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Trump campaign raises more than $50 million at Florida fundraiser

  

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Via:  vic-eldred  •  8 months ago  •  118 comments

By:   Bradford Betz (Fox News)

Trump campaign raises more than $50 million at Florida fundraiser
Former President Donald Trump's GOP fundraiser in Palm Beach, Florida, rakes in more than $50 million.

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Former President Trump's campaign team says it raised more than $50 million at a Saturday evening's GOP fundraiser in Palm Beach, Florida, smashing records for a Republican or Democratic candidate.

"It took three Democrat presidents to raise $25 million and one president to raise over $50 million, Donald J. Trump," campaign spokesperson Danielle Alvarez boasted.

Heavy-hitters


Saturday's fundraiser took place at a private home in Palm Beach, hosted by billionaire and hedge fund founder John Paulson. Among the 100 or so guests will be heavy-hitters like casino mogul Steve Wynn, Bigelow Aerospace Founder and President Robert Bigelow, and former U.S. Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross.

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Former President Donald Trump pumps his fist as he arrives for a GOP fundraiser, Saturday in Palm Beach, Fla. (AP Photo/Lynne Sladky)

"The response to our fundraising efforts has been overwhelming, and we've raised over $43 million so far," Paulson said in a statement. "There is massive support amongst a broad spectrum of donors."

Speaking briefly to reporters as he arrived at the event with his wife, Melania Trump, the former president said, "this has been some incredible evening before it even starts because people - they wanted to contribute to a cause of making America great again, and that's what's happened."

Though the fundraiser is expected to take in tens of millions, Trump still needs to close the gap with his Democratic rival, incumbent President Biden, who is reported to have around $192 million on hand compared with just over $93 million for Trump.

Biden event snags $26M


Biden's campaign said he raised more than $26 million during a fundraising appearance late last month at New York City's famed Radio City Music Hall with former Presidents Barack Obama and Bill Clinton.

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The president's re-election campaign called the money raised at the star-studded event — which set a record for a single fundraiser — "historic."

Trump's event, billed as the "Inaugural Leadership Dinner," sends a signal of a resurgence for the former president and Republican Party fundraising.

Trump initially struggled to attract big donors when he launched his campaign and some lined up to support the other Republicans who challenged him in the presidential primary. But as Trump racked up easy wins, leveled the field and became the party's presumptive nominee, the GOP has solidified behind him.

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Laura Trump speaks at the NCGOP state convention with former President Donald Trump.(Melissa Sue Gerrits/Getty Images)

Contributions to the event will go toward the Trump 47 Committee, according to the invitation, a joint fundraising agreement with the Republican National Committee, state Republican parties and Save America, a political action committee that pays the bulk of Trump's legal bills.

Big contributions


In an unusual arrangement, the fundraising agreement directs donations to first pay the maximum allowed under law to his campaign and Save America before the RNC or state parties get a cut.

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Guests are asked to contribute $814,600 per person as a "chairman" contributor, which comes with seating at Trump's table, or $250,000 per person as a "host committee" contributor.

Both options come with a photo opportunity and a personalized copy of Trump's coffee table book featuring photographs from his administration, "Our Journey Together."

Three of Trump's former rivals for the GOP nomination — South Carolina Sen. Tim Scott, North Dakota Gov. Doug Burgum and biotech entrepreneur Vivek Ramaswamy — are expected to appear as "special guests."

The Associated Press contributed to this report.

Bradford Betz is a Fox News Digital breaking reporter covering crime, political issues, and much more.


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Vic Eldred
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1  seeder  Vic Eldred    8 months ago

It was only last Sunday when we heard Donna Brazile (on "This Week") brag about Biden's NYC fundraiser that brought in what was thought to be a record for a single fundraiser of $25 million. As predicted by Trump, he would outraise that number in the Florida fundraiser hosted by John Paulsen. 

The Trump campaign is still far behind the Biden campaign in money raised overall, but that is typical these days as democrats have more large donors.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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1.1  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    8 months ago

Brings to mind what P.T.Barnum is reputed to have said....

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @1.1    8 months ago

I believe Biden supporters were born every half minute.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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1.1.2  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.1    8 months ago

You mentioned both in your comment - I wasn't being specific. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.1.3  Tessylo  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @1.1.2    8 months ago

I know who you meant though jrSmiley_82_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
devangelical
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2  devangelical    8 months ago
Guests are asked to contribute $814,600 per person as a "chairman" contributor, which comes with seating at Trump's table, or $250,000 per person as a "host committee" contributor. In an unusual arrangement, the fundraising agreement directs donations to first pay the maximum allowed under law to his campaign and Save America before the RNC or state parties get a cut. Contributions to the event will go toward the Trump 47 Committee, according to the invitation, a joint fundraising agreement with the Republican National Committee, state Republican parties and Save America, a political action committee that pays the bulk of Trump's legal bills.

... the grift continues.

The Trump campaign is still far behind the Biden campaign in money raised

gee, looks like melania, lara, and kim will be going thru a lot of lip balm and tic tacs....

 
 
 
MrFrost
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2.1  MrFrost  replied to  devangelical @2    8 months ago

I wonder how many white nationalists donated....along with racists, fascists, etc.

 
 
 
George
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2.1.1  George  replied to  MrFrost @2.1    8 months ago

Why would democrats be sending money to trump, the party of the klan supports their own.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.1.2  Tessylo  replied to  MrFrost @2.1    8 months ago

The majority - they are the former 'president's' major supporters.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.2  Tessylo  replied to  devangelical @2    8 months ago

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Robert in Ohio
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3  Robert in Ohio    8 months ago

Is this money for the campaign or for the multi-faceted Trump Defense Fund?

