain for higher education is well documented…forgetting that racism is a learned behavior from an early age…inculcated by ignorance and fear long before a child enters the college system.
Platitudes are nice and all but they don't solve any problems.
So what you are saying is that college professors learned to be racist from their parents? that's why they think that there should be different criteria for African Americans that there are for white or Asian students?
Two university presidents just resigned because they couldn't condemn antisemitism on campus.
“So what you are saying is that college professors…”
…are teaching how racism is a part of our culture. Apparently scary stuff for some.
They are educating all of us, if we would just listen, that we should acknowledge it, how we can address it, and how we must change it. Emphasis on we…as it effects all of us in every aspect of our lives…educationally, judicially, economically, and societally.
They are "educating" us that race defines your life and that racial discrimination is just. Same view of the world Nazis and Jim Crow advocates have.
Not scary to me, as long as they college professors perpetuate it, it will be part of our culture, as long as democrats keep perpetuating the myth that African Americans can't compete without their help it will be part of our culture. you see facts don't make me run away or scare me, Obama was a good president, but he allowed children to be sold to sex traffickers because of his border policies. this is also a fact. Obama was a boon to the child sex trafficking industry, on a far larger scale than Epstein could of ever dreamed of.
They could never use the class struggle in America. There was just too much upward mobility, but the use of "race" has worked for them. You can't change your race.
Which is odd... Because you can supposedly change your sex just by saying you have changed it, despite their being a much stronger biological basis for sex as opposed to race.
They perceived that race could be much more toxic. After all this country had done to end discrimination, they came right back and created racial division and called it "education."
Racism is defined as “prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one’s own race is superior.” I don't know how to measure levels of “prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism" or of what magnitude of disdain counts as “superiority.” How do you measure the level necessary to exceed bias or prejudice and reach racist?
You might just as well say there is no socialism in America, no wokeism in America, no inequality in America, homophobia in America, no nothing in America.
I think the answer might lie somewhere between millions and none.
“Obama was a good president, but he allowed children to be sold to sex traffickers because of his border policies…”
God gawd. Read that again. Try to explain it. Who could possibly vote that up unless they are explicit in their cultism.
Starting with those first five words!
Did Elizabeth Warren get this memo?
She tried, but Trump caught up to her!
And again here it is. Obama administration placed children with human traffickers, report says - The Washington Post
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People who actually know the facts, Let me guess, trump is responsible for everything but Obama wasn't responsible for what his policies did, Do you hold him to a lower standard because of his race?
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You are so into the cult of Obama that the Washington post is a Qanon source now? Dismissed.
“Dismissed.”
As you and your churlish comments will be going forward.
Democrats will make sure of it. They get their power from it. Keeping people divided is what they are all about.
The majority being Democrats/leftists who seem to think Blacks, Latinos, and other minorities can't do anything on their own and must be continuously pandered to. They can't get ID's to vote. They can't register. They're too lazy to vote in person. They need preferential treatment on jobs- "The color of their skin matters more than the content of their being."
Again talking about white Democrats any time something doesn't go their way. They are the ultimate victims. Just ask them.
Joe Biden, who was a good friend of an Exalted Cyclops of the KKK (Robert Byrd), clearly practiced this yesterday in Charleston by telling a Black congregation that "white supremacy" is [still] a great threat to our "democracy".
Was that the same Joe Biden that sponsored the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994 that imprisoned so many Black men?
Was that the same Joe Biden who during the democrat presidential debates during a question on racism said that African American women were too stupid to raise their own children and we need to send social workers to help them?
Yes, it was but nuance is always part of history, and the ''crack'' epidemic was tearing black communities apart the bill was supported by the majority of blacks and many black mayors of cities. Gallup did a poll in 1994 that showed 58% of blacks supported the bill and 49% of whites supported the bill.
The next logical question would be, did it reduce crime, again a nuanced question but one side of it shows that crime by whites dropped 17%, for Hispanics 26%, and 34% for blacks.
Let's forget the bill also contained the landmark ''Violence Against Women Act''...
Racism is learned...usually from parents.
