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Protest Politics

  

Category:  Op/Ed

By:  vic-eldred  •  2 weeks ago  •  131 comments

Protest Politics
"This is a movement from the left. These are radical left lunatics, and they've got to be stopped now because it's going to go on and on."......Donald Trump


Yesterday saw more chaos and violence on American universities as university administrators tried to grapple with the very problem they helped to create. The so-called adults who celebrated the "passion" of those who spat at the police and looted and vandalized America during the 2020 riots created what we have been watching for the past 9 days.  In red states the police were called in and campuses were cleared. In other places universities made deals with the antisemitic mobs, in some cases agreeing to award scholarships and teaching positions to Palestinians. A three-day standoff at UCLA ended with police overcoming barricades set up by the mob, which finally ended with 200 arrests. At Columbia University protestors called for the "intifada revolution," chanting, "From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free." At Alabama University antisemitic protestors joined Jewish students in chanting "Fuck you, Joe Biden."

After nine days, Joe Bidens advisers realized it was time for the president to make a statement on the obvious crisis. One could assume that even Joe Biden knew it, since the only news he watches is the Morning Joe propaganda show. Right now, Joe Scarborough is keenly aware that the campus unrest could cost Biden the election.


So, Biden spoke only a few miles from where a statue of George Washington had been desecrated with Palestinian flags & symbols. The president only spoke for 4 minutes.

He said the following:

"There should be no place on any campus, no place in America for antisemitism or threats of violence against Jewish students," Biden said. "There is no place for hate speech or violence of any kind, whether it’s antisemitism, Islamophobia or discrimination against Arab-Americans or Palestinian-Americans. It’s simply wrong. There’s no place for racism in America. It’s all wrong. It’s un-American."

Biden brings up Islamophobia amid the worst antisemitism outbreak in decades | Fox News


Biden took one question regarding US policy in the middle east and then left as reporters shouted more questions. Immediately following his strange condemnation, Harvard Professor Alan Dershowitz felt the need to respond to what the president had just said:

"Why can’t President Biden simply denounce antisemitism without pandering to Muslims and Arabs," Dershowitz posted on X, before later saying the crisis at hand was about antisemitism, discrimination and violence against Jews, not other groups. "Why won’t he just condemn Jew hatred?"

Biden brings up Islamophobia amid the worst antisemitism outbreak in decades | Fox News


Meanwhile after the former President had once again, been stuck in court all day, still full of energy, he decided to walk from the courthouse to a NYC Fire Station delivering pizzas to the fire fighters.

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Before delivering the Pizza, Trump made comments on the campus riots that were much different than those of Joe Biden:

"This is a movement from the left. These are radical left lunatics, and they've got to be stopped now because it's going to go on and on. And it's going to get worse, and worse," Trump said Thursday morning outside of a  Manhattan courtroom where he is standing trial .

"And, you know, they take over countries, and we're not letting them take over the USA. We're not letting the radical left morons take over this country."

Trump slams 'radical left lunatics' creating chaos on college campuses nationwide (yahoo.com)


In other news:

The Biden administration is turning up the heat on Hamas to accept a deal. Secretary of State Blinken said as he arrived that the Biden administration was "determined" to see Hamas and Israel agree to a cease-fire in the conflict.

US v Google: The government argues that Google has used illegal and unfair means to protect its dominant position in internet search. Among other things, the government’s case has cast a spotlight on the company’s close relationship with Apple. Google acts as the default search engine for both iPhones and for Apple’s Safari search engine and in return pays Apple an astonishing amount of money—more than $20 billion in 2022, according to testimony in the case.

U.S. v. Google Antitrust Case Heads to Final Argument. The Stakes Are Sky High. (msn.com)

Almost seven months into the war in Gaza, Israelis are flocking to combat units in the Israeli Defense Forces at higher than expected numbers. The IDF published data on April 30  reflecting  the percentage of recruits for various units in the army over the last two months. The data showed that men and women in Israel were seeking higher than expected recruitment to combat units, a choice which requires them to meet certain standards of fitness and complete other tests depending on the unit.

IDF combat unit recruitment attracts record number of Israeli men and women | FDD's Long War Journal

China launched a probe to the far side of the moon.


The head of a major  Iranian university  reportedly offered scholarships to students expelled from U.S. and European universities over anti-Israel protests broiling with antisemitism.  

Iran offers scholarships to students expelled from US, European universities over anti-Israel protests: report | Fox News



 



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Vic Eldred
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1  author  Vic Eldred    2 weeks ago

Good morning.

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Trump’s attorney Emil Bove: 

At what point will we get a witness to an actual crime who actually dealt with Trump?

Right now, this entire prosecution has been speculation.

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.1  devangelical  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    2 weeks ago
he decided to walk from the courthouse to a NYC Fire Station delivering pizzas to the fire fighters.

"look honey, I got my picture taken with the first former POTUS to ever become a criminal defendant in a trial"

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  devangelical @1.1    2 weeks ago

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Tessylo
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1.1.2  Tessylo  replied to  devangelical @1.1    2 weeks ago

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Buzz of the Orient
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1.2  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    2 weeks ago

It's about time it was realized that there will NEVER be an end to racism in America, and there will NEVER be an end to antisemitism everywhere in the world except maybe in Israel.  It's also about time that Biden becomes more focused on stopping America's students from supporting terrorists than he is desperately trying to be re-elected - a little integrity would be helpful.  This situation is NOT like the Vietnam war. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2  JohnRussell    2 weeks ago

"Why can’t President Biden simply denounce antisemitism without pandering to Muslims and Arabs," Dershowitz posted"

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When we think of Islam we think of a faith that brings comfort to a billion people around the world. Billions of people find comfort and solace and peace.

George Bush II

Sep 17 2001
 
 
 
Ronin2
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2.1  Ronin2  replied to  JohnRussell @2    2 weeks ago

You think that Bush was expecting the Arab vote? jrSmiley_86_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
2.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @2    2 weeks ago

Clearly George W didn't say that after a binge of antisemitism on college campuses.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
2.2.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.2    2 weeks ago

I think you are missing the point. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
2.2.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @2.2.1    2 weeks ago

No, I think you are trying to cover Joe's ass again.

Those so-called students are calling for an intifada. Trump got it right. The antisemitism comes from the left.

And Dershowitz got it right. It is ALL ABOUT ANTISEMITISM NOT ISLAMAFOBIA.

 
 
 
Ronin2
Professor Quiet
2.2.3  Ronin2  replied to  JohnRussell @2.2.1    2 weeks ago

The point is your lack of context.

Bush Jr made his comment after 9/11- when fear of Muslims and anyone even looking Arabic was at it's height.