 
 
 
JBB
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3.1  JBB  replied to  Robert in Ohio @3    8 months ago

Defense fund or just plain old graft? We never got an explanation for the twenty odd million dollars that disappeared from Trump's first inauguration fund...

 
 
 
Robert in Ohio
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3.1.1  Robert in Ohio  replied to  JBB @3.1    8 months ago

Excellent point - over the decades I have often wondered how much "campaign money" contributions were the actual beginning balance of the politician's multi-million-dollar fortune jrSmiley_7_smiley_image.png

 
 
 
Snuffy
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3.1.2  Snuffy  replied to  Robert in Ohio @3.1.1    8 months ago

I know the SEC does keep a close eye on that. There's no law that says when a politician decides to not run for re-election they must give up any campaign money they currently hold. For example, Kyrsten Sinema has $10.4 million in her campaign accounts yet is not running for re-election.

Sen. Kyrsten Sinema - Campaign Finance Summary • OpenSecrets

But there are also laws that set how the money may be spent and it's fairly lenient in those regards which is how Trump has been able to spend all that PAC money on his legal defenses. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.1.3  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Robert in Ohio @3.1.1    8 months ago

That eliminates Biden. His fortune came from influence peddling to America's enemies.

 
 
 
MrFrost
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3.1.4  MrFrost  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.3    8 months ago

That eliminates Biden. His fortune came from influence peddling to America's enemies.

Like Saudi Arabia, Russia and China? Oh wait that was trump, never mind. 

 
 
 
devangelical
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3.1.5  devangelical  replied to  MrFrost @3.1.4    8 months ago

the resolute desk was in the oval sales office of the west wing, the waiting area was in trump's DC hotel.

 
 
 
JBB
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3.1.6  JBB  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.3    8 months ago

Yet, unlike Trump, Joe and Jill Biden's taxes are public going back for decades. So, you need to prove outrageous accusations...

Thus, I am asking you, James Comer and Jim Jordan this, again!

original

 
 
 
devangelical
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3.1.7  devangelical  replied to  JBB @3.1.6    8 months ago

the 8k golden boy of team golden shower, now tarnished and forgotten...

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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3.1.8  Greg Jones  replied to  JBB @3.1.6    8 months ago

What about the unreported bribes and the under the table payoffs?

 
 
 
MrFrost
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3.1.9  MrFrost  replied to  Greg Jones @3.1.8    8 months ago

What about the unreported bribes and the under the table payoffs?

Prove it. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.2  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Robert in Ohio @3    8 months ago

Both would come under the campaign. After all, the 4 cases are obviously political.

It is all part of the democrat strategy of win at any cost.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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3.2.1  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.2    8 months ago
After all, the 4 cases are obviously political.

How exactly is the Jan 6th case or the classified documents case political and thus without merit?

In both cases, Trump was indicted based on his behavior in contrast to established law.

The Jan 6 case counts:

Count 1: 18 U.S.C. § 371 (Conspiracy to Defraud the United States)

§ 371. Conspiracy to commit offense or to defraud United States

If two or more persons conspire either to commit any offense against the United States, or to defraud the United States, or any agency thereof in any manner or for any purpose, and one or more of such persons do any act to effect the object of the conspiracy, each shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both.

If, however, the offense, the commission of which is the object of the conspiracy, is a misdemeanor only, the punishment for such conspiracy shall not exceed the maximum punishment provided for such misdemeanor.

Count 2: 18 U.S.C. § 1512(k) (Conspiracy to Obstruct an Official Proceeding)

Count 3: 18 U.S.C. §§ 1512(c)(2), 2 (Obstruction of and Attempt to Obstruct an Official Proceeding)

§ 1512. Tampering with a witness, victim, or an informant

(c) Whoever corruptly-

(1) alters, destroys, mutilates, or conceals a record, document, or other object, or attempts to do so, with the intent to impair the object's integrity or availability for use in an official proceeding; or

(2) otherwise obstructs, influences, or impedes any official proceeding, or attempts to do so, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both.

(k) Whoever conspires to commit any offense under this section shall be subject to the same penalties as those prescribed for the offense the commission of which was the object of the conspiracy.

Count 4: 18 U.S.C. § 241 (Conspiracy Against Rights)

§ 241. Conspiracy against rights

If two or more persons conspire to injure, oppress, threaten, or intimidate any person in any State, Territory, Commonwealth, Possession, or District in the free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege secured to him by the Constitution or laws of the United States, or because of his having so exercised the same; or

If two or more persons go in disguise on the highway, or on the premises of another, with intent to prevent or hinder his free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege so secured-

They shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and if death results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include kidnapping or an attempt to kidnap, aggravated sexual abuse or an attempt to commit aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to kill, they shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for any term of years or for life, or both, or may be sentenced to death.

And on the classified documents case, Trump obstructed the safe return of the documents.   If he had cooperated as did Pence and Biden, he would have not been indicted and his holding of classified documents likely would have never been news in the first place.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.2.2  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  TᵢG @3.2.1    8 months ago
How exactly is the Jan 6th case or the classified documents case political and thus without merit?

Obviously, because it was scheduled for the election and the prosecutor is obsessed with getting a trial and verdict in before the election.

What was the DOJ policy on trials during a national election?