It's also the same racist Joe Biden who Kamala Harris eviscerated when it came to school busing during a debate.
I remember a Sen Biden that sponsored a bill limiting courts’ powers to order bussing but also an amendment to an appropriations bill that barred the federal government from withholding funding from schools that remained segregated. Co-sponsors included segregationist Jesse Helms, and Strom Thurmond. Of course Blue Wilmington Del was part of a bussing court order so Bide had state support.
I think it was the same year that Boston police had to protect Black children from racist blue white adults when the courts order bussing there.
I remember when a group of Republicans blocked the reauthorization of the Violence Against Women's Act because Native American and Alaska Native women were covered and immigrant women were covered. I guess then didn't think that women of color need be protected.
It wasn't until 2005 that NA/AN were covered by the bill.
Is that your defense of Biden's past?
Didn’t SCOTUS find that parts of the original act unconstitutional?
It's obvious to most that it's a response to drinker and that Biden doesn't seem to be the only one that uses race in politics.
Yes, they did as shown below which had nothing to do with the NA/AN women being excluded.
The most important part of this act for NA/AN to be covered is that the rate of sexual assault againt them is three times the national average. 80 plus % of the crimes are comitted by non Indians against Indians.
No, it is the truth.
No, millions would be correct.
Truth, of course usually from their parents, unfortunately a lot of them don't grow up and wake up
I don't know why I am bothering to ask but do show a link to your documentation. This goes for your comment on1.3.48 also.
Do hope you're not holding your breath waiting.
Have been friends with many folk of color throughout my life as a musician and some have told me that they hate white folk saying that they have many black friends (so they seem to be not racist). The worst Catch 22 of all time.
Fuck all racists no matter what color they are!
Democrats question whether Biden should agree to debate Trump.
Democrats question whether Biden should agree to debate Trump | The Hill
It wouldn't be a good idea.
While questions around Biden's current mental abilities are being asked, there's no doubt that Trump would use such a platform to attack and regurgitate old issues. But we've not seen a presidential general election without a candidate debate since Nixon refused to participate in any debate in 1968 and 1972. Not sure that he could get away without being in a debate and I'm confident if he were to refuse to debate the RNC would use that in a series of attack ads.
I dont think Biden wants Trump shouting at him and constantly interrupting him again. In 2020 Trump may have ruined the prospect of presidential debates for the foreseeable future (until Trump is dead and gone).
I wouldn't want that either. But Biden needs to confront the image that a lot of people have that he is not mentally capable of holding the office if re-elected. I think the bigger fear that the Biden team has is that Biden could not handle Trump shouting at him and his inability to debate would impact his re-election changes. From my perspective, Biden has been well protected by his team and there's just no way they can protect him in a debate setting. But he needs to do something or many people will go into the election thinking he's just not up to it.
Damn, I miss the days when candidates would tell us who they were and what they wanted to do in office that would impact our lives and make our lives better.
What Biden needs to do is a long interview with a "neutral" media figure and answer unscripted questions. That would be the best indicator available as to whether or not he has lost it.
The same for Trump.
Biden might stumble a few times in such an environment, and Trump would lie his ass off. I'll take the stumbler.
I would love to see that, but I doubt that one could find a "neutral" media figure. The level of trust for the media is tied with the level of trust in the federal government at 32%.
I think it is more likely that old Joe doesn't want to answer real questions about his performance as president. In the debate that you are referring to, Joe had the line about all the intelligence officials who thought the laptop resembled Russian disinformation. What a dirty trick that was. They could still help him I'm sure.
it would be rather interesting to hear him keep explaining how inflation it just temporary 3 YEARS later and how he has 'secured' the border!
I would tune in just for THAT!
So trump has ruined the GOP, America, democracy and now Presidential debates. is there anything you can't blame on trump?
Hyperbole noted.
I really can't see how anyone can think the debates actually matter. Hell, one can't even call them legitimate debates.
Shouting, insulting and interrupting are all old Biden tactics. He was still threatening to fight a voter for questioning him just a few years ago. If he wants to pretend to be the guy who's dealing with adversarial foreign leaders, he should be able to stand toe to toe with another old man for a few hours and deal with him.