So please tell us again how Bush was pandering to Muslims and Arabs.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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2.2.4  Right Down the Center  replied to  JohnRussell @2.2.1    2 weeks ago

Actually you have no valid point.  Trying to compare what was going on in 2001 and now on the campuses is ridiculous.

 
 
 
Snuffy
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2.3  Snuffy  replied to  JohnRussell @2    2 weeks ago

Well gosh darn..  Joe just had another 'good people on both sides' moment. 

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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2.4  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @2    2 weeks ago

Sounds like you agree with Bush's assessment. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
3  JohnRussell    2 weeks ago
Meanwhile after the former President had once again, been stuck in court all day, still full of energy,

Trump fell asleep in court again yesterday. 

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
3.1  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  JohnRussell @3    2 weeks ago

Don't blame him. I probably would too.

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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3.1.1  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.1    2 weeks ago

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Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
3.1.2  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @3.1.1    2 weeks ago

What good does it do him to be there? He can't react. All he may be able to do it talk to his lawyers to dispute something. It is a shit case and quite snooze-worthy I am sure.

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
3.1.3  Sparty On  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.1.2    2 weeks ago

It truly is a travesty of justice how the court has gagged him and only him.    Meanwhile they are allowing dipshits like Cohen to make Tiktoc videos about it.

Truly FUBAR …….

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.1.4  JohnRussell  replied to  Sparty On @3.1.3    2 weeks ago
t truly is a travesty of justice how the court has gagged him and only him.

He is a lunatic. [deleted][]

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.1.5  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Sparty On @3.1.3    2 weeks ago

They wish prison and torture on him.

 
 
 
devangelical
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3.1.6  devangelical  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.5    2 weeks ago

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Sparty On
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3.1.7  Sparty On  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.4    2 weeks ago

Meanwhile,Hillary sits back, sipping on a mint julep, watching with amusement as her useful idiots do her dirty work.

Hilarious.

 
 
 
George
Junior Expert
3.1.8  George  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.5    2 weeks ago

Biden would probably enjoy prison until he realized those people in the shower with him aren’t his teenage daughter Ashley, but then again he’s so far gone he may not figure it out.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.1.9  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  George @3.1.8    2 weeks ago

He wouldn't last a single day in prison, which is ironic considering what he has done to the country.

If he ever had to go there (which he won't), my advice would be to spit at a guard and get himself into solitary confinement. It is the only way he could survive.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
3.1.10  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.9    2 weeks ago
He wouldn't last a single day in prison

Forget prison, Trump cant last a single day in court without whining like a little bitch. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.1.11  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.10    2 weeks ago

You'd feel the same way John if you made a withdrawal out of your bank account and we hauled you into court and charged you with bank robbery.

That is called a perfect analogy btw.

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
Professor Guide
3.1.12  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.1.2    2 weeks ago

What good does it do him to be there?

It should compel him to understand just how not special of a criminal he is.  Unfortunately Trump lives in an unburstable bubble.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
3.1.13  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.5    2 weeks ago
They wish prison and torture on him.

Why is Trump exempt from the rules?   Why is it wrong to prosecute Trump for his wrongdoings to determine if they are indeed criminal and to then make the appropriate sentencing?   This is a real trial, with a real judge, jury, prosecuting and defense attorneys.   This is our system operating as it should.

Trump should abide by the rules rather than open his mouth and publicly demean and intimidate individuals.   But he cannot stop himself.   This moron even continues to bad mouth the judge presiding over his case.   What kind of nutcase does that?    And you want this clown to be PotUS??


As I have noted, I do not care much about the wrongdoings of private citizen Trump but rather the wrongdoings of Trump as PotUS.    But unfortunately with all the delays, we are stuck with the private citizen trials.

Trump attempted to steal the 2020 election with coercion, fraud, lying, and incitement.   This is what we should be focusing on.   

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.1.14  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  TᵢG @3.1.13    2 weeks ago

I keep asking myself why this judge is violating laws and norms in this show trial. Surely any guilty verdict will be overturned on appeal.

The answer is right there. He and the other thugs don't care about the appeal: THAT COMES AFTER THE ELECTION.

 
 
 
evilone
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3.1.15  evilone  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.14    2 weeks ago
I keep asking myself why this judge is violating laws and norms in this show trial.

Please list the specific NY law(s) the judge is violating. 

Surely any guilty verdict will be overturned on appeal.

And if it's not?

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
3.1.16  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.14    2 weeks ago
I keep asking myself why this judge is violating laws and norms in this show trial.

What, specifically, do you think the judge is doing wrong?

The fact that you call him a thug suggests incredible, reality-distorting bias.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.1.17  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  evilone @3.1.15    2 weeks ago
Please list the specific NY law(s) the judge is violating. 

There are only four instances listed under the rules, however, where the recusal doctrine is an absolute bar to the judge’s participation in a case. In such situations, even the parties cannot stipulate to permit the judge to hear the case. A judge absolutely may not preside over cases where

(1) the judge has a personal bias or prejudice concerning a party;

(2) the judge served as a lawyer in the matter in controversy;

(3) the judge has been a material witness concerning it; or

(4) the judge knows that the judge or the judge’s spouse, or a person known by the judge to be within the sixth degree of relationship to either of them, or the spouse of such a person, is a party to the proceeding.

[22 NYCRR 100.3(E)(1)(a)(i), (b)(i), (iii), (d)(i).]

Judicial Ethics in New York State — Part 2 | New York Legal Ethics Reporter | New York Legal Ethics


And beyond that the DA Alvin Bragg has no authority to hold a state trial on federal election violations.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.1.18  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  TᵢG @3.1.16    2 weeks ago
What, specifically, do you think the judge is doing wrong?

Four things specifically.

1) the point on recusal in post 3.1.17. (He donated to Biden and his daughter makes millions working for democrats.)

2) his gag order is overly broad, and it has been placed on the defendant. It is supposed to protect the defendant.

3) he allowed a lot of damaging but irrelevant material to be entered into evidence such as the Access Hollywood tapes.

4) demanding that Trump be there every day during a political campaign.


Nobody believes that Trump drew him randomly, he was already involved in another case where a Trump organization CFO was intimidated into a plea deal.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
3.1.19  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.18    2 weeks ago
Four things specifically.
  1. You think a judge should recuse himself from a case if he contributed to the DNC or his daughter works in a D favorable position?    There would be a lot of recusals going on if we force judges to be politically aligned with their defendants.
  2. Trump is pushing the envelope.   There would be no gag order at all if not for Trump's outrageous behavior.   Trump, as usual, brings this on himself.
  3. Armchair judging now, Vic?  (And the tapes themselves were not allowed as the prosecution wanted, only the reading of excerpts.)
  4. This is a criminal trial.   It is the normal case that the defendant be onsite during a criminal trial in New York.
Nobody believes that Trump drew him randomly, he was already involved in another case where a Trump organization CFO was intimidated into a plea deal.