 
 
 
Thomas
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3.2.3  Thomas  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.2.2    8 months ago

No, it is not obvious, it is not even coincidental. Trump wanted this to happen. Trump started his campaign super early so that he could capitalize on the likelihood that he was going to be indicted and say, as he has always done, "Poor me. Look at them pick on poor me. Send me your money. Poor me. It is all a witch hunt. Poor Me. I am so very rich. Send me More Money. Poor Me."  

 
 
 
devangelical
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3.2.4  devangelical  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.2.2    8 months ago
because it was scheduled for the election

trump has been successful delaying due process until now. an innocent person would've wanted a speedy trial.

What was the DOJ policy on trials during a national election?

back then, almost the same as the senate policy on SCOTUS confirmations. looks like things can change, huh?

your hero is looking at life in club fed and the clock is running out on copping a plea.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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3.2.5  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.2.2    8 months ago

Do you ever consider that the charges against Trump have clear merit?   

Trump would not be under indictment if he would have accepted the recount facts of the 2020 election and graciously conceded as have every other PotUS in our history.   But he did not.   He engaged in (relatively outrageous, historically extreme) practices that are arguably (determined by a trial) unconstitutional and illegal.

I have always suspected (strongly) that the only reason Trump is running for PotUS is to help him deal with his many legal liabilities.

 
 
 
devangelical
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3.2.6  devangelical  replied to  TᵢG @3.2.5    8 months ago

he's definitely chasing the protection of presidential immunity, as evidenced by his defense in every indictment.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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3.2.7  TᵢG  replied to  devangelical @3.2.6    8 months ago

Certainly.   He cannot deny what he did in a court of law so he is trying to claim that he was above the law.

He tried this right off the bat with the classified documents.   (Stupidly, by the way.)   Remember how he first tried to claim that he had declassified all of the documents?   Then, when challenged, claimed that a PotUS can declassify by simply deciding this (in his head).   Just ridiculous nonsense that caused him to shoot himself in the foot by admitting he knowingly held classified documents and was obstructing their safe return.

It is amazing that this clown has been able to skirt so many legal challenges.   Just goes to show how money funding smart attorneys can slip through cracks in our legal system.

 
 
 
afrayedknot
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3.2.8  afrayedknot  replied to  TᵢG @3.2.7    8 months ago

“…to shoot himself in the foot…”

…a Fifth Avenue freeze out…

 
 
 
Thomas
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3.2.9  Thomas  replied to  devangelical @3.2.6    8 months ago
he's definitely chasing the protection of presidential immunity, as evidenced by his defense in every indictment.

He is preying for it (sic)

 
 
 
devangelical
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3.2.10  devangelical  replied to  TᵢG @3.2.7    8 months ago

lie, deny, delay...

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.2.11  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  devangelical @3.2.4    8 months ago
trump has been successful delaying due process until now. an innocent person would've wanted a speedy trial.

You are certain to have a NY conviction which will be overturned on appeal.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.2.12  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Thomas @3.2.3    8 months ago
No, it is not obvious,

To most people it is.


Trump started his campaign super early so that he could capitalize on the likelihood that he was going to be indicted and say, as he has always done, "Poor me. Look at them pick on poor me. Send me your money. Poor me. It is all a witch hunt. Poor Me. I am so very rich. Send me More Money. Poor Me."  

So, either the democrats lawfare strategy backfired or Trump is a political genius.

Got it.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.2.13  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  TᵢG @3.2.5    8 months ago
Do you ever consider that the charges against Trump have clear merit?   

How am I able to do that?  Everything done reeks of bias & weaponization of the law.

Was Jack Smith properly appointed?  Is anything he does now legal?

Why is he obsessed with a trial & verdict before the election?

Why is the only real judge being criticized by the leftwing media?


I have always suspected (strongly) that the only reason Trump is running for PotUS is to help him deal with his many legal liabilities.

That is the projection & narrative of the left. The real reason for the race to a conviction was revealed in a New York Times Poll: Trump loses considerable support if he is convicted of something.

Let's see, you couldn't answer my question on the DOJ's policy on prosecuting candidates during an election, I wonder if you can answer the questions posed here.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.2.14  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  afrayedknot @3.2.8    8 months ago
to shoot himself in the foot…

He manages to do that every day, yet he leads in every battleground state. (He is tied in one.)

 
 
 
TᵢG
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3.2.15  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.2.13    8 months ago
How am I able to do that?

Very easy Vic.

  1. Objectively consider the evidence that we have all seen.   All the publicly available stuff.   
  2. Carefully read the indictments.   Compare the stated offenses with the evidence.   
  3. Compare the stated offenses with the actual law (it is referenced and you can read the law yourself).

Your questions show that you have no intent of objectively reviewing.   You are simply trying to find ways to confirm your already well established political bias.

Let's see, you couldn't answer my question on the DOJ's policy on prosecuting candidates during an election, I wonder if you can answer the questions posed here.

There is a difference between could not and would not.   DOJ policy has absolutely no bearing on whether the indictments have merit.   You were deflecting then and are doing it yet again here.

I am intentionally NOT going to answer your new list of questions since they are clearly just deflection.   

Do the research, Vic.   You are perfectly capable of coming to an objective opinion on whether the Jack Smith indictments have merit or not.   And then you can make an argument as to why those indictments do not have merit when compared to the actual cited law and the publicly available evidence.

 
 
 
devangelical
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3.2.16  devangelical  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.2.11    8 months ago
You are certain to have a NY conviction which will be overturned on appeal.

the first criminal trial of a former president in the history of the usa starts next week.

 
 
 
arkpdx
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3.2.17  arkpdx  replied to  TᵢG @3.2.1    8 months ago
Trump was indicted based on his behavior in contrast to established law.

