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From one of the bastions of progressivism

  

Category:  Op/Ed

By:  vic-eldred  •  2 months ago  •  95 comments

From one of the bastions of progressivism
“Progressivism is out—for now,” the San Francisco Chronicles’ website read in bold letters on Wednesday morning, “Voters make it clear: S.F. can no longer be called a progressive city.”

The people of San Fransisco, whoever they are, have had enough. Last night the voters there overwhelmingly approved a pair of ballot measures that would upend the radical course that once beautiful city by the bay has been subject to. Those measures would expand police powers and require welfare recipients to be screened for drugs. For a long time, Republican critics have tried to tell the crazies who run San Fransisco as well as California's other city officials that the main problem of the homeless population living on the streets is mental illness and drugs. California is home to one third of the nation's homeless population and the state seems proud of it.

Proposition E, which allows police to use surveillance equipment, such as cameras, drones, and even facial-recognition technology without prior permission from a far-left radical oversight body, passed with 59,818 votes, or 59.9 percent of the vote. The new rules also remove a lot of the restrictions on police involving police chases and making extensive police reports.

Proposition F, which mandates that anyone receiving public-assistance benefits be screened for a substance-abuse disorder, passed with 63,295 votes, or 63 percent. Finally, the left will have to admit what it is dealing with. It took decades and incredible suffering by SF residents to get democrat voters to finally vote against an evil ideology.




In other news:

Nikki Haley is expected to drop out of the GOP primary race today.

Senator Kyrsten Sinema, an Arizona Democrat-turned-independent, will not seek re-election. She said that bipartisan compromises were “not what America wants right now.”

A new federal indictment charged Senator Bob Menendez, the New Jersey Democrat, and his wife with obstruction of justice. Please note that his indictment/trial are moving at a normal pace.

Victoria Nuland, the State Department’s third-ranking official and a Russia hawk, is retiring. Hillary Clinton seems to feel the same way about Russia/Russia.

Louisiana’s governor hopes to crack down on crime, including by limiting parole.

A deal to free hostages in return for a six-week pause in the fighting in Gaza is in the hands of Hamas according to Joe Biden.

Donald Trump said that the Israeli military should finish the job in Gaza.

The U.S. airdropped more expensive ready-to-eat meals into Gaza and said it will make more such drops.



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Vic Eldred
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1  author  Vic Eldred    2 months ago

Good morning

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Span and scrambled eggs?

We'll also be following the case that just keeps getting worse: that of Fani Willis.

ATLANTA (AP) — A Georgia commission with powers to  discipline and remove prosecutors  needs only Gov. Brian Kemp’s approval before it can begin operations, possibly disrupting Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis’ prosecution of former President Donald Trump.

The state House voted 97-73 on Tuesday for Senate Bill 332, sending it to Kemp. The Republican governor has said he will sign the measure.

Georgia pushes group to sanction prosecutors as Fani Willis faces removal from Trump case | AP News

 

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2  Jeremy Retired in NC    2 months ago
Proposition F, which mandates that anyone receiving public-assistance benefits be screened for a substance-abuse disorder, passed with 63,295 votes, or 63 percent.

This is something that should be spread across the country.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2    2 months ago

I think everyone's got it.

All it takes is a little leftwing governance.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2.1.1  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1    2 months ago

Doing ONE thing right doesn't mean that they are the example for everything. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.1.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2.1.1    2 months ago

The thousand-mile journey begins with a single step.

This was all stuff that older generations knew. Unfortunately, we have to suffer before we do the right thing.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.1.3  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.2    2 months ago

So profound.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.1.4  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @2.1.3    2 months ago

Thank you.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3  author  Vic Eldred    2 months ago

A gray whale extinct from the Atlantic for more than 200 years was spotted off the New England coast last week in an “incredibly rare event,” the New England Aquarium said.

The whale was spotted 30 miles south of Nantucket on March 1, seen diving and resurfacing, appearing to feed, the aquarium said in a  news release .

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Rare gray whale, extinct in the Atlantic for 200 years, spotted near Nantucket (msn.com)


 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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4  author  Vic Eldred    2 months ago

Joe Biden has devoted much of the past week for rest and practice for his upcoming 40–60-minute State of the Union speech.

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He usually doesn't screw up something like this. I suspect they are giving him something.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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4.1  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Vic Eldred @4    2 months ago
40–60-minute State of the Union speech.