Of course, conspiracy theory too.

Vic, the simple reality is that Trump is out-of-control.   He pushes limits, plays all sorts of legal and financial games, engages in myriad dishonest practices and sometimes gets caught up in his own shit.   This is an example of citizen Trump getting caught in his own shit.

If one pays off women to remain silent out of concern that it would derail a political campaign and then engages in shady accounting to cover-up the payment then it is not at all strange if that comes back to bite you on your butt.

And again, I will remind you, I wish these cases were sidebars because the important case is the Jan 6 case which quite likely will be successfully impeded until after the election due to extrajudicial catering to Trump.   And if Trump wins, justice will be terminated.   That should bug you, but I am sure it does not.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.1.20  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  TᵢG @3.1.19    2 weeks ago
You think a judge should recuse himself from a case if he contributed to the DNC or his daughter works in a D favorable position?    There would be a lot of recusals going on if we force judges to be politically aligned with their defendants.

As I showed you in post 3.1.17 that New York law dictates that he must recuse himself in such instances. It is amazing what some people refuse to accept.

Trump is pushing the envelope.   There would be no gag order at all if not for Trump's outrageous behavior.   Trump, as usual, brings this on himself.

Again, you refuse to accept facts and ignore what I take the time to point out:

The purpose of a gag order is to protect the defendant:

A gag order is issued by the court to order individuals involved with a civil or criminal court case to refrain from disclosing certain information to the public, or to the press. People who are commonly the targets of gag orders include witnesses, attorneys, law enforcement officials, jurors, and other parties to a legal matter. Gag orders, sometimes referred to as “protective orders,” are a tool commonly used by judges to protect individuals’ right to a fair trial , to protect a company’s trade secrets, or to protect the identity and privacy of minors and victims.

Gag Order - Definition, Examples, Cases, Processes (legaldictionary.net)


Armchair judging now, Vic?  (And the tapes themselves were not allowed as the prosecution wanted, only the reading of excerpts.)

You know very well, as does judge Merchan, that the prosecution doesn't really need the tapes if it can read excerpts, which constantly reminds the jury of the infamous tapes that were released during the 2016 campaign to destroy Trump. The prosecution has taken full advantage of that to keep casting the former President in the worst possible light. I don't know of many judges that even allow the prosecution to mention past controversies or even offenses in criminal cases. Even when somebody is on trial for assault and has committed it 20 times in the past, judges keep past offenses out of the case, but here judge Merchan allows everything, and he is also allowing the prosecution to proceed without specifying what the so-called crime that they allege Trump was trying to hide. The defense is left not knowing how to prepare a case when they don't know where the hidden crime is.


This is a criminal trial.   It is the normal case that the defendant be onsite during a criminal trial in New York.

Why not give us a link, like I did with the NY law on recusal?


Of course, conspiracy theory too.

"Conspiracy" is always your little euphemism for things like the obvious lawfare being waged against Trump. Fortunately, it has backfired. That is why the prosecution does not want Trump jailed for violating the unconstitutional "gag order."  They know that Trump is rapidly gaining votes because of this prosecutorial malfeasance.


Vic, the simple reality is that Trump is out-of-control.   He pushes limits, plays all sorts of legal and financial games, engages in myriad dishonest practices and sometimes gets caught up in his own shit.   This is an example of citizen Trump getting caught in his own shit.

If one pays off women to remain silent out of concern that it would derail a political campaign and then engages in shady accounting to cover-up the payment then it is not at all strange if that comes back to bite you on your butt.

And again, I will remind you, I wish these cases were sidebars because the important case is the Jan 6 case which quite likely will be successfully impeded until after the election due to extrajudicial catering to Trump.   And if Trump wins, justice will be terminated.   That should bug you, but I am sure it does not.


TiG, the simple truth is that since Trump came down the escalator democrats have been willing to lie, cheat and weaponize the judicial system to get Trump. The people see it. The coming defeat of Joe Biden, the deep blue state and the radical left will be justice served and it will have never been better served.




 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
3.1.21  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.20    2 weeks ago
As I showed you in post 3.1.17 that New York law dictates that he must recuse himself in such instances. It is amazing what some people refuse to accept.

First, Vic, you seem to impose your own meaning to the phrase "party to the proceedings".   The judge's daughter is not a party to the proceedings.   Second, if the judge must mandatorily recuse himself then this would have been dealt with legally.   The fact is that Trump's attorneys argued reasons that would fall under voluntary recusal and the judge, appropriately, denied to recuse himself simply because of his daughter's employment.

You are grasping at straws.

Again, you refuse to accept facts and ignore what I take the time to point out:

You put forth bullshit and call it fact.

The purpose of a gag order is to protect  the defendant:

The purpose of the gag order is to protect the fairness of the trial.   If the defendant is using his celebrity-based megaphone to intimidate witnesses and court operatives, that is influencing the fairness of the trial.   You again take a narrow view of things and conclude that the judge is engaging in foul play.

You know very well, as does judge Merchan, that the prosecution doesn't really need the tapes if it can read excerpts, which constantly reminds the jury of the infamous tapes that were released during the 2016 campaign to destroy Trump. 

I already told you that the tapes were not played.   Excerpts were read.   Further, this is what judges do.   You playing armchair judge is not persuasive.

The prosecution has taken full advantage of that to keep casting the former President in the worst possible light.

Trump is his own worst enemy.   His behavior is outrageous.   His actions are predatory and exploitive.   His view of women seems entirely appropriate for a trial in which he is accused of falsifying the payment of hush money to hide his infidelity from the public.

Why not give us a link, like I did with the NY law on recusal?

You need a link to know that it is by default mandatory for a NY defendant to be onsite during his criminal trial??   You do not know this is true?   You could not look this up yourself?   A feeble bluff:

"Conspiracy" is always your little euphemism for things like the obvious lawfare being waged against Trump.

No it is the label I use when someone extrapolates well beyond the facts into an unusual hypothesis that supports their predispositions.

TiG, the simple truth is that since Trump came down the escalator democrats have been willing to lie, cheat and weaponize the judicial system to get Trump.

The simple truth IMO is that you know you are stuck with Trump as the GOP nominee and will thus do whatever you can now to attempt to defend him.   You are trying to defend a scoundrel and a traitor.   Trump is the only PotUS in our history who tried to steal a presidential election through fraud, coercion, lying, and incitement.  He threw the nation and the CotUS under the bus in an attempt to spare his ego.   He does not care about anyone but himself and that is shown in his lifelong exploitation of people.   