Your kidding right? You don't. Really believe that?

 
 
 
TᵢG
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3.2.18  TᵢG  replied to  arkpdx @3.2.17    8 months ago

It is sickening to see someone pretend that Trump did nothing wrong.    This guy, while PotUS, attempted to steal a US presidential election through fraud, coercion, lying, and incitement and you pretend he did nothing wrong.

 
 
 
Gsquared
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3.2.19  Gsquared  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.2.12    8 months ago
Lawfare

The replican party's word of the month.  Last month everything was "woke" and the month before it was all about "transgender".

The replican party doesn't have policies, just propaganda.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.2.20  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  TᵢG @3.2.15    8 months ago

No, I don't ignore all that surrounds something dirty to determine if a single element might be clean.

This particular case is no longer the important one. It is the New York one that will go to trial this month. The only one before the election. All the New York cases were meritless, but you'll get a conviction and then it will be overturned on appeal - hopefully before the election.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.2.21  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Gsquared @3.2.19    8 months ago
Lawfare
noun
  1. legal action undertaken as part of a hostile campaign against a country or group:
 
 
 
Thomas
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3.2.22  Thomas  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.2.12    8 months ago
To most people it is.

No, not really. Most people believe the truth and your contention is false, no matter how stressfully you make it. 

Read the report. The testimony is backing for the paper trail. Trump is a traitor to the Constitution and his oath of office. Only fools believe otherwise.

So, either the democrats lawfare strategy backfired or Trump is a political genius.

I don't think that those are the only two options, so that is a false dichotomy. I think that the reason that it has taken so long to get the cases lined out against Trump is out of an over-abundance of caution. Basically, most cases were held off because the DOJ and assorted prosecutors did not want to appear overzealous and they treated him with far more leniency than he ever deserved. He should be in jail now. Everybody bent over backwards to give him the benefit of the doubt when they should have been nailing his metaphorical ass to the wall.

 
 
 
Thomas
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3.2.23  Thomas  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.2.20    8 months ago
No, I don't ignore all that surrounds something dirty to determine if a single element might be clean.

No, you post the dirty all on your own and try to make it look like something not-dirty. It is standard Trump and minions MO: Accuse everybody of doing what you are doing and have done.

Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.

Damn those little dogs. 

 

 
 
 
Igknorantzruls
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3.2.24  Igknorantzruls  replied to  Thomas @3.2.22    8 months ago
Basically, most cases were held off because the DOJ and assorted prosecutors did not want to appear overzealous and they treated him with far more leniency than he ever deserved. He should be in jail now. Everybody bent over backwards to give him the benefit of the doubt when they should have been nailing his metaphorical ass to the wall.

unfortunately, Biden who wished to reunite a divided country, held the DOJ back a bit, and did not go rampantly after  the pos

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.2.25  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Thomas @3.2.22    8 months ago
the DOJ and assorted prosecutors did not want to appear overzealous

Thanks, I needed a good laugh today.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.2.26  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Thomas @3.2.23    8 months ago

The 4 cases, just like the Jan 6th Committee are tainted by bias to the core.

Damn it, we all have functioning brains.

 
 
 
Thomas
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3.2.27  Thomas  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.2.26    8 months ago
Damn it, we all have functioning brains.

Could have fooled me. I think some people around here are delusional.

The 4 cases, just like the Jan 6th Committee are tainted by bias to the core.

This statement quoted proves it.

Why don't you do a little reading? It is not just a case of saying "guilty" or "not guilty". There is a paper trail a mile long that shows what Trump did and when he did it. There is corroboration by many witnesses. He was definitely trying to abrogate the will of the voters by lying and subterfuge. Slice it any way you want: Trump engaged in a conspiracy to ignore the Constitution and the voters to emplace himself in the role of PotUS that he was and is not entitled to. 

 
 
 
Thomas
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3.2.28  Thomas  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.2.25    8 months ago
Thanks, I needed a good laugh today.

So did I. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.2.29  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Thomas @3.2.27    8 months ago
Why don't you do a little reading?

How about you?

What happened to the drivers testimony?

What happened to the House policy of appointing members?

What happened to the evidence of Trump suggesting the National Guard?

It would seem that you have a lot to catch up on.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.2.30  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.2.21    8 months ago

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Thomas
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3.2.31  Thomas  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.2.29    8 months ago

What happened to Rami-Swami's testimony? 

All of their testimony could not undo the mountain of testimony and evidence that says Trump tried to remain in office illegally. I am not going down those rabbit holes again. I have already addressed and discarded them elsewhere. Just give it up. He is guilty and crying won't change a thing. 

Read the report.

 
 
 
Thomas
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3.2.32  Thomas  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.2.30    8 months ago

Blah Blah Blah

You post Trumps words like they somehow indicate truthfulness. 

Trump is guilty. Read the report.

Ha ha ha ha ha

 
 
 
TᵢG
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3.2.33  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.2.20    8 months ago
No, I don't ignore all that surrounds something dirty to determine if a single element might be clean.

When dealing with an indictment and a trial, the single most important element is the wrongdoing itself.

You are ignoring the wrongdoing and pretending all of this is simply political just as Trump expected you (writ large) would.   That is very likely the main reason he is running — to play his base.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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3.2.34  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.2.26    8 months ago
The 4 cases, just like the Jan 6th Committee are tainted by bias to the core.

Of course, if your nominee is under indictment it could not possibly be due to his own wrongdoing.   It must be 'them', 'those guys' who are creating bullshit indictments based on invented charges and gross misinterpretation of the law. 

