The Roadrunner wins again!
"It is ordered that the motion is granted to the extent of staying enforcement of those portions of the Judgment (1) ordering disgorgement to the Attorney General of $464,576,230.62, conditioned on defendants-appellants posting, within ten (10) days of the date of this order, an undertaking in the amount of $175 million dollars," the two-page order said.
An Appeals Court finally said ENOUGH!
A New York appellate court has ruled that former President Donald Trump can post a lower bond to cover his $464 million civil fraud judgment .
The Appellate Division, First Department said Trump can post a bond "in the amount of $175 million" to cover the judgment.
As Donald Trump said, something like this should never happen again!
Court rules Trump can post lower bond of $175M to cover his fraud judgment (msn.com)
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I'm with Jonathan Turley: It should have been reduced to zero.
Congrats to President Trump
Where are the lowlife cowards?
Where is Letitia?
Where are they?
You know they are all in panic mode.
Did they really think that American law works that way?
And two prosecutors taunting a former President on x.
They problem is they don't think.
James and Bragg both deserve to be disbarred for blatant misconduct!
So you feel that Trump should be treated differently from other fraud cases? He should receive special treatment?
Go to those who are lurking and tell them to get a spine and face up to the lawfare shit.
yes
It's not like he has 175M lying around anyway
I think the Bernie Madoff defrauded $65B and had a $10M bond.
So much for fining somebody to the ridiculous sum of half a billion dollars in a half ass civil case, especially someone whose assets were in real estate, and was targeted by the DA when she was running for office.
So, the closest thing was somebody who ran a Ponzi scam and defrauded investors and was a real flight risk.
That says it all.
Talk about circular reasoning. He has been given an opening to continue is pursuit of. . . whatever. . . the court has spoken. Good for him (for now).
... trump, ... trump, ... trump...
Good for our system of justice for a damn change.
Trump still needs to win his appeal; but at least now he is going to get a chance at the appeal.
$175 is still a ridiculous amount to put up; and Trump should seek damages from New York on interest, legal costs, and damage to his businesses should he win on appeal.
TDS, TDS, TDS.
What Ponzi scam did Trump run?
trump probably can't raise or get a bond for that amount either...
even the most gullible of his sucker supporters aren't sending him any more money ...
I'm watching the king of morons create even more legal problems for himself on TV now...
luckily, the network cut the audio so he can't recite all the incidents of his victimization...
And so we are in a(nother) holding pattern. . . for a Trump court proceeding to be held down the way. . . . For an 'news junkie' like myself. . . cable news has been ruined and even become "toxified" as Trump dominates my news "feeds."
One more thing. I think cable news channels, at this point, should severely limit talking heads who clearly are not up to date on what court decision-making is in these types of issues, cases, and other situations. As it stands. . . they are 'losing' on court speculating more often than not!
Cable news can do better with the money being shelled out on these case by case news pundits.
That is exactly what James was afraid would happen and tried everything she could think of to prevent it.
He was treated differently, by being burdened with an excessive fine and bonding requirement.
The appellate court injected some sober reality into the proceedings
The Appeals Court's logic appears to be that an individual should not have to pay this large amount BEFORE being heard if it causes them to become destitute in the doing so (have to hold a 'fire sale'). That reasoning is sound. Also, it is properly within the realm of the Appeals Court to make about those seeking to come to ITSELF.
Trump has not won victory over the case/judgement. It simply means he will be given a 175 million dollars "entry" into the Appeals Court door to be heard and a decision for or against him. Once he puts up the new amount.
That is reasonable. Moreover, it is something only the Appeals Court could do for him. Not the trial judge.
He claims to have 500 million laying around.
Trump says he has nearly $500 million in cash but doesn’t want to use it to pay New York judgment
The best you can do is a whataboutism..... Sad...
That's Trump's problem, not the DA's. If he can't pay the fine he shouldn't have done the crime.
It's still not a fine. It is the judgement against him. He LOST the case, now he has to put up the judgement during his appeal.
You asked the question, “So you feel that Trump should be treated differently from other fraud cases?” Pathetic…
Your deflection doesn't even address my statement or question. Madoff paid the bond that the judge required, Trump whined and cried about it to get the bond smaller all the time claiming that he DID have the money but didn't want to spend it.