He clearly cooks his books, cheats on Melania, and pretty much will do anything he thinks he can get away with.   This is an abysmal character who should never be given any political power, much less the presidency.

To try to defend this pathological lying, malignant narcissist and pretend that he has done no wrong and that this is all some grand conspiracy is not holding true to reality.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
3.1.22  Tessylo  replied to  TᵢG @3.1.16    2 weeks ago

The former 'president' is the thug here.

 
 
 
evilone
Professor Guide
3.1.23  evilone  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.17    2 weeks ago
There are only four instances listed under the rules, however, where the recusal doctrine is an absolute bar to the judge’s participation in a case. In such situations, even the parties cannot stipulate to permit the judge to hear the case. A judge absolutely may not preside over cases where...

TiG did a fantastic job of explaining this. I'm not going to rehash it.

...DA Alvin Bragg has no authority to hold a state trial on federal election violations.

The charges the DA has brought forth are not federal election violations. They are 34 state charges of fraudulent business bookkeeping to cover-up the federal election violations Cohen and Pecker committed. Well within his jurisdiction and authority.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
3.1.24  Sean Treacy  replied to  evilone @3.1.23    2 weeks ago
re 34 state charges of fraudulent business bookkeeping

The prosecution has called witnesses for two weeks. how many questions were asked about business records?

ookkeeping to cover-up the federal election violations Cohen and Pecker committed

Where is that alleged in the indictment? 

 
 
 
evilone
Professor Guide
3.1.25  evilone  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.1.24    2 weeks ago
The prosecution has called witnesses for two weeks. how many questions were asked about business records?

You know as well as everyone how trials work. This phase of the trial is covered in the introduction of the charges. It lays out the foundation of the case and motivations of people involved, including Trump.

Where is that alleged in the indictment? 

In the introduction to the charges. 

INTRODUCTION

1. The defendant DONALD J. TRUMP repeatedly and fraudulently falsified New York business records to conceal criminal conduct that hid damaging information from the voting public during the 2016 presidential election.

2. From August 2015 to December 2017, the Defendant orchestrated a scheme with others to influence the 2016 presidential election by identifying and purchasing negative information about him to suppress its publication and benefit the Defendant’s electoral prospects.  In order to execute the unlawful scheme, the participants violated election laws and made and caused false entries in the business records of various entities in New York.  The participants also took steps that mischaracterized, for tax purposes, the true nature of the payments made in furtherance of the scheme.

3. One component of this scheme was that, at the Defendant’s request, a lawyer who then worked for the Trump Organization as Special Counsel to Defendant (“Lawyer A”), covertly paid $130,000 to an adult film actress shortly before the election to prevent her from publicizing a sexual encounter with the Defendant.  Lawyer A made the $130,000 payment through a shell corporation he set up and funded at a bank in Manhattan.  This payment was illegal, and Lawyer A has since pleaded guilty to making an illegal campaign contribution and 1 served time in prison.  Further, false entries were made in New York business records to effectuate this payment, separate and apart from the New York business records used to conceal the payment.

4. After the election, the Defendant reimbursed Lawyer A for the illegal payment through a series of monthly checks, first from the Donald J. Trump Revocable Trust (the “Defendant’s Trust”)—a Trust created under the laws of New York which held the Trump Organization entity assets after the Defendant was elected President—and then from the Defendant’s bank account.  Each check was processed by the Trump Organization, and each check was disguised as a payment for legal services rendered in a given month of 2017 pursuant to a retainer agreement.  The payment records, kept and maintained by the Trump Organization, were false New York business records.  In truth, there was no retainer agreement, and Lawyer A was not being paid for legal services rendered in 2017.  The Defendant caused his entities’ business records to be falsified to disguise his and others’ criminal conduct.  
 
 
 
Ronin2
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3.2  Ronin2  replied to  JohnRussell @3    2 weeks ago

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JohnRussell
Professor Principal
3.2.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Ronin2 @3.2    2 weeks ago
a Democrat shit show kangaroo court trial.

When you are MAGA the whole world outside of MAGA looks like a kangaroo court. 

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
3.2.2  Sparty On  replied to  Ronin2 @3.2    2 weeks ago
Only low intelligence TDS driven mighty mental midgets find this shit show captivating.

Useful idiots are easily entertained.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.2.3  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @3.2.1    2 weeks ago

When you are a radical leftist, you easily believe Bull Shit.

 
 
 
Ronin2
Professor Quiet
3.2.4  Ronin2  replied to  JohnRussell @3.2.1    2 weeks ago

I am not MAGA.

I am anti Democrat/leftist.

I actually believe in the rule of law and Constitution.

Democrats/leftists don't.

If Democrats ever get back to wanting the laws to apply to everyone equally; and stop using the FBI, CIA, DOJ, and IRS against their political opponents- I might think about voting for one again.

I will not hold my breath in the meantime.

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
3.2.5  Sparty On  replied to  Ronin2 @3.2.4    2 weeks ago

Nah, in their minds you are MAGA if every other post here isn’t bagging non stop[]

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Senior Guide
3.2.6  Right Down the Center  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.2.3    2 weeks ago
When you are a radical leftist, you easily believe Bull Shit.

Karine Jean-Pierre proves that every day

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Senior Guide
3.2.7  Right Down the Center  replied to  Ronin2 @3.2.4    2 weeks ago

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Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.2.8  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Right Down the Center @3.2.6    2 weeks ago

Supposedly Biden advisers wanted to oust her.

Clue: It wasn't for the reasons that she was hired.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.3  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @3    2 weeks ago

I would do the same. 

The question still remains: Was a crime committed?

So far Trump's layers have shown how common it is for outlets like The Inquirer to handle stories and subjects.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Senior Guide
3.4  Right Down the Center  replied to  JohnRussell @3    2 weeks ago
Trump fell asleep in court again yesterday. 

Joe falls asleep during breakfast and his minions are constantly saving him from drowning in his oatmeal.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
3.4.1  devangelical  replied to  Right Down the Center @3.4    2 weeks ago
falls asleep during breakfast and his minions are constantly saving him

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.4.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  devangelical @3.4.1    2 weeks ago

Tell your friend that I don't believe her anymore.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Expert
4  Jeremy Retired in NC    2 weeks ago
The Biden administration is turning up the heat on Hamas to accept a deal.

That's called negotationg with terrorists.  And funny enough the last time this happened Traitor Joe was VP and the POTUS was a democrat.  And it was for a deserter.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
5  JohnRussell    2 weeks ago
At what point will we get a witness to an actual crime who actually dealt with Trump?