That's a lot of single syllable words.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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4.1.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @4.1    2 months ago

Lol, he should make it.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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4.1.2  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1.1    2 months ago
since the days when it overruled everything decent CA citizens wanted.

I doubt it.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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4.1.3  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @4.1.2    2 months ago

Remember all the propositions that purple California used to vote for, and the 9th Circuit used to overturn?

It was almost routine. A lot of terrible things happened to get that state to the position it is in now,

 
 
 
evilone
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5  evilone    2 months ago
Proposition F, which mandates that anyone receiving public-assistance benefits be screened for a substance-abuse disorder, passed with 63,295 votes, or 63 percent. Finally, the left will have to admit what it is dealing with. 

These have been overturned in the courts every time they come up. It won't stand here either. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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5.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  evilone @5    2 months ago

The Ninth Circuit has changed a bit since the days when it overruled everything decent CA citizens wanted.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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5.1.1  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.1    2 months ago

True.  I think its a matter of how much the politicians cry.

 
 
 
evilone
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5.1.2  evilone  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.1    2 months ago
The Ninth Circuit has changed a bit since the days when it overruled everything decent CA citizens wanted.

So you believe both the 9th AND the SCOTUS will uphold a law presuming people are guilty without due process? If so then I fully expect a slate of new state propositions that will require drug testing for every politician receiving a publicly funded paycheck. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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5.1.3  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  evilone @5.1.2    2 months ago
will uphold a law presuming people are guilty without due process?

That law doesn't do that. Anyone getting public assistance must answer questions and follow rules.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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5.1.4  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @5.1.1    2 months ago

Here is a big part of it:

When President Trump ticks off his accomplishments since taking office, he frequently mentions his aggressive makeover of a key sector of the federal judiciary — the circuit courts of appeal, where he has appointed 51 judges to lifetime jobs in three years.

In few places has the effect been felt more powerfully than in the sprawling 9th Circuit, which covers California and eight other states. Because of Trump’s success in filling vacancies, the San Francisco-based circuit, long dominated by Democratic appointees, has suddenly shifted to the right, with an even more pronounced tilt expected in the years ahead.

Trump has flipped the 9th Circuit — and some new judges are causing a 'shock wave' - Los Angeles Times (latimes.com)

 
 
 
evilone
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5.1.5  evilone  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.1.3    2 months ago
That law doesn't do that.

Drug testing for public benefits hasn't worked in any city/state that's tried to do it before, what make you think it will work now here? 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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5.1.6  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  evilone @5.1.5    2 months ago

Who says so?

 
 
 
Snuffy
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5.1.7  Snuffy  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.1.6    2 months ago
In the past, some states have sought to impose drug testing requirements on all TANF applicants and/or 
recipients. Routinely, these laws have been found unconstitutional under the Fourth Amendment, which 
prohibits unreasonable searches, because the testing has been deemed a search without cause.5 In 1999, 
Michigan became the first state to implement suspicionless drug testing for welfare recipients under its 
Family Independence Program. The state required all TANF applicants to submit urine drug tests to receive 
benefits. In 2003, the U.S. Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals upheld a federal district court ruling which found 
the law unconstitutional.6 In 2011, Florida passed a law requiring suspicionless drug testing of all TANF 
applicants and random drug testing of current beneficiaries. In 2014, the U.S. Eleventh Circuit Court of 
Appeals held that Florida’s law violated the Fourth Amendment for its unreasonable search of applicants 
without evidence of “a more prevalent, unique, or different drug problem among TANF applicants than in 
the general population.”7 

Before the court imposed an injunction in 2011, Florida implemented its rule for four months. During that 
period, the state found only 2.6 percent of more than 4,000 applicants who tested positive for controlled 
substance use. The law required reimbursement of the drug testing fees to those who passed the drug test, 
costing the state $118,140.8 The state spent an additional $307,883 in legal fees and other costs appealing 
the ruling.9 Combined with the settlement amount awarded to the plaintiff, the drug testing law cost Florida 
nearly $1 million.

2019_drug-testing-and-public-_0.pdf (clasp.org)

 
 
 
evilone
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5.1.8  evilone  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.1.6    2 months ago

What do you mean who says so? The courts have consistently said so. You can look up Marchwinski v. Howard to start and I'm sure if you actually do some research you'll find more.