196

 
 
 
TᵢG
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3.2.35  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.2.29    8 months ago

You ask peripheral questions while ignoring the 800lb gorilla in the room.

For example, was former Arizona Speaker Rusty Bowers lying when he stated under oath that Trump wanted him to submit fake electors for the state of Arizona?   Is Pence lying about Trump trying to suborn him to engage in an unconstitutional act of tabling certified election results from select states that he lost?   These, and others, are the critical questions.   Trump's wrongdoing (or not) is the focus.

You are on a mission looking for (confirmation bias) evidence that there is foul play by others while categorically ignoring ALL the evidence of  wrongdoing by Trump.

The trial will not do that (if it ever happens).   The trial will focus on Trump's wrongdoings.   If he violated the law then a fair trial will find him guilty based on the evidence.    That is how our system is supposed to work.

Meanwhile, I fully expect Trump supporters to deny the trial, call it rigged, call it political, etc.   Pure partisan nonsense by those who claim support for the rule of law.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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3.2.36  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.2.30    8 months ago

Do you actually believe what Trump claims???

 
 
 
Ronin2
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3.2.37  Ronin2  replied to  TᵢG @3.2.18    8 months ago

In other words the same as election denier Democrats including Hillary. Please remind us all how many indictments she faced for it? 

She is still spewing her insanity that she won in 2016.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
3.2.38  TᵢG  replied to  Ronin2 @3.2.37    8 months ago

That's it?   A feeble deflection to 2016?   And then you equate Trump's attempt to steal the election with Hillary's whining?   

 
 
 
evilone
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3.2.40  evilone  replied to  TᵢG @3.2.38    8 months ago
And then you equate Trump's attempt to steal the election with Hillary's whining?   

Didn't you know that a Dem whining they lost is exactly the same as Republicans illegally signing fake documents as fake electors?

 
 
 
arkpdx
Professor Quiet
3.2.41  arkpdx  replied to  evilone @3.2.40    8 months ago

Well I remember Hillary's supporters rioting in dozens of cities for weeks after the election. 

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
3.2.42  JBB  replied to  arkpdx @3.2.41    8 months ago

Then you remember it all wrong, again...

 
 
 
Robert in Ohio
Professor Guide
3.2.43  Robert in Ohio  replied to  JBB @3.2.42    8 months ago

Both sides of the elections remember things to promote their version of the facts

Perhaps this will jog your selective memory

Anti-Trump protests, some violent, erupt for 3rd night nationwide
Melanie Eversley, Aamer Madhani, and Rick Jervis

USA TODAY November 11, 2016

For the third night in a row, anti-Donald Trump demonstrators took to the streets in several big cities and on college campuses across the United States,

Officers ordered protesters to disperse after the demonstration turned into what they called a riot, citing "extensive criminal and dangerous behavior." At least 26 people were arrested.

Anti-Trump groups called for demonstrations Friday evening  in Miami  and  West Palm Beach

Demonstrations also took place Thursday night in Columbus, Ohio, and Minneapolis, Minn. Protests in Madison, Wisconsin's capital, and Milwaukee, the state's most populous city, drew some of the biggest crowds, with more than 1,000 demonstrators taking to streets in both cities.

 In New York, hundreds of protesters gathered near the iconic Trump Tower for the second straight night to express their anger over the election of the businessman.

In San Francisco, high-spirited high school students marched, chanting “not my president” 

In Philadelphia, protesters near City Hall held signs bearing slogans like “Not Our President,” “Trans Against Trump” and “Make America Safe For All.”

Anti-Trump protests, some violent, erupt for 3rd night nationwide (usatoday.com)

........

This is only one article - there were many riots (protests if you listen to the left) proclaiming that Trump was not the duly elected president, etc etc

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
3.2.44  Tessylo  replied to  Robert in Ohio @3.2.43    8 months ago

Oh please, the right are known for their violence and anything you offer up regarding the left - there is absolutely no comparison.  I think the majority of violence pinned on the left was by right wing plants in the first place.  All you have is something from 2016 and whatever else you may have found pales in comparison.  The democrats/leftists/progressives are known for their peaceful protests and you cannot say the same about the right, not possible.  

 
 
 
Snuffy
Professor Participates
3.2.45  Snuffy  replied to  JBB @3.2.42    8 months ago

How quickly those who forget the actions from their side...  Perhaps this will jog your memory. And this is from ABC News, hardly a "right wing' vendor.

The protests that have spread to cities across the country in the wake of   Donald Trump 's victory have reached levels not seen after elections in recent memory, experts said.

And though they have been bigger in scope than prior protests -- most of which surrounded the 2000 election where the winner was not determined for weeks after the vote -- the demonstrations have largely been confined to cities in states that   Hillary Clinton   won.

"The nation is highly polarized and even more than it had been in 2000. Differences are greater and, therefore, the stakes are higher, emotions run stronger, and losses felt more deeply," said James Campbell, a political science professor at the University at Buffalo in New York.

Campbell, whose book "Polarized: Making Sense of a Divided America" was published this summer, said that the stark differences that were shown in these election results are likely contributing to the fervor.

"We are so polarized that many Americans had not really come into contact with others who have opposite views. Because of this, it becomes unthinkable to those on either side that other side could win the election. This was expressed in the claims about the election being possibly rigged," Campbell said.

Campbell said other contributing factors include the age of many of the protesters -- and this being their first presidential loss -- and the general trend that "protests are much more commonplace on the left than on the right."

The locations of the protests fit with Democratic strongholds, though that comes as little surprise to Georgetown University associate professor Hans Noel.

