New York v Trump
Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg will likely be the only prosecutor to take Trump to trial before the election. Believe it or not, he is using what some here listed as the least likely case to try and hang a conviction on Donald Trump before the election. The trial date is now set at April 15.
The facts of the case:
1) The only crime that has been discussed in this case is an unprecedented attempt to revive a misdemeanor for falsifying business documents that expired years ago.
2) Many believe that Bragg may attempt to “bootstrap” the misdemeanor into a felony (and longer statute of limitations) by alleging an effort to evade federal election charges and that is why he has played his cards so close to the vest.
3) The DOJ declined to prosecute the federal election claim against Trump.
4) The precedent for this type of case was when the DOJ went after former Democratic presidential candidate John Edwards on even stronger grounds than Bragg is using against Trump and the DOJ had its head handed to it.
5) Non-disclosure agreements are fairly common even for political candidates. In this case Bragg has set a bar for himself by trying to prove that Donald Trump only did this because of the upcoming election. In other words, the misdemeanor was committed to conceal a federal election law violation.
6) There are supposedly 34 counts of business record falsification. (Are they different or just multiplied?)
The background of the case:
Bragg's predecessor Cyrus Vance Jr began investigating Trump in 2019. Bragg worked with him. They thought they had stumbled upon a gold mine when all of Trump's business records were turned over to them, but after going through the material the effort was abandoned. At that point two prosecutors, Carey R. Dunne and Mark F. Pomerantz, resigned from the Manhattan DA's office. Pomerantz then did something that was viewed by many in law enforcement as highly unprofessional and improper. He published a book on the case against Trump. Trump being someone who was still under investigation and not charged, let alone convicted, of any crime. That seemed to have been what lit the fire under the radical DA Bragg.
What are Bragg's chances?
I am certain that Alvin Bragg is betting that a NY jury won't read any further than the name of the accused.
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It is judgement day, but not for Trump.
It is American justice that will be judged.
business fraud used to hide a federal crime. NY now needs a law to forbid secret service agents from working inside prisons.
Bragg is a federal prosecutor? No he is a DA for the Manhattan district.
The DOJ declined to charge Trump.
Bragg has no damn standing.
Democrats don't give a shit about rule of law. They will do anything to get Trump; and protect anyone with the all coveted D behind their names.
Bragg does have standing. Whether he can prove his case or not remains to be seen.
Right wing populists don't give a shit about the rule of law. They will do anything to excuse Trump and protect anyone that spouts the MAGA cult mantra.
It requires a good deal of imagination.
You were given the chance to discuss the merits.
Evidently none of you can.
No. It only requires copies of the accounting.
Wrong again. It requires proof of INTENT
First, link to the NY State law supporting your argument of requirement of intent. Second, noting a potentially illegal payment as something else in the accounting is the definition of intent.
Didn't you read the article?
Don't you know anything about this case?
It only works for Bragg if he can prove that the non-disclosure agreement was because of the election, not for the myriad of other things that it could involve like public embarrassment or jeopardizing a marriage. To get to the federal election violation he has to prove the money was used to win an election and even that may not be enough.
If nothing else Vic seems to be fine with the fact that Trump was paying a hooker hush money in order to cover up a sexual encounter that occurred while his wife was pregnant.
Even a moron like trump understands that probably wouldn't look good to the voters
With some, he just can't catch a break, they bitch when he pays his bills and they bitch when he doesn't.
I don't think anyone is fine with trump paying a hooker and more than anyone should be fine with Biden raping his daughter, but if I had to choose between the 2...........Vote third party.
'when he pays his bills'
When does that ever happen??????????????????
Ask the banks that approved his loans that were repaid in full.
Between Daniels, Cohen, Pecker and others for the prosecution I don't think it's going to be a difficult hill to climb.
Done. See co-conspirator #1.
Chanel your peeves as being 'merits' all you want. Alas there are none to be found.
It is called a non-disclosure agreement. He paid for silence, and she agreed & took the money. And if the reason is as you say: because his wife was pregnant at the time, Bragg loses his case.
Cohen as the star witness? I don't think so.
Did you see what JR posted?
Trump was paying a hooker hush money in order to cover up a sexual encounter that occurred while his wife was pregnant.
Then he did it for something other than the election. Case closed.
Look up the John Edwards case.
Lived thru it, no thanks ... there are far more important things worthy of second visits.
I didn't say he was a star. Only one of several. There is no doubt the defense will paint him as unreliable, but the jury will weigh his testimony along with the others when they make their judgements.
JR will not be involved in the court case.
I'm sure that's what you'd like to think. The court will go through the whole timeline from when he hooked up to when he was elected and all the pertinent acts that happened in between.
I know you didn't. I'm saying it. The case is built around someone who once admitted he'd say anything rather than going to jail.
The court will go through the whole timeline from when he hooked up to when he was elected and all the pertinent acts that happened in between.
How does a court decide what was in someone's mind?
This is the sequel. You have to know the original to know how it ends.
The case is built around the accounting and timing.
The US court system has been doing it since it's inception through various means with some success.