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Maybe this time Trump will give Biden a good 30 minutes to collect his thoughts.
We don't need an opinion piece from the Chicago Tribune for that. We had Chris Wallace jumping out of his seat every 5 minutes telling the President not to interrupt old Joe.
Hey, whatever happened to Chris Wallace?
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More bullshit from leftist talking heads? There is a never ending supply of it; and you seem to be able to find it readily enough.
Brandon can't defend himself- so his media sycophants do it for him.
Not long enough.
That is a good way to describe Biden.
That bastard ruined my 4th of July picnic. Fricking climate change (of which Trump is solely responsible for) caused the mayo to turn.
hehe... we can all play that game, can't we...
Since those reviews were written we have learned about the 50 Intelligence officials who contributed to Biden's key statement and the lie they told.
Poor baby. How a candidate handles being interrupted says alot about him. Have you never seen a debate or even an interview of people on TV that do not share the same political views?
trump's afraid to debate the maga ass kissers and pardon promisers in his own party...
profiles in cowardice...
That sounds like projection coming from anyone who backed someone who hid in his basement for a solid year.
Probably not. In 2020 Trump was credited on having put on one of the most lunatic displays in political debate history as he shouted at Biden, the moderator, the audience and the tv viewers, and interrupted Biden dozens of times.
Its best to keep such unhinged and disgraceful behavior off our television sets.
Biden is doing a good job of disgracing himself every day for all America to see all by himself.
He couldn't let Biden continue to lie. I'm sure many people wish they had listened.
Take him off the ballot, keep him off TV, tell reporters to report on bidenomics "the roght way" and then tell us all about how the dems care about a fair election to protect democracy.
You can't make this shit up.
It is amazing. I've never seen a President turn himself into a Roomba and wander around the stage after an incoherent speech like Traitor Joe does.
Only if the Easter Bunny can be there with him.
Oh yes, for guidance.
Trump won't debate anyone, he's a coward that runs and hides.
It would be a great idea! Biden would destroy Trump.
(And Tromp knows it)
I think some hard core leftist lib Democrats may be terrified of such a debate happening.
They never know how bad Biden can be. On rare occasions, when it counts, he is sometimes up to the task. I have no idea why that is.
An old friend of mine once told me the secret of life is better living through modern pharmaceuticals. In his particular case he was referring to weed but hey, other stuff applies.
I would add appreciating what you have.
There’s no way Biden will debate trump or anyone else. There aren’t enough stimulants in the world to keep him focused for hours
In this election cycle, how many people has trump debated?
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Trump is now completely insane and his handlers don't want the world seeing it.
Biden is beginning to crack. Biden attempting to stir up racial grievances from the pulpit is an act of desperation. Biden's political future (and legacy) hinges on one SCOTUS ruling.
If SCOTUS allows CO to ban Trump from the primary ballot then the floodgates will open. Trump will be banned on too many ballots to allow him winning the Republican nomination. That scraps Biden's entire re-election playbook. Biden has been planning to campaign as a challenger to Trump instead of running as an incumbent. Without Trump, Biden will have to defend his record.
Biden's race-baiting politics won't fly so high this time, either. There are too many prominent Black politicians in the news cycle. Black mayors of New York City and Chicago are whining about illegal immigrants destroying their cities. A Black chancellor of Harvard had to resign due to a self inflicted controversy. A Black Sec. of Defense has also created his own controversy that is headline news. A veteran Black SCOTUS Justice is under scrutiny for questionable ethics; another self inflicted controversy. The Vice President is a woman of color that the Biden administration is trying to hide from the public because of her self inflicted controversies. Black District Attorneys and prosecutors in two states are going to fulfill Democrat expectations for jailing Donald Trump.
Biden has screwed himself and he won't be allowed to hide that fact. Biden botched up the end of one war and has dragged the country into two new quagmires. Biden's climate change politics has drifted into the absurd and now the energy independence of the US is in serious danger. Biden's profligate spending has caused inflation that robbed retirement savings of their value and pushed the cost of the American Dream out of the reach of main street. And main street knows its been screwed; they've been here before.