It's also prohibitively expensive and ineffective. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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5.1.9  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Snuffy @5.1.7    2 months ago

Then they shouldn't get benefits. End of story.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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5.1.10  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  evilone @5.1.8    2 months ago

Then they should get nothing. 

 
 
 
evilone
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5.1.11  evilone  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.1.10    2 months ago
Then they should get nothing. 

Who are you talking about? Poor people shouldn't get benefits because one or two people might be doing drugs? Really? That's your take? 

EDIT: Your seeming solution here has historically caused more homelessness and more crime. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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5.1.12  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  evilone @5.1.11    2 months ago

That is my take. Furthermore vagrancy is vagrancy. They shouldn't be allowed to live in city streets nor should the insane be living on the streets.

 
 
 
Snuffy
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5.1.13  Snuffy  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.1.12    2 months ago

Are there no prisons and workhouses?

The point is this has been tried in many states and cities over the years and has failed in all. Records show that the same number of people receiving public benefits vs people who do not receive such benefits are using drugs. How much money should be spent to prevent a few people here? In four months Florida spent over $1 million in such a failed attempt.

We as a people waste a lot of money on these things, it's after all a favorite pastime for politicians to throw money at "things" in order to appear to be doing something. But where does it end? 

 
 
 
evilone
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5.1.14  evilone  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.1.12    2 months ago
They shouldn't be allowed to live in city streets nor should the insane be living on the streets.

Drug testing everyone isn't the solution. Increased housing and mental health facilities & staffing will be but people like you don't want subsidized housing in their neighborhoods either. So what are these people supposed to do? Perhaps they can just bus their problems to Texas... /s

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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5.1.15  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  evilone @5.1.14    2 months ago
Increased housing

That's the thing democrats out there keep emphasizing. It has not worked.

Out here in Boston we have a place called "The Pine Street Inn." It is a shelter for the homeless.

Not only does it keep them off the street, but it has one other benefit. Once someone has been there, they NEVER EVER want to go back.

 
 
 
evilone
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5.1.16  evilone  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.1.15    2 months ago
That's the thing democrats out there keep emphasizing. It has not worked.

You'll have to back up that claim with some data showing where and why it hasn't worked. All the data I'm seeing is the rising cost of rent is the biggest cause of homelessness. 

 
 
 
Thomas
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5.1.17  Thomas  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.1.12    2 months ago

[deleted] We all know that your solution is to put them in a burlap sack and drown them.

Oh, we're not talking about kittens and puppies?

 
 
 
Split Personality
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5.1.18  Split Personality  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.1.12    2 months ago
nor should the insane be living on the streets.

In 1980 Carter signed landmark legislation that had been "in the works" since 1950.

In 1981 Reagan repealed it.  No federal funding. Back to States rights and 50 different ways to fuck up a good thing.

The Patients Bill of rights however was left intact.

So basically no insane people living on the streets can be institutionalized against their will.

States could not afford the funding on their own so

State hospitals like Byberry and Norristown in PA just opened their doors and let the patients roam free.

It varies per state but essentially it's all thanks to Ron.

 
 
 
Snuffy
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5.1.19  Snuffy  replied to  Split Personality @5.1.18    2 months ago
In 1981 Reagan repealed it. 

To be fair, President Kennedy started the process of deinstitutionalization.

In 1955, the Joint Commission on Mental Health and Health was authorized to investigate problems related to the mentally ill. President   John F. Kennedy   had a special interest in the issue of mental health because his sister,   Rosemary , had been   lobotomized   at the age of 23 at the request of her father. [1]   Shortly after his inauguration, Kennedy appointed a special President's Panel of Mental Retardation. [1]   The panel included professionals and leaders of the organization. In 1962, the panel published a report with 112 recommendations to better serve the mentally ill. [1] Deinstitutionalization in the United States - Wikipedia

Following that, several other presidents and congressional committees met to review and recommend on the issue. Additionally there was a lawsuit filed by the ACLU that lead up to the major changes in institutionalizing for mental health reasons.