Ever heard of Michael Cohen ? 

-

Right now, this entire prosecution has been speculation.

Trumpland wants us to believe that Cohen went rogue and paid a large sum of his own money to a prostitute , to keep her quiet ( a week or two before the election) about having sex with Trump , because he was upset that Trump didnt offer him a job in Washington if Trump won the election. 

Everyone is not as dumb as some Trump supporters. 

 
 
 
Ronin2
Professor Quiet
5.1  Ronin2  replied to  JohnRussell @5    2 weeks ago
Ever heard of Michael Cohen ? 

You mean the guy to lied to Congress repeatedly; and a special prosecutor? 

Pauley concluded the hearing with instructions for Cohen to voluntarily surrender by March 6. Saying that he will recommend Cohen serve his term in Otisville, the judge also imposed a $1.4 million restitution order for unpaid taxes, as well as $500,000 in forfeiture for lying to a financial institution to receive a home-equity loan. Cohen also must pay two fines of $50,000 apiece - one for the case in the Southern District of New York and another for the one out of Special Counsel Robert Mueller's office.

Democrats do love their criminals, and serial liars as well. Only Democrat would consider Cohen a viable main witness.

Everyone is not as dumb as some Trump supporters. 

Democrats must believe everyone is as stupid as their followers for even attempting this kangaroo court shit show.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
5.1.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Ronin2 @5.1    2 weeks ago
You mean the guy to lied to Congress repeatedly;

for Christs sake - he lied on behalf of Trump. 

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
5.1.2  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.1    2 weeks ago

"The boss told me to do it" didn't work for those under Hitler's command. They were hunted down and prosecuted for their part in the genocide.

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
5.1.3  Sparty On  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.1    2 weeks ago

A proven liar …. Trumps lawyers will eat him alive if the judge allows it to happen as he should.

This trial is a joke.    Just like the people who think it isn’t.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
5.1.4  JohnRussell  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @5.1.2    2 weeks ago
"The boss told me to do it" didn't work for those under Hitler's command.

It didnt work for Hitler either. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
5.1.5  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.1    2 weeks ago

He lied a few times for various reasons.

In addition to lying, he has a financial incentive to criticize the former president and one of Trump's layers got him to admit to that fact earlier.

Trump Ex-‘Fixer’ Michael Cohen Admits To Lying Under Oath—And Then Denies It—In Testy Fraud Trial Testimony (forbes.com)

 
 
 
Ronin2
Professor Quiet
5.1.6  Ronin2  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.1    2 weeks ago

No, he lied on behalf of himself.

Period, full stop.

He is also proving to be dumb as the day is long. Seems everyone is able to say what they want about the trial, except Trump. Great judge Democrats have there.

According to former federal prosecutor Joyce Vance, Trump’s former fixer turned star witness Michael Cohen may need the same kind of restrictions in order to keep his gossip and jabs at Trump off the internet.

“Witnesses need to keep their mouths shut until they are in the courtroom,” Vance said on  The Insider Podcast  Tuesday, adding that Cohen’s comments online could very well become “fodder” for Trump’s attorneys.

And there seems to be plenty of material for Trump attorney Todd Blanche to choose from. On Thursday, Blanche began rolling through some of the evidence, airing a mess of inflammatory social media posts made by Cohen about his former boss throughout the month of April. That included posts that referred to Trump by Cohen’s nickname for him—“Von ShitzInPantz”—and a retweet of another that lambasted him as a “racist jackass who referred to African nations as ‘shithole countries,’” in light of Trump’s attempt to liken himself to Nelson Mandela.

Democrats do love their criminals- especially when they are used to go after Trump.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
5.1.7  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.4    2 weeks ago

Hitler never went on trial.

He robbed the allies of that.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
5.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @5    2 weeks ago
Ever heard of Michael Cohen ? 

The guy who was convicted of perjury?

Everyone has heard of him. OMG, don't tell us that he is the star witness.


Trumpland wants us to believe that Cohen went rogue and paid a large sum of his own money to a prostitute , to keep her quiet ( a week or two before the election) about having sex with Trump , because he was upset that Trump didnt offer him a job in Washington if Trump won the election. 

No John, any lawyer who is worth his retainer will argue that non-disclosure agreements are common practice and are made for a variety of reasons. Nobody can get into a person's head to determine why. They are not illegal. The claim by the prosecutor is that a felony was committed to cover up a greater crime. Thus far, we have not been told what that crime is. In the meantime, the Judge has allowed all kinds of things entered into the case as "evidence," which are never allowed. He has also imposed a mostly unconstitutional gag order on the defendant. He is also in violation of a state law which requires him to recuse himself based not only on his own conflict of interest but that of his daughter as well.


Everyone is not as dumb as some Trump supporters.

Everyone is not as dumb as "some" of the morons who watch "morning Joe."

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Expert
5.3  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JohnRussell @5    2 weeks ago
Ever heard of Michael Cohen ? 

That's the "star witness". A man convicted of lying to congress.  That's fucking hilarious.  But it goes right along with the hypocrisy and stupidity of this whole case.

The defense is going to tear him to piece.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
5.3.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @5.3    2 weeks ago

In the meantime, Cohen has been on TikTok slamming Trump and the judge has a gag order on Trump.

To the radical mind that seems fair & legal.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Expert
5.3.2  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.3.1    2 weeks ago
To the radical mind that seems fair & legal

Nobody claimed they were remotely intelligent.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
5.3.3  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @5.3.2    2 weeks ago

These days they seem dumber than ever. 

 
 
 
Gsquared
Professor Principal
5.3.4  Gsquared  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.3.1    2 weeks ago
Cohen has been on TikTok slamming Trump

That's a problem only if you don't believe in the Constitution.

the judge has a gag order on Trump

That's a problem only if you don't believe in the rule of law.

 
 
 
Gsquared
Professor Principal
5.3.5  Gsquared  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @5.3.2    2 weeks ago

Nobody claimed that anyone defending and supporting Trump has a brain in their head.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
5.3.6  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Gsquared @5.3.4    2 weeks ago

You & judge Merchan have both things backwards.

Gag orders are used to protect Defendents. Witnesses don't get to taunt Defendents.

 
 
 
Gsquared
Professor Principal
5.3.7  Gsquared  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.3.6    2 weeks ago

Your knowledge of the law is deficient.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
5.3.8  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.3.6    2 weeks ago
Gag orders are used to protect Defendents. 

You are trying to inform a career attorney (G2) about the law.

As I noted in my earlier reply to you, gag orders are to protect the integrity of the trial.   That often does mean protecting the defendant, but in some cases (like this one) the defendant is the problem.