Bernie's bond was for pretrial. He went to prison afterwards!
Trump's bond is to appeal his civil judgement, not criminal...
It Trump was being treated equally he would be in a prison.
Of course it does.
Yes, much easier after defrauding in the billions to post a $10M bond than defrauding $100M and having to post a bond of $464M a r $175M. The scale is completely different.
Step 2 will be the decision being overturned. Stay tuned.
Step 2 will actually be the judge revoking the smaller bond amount on the basis that Trump stated that he DID have enough cash on hand.
I remember when the Madoff case happened. That scumbag didn't just defraud corporations and individuals but he stole their money and he defrauded important CHARITIES and deserved to go to jail, but the precedent of the ratio of his bond should have been imposed on Trump. The fact that no individual lost money from Trump's fraud makes it plain that the necessity of such a massive bond made the accusation of it being a political maneuver blatantly suspect. I'm no Trump supporter, but believe that justice should be fair and equal for all.
Too bad none of this whataboutism 'analysis' to get Trump out of his legal quagmire is applied to Biden where there is rancor and supposing of his guilt (without evidence or a case).
That said, court cases are not weighed against other court cases. Especially when one results in civil judgement and the other in arrest/imprisonment. Trump suffered neither of the latter indignities to this date. Bernie Madoff died in prison (2009-2021 deceased.)
A compassionate release was asked for on Bernie's behalf in 2020 due to the pandemic, and it was denied.
No similarities to Trump's ordeal.
What do you recommend applying to Biden?
Exactly, each case is different.
If Trump would just follow suit and die like a Bernie.
Yes, an actual fraud case where people lost actual money.
Biden, at the least, should be CHARGED with something before he has his FREEDOM to a presumption of innocence stricken. I would think so.
I have no idea what you mean.
1. There were no victims
This is very important to Mr Trump. He believes there should be no case because "there was no crime".
"No bank was affected. No bank was hurt," he said moments before the start of the trial, noting that all his loans were paid back on time.
Under this New York statute , however, the attorney general did not have to show that there were victims, only that Mr Trump committed ongoing fraud.
MAGAs ought to file a charge. . .in court or in congress before they move to conclusion of Biden's GUILT. Hope that is clear.
Not at all.
This foolishness ends here and now. The END.
You can end the foolishness whenever you like:
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Again, there you are with that consistent dismissal of 'everything' for negativity sake!
No worries, the collective here is protecting the narrative. At least it will win here. The ballot box will be a different story
So many words about nothing at this point. I'm out.
Buh bye now ….
BEEP-BEEP
You bet!
Bingo!
IT SUCKS BEING THEM!
The others are hiding today!
You always imagine that someone is hiding from you. it's cute
I was imagining it. I know some were lurking.
I expect Trump will now say this is complete exoneration. He's almost as dumb as his followers.
As opposed to a POS democrat?
Yes he is dumb and probably is guilty of a lot, but the fact is that there was absolutely no chance on this Earth he was ever going to get anything close to a fair chance with James and you know it. The problem with many hard core leftist liberal anti Trump campers seems to be that any ends justify the means.
The lower court decision yet stands. The Appeals court has given a temporary reprieve. . . and who knows may be a future victory to Trump. For consistency sake, I support the Appeals court decision. (I did not understand how New York could do this or any other 'largesse' amount just to go to Appeals anyway.) It is what it is. So be it.
The next thing that will happen is the appeals court will overturn the decision. Stay tuned.
You and that special crystal ball of yours are at it again, I see.
We now know how the Monday mystery would be resolved. It would appear that Trump lied about having $500 million in cash. (shock) Given he has 10 days to raise the $175 million, it seems he does not even have that level of cash. Not surprising that Trump engaged in absurd lies, but what was Trump thinking when he posted that counterproductive lie?
We just learned that a Court somewhere had to say enough with the lawfare.
Why did you reply to my comment if you are not going to address it in any way?
Any thoughts on why Trump would make such an outrageous, counterproductive lie on Friday about his $500 million cash on hand that he has earmarked to pay for his campaign (yet he has spent a net of $0 on his prior campaigns)?