Coinciding with a movement during the 1970s for rehabilitation of people with severe mental illnesses, the Mental Health Systems Act supported and financed community mental health support systems, which coordinated general health care, mental health care, and social support services. [2]   The law followed the 1978 Report of the President's Commission on Mental Health, which made recommendations for improving mental health care in the United States. While some concerns existed about the methodology followed by the President's Committee, the report served as the foundation for the MHSA, which in turn was seen as landmark legislation in U.S. mental health policy. [3]

The Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1981, passed by a Democratic-controlled House of Representatives and a Republican-controlled Senate, and signed by President   Ronald Reagan   on August   13, 1981, repealed most of the Mental Health Systems Act. The   Patients' Bill of Rights , section 501, was not repealed; per Congressional record, the Congress felt that state provisions were sufficient and section 501 served as a recommendation to states to review and refine existing policies. [4]

Mental Health Systems Act of 1980 - Wikipedia

Like they say, context matters.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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5.1.20  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Split Personality @5.1.18    2 months ago

"Deinstitutionalization as a policy for state hospitals began in the period of the civil rights movement when many groups were being incorporated into mainstream society. Three forces drove the movement of people with severe mental illness from hospitals into the community : the belief that mental hospitals were cruel and inhumane; the hope that new antipsychotic medications offered a cure; and the desire to save money ."

"Over time, several court cases have further defined the legal requirements for admission to or retention in a hospital setting. In Lake v. Cameron, a 1966 D.C. Court of Appeals case, the concept of “least restrictive setting” was introduced , requiring hospitals to discharge patients to an environment less restrictive than a hospital if at all possible. In the 1975 case of O’Connor v. Donaldson, the U.S. Supreme Court declared that a person had to be a danger to him- or herself or to others for confinement to be constitutional . The 1999 U.S. Supreme Court decision in Olmstead v. L.C. stated that mental illness was a disability and covered under the Americans with Disabilities Act. All governmental agencies, not just the state hospitals, were be required thereafter to make “reasonable accommodations” to move people with mental illness into community-based treatment to end unnecessary institutionalization."

"Perhaps the most important change in federal law was the introduction of Medicaid , which shifted funding for people with SMI in state hospitals from the states’ responsibility to a shared partnership with the federal government [17]. This created an incentive for states to close the facilities they funded on their own and move patients into community hospitals and nursing homes partially paid for by Medicaid and the federal government."

https://journalofethics.ama-assn.org/article/deinstitutionalization-people-mental-illness-causes-and-consequences/2013-10\

And who can forget One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest?

 
 
 
George
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5.1.21  George  replied to  Split Personality @5.1.18    2 months ago
In 1981 Reagan repealed it

That's hysterical, the president can't repeal a law. the democrat controlled house introduced a bill.

H.R.3982 - Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1981 

that was entered and sponsored by democrat James Jones, where it passed by a bipartisan vote of 232-193, it then went to the Senate where it passed 80-14 and yet it is Reagans fault.  This is partisanship at it's finest.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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5.1.22  Split Personality  replied to  Snuffy @5.1.19    2 months ago
Like they say, context matters.

Did you deliberately skip the first paragraph?

The  Mental Health Systems Act of 1980  ( MHSA ) was  United States  legislation signed by President  Jimmy Carter  which provided grants to community mental health centers. In 1981 President  Ronald Reagan , who had made major efforts during his Governorship to reduce funding and enlistment for California mental institutions, pushed a political effort through the Democratically controlled House of Representatives and a Republican controlled Senate to repeal most of MHSA. [1]  The MHSA was considered landmark legislation in mental health care policy.
 
 
 
Split Personality
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5.1.23  Split Personality  replied to  George @5.1.21    2 months ago

just so you have some context there George.

The  Mental Health Systems Act of 1980  ( MHSA ) was  United States  legislation signed by President  Jimmy Carter  which provided grants to community mental health centers. In 1981 President  Ronald Reagan , who had made major efforts during his Governorship to reduce funding and enlistment for California mental institutions, pushed a political effort through the Democratically controlled House of Representatives and a Republican controlled Senate to repeal most of MHSA. [1]  The MHSA was considered landmark legislation in mental health care policy. Mental Health Systems Act of 1980 - Wikipedia

and there's always that sketchy part where the POTUS signed it willingly, he owned it.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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5.1.24  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Split Personality @5.1.23    2 months ago

Surprisingly Bill Clinton did restore when we were flush with money in the tech bubble and knowing the impacts now, why wasn’t it part of Biden’s infrastructure bill?

Apparently, the mentally ill and homeless aren’t reliable voters.