When a defendant is using his celebrity-based megaphone to intimidate witnesses, jury, court operatives, etc. it is entirely appropriate for a judge to issue a gag order (at the least) to stop the defendant from harming the integrity of the trial.

Witnesses don't get to taunt Defendents.

Private citizen Cohen will likely be under some restrictions once he has testified (and thus has become privy to the inside of the courtroom).   I see nothing that prevents him from presenting his views on Trump (as he has done for many months now) prior to setting foot in the courtroom.    Where do you see his right to free speech limited at this point?

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
5.3.21  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  TᵢG @5.3.8    2 weeks ago

The rest of this thread was removed for no value. 

 
 
 
Ronin2
Professor Quiet
5.3.22  Ronin2  replied to  TᵢG @5.3.8    2 weeks ago

You don't think Cohen isn't affecting the integrity of trial with his attacks against Trump?

Just like the judge isn't affecting the trial by not forcing the jury to be sequestered so they can go home to non stop coverage of the trial by the TDS driven media?

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Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
5.4  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @5    2 weeks ago

What’s the  crime John?

Getting someone to sign an nda is perfectly legal.

Trying to keep unwanted information out of the press is what every campaign since the dawn of time has done.

The FEC says it doesnt  need to be declared as a  campaign contribution

 
 
 
arkpdx
Professor Quiet
5.5  arkpdx  replied to  JohnRussell @5    2 weeks ago
Everyone is not as dumb as some Trump supporters. 

You are right. Some are idiot leftist Biden supporters. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
6  author  Vic Eldred    2 weeks ago

Just in:

The  Biden  administration on Friday morning announced a rule that will allow certain Dreamers to access the ObamaCare marketplace.

Under the rule, active recipients of Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) will be eligible to enroll in a qualified health plan or a basic health plan under the Affordable Care Act (ACA), and some forms of financial assistance.

Biden expands ObamaCare to Dreamers | The Hill

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Expert
6.1  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Vic Eldred @6    2 weeks ago
Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA)

Wasn't that deemed unconstitutional by the SCOTUS?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
6.1.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @6.1    2 weeks ago

Joe Biden doesn't care about the SCOTUS or the constitution. His Obama advisors keep telling him that he has a magical pen & phone.

I don't ever hear the Republicans complain either.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Expert
6.1.2  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1.1    2 weeks ago
I don't ever hear the Republicans complain either.

And that's the pathetic part.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
6.1.3  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @6.1.2    2 weeks ago

Two Governors and a former President is basically all the GOP has.

 
 
 
Snuffy
Professor Participates
6.1.4  Snuffy  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @6.1    2 weeks ago
Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA)
Wasn't that deemed unconstitutional by the SCOTUS?

I don't know if the entire program has gone to SCOTUS yet. Federal judges have repeatedly ruled that DACA is unconstitutional but it keeps getting kicked down the road. 

The Supreme Court could decide within the next year whether to hear a case about the legality of the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) policy.

In September 2023, Judge Andrew Hanen, a federal judge in the U.S. Southern District of Texas, who   issued a ruling   declaring that the DACA program is illegal. While Judge Hanen’s most recent ruling does not impact DACA recipients’ current protections or their ability to continue to renew them, the decision is another cruel and disheartening indication that the courts plan to terminate this vital lifeline for hundreds of thousands of young immigrants and their families.

Judge Hanen’s ruling is not the final step. An appeal of his ruling has been filed, and is being heard by the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals, which also previously ruled against DACA. Assuming the Fifth Circuit rules the same way again, the case will then likely be appealed up to the Supreme Court. The timing of the Fifth Circuit’s decision is unpredictable, however, and the timeline for the Supreme Court to respond to a request to review the case could range from anywhere late 2024 to early 2025; if such a request is granted, the case may not be heard until spring 2025.

DACA Court Case Updates - FWD.us

Various attempts to end DACA have been ruled out by the courts. I expect this latest change by the Biden Administration to be challenged also.

 
 
 
Ronin2
Professor Quiet
6.2  Ronin2  replied to  Vic Eldred @6    2 weeks ago

Democrats, fucking US citizens over at every turn to appease illegals.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
6.2.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Ronin2 @6.2    2 weeks ago

It is called replacement theory. Marxists have written about it and proposed it, but when Conservatives call it exactly what the Marxists call it they are called "racists."

The idea, which we hear right on this site, is that Americans are irremediably evil, and the entire country is no good.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
7  author  Vic Eldred    2 weeks ago

And This:

MSNBC host Al Sharpton compared anti-Israel protests to the events of Jan. 6 on Thursday and said Democrats were losing the "moral high ground" by not calling out the demonstrations on college campuses. 

MSNBC's "Morning Joe" showed footage of police  moving in on UCLA's  anti-Israel encampment, as host Joe Scarborough demanded Democrats speak out against these demonstrations. 

MSNBC's Al Sharpton compares anti-Israel demonstrations to Jan 6: Democrats losing 'moral high ground'

 
 
 
Ronin2
Professor Quiet
7.1  Ronin2  replied to  Vic Eldred @7    2 weeks ago

He is wrong. 

Jan 6th was a one and done day riot. 

These are comparable to the Summer of Love riots- with many of the same people involved.

 
 
 
George
Junior Expert
7.1.1  George  replied to  Ronin2 @7.1    2 weeks ago

What is strange to me is during that time protesters on the left literally fomented insurrection and declared parts of the United States independent zones outside of US control. A literal insurrection! How many of them are in prison?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
7.1.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Ronin2 @7.1    2 weeks ago

That is a very good point.

Well put.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
7.2  Sean Treacy  replied to  Vic Eldred @7    2 weeks ago
Democrats were losing the "moral high ground" by not calling out the demonstrations on college campuses. 

AL Sharpton, unlikely voice of reason...

Of course, democrats lost the high ground decades ago by associating with Al Sharpton and giving him a tv show. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
7.2.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Sean Treacy @7.2    2 weeks ago

How many deaths is Sharpton responsible for?

MSNBC has soiled itself many times, but putting a certified racist on the air was their lowest point.

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
7.2.2  Sparty On  replied to  Vic Eldred @7.2.1    2 weeks ago

Sharpton has no shame.

Never has.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
7.2.3  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Sparty On @7.2.2    2 weeks ago

Notorious for so many racial incidents, but best remembered for the Tawana Brawley hoax.

The Sharpton method: If you can't find racism you create it.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
8  author  Vic Eldred    2 weeks ago

A viral image of a man on the Stanford University campus wearing a headband that looks similar to the  one worn by Hamas terrorist fighters  was taken by two Jewish students concerned the school has not cracked down enough on antisemitic behavior. 