The reason for my reply was to try and appeal to your conscience.
I couldn't care less what Trump said. How do you justify that ridiculous fine or even the judgement itself?
I did not set the fine. I did not attend the trial and see the evidence or hear the arguments.
Further, as I have told you repeatedly, I care little about the private citizen Trump trials. I care about holding Trump accountable for his behavior while PotUS.
Donald Trump will get justice if it is due, I hope. It is clear that he demands it. . .now we just have to continue to watch him drag an anchor through the legal system for what wins he can. It is what it is.
You have one bullet left. That is now likely to be the only case going to trial before the election on April 15th.
The case which Alvin Bragg is trying to twist into a "campaign finance violation." Do you know any of the specifics on that one?
I'll provide the facts tomorrow.
"You"? Not "we"? You do not care about holding Trump accountable for his wrongdoings as PotUS?
I'm going through Bragg's entire case tomorrow.
The cases that matter are those related to Trump's attempt to steal the election through fraud, coercion, lying, and incitement. These are the cases that hold Trump accountable and, if found guilty, will help reverse the terrible precedent he set as PotUS.
don't forget to add michael cohen's indictment, the guy that did time, and feel free to use trump's name instead of co-conspirator number 1.
No, he does not. This is straight-up MAGAs concentrated bull.
Medical bulletin alert!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MAGA mouthpiece Jonathan Turley underwent emergency surgery today to have his lips pried from Donald Trump's ass. The happy couple is said to be resting comfortably in a Mara-lago VIP suite.
That's it?
John, the radicals just got their ass handed to them. The rest of the country was wondering how long that shit was going to fly. I'm sure they hated doing it, but the damned court finally stood up for a tiny bit of integrity.
Please don't ever mention integrity in the same context as anything to do with Donald Trump. It's lunchtime and we don't need millions of people throwing up all across America.
Let's face it John, you said it yourself, you don't care how they get him.
of fer fuck's sake! That man has no integrity
I don't think he should be charged with something that he didn't do, but yes other than that I don't care how they get him.
Donald Trump has been committing business fraud his entire life. Up until the last couple years he has been able to skate.
So, we won't hear you giving any more lectures on integrity.
I'm prevented from communicating with you.
I just said that they shouldn't charge him for something he didn't do
So what the hell are you talking about ?
not anymore
there's no "locked" under my name or yours
Other than being a candidate for President, what the hell did he do?
Trump defenders are delusional.
Or "conscience" as mentioned in 4.1.2. It was so out of place coming from MAGAs who show no conscience for what they do and plan to do to others. It's all Me. Me. Me. With MAGAs.
Not as delusional as those "Get Trump at all costs" TDS who no longer care about the Constitution or rule of law.
Ones who think the Hur report exonerated Brandon; just like they did with the Comey report on Hillary.
Either the law applies equally to everyone or no one.
Seems the appeals judges finally saw that. The amount Trump has to put up is still ridiculous by any standards; but he at least stands a chance now of getting a bond- or raising it himself.
Maybe one day everyone will be able to get get equal application under the law. Not that Democrats and leftists won't fight that every step of the way.
Uh hu... Trump Devotion Syndrome. Got it.
CDS!!!!!
Is that irony or stupidity?
'Defend Trump no matter what' is what has allowed Trump to become the presumptive nominee. A profound failure of logic and ethics by all those who participated (and continue to do so).
You really can't handle the whole list.
Just starting from when he was president we have a whole shitload of obstruction of justice.
Poor, frustrated, myopic MAGA can't see beyond their own navel's lint.
Is CDS taunting like TDS has become? Inquiring minds want to know how that one gets justified here on NTers.
I said pretty much the same in post #3.1.4 above.
That's not where they had to be removed from - they were wrapped around something much, much, much, much, much, much smaller that the former 'president's' massive ass.
There is a positive lesson here: Ordinary rank and file citizens need better representation in court. Cost should not be the factor that gets the 'average joe' better court processes. Trump is proving this single point loud and clear.
Yes, Trump is being treated so much better than an average US citizen./S
That is not what I suggested. However, ordinary rank and file citizens as a whole do not get the 'benefit' of all this that this man is getting through better lawyering! It's plainly observable and thus, something is wrong with this picture (for the 'average joes').