 
 
 
George
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5.1.25  George  replied to  Split Personality @5.1.23    2 months ago

This is why nobody takes liberals seriously, they mindlessly bleat that Biden can't get anything done with the mean old republicans blocking him, and then follow it with Reagan passed a bill through a democrat controlled house, and then the Senate, without a super majority, and not one democrat filibustered it, in fact it got 80 fucking votes and it is still Reagans fault, and the stupid fuckers say he was senile to boot, how retarded does that make the democrats in the house and Senate at the time?

 
 
 
Tessylo
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5.1.26  Tessylo  replied to  evilone @5.1.5    2 months ago

It won't.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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5.1.27  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.1.9    2 months ago

It doesn't work that way.  Period.  End of sentence.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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5.1.28  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.1.10    2 months ago

It doesn't work that way.  End of story.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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5.1.29  Texan1211  replied to  George @5.1.25    2 months ago

Excellent points.

To hear Democrats tell it, they can't do anything while in the majority because the mean old GOP blocks them. and when in the minority, Dens are just powerless to stop that very sane GOP from running roughshod over them.

Why would anyone vote for such idiots?

 
 
 
Split Personality
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5.1.30  Split Personality  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @5.1.20    2 months ago
And who can forget One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest?

Awesome movie!

But Still....

How Reagan’s Decision to Close Mental Institutions Led to the Homelessness Crisis (obrag.org)

and a longer overview without much politics about how the deinstitutionalizing process

simply put most of these people into the prison population.

The Truth About Deinstitutionalization - The Atlantic

 

 
 
 
Tessylo
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5.1.31  Tessylo  replied to  Split Personality @5.1.18    2 months ago

Wasn't that the start of the alleged compassionate conservatives?  Dump all the insane on the streets.  How compassionate.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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5.1.32  Tessylo  replied to  Split Personality @5.1.30    2 months ago

Thanks for the truth of the matter SP.  See how the endless defense of the indefensible is never ending.

 
 
 
George
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5.1.33  George  replied to  Texan1211 @5.1.29    2 months ago

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Sean Treacy
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5.1.34  Sean Treacy  replied to  Snuffy @5.1.19    2 months ago
Like they say, context matters.

Yes, if you actually look at data, almost all of the deinstitualization occurred between 1955 and 1980.  The  institutionalization rate per 100,000 dropped from about 300 people at its peak  in the 1950s to about 70 by the time Reagan took office. There was a much more  gradual decrease through the Reagan/Bush/Clinton years. The idea that Reagan is somehow to blame for what happened before he took office is just silly. 

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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5.1.35  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Split Personality @5.1.30    2 months ago

I think the AMA analysis that I provided is a bit less biased than yours.

Wouldn’t it be wonderful if complex problems could be made so simple that one man could create the problem and then one man could just as easily fix it.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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5.1.36  Split Personality  replied to  George @5.1.25    2 months ago

This why it's hard to take certain individuals here seriously.

They mindlessly compare certain periods of history to current affairs.

Back in the day when Tip O'Neil was the Speaker, compromise and respect were the name of the game.

Differences of opinion were left on the House floor and everyone went to the same bars afterwork to "unwind".

That all died with Newt.

and the stupid fuckers say he was senile to boot, how retarded does that make the democrats in the house and Senate at the time?

Well the "stupid fuckers" who said that were complaining about his gaffes in 1987 and later; he wasn't diagnosed with Alzheimers until 1994,

so it doesn't have a thing to do with how retarded Congress was in 1981.

I hope that helps put the timeline in perspective.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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5.1.37  Split Personality  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @5.1.35    2 months ago

The AMA makes everything bland and alienates no one, lol.

Good bed time reading...

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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5.1.38  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Split Personality @5.1.37    2 months ago

Maybe Biden will fix this in his second term.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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5.1.39  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Split Personality @5.1.36    2 months ago
They mindlessly compare certain periods of history to current affairs.

Exactly, but please don’t another 1619 project argument.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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5.1.40  Texan1211  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @5.1.38    2 months ago

Don't you love how old time Republicans are almost revered by today's Democrats?

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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5.1.41  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Split Personality @5.1.36    2 months ago
Well the "stupid fuckers" who said that were complaining about his gaffes in 1987 and later; he wasn't diagnosed with Alzheimers until 1994,

Maybe the lesson unlearned is that we take significant risk electing presidents that will be 77 or older when their term ends.