The two friends, who wished to remain anonymous for safety reasons, said they were walking near White Plaza, the center of the northern California campus where anti-Israel protesters have set up an encampment, on Friday when they spotted someone sitting down at a picnic table. 

After moving closer to the unidentified person, they realized the headband he was wearing was the same type worn by members of the Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades, the military wing of Hamas. 

“We were just in shock that somebody could be like that in the middle of our campus,” one of the students told Fox News Digital. “I only went up to take the photo because I was there with my friend.

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Stanford Jewish students on taking photo of man with Hamas headband on campus (nypost.com)


Not all American Jews feel this way. Some are willing to vote for Joe Biden anyway.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
Professor Expert
8.1  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Vic Eldred @8    2 weeks ago

I'll bet the percentages just might change somewhat this time around.  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
8.1.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @8.1    2 weeks ago

Agreed.

I'm counting on those Jewish American students who went unprotected by university administrators.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
9  author  Vic Eldred    2 weeks ago

Racing Prom 2024. Derby Day tomorrow.

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Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
10  author  Vic Eldred    2 weeks ago

Today Joe Biden, in another photo op, will present the Presidential Medal of Freedom to the man who predicted the earth would be gone over a decade ago: Al Gore.

Climate Czar John Kerry will receive one too.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
11  author  Vic Eldred    2 weeks ago

Northwestern University gets its first warning:

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Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
12  author  Vic Eldred    2 weeks ago

"For  Jews in America and around the world , Israel represents a thriving land of survival and opportunity, and not only for my people.

Nowhere else in the Middle East are those of all races, religions, sexes and
sexual orientations welcome to live in peace and prosperity.

Now the dream is dying — thwarted by people who’d like nothing better than to see Israel wiped from the map.

It’s a sad day across the United States and abroad as whiny, privileged college students and thrill-seeking provocateurs, egged on by leftist professors, the “mainstream” news media and numbskull politicians,  foment pro-terrorist, anti-Jewish violence.

They prove, once again, that no place is safe for Jews."

As a Jew, I am terrified about what America has become (nypost.com)


The sad part Andrea is that some American Jews are actually going to vote for it.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
Professor Expert
12.1  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Vic Eldred @12    2 weeks ago
They prove, once again, that no place is safe for Jews."

Partition and the UN declaration causing the rebirth of The State of Israel was supposed to be the one totally safe place in the world for Jews.  In my memory I can still hear the song as sung by the Jews in the Nazi concentration camps, slated to be gassed, shot, and cremated.  It was sung in Hebrew, and the first line of the song was its title: "Vi a hindt solech gayen?" (Tell me where can I go?).

Tell me, where can I go?
There's no place I can see.
Where to go, where to go?
Every door is closed to me.
To the left, to the right,
It's the same in every land.
There is nowhere to go
And it's me who should know,
Won't you please understand?
.
But a few years after WW2 ended the rebirth of The State of Israel led to this verse being added to the song:
.
Now I know where to go
Where my folks proudly stand.
Let me go, let me go
To that precious promised land.
No more left no more right.
Lift your head and see the light.
I am proud, can't you see,
For at last I am free;
No more wandering for me.
.
Wishful thinking, and here's why:
.
Because of Syria that has never ended its war against Israel, and Iran and its proxies such as Hezbollah, Hamas and the Houthies, along with many of the Palestinians, Israel still is not entirely safe for Jews.  The biggest antisemitic organization in the world and most of its members, the United Nations, and its UNRWA as well will never end its hatred, its multiple resolutions against Israel, and now university students around the world, touched off by the ones in America, cheer on the antisemitic call for the destruction of the State of Israel, the murder of the Jews, with their call "From the river to the sea" and glorify terrorism.  No, I fear that Jews are not even safe in Israel, they have never been safe and they never will be safe anywhere.  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
12.1.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @12.1    2 weeks ago

It is way out of hand right now, and I don't think it has ever been this bad worldwide. (I include the 1930s)


As far as the way Joe Biden has attempted to force Netanyahu to do what the US wants, it is not the first time Biden has done it.

Senator Biden did it as well:

On June 22 1982, Joe Biden was a Senator from Delaware and confronted then Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin during his Senate Foreign Relations committee testimony, threatening to cut off aid to Israel.

Begin forcefully responded, “Don’t threaten us with cutting off your aid. It will not work. I am not a Jew with trembling knees. I am a proud Jew with 3,700 years of civilized history. Nobody came to our aid when we were dying in the gas chambers and ovens. Nobody came to our aid when we were striving to create our country. We paid for it. We fought for it. We died for it. We will stand by our principles. We will defend them. And, when necessary, we will die for them again, with or without your aid.”

Menachem Begin To Joe Biden: I Am Not A Jew With Trembling Knees | The Jewish Press - JewishPress.com | Ronn Torossian | 14 Nisan 5775 – Friday, April 3, 2015 | JewishPress.com

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
Professor Expert
12.1.2  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Vic Eldred @12.1.1    2 weeks ago

Begin made every Jew proud.  Biden waved his finger at him then, and he's waving his finger at Netanyahu now.  Judging from Netanyahu's response he's telling Biden to shove it up his ass now just like Begin told him years ago.  

But Netanyahu did what Biden wanted, he offered Hamas the sun, the moon and the stars, and what do you think Hamas did with that?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
12.1.3  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @12.1.2    2 weeks ago

Hamas, as usual, wants one more concession:

The complete surrender of the IDF.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Expert
12.1.4  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Vic Eldred @12.1.3    2 weeks ago

That's fucking hilarious.  The dipshits who attacked another country and is now getting their asses handed to them demand the surrender of the country they attacked.

You can't make up this level of outright stupidity.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
12.1.5  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @12.1.4    2 weeks ago

I think they are taking their cue from the International Court of Justice. Have you been following them? 

They are threatening everyone including members of the US Senate.

Why are Israel’s leaders worried about international courts? (ft.com)

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
Professor Expert
12.1.6  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @12.1.4    2 weeks ago
"You can't make up this level of outright stupidity."

Oh yes you can.  The protesters have exceeded all expectations in that regard. 

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Expert
12.1.7  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @12.1.6    2 weeks ago

Good point.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
Professor Expert
12.1.8  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Vic Eldred @12.1.5    2 weeks ago

Maybe the courteous thing for you to do is copy and paste what you linked that forces people to pay to read.

"Why are Israel’s leaders worried about international courts?   Subscribe to unlock this article"
 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
12.1.9  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @12.1.8    2 weeks ago
"Why are Israel’s leaders worried about international courts? 