"In general, Democrats are strong in cities and in areas with larger non-white populations," Noel told ABC News.

Post-Election Protests Largely Contained to States Clinton Won - ABC News (go.com)
 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
3.2.46  Tessylo  replied to  Gsquared @3.2.19    8 months ago

TRUTH!

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
3.2.47  Tessylo  replied to  arkpdx @3.2.41    8 months ago

That's not true.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
3.2.48  Tessylo  replied to  Thomas @3.2.22    8 months ago

The former 'president' is a traitor many times over yet the cult of the defenders of the indefensible persist.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
3.2.49  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.2.30    8 months ago

Why do you re-post all these hateful lies and hate and ignorance and delusion from the former 'president'?

Doesn't make it true.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
3.2.50  Tessylo  replied to  Thomas @3.2.32    8 months ago

The moron continues to defame Ms. Carroll.  She should sue him again.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
3.2.51  JohnRussell  replied to  Robert in Ohio @3.2.43    8 months ago

Here is a very small portion of things that were known about Donald trump prior to election day 2016.

Please explain to us why you think he was fit to be president at that time.

  • 1985-1994

    Reported   $1.17 billion   in business losses over the decade. Trump “appears to have lost more money than nearly any other individual American taxpayer,” according to the   New York Times .

  • 2

    May 1, 1989

    Took out   $85,000-worth of full-page ads in New York newspapers calling for the death penalty   for the Central Park Five—whose convictions were later vacated after DNA evidence proved their innocence.   Trump never apologized.

  • 3

    1990s

    Contrary to his story of being a self-made billionaire,   Trump received the equivalent today of at least $413 million   from his father’s real-estate empire, much of it transferred through suspect tax-dodging schemes.

  • 4

    1991-2009

    Declared Chapter 11 bankruptcy for his various businesses   six times .

  • 5

    2005

    Bragged about grabbing women “by the pussy” in a conversation with   Access Hollywood ’s Billy Bush   picked up on a hot mic .

  • 6

    2011-2016

    Promoted   birtherism   against President Barack Obama—the false claim that Obama was not born in the United States, that his birth certificate was fraudulent, and that therefore he was constitutionally ineligible for the presidency.

  • 7

    2015-2016

    Attacked in sexist and demeaning ways women who raised critical questions about his character. See:   Megyn Kelly ,   Carly Fiorina ,   Hillary Clinton .

  • 8

    2015-present

    Denies accusations of sexual misconduct, ranging from   unwanted   kissing   to   rape , by calling the women   “liars” and not “his type.”

  • 9

    June 16, 2015

    Announced his presidential campaign by describing America as “ a dumping ground for everybody else’s problems .” Mexicans coming to America, he said, were “bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists.”

  • 10

    July 18, 2015

    Said Vietnam POW John McCain is “ not a war hero ” and “I like people who weren’t captured.”

  • 11

    November 22, 2015

    Claimed   that “thousands and thousands” of people in New Jersey’s Arab communities cheered on 9/11.

  • 12

    2016 campaign season

    Encouraged violence. Said that he’d like to punch a protester “ in the face ”; that his supporters should “ knock the hell ” out of protesters—“I promise you, I’ll pay the legal bills”; and that the police should   not protect suspects’ heads when loading them into squad cars .

  • 13

    May 11, 2016

    Refused to release his tax returns   for public inspection after having previously   promised to do so . On other occasions, he   falsely claimed   he could not release them because he was under audit. When, in 2019, Congress subpoenaed Trump’s tax returns, Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin   refused to comply —kicking off cases that went to the Supreme Court.

  • 14

    May-June 2016

    Said Judge Gonzalo Curiel is   unfit to rule   on a lawsuit filed by Trump University students because “ he’s a Mexican ” (in fact, the judge is an American citizen born in Indiana). Trump would later   settle the lawsuit for $25 million .

  • 15

    July 27, 2016

    Called on Russia   to hack and release Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton’s emails.

  • 16

    July 30, 2016

    Denigrated the family   of U.S. Army Capt. Humayun Khan, who was killed in 2004 while serving in Iraq, after Khan’s father delivered remarks at the Democratic National Convention.

  • 17

    July 30, 2016

    Broke with U.S. policy of supporting Ukraine over Russia’s invasion of Crimea,   saying : “The people of Crimea, from what I’ve heard, would rather be with Russia than where they were.”

  • 18

    Fall 2016

    Before Election Day, repeatedly   hyped unfounded fears of a “rigged” election . Then, after Election Day,   he stated , without any evidence, “I won the popular vote if you deduct the millions of people who voted illegally.”

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
3.2.52  JohnRussell  replied to  JohnRussell @3.2.51    8 months ago

I would add Trump University scandal, the fact that he was sued hundreds of times for non payment to vendors,  the fact that his real estate company was unethicall misrepresenting condo sales in buildings he "owned", and over 100 other reasons. 

176 Reasons Donald Trump Shouldn't Be President | GQ

People protested Trumps election because they love their country and knew what a disaster it would be to make this man president. 

 
 
 
evilone
Professor Guide
3.2.53  evilone  replied to  Robert in Ohio @3.2.43    8 months ago
Anti-Trump protests, some violent, erupt for 3rd night nationwide

That is a deflection from the point of politicians breaking laws.

A large majority of people who use demonstrations to cause property damage or loot businesses get caught and prosecuted, just like the over 1,200 people who rioted at the Capital Bldg on Jan 6th. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
3.2.54  JohnRussell  replied to  Robert in Ohio @3.2.43    8 months ago

Do you seriously believe there was no cause to protest Trumps election in 2016 ? 