 
 
 
George
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5.1.42  George  replied to  Split Personality @5.1.36    2 months ago

Again, overwhelming support from democrats, introduced by a democrat and liberals still blame republicans, hence that is why democrats are the party of no personal responsibility.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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5.1.43  Split Personality  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @5.1.39    2 months ago

One has to wonder what Reagan promised those 80 Dems who voted to repeal the MHSA ,

most of whom had voted for the MHSA only a year earlier.

Oh the good old days of swapping votes and compromising...

 
 
 
Texan1211
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5.1.44  Texan1211  replied to  George @5.1.42    2 months ago

it only matters who has the majority in Congress when a Republican is President.

Convenient, no?

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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5.1.45  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Texan1211 @5.1.40    2 months ago

Yes, Obama frequently invoked Reagan and called him one of our few"transformational" presidents.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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5.1.46  Texan1211  replied to  Split Personality @5.1.43    2 months ago

kind of went out the window when Dems renigged on border security after getting amnesty for illegal aliens.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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5.1.47  Split Personality  replied to  George @5.1.42    2 months ago
Again, overwhelming support from democrats, 

?

The Senate was 53 (R) to 47 (D) one Independent

There were 272 Democrats in the House with 158 Republicans

Regan needed 58 Dems to cross over in a period of time where this was routine.

The MHSA repeal was included in the Omnibus Spending Bill.

192 Dems voted against the Omnibus Bill probably for 192 different reasons.

80 For

192 opposed

That is not overwhelming support.

 introduced by a democrat

At the time it was OK to be a conservative Democrat or even a liberal Republican.

They just weren't into this rabid partisanship we see and hear every day.

 
 
 
George
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5.1.48  George  replied to  Split Personality @5.1.47    2 months ago

A minimum of 37 of the 47 democrats in the senate voted for it, that is overwhelming support for a democrat introduced bill.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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5.1.49  Split Personality  replied to  George @5.1.48    2 months ago

Were they liberals, conservatives or just plain patriots voting for the annual funding bill?

 
 
 
Tessylo
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5.1.50  Tessylo  replied to  evilone @5.1.2    2 months ago

It's ludicrous to suggest drug testing for all welfare recipients - it is cost prohibitive and not legal and it's been tried and shot down.

 
 
 
George
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5.1.51  George  replied to  Split Personality @5.1.49    2 months ago

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Tessylo
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5.1.52  Tessylo  replied to  Split Personality @5.1.36    2 months ago

At least some folks aren't referring to him as joetard or Brandon now - jrSmiley_80_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
5.1.53  Tessylo  replied to  Split Personality @5.1.36    2 months ago

Mindless . . . you hit that nail on the head.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
5.1.54  Tessylo  replied to  Split Personality @5.1.36    2 months ago

Good old Newt - banging his mistress while his wife is dying of cancer.  That scumbag started it all, you're so right SP.  Good old hypocrites of the gop - do as I say - not as I do.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
5.1.55  Tessylo  replied to  Split Personality @5.1.36    2 months ago

Isn't it so mature to refer to folks as retarded or joetard or Brandon?

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Texan1211
Professor Principal
5.1.56  Texan1211  replied to  Tessylo @5.1.55    2 months ago

Almost like referring to Trump as Trumptard!

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Guide
5.1.57  Split Personality  replied to  Texan1211 @5.1.46    2 months ago

That is an old partisan trope.

True, Reagan tried for a wall for 8 years but Congress balked at the prices.

Bush & Clinton both tried to fix immigration. Congress provided E-Verify in 1997 but  26 years later only a handful of states use it, while others use it only for federal or state jobs.

24 of the past 43 years have been Republican Administrations but partisans always blame the Dems?

The system is broken because there is no legal path for any immigrant seeking asylum

and the visa system only caters to those that can afford it.  Meanwhile we need non skilled laborers.

Came close to a good solution a couple of weeks ago but politics by the GoP killed their own baby.

But the Dems...!!! /s

 

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
5.1.58  Texan1211  replied to  Split Personality @5.1.57    2 months ago

Nice spin............but I ain't gullible enough to buy it.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
5.1.59  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Texan1211 @5.1.56    2 months ago

Bingo!

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
5.2  Tessylo  replied to  evilone @5    2 months ago

You are correct sir!

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
6  Sean Treacy    2 months ago

Reality is starting to set in after they managed to destroy San francisco. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
6.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Sean Treacy @6    2 months ago

Maybe we can bring it all the way back. Then they may recover Tony Bennett's heart.