If Trump is banned from running then Biden becomes an inconsequential one-term President. Biden's legacy becomes an Obama quote; do not underestimate Joe Biden's ability to screw up everything.
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When I return, we may cover the Golden Globes Awards.....
Reminds me of the cartoon Zippy...
Are you sad that she makes much more money than you do?
Should I be? Because I'm not.
And you know that how?
Biden isn't going to debate anyone because the DNC is going to force him out of running. His campaigning is all smoke and mirrors designed to cover up he's going drop out for "Health Reasons" The DNC will choose the person they want to be president.
Well they better get on that because they are way late in the game to start ramping up another candidate.
In other words, your hypothesis is profoundly flawed.
I wish it were not so, but it is quite obvious that the DNC is going with Biden.
I'll remind you of what you said when Biden drops out of the race. IMO Biden will be replaced by a candidate named by the Democratic National Committe.
If I'm wrong, you can remind me of what I said.
If you are wrong, I have no interest in discussing this. Same old shit is at play: Biden v Trump.
However, if you are right, I will be quite interested because that means something is happening in at least one of the parties to give us a choice.
I could see what MM saying happening, let folks attack Biden for the primary season, then come the convention he drops out and they during convention draft someone else
I can especially see it happening if the trend of not holding primaries and denying ballot access making a single candidate the only one running going into the nominating convention.
From convention to election days is simply a short sprint that can be barnstormed,avoiding all the negativity of primaries.
Of course the person would have to be respected across political lines, carry no negative political baggage , a big factor that would need to be filled is national name recognition
Like it or not, my humble opinion is the back room people of the party will also if they already haven't , consider age, sex, and race .
That gives a very short window for the D presidential candidate to win over the electorate. A very bad strategy. This is more like a contingency plan. Something that would be executed if Biden starting failing in health during the campaign and they had to find someone else.
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You missed my point.
I am saying what you proposed would make sense as a contingency plan, not as a strategy.
You have Biden using health (lying) as an excuse to withdraw. If that is the plan then I repeat that it should have been executed months ago.
Biden might legitimately withdraw due to real health concerns and in that case what you described would serve as an appropriate contingency plan. Not the best plan overall, but likely if faced with a contingency.
I don't know.
Looking at the criteria I listed,many on the bench wouldn't pass muster, like Harris, Clinton or Newsom to be drafted.
I can think of one name/person who can and would meet all those criteria, I think the DNC and the convention participants could agree on.
Michelle Obama.
Tim Walz
Oprah
Michelle Obama would probably be the best candidate the Dems could put forth. The contrast between her and Trump would be staggering particularly in intellect .
Walz I had to look up, so too would a lot of folks.
Now Oprah, I think she would have to take too big of a pay cut and have to put too much in a blind trust investment wise to even really consider political office.
John , I'm not going on the assumption that trump will be the nominee, he faces the same things Biden does in my view, his age is against him , his actual record is against him,and his health both physical and mental is against him. And those are just things I see myself,others have other things they consider.
I simply put forth what I thought could or might happen and what I thought might be used in that situation as hypothetical as it is right now.
The other thing to remember? She can decline if she so chooses even if drafted in convention.
We shall see what happens in 10 months.less actually, the conventions are in Aug I think.
I agree, Walz does not have the name recognition. But he would make a great PotUS IMO.
Oprah has uber name recognition but no experience.
Make a ticket with the two of them.
Oprah approached Romney to run as his VP in 2020. He turned her down.
What is your best guess on how Trump realistically could NOT be the GOP nominee?
Lol, my best WAG( wild ass guess) would have to do with physical health, he ain't a spring chicken, a dibilitating stroke realistically comes to mind and can happen to anyone at anytime, sometimes for no apparent reason.
I think we already have the ultimate contrast.
Pretty sure that far right wing fascism gives the rest of us a choice.