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
3.2.55  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  JohnRussell @3.2.54    8 months ago

Yes.....................

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
3.2.56  JohnRussell  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.2.55    8 months ago

fuck trumpism

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
3.2.57  Tessylo  replied to  evilone @3.2.53    8 months ago

Thank you EG - any criminals during those protests I hope were caught and prosecuted - that's what I always say about protests - any criminal acts should be held accountable, not the protesters.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
3.2.58  Tessylo  replied to  JohnRussell @3.2.56    8 months ago

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TᵢG
Professor Principal
3.2.59  TᵢG  replied to  JohnRussell @3.2.56    8 months ago

I do not think this is Trumpism, per se.   What we are observing is just how extreme party loyalty is for some people.   No matter how bad the nominee is, the party loyalists will vote for him.   So in the case of Trump, GOP loyalists are actually voting for a vindictive, loose-cannon, narcissistic traitor who is the only PotUS in our history who has attempted to steal a US presidential election with coercion, fraud, lying, and incitement.   

( And of course, the 'rebuttal' will (pathetically) try to equate Biden as being as bad as Trump. )

 
 
 
Greg Jones
Professor Participates
3.2.60  Greg Jones  replied to  TᵢG @3.2.33    8 months ago
"When dealing with an indictment and a trial, the single most important element is the wrongdoing itself." No, the most important element is the verdict.
 
 
 
Greg Jones
Professor Participates
3.2.61  Greg Jones  replied to  TᵢG @3.2.59    8 months ago

Biden is much worse for the country than Trump, and everyone with half a brain knows it

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.2.62  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  TᵢG @3.2.35    8 months ago
You ask peripheral questions while ignoring the 800lb gorilla in the room.

No that happens to be YOU. The country has all but been destroyed and you are laser focused on "getting Trump."


Meanwhile, I fully expect Trump supporters to deny the trial, call it rigged, call it political, etc.

I expect a lot of independents who don't like Trump to end up voting for him, precisely because of this exercise in lawfare.


Pure partisan nonsense by those who claim support for the rule of law.

Only partisans and radicals would weaponize and debase the law. Thirty years ago, you would never have gotten away with it.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.2.63  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Thomas @3.2.32    8 months ago
Blah Blah Blah

That sounds like the cry of surrender.  Sorry, I'm not taking any prisoners.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.2.64  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Robert in Ohio @3.2.43    8 months ago

Bob, you've done it again!  Logic only makes them crazier.

They'll be telling you that the people's choice deserved it all, even death.

Let us watch.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
3.2.65  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.2.62    8 months ago
No that happens to be YOU. The country has all but been destroyed and you are laser focused on "getting Trump."

I am laser focused on preventing a vindictive, loose-cannon, narcissistic traitor from gaining the powers of the presidency.

The country has all but been destroyed ...

Is it possible to be more melodramatic here??

Thirty years ago, you would never have gotten away with it.

Are you attempting to accuse me of wanting the law weaponized and debased?   Better hold down your rhetoric, Vic.   It is one thing for you to believe such hyperbolic nonsense, but it is very different for you to accuse others of wanting what you have imagined.

 
 
 
Gsquared
Professor Principal
3.2.66  Gsquared  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.2.21    8 months ago

I can't wait to see the replican word of the month for May.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.2.67  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Gsquared @3.2.66    8 months ago

Try "patronage politics."

AKA buying votes with debt forgiveness.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
4  seeder  Vic Eldred    8 months ago

Notice that the seeded article lists the key donors. Left wing media hasn't been so open about the Biden donors.

Forbes has provided some transparency:

The 230 Biden backers include the founders of companies like Patagonia, DoorDash and Netflix, Democratic megadonors like  George Soros  and  Henry Laufer , as well as billionaire members of some of the country’s  richest families  like the Waltons, the Pritzkers and the Lauders. Broadly, they tended to hail from the coasts. More than one third live in California. Another 27% are based in New York. It makes sense, then, that about a quarter of them got rich in tech and a third made their fortunes in finance. On average, the billionaires gave about $170,000 to the Biden campaign and its joint-fundraising committees, which split their receipts with the Democratic Party.

Some donors did more than just write checks. After losing to Biden in the primary, Tom Steyer  hosted  fundraisers for his former foe. Nicole Systrom, who is married to Instagram founder  Kevin Systrom , joined Steyer for at least one event. Before the pandemic, these sorts of events could be held at a donor’s home. Or, in the case of billionaire real estate broker  George Marcus , who hosted Biden in 2019, at a restaurant he owned in California. Eventually, the Democratic front-runner shifted his events to video calls, where he or Kamala Harris would hop on the line to make a speech and take questions. Other billionaire hosts included former Commerce Secretary  Penny Pritzker  and Blackstone executive  Hamilton James .

Some of Biden’s donors also became so-called bundlers by rallying others to open their wallets. At least ten billionaires helped raise an additional $100,000, according to a  list  released by the campaign. Hedge funder  Stephen Mandel , venture capitalist  John Doerr  and Chicago real estate magnate  Neil Bluhm  all helped gather money from associates.

At least 60 Biden donors also contributed to some of the major pro-Biden super-PACs. Those groups can’t coordinate with campaigns directly, but they can accept and spend unlimited sums. Facebook cofounder  Dustin Moskovitz  gave $47 million to one super-PAC. LinkedIn cofounder  Reid Hoffman  poured more than $7 million into other pro-Biden super-PACs and into ads opposing Trump.  Mike Bloomberg  never donated directly to Biden’s campaign, but he threw $100 million into super-PACs supporting the Democratic nominee.