I plan to. I did not vote for Trump in 2016 and I won't vote for him this time around. Same for Biden. Neither one are fit to hold a second term in my opinion.
Now you're getting it. And convincing everyone that it was only about an election. That is what the DOJ initially walked away from, but the DOJ does have one of its own on this case. So, there is a push and a connection.
The US court system has been doing it since it's inception through various means with some success.
FALSE.
Tell me what Trump did as President that you don't like.
The office of president is more than just policies, it is also about character, and trump in my opinion does not have the character to be president. this is my opinion. Ed's reasons are his own.
The election of Bill Clinton says otherwise.
Thank you. That pretty much sums up my feelings. I do not like Trump but I do feel he is being treated very unfairly by the get rid of Trump at any cost anti Trump leftist lib crowd and the liberal MSM and a blatant double standard of justice is being applied. Leticia James, Alvin Bragg, and Fanni Willis have pretty much priced that. Rule of law is not really being applied to Trump.
Hmm... who's your source in the DoJ? Unless you have one you don't know jack.
Now you're in denial. By to your logic no one would be able to get a conviction on 1st or 2nd degree murder without a confession. I'm not saying Bragg will be successful here or not successful. Only that he has standing and merit for a case to proceed. Anything else is blind partisanship.
Seems far right-wing fascists will stoop as low as they possibly can to protect the insane orange lying fool.
I . Attempted to steal a presidential election for the first time in USA history by:
II . Obstructed the lawful securing of classified documents by knowingly and willingly :
III. Attempted to falsely keep the economy positive by:
And I could list good and bad regarding policy (e.g. addressing illegal immigration=good, denying and actually working against mitigation of climate change=bad) but my key concerns with Trump are not policy related but more about his demeanor, character, integrity, entirely (historically so) unpresidential face and voice of our nation, and then, especially, his violation of his oath of office by attempting to circumvent the CotUS and disenfranchise voters as the sitting PotUS.
we have to go through the same shit every day.
It is 3 1/2 years since the 2020 election and not a single scrap of provable evidence has been presented to show the election was stolen from Trump.
We literally live in a bizarro world.
You would think that at some point it would dawn on Trumpsters that they have been duped. But noooooooooooooooo.
The reason, of course, is that Trump is the presumptive nominee for the GOP. All loyal GOP members have no choice (in their minds) but to vote for Trump to be the next PotUS. And since they know who they will voting for, they now need to defend their choice.
But any argument in support of Trump becoming the next PotUS is on a foundation of quicksand. There is no sound argument for putting Trump in the presidency. And the strength and volume of counterarguments is overwhelming.
In result, we will see strawman arguments, deflection, faux obtuseness, lying, twisting of reality, etc., and of course, pitiful 'arguments'.
And it will grow increasingly worse as we approach November.
Breathing, to start with
I do not applaud the former 'president's' later efforts to get the vaccines. He deserves no credit whatsoever for this.
What choice did he have?
It does not help the D cause to NOT give credit to an R PotUS when credit would be given to a D PotUS under the same circumstances.
Trump did not have to do anything to legitimately get credit for the vaccines being developed under his watch. If a D were PotUS at the time, he would have had no real choice but to get behind the vaccines too. And if an R objected to the credit, I would give the R the same answer.
The strongest position one can have will be based on objective analysis.
Fair defense and fair criticism.
Yet another case where the Trump side is being argued not on the facts of the conduct but on technicalities of the law.
Trump never argues "I didn't do it", he always argues ,"so what?"
his entire adult life can be described as someone trying to get away with things that other people can't
Will he be judged on the merits of the case?
Are you contending Trump did not have an affair with the porn star Stormy Daniels? Did not try to cover it up? Did not illegally disguised the payments to Daniels as deductable legal expenses or campaign expenses and then even attempt to deduct the payoffs on his business tax return? Innocent, is he? Nope...
Will Democrats ever follow the laws when charging someone? Just once? Please for the sake of the legal system that most have stopped believing in.
Then why didn't the FEC or DOJ charge Trump?
I am contending that Bragg will not be able to twist this into a federal crime.
Anyone else want to discuss the merits?
The answer is cricket noises?
He also spent his childhood as a rapist and a thief.
His parents sent him to military school for a reason. It didn't take.
And never grew up and continued to rape and sexually assault very young girls and women who look like his daughter Ivanka.
Oh the can of worms the dems are opening.
Added to the multitude of others they have opened in last 3+ years.
I put this up for those who always want to discuss the merits of the case. Evidently, they only like to read indictments as if they were written by God.
I believe this is what writers call "the pregnant pause."
Later.
One final note pointed out by Donald Trump:
Matthew Colangelo left the DOJ as a top official there to come help Alvin Bragg on this "hush money" case. That is not usually where top DOJ officials go after leaving the Department. They usually get a big job somewhere, but every important prosecutor must join the get Trump team.
Trump posted the 175 million dollar bond, I guess the DA won’t get to run on selling trumps property.
Those who defend Trump are just as stupid, ignorant and venal as he is.
Likely the same folk who deny anthropogenic global warming.
Likely the same folk who are anti vaccination.
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