I don't know how the DNC can do that considering that the deadline to register to run has already passed in most states. This link includes a page that shows the deadline to register by state, looks like most have already passed. Running a write-in campaign can become rather expensive but then again it's a political party so I don't mind if they spend all their money and go broke. Personally I think we would all be better off if the two political parties just went away.
Deadline to run for president, 2024 - Ballotpedia
So are those rules for state primaries?
Your own link says there is no national deadline to be met for president , I take that as meaning no deadline to be on the ballot after conventions and party nominations have taken place. I'm pretty sure if Biden stays in , and gets the nomination , he will still be on the ballot in NH even though he was never registered to run.
Way I see it it's only after the convention and a nominee is chosen will it be determined whose names go on the general Nov ballot.
If Biden drops out after the deadline to register the DNC would use a system a little like the Democratic Party’s superdelegates, but on steroids. The members of the parties’ national committees would get together to vote for whomever they want. The candidate with the majority of votes from the national party committees — which consist of 350 people for the DNC and 150 people for the RNC — would then become the presidential nominee.
https://www.vox.com/2016/9/12/12887632/if-presidential-nominee-drops-out
100% agree.
I also think it should be, "one person one vote". No more electoral college crap.
Won't see the EC going away any time soon, even with the national popular vote compct initiative.
It would take a constitutional amendment to get rid of or change, and I don't see that happening in today's political climate.
Nope, I don't see it going away either, but it's a better electoral system in my opinion.
Well I am of the opinion that doing away with winner takes all in the states is better.
Under that system the side that gets the least votes gets automatically disenfranchised. So those votes don't count.
Under the systems used by Maine and Nebraska a states delegates to the EC are related more like how the people voted.
States are who get to decide on if they are winner take all or apportion the delegates by how all the people voted in the state.
There will always be issues with how votes are counted or even if they count at all.
I think popular vote compact would be viewed as unconstitutional,right at the point when a candidate that wins the popular vote isn't the one that the majority of the state voted for, thankfully not enough states have signed on to that little gem of legislative thinking and it can't be implemented until it has enough states to total 270 EC votes.
Absolutely!! That is my main proposal to substantially improve the system without a major change.
My second change is to do away with human electors. They serve no purpose in modern times.
In all, I support a system where each congressional district's popular winner is an electoral vote for the winner. The popular winner for the state gains the two electoral votes corresponding to the senators.
We would have a much more accurate system, retain the constitutional recognition of statehood, and eliminate the need to educate, process, etc. human electors. Instead of an elector, we have a tally in a database.
Especially since states like Colorado and Maine have demonstrated how easy it could be to game the system for partisan purposes by throwing candidates off the ballot.
I would argue Colorado has demonstrated the importance and necessity of the Electoral college.
(grins an evil grin) I would tend to agree that the human electors are not needed for anything really except tradition and ceremony, I actually would enjoy watching electors deliver the results to Congress ceremonially dressed in 1791 attire to include powdered wig and all.
The Co/Me issue will be ruled on by SCOTUS soon enough and I will accept whatever ruling they make.
The other issue they may have to take up on immunity, I do not think is going to go in Trump's favor, but none of the charges faced there carry a disqualification to hold office as far as I have seen, he could be convicted on all counts and still not be disqualified that way.
Now what I can see on the horizon depends on SCOTUS.
It could very well end up as a race to get enough states to equal 270 EC votes to ban trump from the ballot. No point in running if that happens.
The wild card I see then is the Dem candidate also being denied 270 EC votes in the general by third party candidates. Wow 3rd party getting EC votes, historic. And I can see those that usually vote GOP doing just that.
In that case if no candidate gets the needed ec votes, it goes to Congress, specifically the house I believe, and remember, every single member of the house is up for re election this cycle, and it would be the newly elected house that decides , not the old outgoing house.
Can we say this has the potential to turn into a real royal clusterfuck?
Usually things must reach a clusterfuck state before they can improve.
Yes sadly that's true.
I know what I said is extremely far fetched,but it's likely to fall in the realm of possibility,voters are really temperamental when they feel wronged, expect even the absurd, and illogical.
Ild likely do that while pissing on the candidates shoes and complain it's raining.
"Just a wee drop of rain it is....."