 
 
 
George
Junior Expert
6.1.1  George  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1    2 months ago

He probably wouldn't want it back, someone has probably shit on it by now in SF.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
6.1.2  Tessylo  replied to  George @6.1.1    2 months ago

So classy!

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
7  JohnRussell    2 months ago
The U.S. airdropped more expensive ready-to-eat meals into Gaza and said it will make more such drops.

Let them eat bombs, right ?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
7.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @7    2 months ago

Let them act like human beings first.

 
 
 
Thomas
Senior Guide
7.1.1  Thomas  replied to  Vic Eldred @7.1    2 months ago

They bleed and die like everyone. Isn't that Human enough for you?

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
7.2  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @7    2 months ago
Let them eat bombs, right ?

How about exchanging hostages for food?

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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7.3  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JohnRussell @7    2 months ago

How about a Hamas surrender.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
7.3.1  Texan1211  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @7.3    2 months ago

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Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
7.4  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @7    2 months ago

Would you have supported air drops to the starving Germans in World War I or 2?

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
7.4.1  Texan1211  replied to  Sean Treacy @7.4    2 months ago

Great question.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
7.4.2  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @7.4    2 months ago

Did we know they were starving ?

The United states is currently trying to negotiate not only an end to the war in Gaza but a solution for the peace including a two state solution .  obviously the United States government does not consider everyday Gazans to be our enemy.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
7.4.3  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @7.4.2    2 months ago

The terrorists do NOT want a two state solution.

And I don't know why anyone would ever pretend they do.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Expert
7.4.4  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JohnRussell @7.4.2    2 months ago
obviously the United States government does not consider everyday Gazans to be our enemy.

But they do consider those who support terrorists to be enemies.  Now, the people of Gaza put Hamas in the position they are in.  They stood idly by while Hamas carried out their terrorist act.  Do you also forget that the people of Gaza cheered when the towers fell on 9-11?  Of course you did.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
7.4.5  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @7.4.2    2 months ago
Did we know they were starving ?

Yes, that was the point. To weaken the will/ability to resist and shorten the war. It may have essentially won WW1 as the German home front collapsed before their armies.

es is currently trying to negotiate not only an end to the war in Gaza but a solution for the peace including a two state soluti

So you believe the appropriate role of the US after Hamas breaks a cease fire and slaughters/rapes/mutilates civilians is to supply Hamas with food that it gives to Gazans at it's' discretion, restrain Israeli tactics and ensure as many Israeli soldiers die as possible fighting terrorists and reward Hamas with its own state for its efforts. 

Could Hamas realistically ask for more for more from Joe Biden?   He's been an amazing friend. 

nt does not consider everyday Gazans to be our enemy.

In what war have we ever believed that to be true? 

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Junior Expert
7.4.6  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Texan1211 @7.4.3    2 months ago

If there was a two state solution, the Palestinians seem to have any one the knows how to govern, they know how to terrorize and how to steal from their people.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
7.5  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @7    2 months ago
Let them eat bombs, right ?

"Let them free the hostages" would be the correct thing to say.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Junior Expert
8  Drinker of the Wry    2 months ago

Here in the nations capital this week, in response months of intense outcry from residents and businesses over last year’s historic crime spike, the Wash DC Council passed a massive public safety package.

The legislation makes it easier keep adults and certain juveniles charged with violent offenses detained while they await trial; expands the definition of carjacking to make prosecution easier;  recognizes as a felony for “organized retail theft,”  creates temporary drug-free zones after residents demanded attention to drug-related loitering and establishes harsher penalties for a wide range of crimes.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Junior Expert
9  Drinker of the Wry    2 months ago
The people of San Francisco, whoever they are, have had enough. Last night the voters there  overwhelmingly approved a pair of ballot measures that would upend the radical course that once beautiful city by the bay has been subject to.

If you're going to San Francisco
Be sure to wear some flowers in your hair
If you're going to San Francisco
You're gonna meet some gentle people there

The gentle people there are learning how expensive a progressive city can be.

The sink hole city on the bay released it's 2022 Financial last January (a little late).  They discovered that the city owes more than it owns, creating a $2.4B hole or $8,800 per tax payer.  

 Progressive states have hit debt load as well.  California most recent projection for 2024-25 has risen to $73 billion in the red.  This doesn't include long-term debt.

The gentle people need some of that debt forgiveness that some students are getting. 

 
 

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