Complete and utter BS.
Ordinary rank and file would never be treated like that unless they were a Jan 6th rioter; or a parent that had the temerity to question what their kids were being taught in public schools; or were a member of the Trump family, friend, or legal team.
Just ask the vey large number of Summer of Love not so peaceful protestors that destroyed federal property and attacked federal officers and were never charged. Guess it pays to be a leftist committing a federal, state, or local crime in a bastion of Democrat stupidity run city/state.
You've clearly got a million or so ways to miss the point! And that is complete and utter BS. How you spun this away from a positive into the 'ground' is astounding but oh so familiar.
He’s not the one missing the point.
Yes, you consistently miss the point in favor of spouting too much propaganda in small 'bursts.'
Excellent deployment of the PeeWee Herman “I know you are but what am I?” gambit. Top notch!
Trump's conviction wasn't overturned. His bond was reduced...
The conviction will likely be overturned also.
Given the nature of how it come about, a judge with common sense would overturn the verdict.
There was no conviction. But why let facts get in the way.
Well, find a court and make the case for it. Ta-da! Issue resolved. "Don't just get mad; Take 'em to court!"
That is the job of Garland, Weiss, Hur (who pulled a massive Comey), and the DOJ. All of which whom seem to have forgotten that their role is to represent the American people against criminals like Hunter and Brandon.
Speaking of Weiss could one of you leftists find the rock he crawled back under and drag his ass back out? The coward still hasn't set a court date to Hunter's gun charges; nor filed charges on his tax evasion. The little weasel has already let the statute of limitations on the most serious of Hunter's tax charges. After seven years of him slow walking and obstructing the investigation isn't it about time Hunter actually was in court for a real trial- and not just to sign some sweet heart plea deal that would have granted him complete immunity?
It isn't like a grand jury hasn't already indicted Hunter over 1 year ago.
So why hasn't Weiss moved it to court already? It sure as hell didn't take Smith, and those Democrat DA/AG's this damn long to file charges against Trump and the Jan 6th rioters. Hunter's investigation started in 2018. 6 damn years and counting and nothing to show for for it.
Guess Weiss and Garland only have 8 more months to run out the clock on before Brandon will be free to pardon Hunter. Once the election is over Brandon will have nothing to lose by doing so. Either he will reelected and a lame duck who doesn't care about his image; or he will be preparing to close up shop and have nothing to lose.
"Find a court"? That indicates that any "charges" don't have the merit to stand on their own (no surprise there) and you have to find a TDS driven court to even remotely move ahead (again, no surprise there).
There were some sour faces seen in the city this morning:
Getting your fantasy slapped down will have that effect.
No comment necessary. Get a lawyer; pay him or her; go to court. Be heard!
Do elaborate. That did not register at all.
MAGA takes after its leader; personal attack! She does not look that sour to me.
It's in plain English. Not my problem if you don't understand it.
She has been in court smirking for weeks. That smirk has been wiped off her face.
Whatever. It's not my problem either so I will ignore it.
"Smirking" is your perception of her. Just like you are inclined to 'remove' from her what you wish to see. As you can see in the photo she has high cheekbones and so she appears to be smiling moreso than some others naturally. You are intent on "dirtying" up Ms. James for doing the people of the State of New York business for which a judge has joined and approved Ms. James work. As to dealing with the appeals court decision, Ms. James has no choice but to accept it-even as the lower court judge must. That is, for now, it is what it is. She will see about it all in 'Appeals' this fall.
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The End.
Great song …. Love The Doors.
Robby Krieger did some great slide guitar work on that early Door's song.
The killer awoke before dawn
He put his boots on
He took a face from the ancient gallery
And he walked on down the hall
Good!
How many people can say they have listened the long version of "Light My Fire" in the back of a LC-130 at 30,000 feet flying above the Transantarctic Mountains from the Ammundsen-Scott South Pole Station enroute to McMurdo Station, Antarctica on New Years Eve. I did that in 1987. That was definitely a once in a lifetime experience. I also love the Doors!
I wish that I could, lasting memories.
They put it over on Ed Sullivan.
lol …. Not me. Awesome!