Here Are The Billionaires Who Donated To Joe Biden’s 2020 Presidential Campaign (forbes.com)

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Guide
4.1  MrFrost  replied to  Vic Eldred @4    8 months ago

So?

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
4.2  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @4    8 months ago

Does it surprise you that there are billionaires who contribute to D candidates as well as those who contribute to R candidates?

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
4.2.1  devangelical  replied to  TᵢG @4.2    8 months ago

I don't think those R billionaires have any name recognition on maga media...

it also seems like the widow adelson is holding back this year.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
4.2.2  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  TᵢG @4.2    8 months ago

It surprises me that big business is now with the democrat party.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
4.2.3  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.2.2    8 months ago
It surprises me that big business is now with the democrat party.

Big business is with both parties Vic.   They always have been and likely always will be.

Money buys influence and both parties have plenty of business in the USA seeking influence.

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
4.2.4  JBB  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.2.2    8 months ago

Who do you think donated that fifty million dollars to Trump the other night? It sure as hell was not "Small Businesses"! 

 
 
 
Igknorantzruls
Sophomore Quiet
4.2.5  Igknorantzruls  replied to  TᵢG @4.2.3    8 months ago

did Vic edit his post, ? i don't see where his quote originated from

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
4.2.6  TᵢG  replied to  Igknorantzruls @4.2.5    8 months ago

I must have had that in my clipboard.   I was intending to quote the prior comment.

Fixed it.

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
4.2.7  JBB  replied to  TᵢG @4.2.6    8 months ago

What could you say to Vic basically asking, "Why oh why Lord are those mean old terrible awful no good low down Democrats so mean to poor innocent well meaning Honest Don Trump"?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
4.2.8  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  TᵢG @4.2.3    8 months ago

Why would big business back a political party that is influenced by Marxists & Socialists?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
4.2.9  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  JBB @4.2.7    8 months ago

Read post 3.2.21

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
4.2.10  JBB  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.2.9    8 months ago

I am not impressed by words made up to defend a criminal!

A guilty criminal!

But, I do hear you...

original

 
 
 
arkpdx
Professor Quiet
4.2.11  arkpdx  replied to  JBB @4.2.10    8 months ago
 A guilty criminal! And what crime was committed and when and where was the trial that convicted. 
 
 
 
Igknorantzruls
Sophomore Quiet
4.2.12  Igknorantzruls  replied to  arkpdx @4.2.11    8 months ago

Trump has openly admitted to taking Top Secret Documents to Mar Largo, with fourteen different explanations as to why, and all the while, there is not a reason, unless using Trumps' flawed logic of him magically just thinking of declassifying documents makes them so, and even that defensive thought , like a witch, won't float. His former fixer lawyer went to prison for the crime he will be charged with in a week, but, i'll believe it when i see it. ( Trump and cump, actually allowing one

of his vast many, to move forward, while he, attempts to slow down or evade, you know, the facts that he had to pay $130,000.00 to get laid, )

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
4.2.13  devangelical  replied to  JBB @4.2.10    8 months ago

meh, that should turn over a few neighborhoods and free up some nursing home space...

 
 
 
Thomas
Masters Guide
4.2.14  Thomas  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.2.8    8 months ago

Why would big business back a political party that is influenced by Marxists & Socialists?

Because come November, it won't be the Republican Party of Donald Trump in power. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
4.2.15  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.2.8    8 months ago

First you need to define what you mean by 'Marxist' and 'Socialist' so that I know what you are asking.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
4.2.16  TᵢG  replied to  Thomas @4.2.14    8 months ago

One can only hope.

 
 
 
Thomas
Masters Guide
4.2.17  Thomas  replied to  TᵢG @4.2.16    8 months ago

One can also work towards that eventuality.

jrSmiley_82_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Thomas
Masters Guide
4.2.18  Thomas  replied to  Igknorantzruls @4.2.12    8 months ago
 the facts that he had to pay $130,000.00 to get laid, 

They do that if you are rich

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
4.2.19  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Thomas @4.2.18    8 months ago

And then got some $62K profit from the whole thing all said and done.

 
 
 
Thomas
Masters Guide
4.2.20  Thomas  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @4.2.19    8 months ago
And then got some $62K profit from the whole thing all said and done.

Trump must be an expensive fuck.

 
 
 
Igknorantzruls
Sophomore Quiet
4.2.21  Igknorantzruls  replied to  Thomas @4.2.20    8 months ago
Trump must be an expensive fuck.

said every woman that accepts a Penny, except girls without any, self respect, morals, or values 

their assets weigh high, while deflating for a tax guy, but would never ever LIE

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
4.2.22  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Thomas @4.2.20    8 months ago

He was for Ms. Daniels.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
4.2.23  Tessylo  replied to  Thomas @4.2.20    8 months ago

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Tessylo
Professor Principal
4.2.24  Tessylo  replied to  Thomas @4.2.20    8 months ago

He told her that he reminded him of Ivanka - probably Ms. Caroll resembled her also which is probably why he sexually assaulted her.  Most of the women he sexually assaults probably resemble Ivanka.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
4.2.25  Tessylo  replied to  Thomas @4.2.20    8 months ago

He sure has to pay a lot to get laid.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Masters Guide
4.2.26  Right Down the Center  replied to  Tessylo @4.2.24    8 months ago

Nothing like a lunch time completely made up conspiracy theory

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
4.2.27  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Tessylo @4.2.24    8 months ago
He told her that he reminded him of Ivanka

He reminded himself of Ivanka? That's weird.

 
 

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