Good idea:



Israeli officials have in recent days begun expressing fears that the International Criminal Court could issue arrest warrants against senior Israeli political and military figures, as the war between the Jewish state and Hamas in Gaza approaches its eighth month.

The ICC has not confirmed the Israeli claims, saying that while it has an “ongoing, independent investigation in relation to the situation in the state of Palestine”, which dates from 2021, it would not “give a running commentary” or respond to “speculation in media reports”.

Given a lack of confirmation — and the relatively slow pace at which the ICC has moved in other cases — there has been speculation in the Israeli media that the hand-wringing stems from political calculations by the country’s leaders who are under mounting pressure at home and abroad, rather than legal peril. But the claims have drawn renewed attention to the potential for legal actions over the Gaza war, which has already triggered a separate, high-profile case at the International Court of Justice.

Why is the ICC scrutinizing the war in Gaza? The ICC was set up in 2002 and has the power to prosecute individuals for crimes against humanity, genocide and war crimes. Its jurisdiction covers crimes committed on the territories of, and by the citizens of, the 124 states that have signed up to its statute. Palestine acceded to the statute in 2015, but Israel has not, and as such does not recognise the court’s jurisdiction.

However, after years of legal wrangling, the ICC determined that it did have jurisdiction over events in the Palestinian territories, and in 2021 opened an investigation into the “Situation in the State of Palestine”. The investigation’s initial remit included probing both alleged crimes committed during and since a previous war between Israel and Hamas in 2014, and Israel’s promotion of Jewish settlements in the occupied West Bank, which Palestinians seek as the heart of a future state. However, the court’s prosecutor, Karim Khan, confirmed in November that the investigation would also encompass the current war, which was triggered by Hamas’s surprise attack on Israel on October 7. ICC prosecutors are not only investigating allegations of war crimes by Israel, but also by Hamas and other militant groups active in those territories.



What could be the grounds for ICC arrest warrants?

Sheila Paylan, an expert on international law and human rights, said that if the ICC issued warrants against Israeli officials for events since October 7, they were likely to relate to the restrictions Israel imposed on humanitarian aid entering Gaza, and the indiscriminate killing of civilians. In the early days of the war, Israeli officials pledged to impose a “siege” on Gaza. But more recently, they have insisted they are not imposing any limits on the amount of aid entering the enclave. They also deny indiscriminately killing civilians.

However, humanitarian organizations say the amount of aid entering Gaza is a fraction of what is needed, and Palestinian officials say the majority of the more than 34,000 people killed by Israel in Gaza have been women and children. Palestinian lawyers who have given evidence to the court said any arrest warrants were most likely to be issued in order to facilitate the court’s investigations. For instance, having collected evidence from Palestinians on various alleged war crimes, the prosecutors would formally ask for Israeli officials to provide their own evidence on the issue.

Were Israel to deny that request, the court is empowered to seek their detention in order to satisfy its remit to fully investigate the alleged crimes. Paylan said she expected that any warrants issued by the court would also target Hamas involved in the October 7 attack, during which militants killed 1,200 people and took 250 hostages, according to Israeli officials.


What would the implications of ICC arrest warrants be for Israeli officials? Israeli officials subject to ICC arrest warrants would, in effect, be limited from travelling to any of the 124 countries that have signed the court’s statute, as these states would be obliged to arrest them and hand them over to the court.

Those countries include the UK, most European and Latin American countries, as well as numerous states in Africa and Asia. However, as the ICC has no enforcement mechanism of its own, it is reliant on member states to take action — and this does not always happen. In 2015, South Africa refused to arrest Sudanese leader Omar al-Bashir when he visited the country, even though he was subject to an ICC warrant. Legal experts said that beyond the direct impact of any arrest warrants, the very fact that the ICC had issued them could also have knock-on effects, such as making other countries less willing to supply Israel with weapons, or more prepared to impose sanctions of their own. “It could be a reason why other countries might want to impose sanctions, but it’s not a necessary consequence,” said Paylan.


What other legal challenges is Israel facing? The International Court of Justice — the UN’s top court, which deals with cases against countries, rather than against individuals — is already hearing a separate case brought by South Africa accusing Israel of committing genocide against Palestinians in Gaza.

Israel has vehemently denied the accusation, and the court is unlikely to reach a final decision on the merits of the case for years. However, it has imposed a series of interim orders on Israel, including ordering it in March to ensure that more food and humanitarian assistance reach Palestinians in Gaza, warning that famine was “setting in” in the enclave. Outside the courtroom, Israel is also facing challenges. Under a memorandum issued by US President Joe Biden earlier this year, secretary of state Antony Blinken must inform Congress by May 8 whether Israel’s claims that it is not using US weapons in contravention of international law are credible. If he finds that they are not, the administration could theoretically suspend future weapons transfers. Are the legal challenges likely to make Israel change tack?

Israeli leaders are adamant that the ICC will not affect how they are waging the war in Gaza. Even as he expressed fears on Sunday that arrest warrants were possible, foreign minister Israel Katz said Israel would not “bow our heads or be deterred”, vowing that the country would “continue to fight” until it had destroyed Hamas and secured the release of the roughly 130 hostages that Hamas is still thought to be holding in Gaza.

Chimène Keitner, professor of international law at the University of California Davis School of Law, said that while ICC arrest warrants could serve as “an impetus for domestic courts to start being more active”, she did not expect this to happen in Israel so long as Israeli hostages were still being held in Gaza, and while the current government was in power.

Additional reporting by Andy Bounds in Brussels.

Why are Israel’s leaders worried about international courts? (ft.com)

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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12.1.10  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Vic Eldred @12.1.9    2 weeks ago

Thank you.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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13  author  Vic Eldred    2 weeks ago

The latest on the "Trump trial"

"Trump appeared please during his lawyer's cross-examination of custodial witness Douglas Daus, in which Daus acknowledged there were gaps in the handling of the data on Michael Cohen's iPhone that could create a risk of tampering. Trump nodded at his attorney Emil Bove and conversed with him when Bove sat down."

Trump trial live updates: Prosecutors call longtime Trump aide Hope Hicks (msn.com)

Yup, Trump was awake once he heard that!

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Jeremy Retired in NC
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14.1  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Greg Jones @14    2 weeks ago

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Vic Eldred
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Vic Eldred
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16  author  Vic Eldred    2 weeks ago

It got nasty out there yesterday:

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17  Ronin2    2 weeks ago

You don't think Cohen isn't affecting the integrity of trial with his attacks against Trump?

Just like the judge isn't affecting the trial by not forcing the jury to be sequestered so they can go home to non stop coverage of the trial by the TDS driven media?

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